2023 Coaching Carousel
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- Ernie Calverley
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Would you rather have Dave Cox who was on no ones list?
This is part of the deal when you hire a good high profile coach.
If you remember we did the same dance with Dan every year - Rutgers, St John’s, etc.
This is part of the deal when you hire a good high profile coach.
If you remember we did the same dance with Dan every year - Rutgers, St John’s, etc.
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- Carlton Owens
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So, do you think Archie would bite? Or is he committed here, for now...?
Mobley was fouled.
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Never say never. If someone wiggles 3 or more million under his nose… but I don’t think it’s likely. The recent crappy season turns into a plus.
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Re: 2023 Coaching Carousel
Leaving after one year would be kind of hilarious (like in a sad, everything sucks kinda way). It would take some heat off his buddy Cooley for a few days at least...
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LSU Football moved Brian Polian into a GM type role to oversee the portal. I think this is a position we will see pop up more in CFB and then make its way to CBB.theblueram wrote: ↑1 year ago I still believe CBB is going to a GM type setup. The players are brought in by executives, and the coach deals with them. If the coach can't they get fired.
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- Ernie Calverley
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Lol no.
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Cooley built his own brand, “used” PC along the way that those brands were melded together to a point of brand success, couple that with the weight of the BE brand and bingo! I can’t fault Cooley for anything, he had an opportunity to reward himself. I have no beef with any of it, even the scummy and slimy way it all took place. Out
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I’m watching the Cooley presser right now YouTube 38 minute listen
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- Sly Williams
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Link? According to PC fans on twitter, it's essentially a copy/paste of his intro presser at PC 12 years ago.
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”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
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Just go to you tube and in the search area put in Ed cooley Georgetown press conference and it will show upsteviep123 wrote: ↑1 year agoLink? According to PC fans on twitter, it's essentially a copy/paste of his intro presser at PC 12 years ago.
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Re: 2023 Coaching Carousel
Is it possible Penn State would bring back Keith Urgo and leave Fordham high and dry- again. Wasn’t Urgo an assistant there for so,etching like 8 years?
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I dont think it would draw as much ire
Just usher in a hopeless reality as our program would then be thrust into a college basketball black hole
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Yeah he prob gets a phone call at the very least.
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Makes a lot of sense I didn’t realize Urgo was an assistant there
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and perfect underwhelmingness
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Landscaping could use a little work. The arborvitaes in front look like the deer have made lollipops out of them and the back yard is nearly entirely concrete pavers. If Archie gets the house, he should give me a call. I'll get that thing looking like an oasis .
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If Archie ever left after 1 season, I’d be all done with with coaches. F’em all.
Go hire a freakin’ tech nerd and go full AI for selecting players, selecting best lineup’s, scouting, game plans, in game decisions, etc. and tell all the coaches to go pound sand and put their salaries towards NIL.
Is Elon Musk a cbb fan? Could be another revenue stream for him.
Just kidding.
Go hire a freakin’ tech nerd and go full AI for selecting players, selecting best lineup’s, scouting, game plans, in game decisions, etc. and tell all the coaches to go pound sand and put their salaries towards NIL.
Is Elon Musk a cbb fan? Could be another revenue stream for him.
Just kidding.
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Rhoades is the right choice for Penn St
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Deer have done a job on my ornamentals this year.
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Interesting take. MLB has been going down this path a bit.Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year ago If Archie ever left after 1 season, I’d be all done with with coaches. F’em all.
Go hire a freakin’ tech nerd and go full AI for selecting players, selecting best lineup’s, scouting, game plans, in game decisions, etc. and tell all the coaches to go pound sand and put their salaries towards NIL.
Is Elon Musk a cbb fan? Could be another revenue stream for him.
Just kidding.
We're gonna run the picket fence at "em.....now boys don't get caught watchin' the paint dry!
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Apologies if this was already posted:
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”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
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And the house can use a lot of work
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More details on the deal here. Seems like they didn't want to announce on the same day as the Cooley presser.
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- Ernie Calverley
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Despite what Friar fans have recently thought, the last few days have shown that Providence College is indeed still a stepping stone coaching job. Furthermore, it is not a super attractive position that will automatically generate big interest from already successful coaches. While the program has some positive attributes, it cannot just literally hire anybody it wants.
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- Carlton Owens
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GTown hiring Cooley opens many wounds at PC as they desperately want to be seen as equals to schools like BC, Villanova and G-town. This just reminds them they are not.
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Honestly, almost all schools except the Bluest of the Blues are stepping stones to a certain extent. Years ago, Tubby Smith left Georgia for Kentucky. Roy Williams left Kansas for UNC (which was rare and had a personal connection there).RF1 wrote: ↑1 year ago Despite what Friar fans have recently thought, the last few days have shown that Providence College is indeed a stepping stone coaching job. Furthermore, it is not a super attractive position that will automatically generate big interest from already successful coaches. While the program has some positive attributes, it cannot just hire anybody it wants.
