Matthews Showing Up in NBA Mock Drafts; URI Pro Potential

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

Yea the tournament will be fun this year. Lots of good players/teams.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 9 years ago

BPR2010 wrote:FWIW, Duke has 3 of the best wins in the nation. Won at Wisconsin, at Louisville, and at Virginia. Say what you want about their bad losses, but those are impressive wins that no other team can boast on the road this year. And yes, I'm a Duke hater.

Also SW, just throwing names out there. Plenty of good PG's out there, Paige and Taylor are certainly up there too. Taylor also missed about a month with a wrist injury this year.

Yeah, point taken on Duke, they are a top 10 team for sure. It just looks funny when a team is higher ranked nationally then in their own conference.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 9 years ago

I hate dem friars.....but Dunn is more NBA ready than Elbert....with his loss of time due to injury I see him going pro if he knows he can get guaranteed money and a roster spot..

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 9 years ago

Dan and Ed are actually pretty close. Work out at the same gym. No one understands the job of running a program in the state better than those two.

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 9 years ago

Running Ram wrote:Even with Dunn PC isn't going to beat us next year.

But about Dunn, I agree with those who recognize his talents here, he is exceptional and finally living up to his billing, he is also really the only guard that did whatever he wanted against our mighty defense this year, that should tell you something right there.

Weren't you supposed to kick our ass this year?

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

Latest NBADraft.com now had EC back in the 2016 Draft.
He is listed at going #15 in the first round to Miami
Of the guys listed ahead of him:
- 7 are currently in High School
- 6 are currently Freshmen in College
- 1 is International from Croatia
- So EC is the highest level Class of the first 15 Picks
- EC is also the first PG/SG listed to go, in fact no PG listed ahead of him
- NBA Drafts have changed markedly over the past 5 years. Kids tend to go closer to when eligible, then labor in the NBA Development League

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 9 years ago

I don't think he is ready. But most draftees aren't. It's on the job training now for 19-year-olds.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

Latest NBADraft.net from Feb 19th:
EC moves up to #14 to Oklahoma City in 2016 Draft. Dunn moves up to #26 to Houston
Comparison:
Dunn - EC
Height 6'3" - 6'5"
Weight 205 - 190
Birthdate March 18, 1994 - October 3, 1995
Age 21 - 19 years 5 months (Dunn 1 year 7 months older than EC)
Minutes per game 33.5 - 32.6
%FG 49.1 - 41.8
%3FG 33.9 - 33.3
%FT 68.3 - 72.7
Rebounds 5.7 - 4.4
Assists 7.4 - 2.0
Blocks .3 - .6
Steals 2.8 - .7
Turnovers 4.2 - 3.9
Points per Game 15.6 - 16.3
Turnovers Total 110 - 89

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 9 years ago

That's shocking to me. He doesn't look NBA ready yet. Not to say that he won't get there, I believe he will - but he's certainly not a first rounder right now, and not a PG. You always worry about what these predictions do to kid's heads.

He's got very good people around him though. EC is definitely here next year, wouldn't shock me if he was a 4 year player unless he EXPLODES next year with a deep NCAA run.

I don't think anyone would mind an early exit from him if we wound up sweet 16 or further next season.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 9 years ago

Any ranking that has EC ahead of Kris Dunn is automatically suspect in my opinion......and everyone knows how much I dislike the majority of friar fans so it is hard for me to concede that Dunn is the more ready pro player....and he is having a better season....

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Dunn is hands down the better player, and clearly one of the
best in the country.
He disrupts the game on both ends of the floor.
He's 10 times the defender that EC is and a far better athlete.
EC as a 1st rounder? Based on what?
He's a nice, but flawed college player, who should improve, and
maybe by the end of his senior year, be worthy
of the NBA hype, which I think, has hurt him this season.
I'm glad he's a Ram, but let's temper the two and done or three and done
talk.
As I said in another thread, do some research on his turnovers.
He averaged 3.5 a game before his injury and had four games with 5
turnovers.
It's not the injury, folks.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

Be careful, Rod. Or your overall comments won't be seen as supportive. lol

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Well, you have three pretty bona fide Ram followers
in a row, saying the same thing.
Only Ramster seems intent on pushing this first rounder next year,
and better than Dunn palaver.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

Blue Man,
I just read one Mock Draft that has Dunn going #19 first round this year.
Many NBA Scouts are going to PC and URI games to watch these two guys.

Much has changed with the NBA. First and foremost was the formation of the NBA Development League in 2001-2002. They started with 8 teams and now have 18 teams.
Teams play 50 game season with Quarter, Semi and Final Playoffs - so many more games than Colleges in Regular Season.
NBA Teams instruct their minor league coaching staffs and players themselves specifically on what they have to work on.
Unfortunately it is the NBA Big Money that is hurting the College game - kids leaving much earlier than they used to.

Here EC is shown going 14th in 2016.
Ahead of him right now are 7 kids still in High School, 5 currently Freshmen in College and 1 International Player - so EC is the furthest along of the top 14 players.

I still think that EC goes after this year. The only person who ever agreed with me on that was SlyWilliamsCaddy (SWC) for whatever that is worth.

But the reasons I see him going:
- Kids go much earlier now - it is not the NBA Draft 0f 20, 10 or even 3 years ago
- The NBADL is growing and is becoming basically the minor league for the NBA - just like AAA, AA and A are for Major League Baseball
- Money in hand, contract in hand - guaranteed for first rounders
- NBADL is more suited for EC's style than the slow paced, zone defense college game that we are seeing
- EC is at his best in the wide open, running and fast paced game of the NBA
- EC stood out among the top players in the Adidas Event last summer

But bottom line it all depends on what it appears NBA teams are thinking. If he can go first round he probably should go. If he is in the second round he probably should stay. But those conversations will take place between EC and Dan Hurley and I believe Hurley will carefully guide EC just as he has throughout his College Career.

But the one thing I agree with SlyWilliamsCaddy on is to enjoy every game EC plays this season because it could be his last - you never know.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Cut the baloney, PLEASE!
How can anyone in his right mind think EC is NBA ready now?
He's not even the best player on his team.
Take off the EC colored glasses and get back to reality.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:How can anyone in his right mind think EC is NBA ready now?

Maybe that person has not watched any games this year?

I really do like EC a ton and it is stupid that we have to have this conversation where injecting a dose of reality is somehow seen as negative. I do personally believe EC will play in the NBA. But not next year. It just seems to me that we have so many good things we could be talking about right now instead of arguing about whether EC is an NBA player right now.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

So why are NBA Scouts are at every game?
Comparing stats he is very close to Dunn. Both will get to the NBA in my opinion - they both could have successful NBA careers.
To me it's just a matter of whether EC goes this eyar or next year.
To you Rod do you think that EC can ever make the NBA are you saying he is not NBA worthy now or ever?

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 9 years ago

EC leaving early will not be great career decision, at this point he would more likely be a Ricky Ledo story of going for the bright NBA lights and being drooped into ........than making it solidly......hopefully he/ll get some good counseling by our coaching staff......his game and his body are just not there.....yet..... Room to grow the weak points of his game......sure.....let's see that first before the NBA stuff gets serious.....

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

Sorry I don't worship at the altar you've created for EC.
I like him, and I'm very happy he's our player.
Last year, he had the luxury of coming along at his pace,
with Munford bearing the brunt of the offensive responsibilities.
Now, he's "the man", and the results are spotty.
He's had great games and not so great games. He's only 19,
so that's to be expected.
Nobody survives as a guard in the NBA without a handle.
Only you seem to be in denial, that he's a turnover machine,
who needs a lot of work on his ball handling skills.
We heard from him, how he was working on his right hand during the off season.
Does anyone see the fruits of that work?
To be a 1st rounder in the NBA means this has to be solved. Period.
As Red Aurebach used to say,
"Everyone in the NBA can shoot. It's the other things that make the difference".
EC is not a good defensive player. Not a good ball handler.
Shoots and rebounds well.
Look at Ricky Ledo. He was a can't miss, who missed big.
There's a world of guys who went early and were undrafted.
I don't want to see that happen to EC Matthews, because of some
list or wishful thinking.
As for the NBA scouts, how do you know they're not watching Hassan Martin of Jared Terrell?