That said, while I do agree that most schools are a stepping stone, there are some that will take a special confluence of events to make that sort of change happening.
All that said, in addition, when has Providence ever hired anyone that wasn't considered up and coming? Maybe they didn't get the interest they wanted or maybe it's by design. Look at their history. With the exception of Gordie Chiesa who was an assistant on Pitino's staff, they've hard a head coach that was considered up and coming: Pitino, Gillan, Welsh, Davis, Cooley, now English.
Bleed Keaney Blue!
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Penn State Candidates
Penn State student newspaper on 7 possible replacements:
Matt Langel
Keith Urgo (Fordham)
Dusty May
Mike Rhoades (VCU)
Adam Fisher (PSU asst)
Norm Roberts
Jay Wright
7 potential coaches who could take over for Micah Shrewsberry and lead Penn State basketball
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/me ... 1c8a0.html
Matt Langel
Keith Urgo (Fordham)
Dusty May
Mike Rhoades (VCU)
Adam Fisher (PSU asst)
Norm Roberts
Jay Wright
7 potential coaches who could take over for Micah Shrewsberry and lead Penn State basketball
https://www.collegian.psu.edu/sports/me ... 1c8a0.html
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Jay Wright. Lol
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- Ernie Calverley
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He's gonna get brought up for the majority of P6 jobs when they open up.
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- Sly Williams
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Red, if I knew Archie personally, I’d warn him to stay away from that house; could be bad juju.ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 year ago
And the house can use a lot of work
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I can't see him being back in coaching in the next year or so. Maybe he gets the itch again and misses it, but I think he's great on TV for the moment!
Bleed Keaney Blue!
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”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
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- Frank Keaney
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Agree Stevie , he’s really good on TVsteviep123 wrote: ↑1 year agoI can't see him being back in coaching in the next year or so. Maybe he gets the itch again and misses it, but I think he's great on TV for the moment!
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Ehh, Idk about that. I think it does matter. If Archie were here for 4-5 years and had success, I would be more worried than I am now. Archie made it clear his decision to come to Rhody wasn't just about basketball. The pressure of Big10 caused a lot of stress on him and his family. Obviously Penn State is not Indiana, but putting him back into a conference that was a nightmare for him doesn't seem like the right move.. Not this fast... I would be shocked if he seriously considered this. He committed to Thorr and our program, and I don't think he's the type of person that would bail after one year.Rhody15 wrote: ↑1 year agoIt’s irrelevant how long he’s been here.Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 year agoI say that not because of this season, but we just hired this guy, who has barely wet his beak and is already on other lists?? How do we start a culture with this happening every season?
Maybe I'm wrong.
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- Sly Williams
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I mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.
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Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 year agoRed, if I knew Archie personally, I’d warn him to stay away from that house; could be bad juju.
Does the home disclosure include mention of the previous bathroom fire? Was a fire sprinkler system later installed for safety to guard against the dangers of lighting candles for religious ceremonies?
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Agree with SG , why you you put B.C. with Nova and Gtown ??SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year agoI mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.
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Would be a totally idiotic move for him.
Penn State is about as shitty a P5 gig out there.
Hot take
VCU is clearly a better job than Penn State
Dayton is a better job than Penn State
Even Rhody, if it is rolling, is a better job than Penn State.
All they have going for them is that they're in the Big Ten and money.
Otherwise it's just another stepping stone job.
Mike Rhoades being great at VCU will give him the exact same big time offers he'd get going .500 at best in Big Ten play at Penn State.
So his choice is either, stay in the A-10, continue win a lot of games with much of your team returning next year. And they care a lot about basketball.
Or rebuild Penn State and maybe reach .500 again against ten schools superior to you and three others that you are equal to. And they don't give two shits about basketball at Penn State.
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Gotta say: Archie hasn't had a winning conference record in 5 years. Not exactly a hot resume.
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I’m not talking just basketball…overall institution.SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year agoI mean, BC has been awful for about a decade now. I think PC is clearly a better job than that, even if BC is in the ACC.