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 9 years ago

If we're talking about players being drafted purely on potential, why aren't we talking about Hassan Martin leaving after this year?

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 9 years ago

This discussion of EC's current pro potential is harmful to EC and the URI basketball program. We are taking a positive that he is being considered an NBA prospect and turning it into a negative that he's not now a first round pick. EC is a very good young basketball player with tremendous upside potential. Confidence is important to his development. There is nothing wrong in seeing where you are and what you need to make it on the next level. All players have strengths and weaknesses.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

If I created an alter for EC then so be it. But the guy gets criticized very often. Same criticism over and over again. I'm not denying the turnovers - but he is also injured which rarely gets said - none of us know the extent of this.

I don't know if they are not there watching Martin or Terrell.

But to my question
To you Rod do you think that EC can ever make the NBA are you saying he is not NBA worthy now or never NBA worthy?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

I thought I was pretty clear in my last post.
He needs work to get there.
He's not a finished product, NOW.
If he can get his handle down, and his ability to not
always go to his left, yes, he can play in the NBA.
I just think he has a ways to go before he's a lock.
He's only 19 years old. Let him breathe, develop, and enjoy
his time here.

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 9 years ago

I'll buy that
Especially let him enjoy his time here

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 9 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:If we're talking about players being drafted purely on potential, why aren't we talking about Hassan Martin leaving after this year?

He doesn't have NBA size for his current role. He needs to develop a consistent 15-footer (which I noticed he's taking more of lately).

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

In the latest ESPN rankings, which I trust a bit more than Random NBA Draft Named Website Dot Com, Matthews has slipped from the 60s to 71. With his recent run of strong play, Dunn has shot up to 38, and No. 8 point guard. Given how they've both played over the past couple of weeks, this aligns to reality with me.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

Rhody74 wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:If we're talking about players being drafted purely on potential, why aren't we talking about Hassan Martin leaving after this year?
He doesn't have NBA size for his current role. He needs to develop a consistent 15-footer (which I noticed he's taking more of lately).

I agree with this. I think Martin could be one of those energy big men for a while in the NBA, given his rebounding and defense, even if he doesn't have the proper height to play the 4/5 in the NBA. However, you don't usually take those guys with a first round pick - It's usually a second round selection or post-draft signing.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Be careful, Rod. Or your overall comments won't be seen as supportive. lol

EC...

For real what is up with EC's handle...

Great performance overall but wow that sequence by EC may have been the worst ball handling under pressure I've seen from a guard in some time.

only negative for this game is the yet again awful ball handling by ec

If EC sat out the game we would have won by 25

It's unbelievable how many horrible turnovers EC commits. About 90 percent of the time when he's dribbling

EC has 7 TO's

C'mon- can we agree that this was perhaps a bit much when they were in the process of and had just wrapped up the best win of the season? I get that the highest profile player on a team will often take the brunt of the criticism. It's pretty standard across sports, professional or not. We all the want the best for him, both personally and for the team.

Add in appreciate what he can do, and this is the way I view it all:

rodfromcranston wrote: He's only 19 years old. Let him breathe, develop, and enjoy his time here.

As I wrote this, it occurred to me that it's nice to have a continually shifting best win of the season. Besides all that, Matthews and Martin are the stars that bought in before they even really had a reason to, that committed before Hurley had even coached a single game for Rhode Island. It's kind of satisfying to look back and see that their trust's been rewarded.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

SGreenwell wrote:
Rhody74 wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:If we're talking about players being drafted purely on potential, why aren't we talking about Hassan Martin leaving after this year?
He doesn't have NBA size for his current role. He needs to develop a consistent 15-footer (which I noticed he's taking more of lately).
I agree with this. I think Martin could be one of those energy big men for a while in the NBA, given his rebounding and defense, even if he doesn't have the proper height to play the 4/5 in the NBA. However, you don't usually take those guys with a first round pick - It's usually a second round selection or post-draft signing.