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Kim English may turn out great. But I don't get being all in on Rick Barnes word. Not that a coaching tree is tell all, but for a guy that's won 800 games this is about as weak of a tree as you can have. And Herb Sendek, who had at least moderate success started with Rick Pitino
"Rick Barnes Coaching Tree
Kim English (George Mason)
Dennis Felton (Cleveland State, Georgia, Western Kentucky)
Fran Fraschilla (New Mexico, St. John’s, Manhattan)
Frank Haith (Tulsa, Missouri, Miami FL)
Rob Lanier (SMU, Georgia State, Siena)
Ken McDonald (Western Kentucky)
Chris Ogden (Texas-Arlington)
Desmond Oliver (East Tennessee State)
Michael Schwartz (East Carolina)
Tres Segler (Eastern New Mexico)
Herb Sendek (Santa Clara, Arizona State, NC State, Miami OH)
Larry Shyatt (Wyoming, Clemson)
Ricky Stokes (East Carolina, Virginia Tech)"
"Rick Barnes Coaching Tree
Kim English (George Mason)
Dennis Felton (Cleveland State, Georgia, Western Kentucky)
Fran Fraschilla (New Mexico, St. John’s, Manhattan)
Frank Haith (Tulsa, Missouri, Miami FL)
Rob Lanier (SMU, Georgia State, Siena)
Ken McDonald (Western Kentucky)
Chris Ogden (Texas-Arlington)
Desmond Oliver (East Tennessee State)
Michael Schwartz (East Carolina)
Tres Segler (Eastern New Mexico)
Herb Sendek (Santa Clara, Arizona State, NC State, Miami OH)
Larry Shyatt (Wyoming, Clemson)
Ricky Stokes (East Carolina, Virginia Tech)"
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This is a crucial moment for this team with all of this roster in flux. I think that is the only reason there is any worry at the moment. If this was a fairly stable situation like when Hurley left with just players graduating (not much you can do about that), then I doubt there would be a lot of worry, the worry would be in the University itself making another good choice.
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Wow Gio that’s a pretty weak tree indeedgiovanni wrote: ↑1 year ago Kim English may turn out great. But I don't get being all in on Rick Barnes word. Not that a coaching tree is tell all, but for a guy that's won 800 games this is about as weak of a tree as you can have. And Herb Sendek, who had at least moderate success started with Rick Pitino
"Rick Barnes Coaching Tree
Kim English (George Mason)
Dennis Felton (Cleveland State, Georgia, Western Kentucky)
Fran Fraschilla (New Mexico, St. John’s, Manhattan)
Frank Haith (Tulsa, Missouri, Miami FL)
Rob Lanier (SMU, Georgia State, Siena)
Ken McDonald (Western Kentucky)
Chris Ogden (Texas-Arlington)
Desmond Oliver (East Tennessee State)
Michael Schwartz (East Carolina)
Tres Segler (Eastern New Mexico)
Herb Sendek (Santa Clara, Arizona State, NC State, Miami OH)
Larry Shyatt (Wyoming, Clemson)
Ricky Stokes (East Carolina, Virginia Tech)"
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- Ernie Calverley
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URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……
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Not right nowsection(105) wrote: ↑1 year ago URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……
But
Peak Rhody is about the same as peak Penn State
Only at Rhody you don't have to be at a school where basketball is second and you can basically do no better than .500 in Big Ten play and maybe win a game in the tournament.
Dan was great at URI then left for UConn
Shrewsberry got Penn State good and immediately left for Notre Dame.
It's basically the same thing and I would argue Rhody is better because we are a basketball school and it's more fun to dominate a conference than be an average team in the conference.
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Since 1965, URI has been to 9 NCAAT against 6 for PSU. Record in tournament, URI is 8-9, PSU is 4-6. PSU has 1 Sweet 16, URI had a Sweet 16 and Elite 8.section(105) wrote: ↑1 year ago URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……
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When URI mbb is down, it's still a bb school first.
Penn State is such a Football (and Wrestling) school that when the bb team is down, it's little more than an annoyance to them. Something they have to field for the sake of their conference alignment. There are soo many other bb schools in the state of Pennsylvania to choose from for in state recruits, not to mention the rest of the East Coast recruiting them.
Penn State is such a Football (and Wrestling) school that when the bb team is down, it's little more than an annoyance to them. Something they have to field for the sake of their conference alignment. There are soo many other bb schools in the state of Pennsylvania to choose from for in state recruits, not to mention the rest of the East Coast recruiting them.
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Yep!section(105) wrote: ↑1 year ago URI better hoops job than Penn State? Let me run that along my cheek and guns……
On the surface you see
Penn State and Big Ten
But then you look deeper and there's nothing all that attractive about it.
Why go to Penn State where football is king and you haven't been relevant in basketball since the 1950's? Go to a conference where there are 10 teams that have vastly superior programs and three that you are at best equal to on the basketball court. It's an incredibly difficult job and anyone who has success there (which is almost nobody ever) immediately leaves for the same kind of job you would get if you were successful at Rhody.
At Rhody, basketball is king, you can win your conference consistently and actually win far more games. Penn State has hardly ever even passed .500 in conference play.
Penn State is a very meh job.