DeJuan Blair is an example of a great college player that slipped into the second round because of height concerns, but has had a pretty good NBA career - didn't become a star, but has had a role on some quality teams. They are obviously different players. Both are 6'7", but Blair was much bigger and a rebounding machine, while Hassan is leaner but more athletic and a better defensive player. I don't necessarily think Hass would be some team's DeJuan Blair, but he could fill that type of role.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 9 years ago

No quotes from me??? sheesh.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

Ace, when you string those things together with no context it makes it seem like everyone is just constantly ripping the kid nonstop. You've picked out 7 posts out of a thread with 500 posts in it to make it seem like people were just banging on EC and not enjoying the win or were somehow being negative overall. If you go back and read the thread, that just isn't the case.

I'm not sure what the expectation is here in terms of what people want to be allowed to talk about. Nobody is taking personal shots at anyone, it is just basketball talk during a basketball game. I'm sure if you asked everyone that made one of those posts (which includes yours truly) whether they would trade EC for another SG in the conference, most of us would say hell no. But in the course of the game and the heat of the moment, if one guy keep making plays that look like the NBA players in Space Jam after the Monstars stole their basketball ability, I think it is defensible to react to it. Especially when you know that guy is an excellent player, that only makes it more frustrating.

I respect and appreciate the instinct to defend our players no matter what (and I have definitely been accused of that here, too), but we have to be able to comment on the game honestly as long as we are not ripping kids unfairly or being personal with the criticism.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

My point is what I said it was initially, nothing more- my reaction to a section of a single page in a thread.

Go look at the thread, first part of page 7 about the UMASS game. It's almost funny.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

ace wrote:My point is what I said it was initially, nothing more- my reaction to a single page in a thread.

Go look at the thread, first part of page 7. It's almost funny.

Understood, but you get that that was multiple posters reacting either to one play or maybe two plays that happened in direct succession, right? After we had already watched about a half dozen or so similar plays that occurred previously. I get that going back after the game and seeing those posts could be a little jarring, but those are just stream of consciousness reactions to specific plays that are frozen in time.

BTW, this is the top post on p.7

TruePoint wrote:I <3 JARVIS

See, we aren't always negative!

BPR2010 · Unread post by **BPR2010** » 9 years ago

I honestly found myself saying the exact same things while at the game Wednesday, but have no access to a computer. It's not just me, it's everyone in my section (ask BlueMan). We all cringe when he decides to be the PG or dribble into 2 guys. Why shouldn't we be holding the guy to a higher standard? If you're touted as a potential lottery pick, doesn't that mean you should be held to a higher standard than say Biggie Minnis? His TO per game have gone up 1.5 more from last year to this in the same amount of minutes. Everything else in his game has stayed the same or gotten better. He's a hell of a player and I do think he makes the NBA possibly after next season. It's just this one aspect has been a bit alarming and a head-scratcher to me this year.

The reason it continues to be brought up is because it continues to happen in games. If we saw an improvement in the trend of turnovers as the season went on, I'm sure the groans would lessen as well. It's nothing personal on the kid, we call what we see. We're having a hell of a season, everyone should be enjoying the first season in a long time that this team is relevant. I just don't get why there's pushback when we break down the game, including individual performances that might be a bit negative.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

I've pretty much referred to most of that already. EC's not even a guy I'll go all out defending, which is what's so weird about this conversation.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 9 years ago

You mean cause he's not from NJ or Philly?

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 9 years ago

If we're going by in-game versus post-game reaction, you can't expect an immediate reflex to be a positive one after another turnover in the biggest game of the season. It's much easier to have a rational take on things when you've had some time to decompress - but negative plays during a game will have a negative reaction. You can't expect a positive reaction to a negative play in the moment.

I posted this in another thread but it applies more here:

I think the criticism is fair, given that he is our highest profile guy, with NBA talk, and our leading scorer. He has certainly put himself and the team on the map, and that's a huge credit to what he's done not even halfway through his college career.

I think what is frustrating is that he is playing on a team that is deep with talent, and guys who have fallen into their roles, playing together as a true team. We really have a beautiful team chemistry - with everyone from the bench to your starters embracing their roles - no matter how many minutes come of them, or what they need to do.

What is frustrating to see in EC, is that there are times where he still thinks it's only him, and that he has to do everything - which is when his mistakes happen.

We have so much talent at the PG spot with Jarvis, we have a clear second scoring option in Terrell - and both of whom are developing dangerous shots that are now going to force teams to play us man to man rather than in a zone. EC doesn't have to be the guy to bring the ball up or set the offense, but there are times he's out there forcing things - when his talents lie elsewhere.

I think it's a fair point of concern, simply because everyone realizes that EC is holding himself back from being even better than he is right now.

His development lies in coming off ball screens (which he has very clearly gotten better at) and draining shots. With everyone's defense keying on him, the extra pass would end up freeing him up in the long run - there are only a handful of players, much less in the A10, that can cover EC one on one to try and stop him in the lane.

I don't think anyone is piling on EC in a negative way, I think everyone realizes that he can be even better than he is by trusting his teammates more.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 9 years ago

I love EC and think he can play in the NBA someday.....but this season has been hard on him from a standpoint of being a marked man by the opponent.....and he still is our best all around player.....

If Hassan were 4 inches taller we would be justified in talking NBA with him.....I hope we can get some more inside help so that he can show us if he has the perimeter skills he will need as a player of his height in the NBA...

Too soon to speak about Jared Terrell's shot at it......his last 6 games (minus 1) have been great...the first 20 were typical freshman....

Dunn is having a spectacular season....it is why I put him well ahead of EC is a potential pro.....I like EC just as much but they play different roles....

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:You mean cause he's not from NJ or Philly?

Mainly because he doesn't need it. He's E.C., and he's freaking awesome.

Little used under-sized forwards? Tupac loving Lithuanians? I'm here for you!

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

Bottom line is that we do not have a problem in our fan base with lack of love and appreciation for EC. That doesn't mean he can do no wrong to us on a play-to-play basis. He isn't beyond criticism or an eye roll in response to a turnover in the heat of battle. That doesn't mean he isn't a fan favorite.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 9 years ago

I cringed when Jared took the 12 footer to put us back up by 11.....but he made it....if he misses and they cut the lead to 6 or 7 on their next trip we would all have been ripping him a new one....

I wouldn't get too high or too low on any of these criticisms of our kids....

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 9 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Bottom line is that we do not have a problem in our fan base with lack of love and appreciation for EC. That doesn't mean he can do no wrong to us on a play-to-play basis. He isn't beyond criticism or an eye roll in response to a turnover in the heat of battle. That doesn't mean he isn't a fan favorite.

Never said he couldn't or that he was, or anything close to that. That's just silly.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

ace wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Bottom line is that we do not have a problem in our fan base with lack of love and appreciation for EC. That doesn't mean he can do no wrong to us on a play-to-play basis. He isn't beyond criticism or an eye roll in response to a turnover in the heat of battle. That doesn't mean he isn't a fan favorite.
Never said he couldn't or that he was, or anything close to that. That's just silly.

I didn't think you were before you quoted us from the game thread. That felt like we were being called our for being unfair to him. Ramster definitely was going down that road this morning. But if you're not saying that, then I'm not even sure what we are talking about so I'll just back out of the discussion.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 9 years ago

Ramster mention back in this thread the impact of the D League in developing players for the NBA.
I have to disagree with this. Provide me a list of D League alum that have made it in the NBA for more than a cup of coffee.

Players are better off staying in college and trying to improve their draft position.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

Rhody83 wrote:Ramster mention back in this thread the impact of the D League in developing players for the NBA.
I have to disagree with this. Provide me a list of D League alum that have made it in the NBA for more than a cup of coffee.

Players are better off staying in college and trying to improve their draft position.

Except that in the NBADL, the players are actually making money. It's also still not used as a true minor league by teams, since there isn't 1-to-1 affiliation yet. (It's believed that it'll be added during the next labor negotiation.) But there also isn't much evidence beyond anecdote that staying in college is better for players. For some, it surely is, but for others, it's just locking them into college for another year when they could be making actual money.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 9 years ago

SGreenwell wrote:
Rhody83 wrote:Ramster mention back in this thread the impact of the D League in developing players for the NBA.
I have to disagree with this. Provide me a list of D League alum that have made it in the NBA for more than a cup of coffee.

Players are better off staying in college and trying to improve their draft position.
Except that in the NBADL, the players are actually making money. It's also still not used as a true minor league by teams, since there isn't 1-to-1 affiliation yet. (It's believed that it'll be added during the next labor negotiation.) But there also isn't much evidence beyond anecdote that staying in college is better for players. For some, it surely is, but for others, it's just locking them into college for another year when they could be making actual money.

On the flipside, if a guy is a year from graduating he is probably better off in the long term completing his degree that he has already invested years of his life in. Over the long haul, a college degree will be worth much more than 50k pre-tax or whatever NBDL guys get paid.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 9 years ago

TruePoint wrote:
SGreenwell wrote:
Rhody83 wrote:Ramster mention back in this thread the impact of the D League in developing players for the NBA.
I have to disagree with this. Provide me a list of D League alum that have made it in the NBA for more than a cup of coffee.

Players are better off staying in college and trying to improve their draft position.
Except that in the NBADL, the players are actually making money. It's also still not used as a true minor league by teams, since there isn't 1-to-1 affiliation yet. (It's believed that it'll be added during the next labor negotiation.) But there also isn't much evidence beyond anecdote that staying in college is better for players. For some, it surely is, but for others, it's just locking them into college for another year when they could be making actual money.
On the flipside, if a guy is a year from graduating he is probably better off in the long term completing his degree that he has already invested years of his life in. Over the long haul, a college degree will be worth much more than 50k pre-tax or whatever NBDL guys get paid.

I definitely agree with that. For the most part, I actually do agree that most players are better served by staying an extra year in college... But I bristle a bit when it's applied to everyone, whether by casual suggestion or by the NBA's age limit. Yes, some guys use the time in college to develop into dominant players (Tim Duncan). However, for some, college would clearly just be a farce and they should be able to go pro immediately (Moses Malone).

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 9 years ago

EC is playing like a kid who is rusty and tentative, versus the Freshman who showed confidence and fearlessness. That is what an injury does, you question your abilities and lack confidence.

Right now with just some timely slashes to the hoop and 3 pt shooting EC can be a vital component. Long term EC needs to tighten his handle and develop a pull up jumper game before he is NBA ready.

I always thought 3 years or more for EC. No way he would get drafted this year. If he leaves it will be one of many really poor decisions by young basketball prospects. I doubt that happens. Dunn on the other hand could play himself into a Top 20 pick with a couple wins in the tourney and a national spotlight. I still say he is underrated, there are not 7 better PG prospects in the college game right now. No way.

Keatgsr07 · Unread post by **Keatgsr07** » 9 years ago

EC's only fit in the pro game is at PG. He does not pass the ball nearly enough, or well enough, imo, to be even considered an NBA PG at this point.

Agree with the many KeaneyBlue vets on this thread, this kid needs to focus and keep developing.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 9 years ago

Luckily hes 19....

The game he had at Richmond was marvelous. EC tightens up those TO's.... He could legit avg over 20ppg next year.

Personally I'm not sure half this board would get their crozzover plucked as often as he has had it taken this year. Still everything else he does is really impressive. Scouting a college player or talent, the scouts narrow down what they are looking at. He does a couple things great.

I'm baffled when people say he needs a mid range shot. He clearly has that. What he needs is a better ability to asses the possibility that he is about to get the ball taken away from him.