New Assistant Coach candidates

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 10 years ago

Is Chevy Chase's son a coach?

DeanDome88 · Unread post by **DeanDome88** » 10 years ago

Any chance at all Al Skinner could be convinced to join the staff? He was excellent at teaching the game. I know he is not going to hit the recruiting trails hard but If Carr and Murray and Dan Hurley can handle that aspect it would really help round out the staff.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

DeanDome88 wrote:Any chance at all Al Skinner could be convinced to join the staff? He was excellent at teaching the game. I know he is not going to hit the recruiting trails hard but If Carr and Murray and Dan Hurley can handle that aspect it would really help round out the staff.

I want a top notch recruiter.

woodennickel1 · Unread post by **woodennickel1** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Walsh does a great job and deserves a head coaching job somewhere.
However, URI needs an inner city type, who knows the ropes.
We're not getting anyone from a successful program for the money they're offering.
It needs to be someone outside of the college scene.
Hurely should talk to Leo Papile and Marc Bayah, and find out who's hot in
their minds. These are ears to the ground guys, who'd know.
You need to bring in a recruiter, not a DBO.
I wouldn't promote anyone from this staff, until they prove they can actually
bring live bodies into the program.

You want to be real careful there they will probably recommend Chris Driscoll. A guy URI may want to look at is Jeff Battle who was not retained by Danny Manning at wake. He is a good friend of Cooleys and almost came there before they hired Lefleur. He has an excellent reputation as a recruiter.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

ramfan85 wrote:Is Chevy Chase's son a coach?

Hahahah. Hysterical

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 10 years ago

Christian has a $750,000 budget for assistant coaches. Hurley's just got bumped to $400,000. If it all about cash, URI is not going to come close. We don't live in a BCS neighborhood. Maybe there are other incentives to keep him.

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 10 years ago

Al Skinner is not a guy who is hitting the recruiting trail. A good guy to have around but recruiters are hustlers and Glengarry Glenross types. That is not Al.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Al would be a huge asset on the bench and developing talent.

Not so much on the recruiting trail.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

Ironically, maybe Akbar Waheed on the old BC staff is someone to consider. He got a commitment from Jeremy Miller, a top 100 guy for 2015 and word was had developed a nice relationship with BABC. Obviously, he's looking for a job. Might be a good match.

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 10 years ago

Slightly off topic but did anyone read that Stacey Garrick passed away a few months ago? The shots of her with Tom Sr. during the 1988 run were terrific.

ms1111 · Unread post by **ms1111** » 10 years ago

Bonzie colson
Big man
African American
Ties to URI
Has been big time program assistant before
Lives locally
His son played for BABC so he has those connections

What's missing?

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

ms1111 wrote:Bonzie colson
Big man
African American
Ties to URI
Has been big time program assistant before
Lives locally
His son played for BABC so he has those connections

What's missing?

No connection to Dan?

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

The time to do that would've been last year

Andrew · Unread post by **Andrew** » 10 years ago

Why do you say that, Iggy? What's the difference between now and then?

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 10 years ago

Andrew wrote:Why do you say that, Iggy? What's the difference between now and then?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... -colson-jr

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Hmmm.....could we have used a versatile 4 star forward?
Does Dan have ANY connection with BABC?
Significant program in his back yard. Foolish to ignore it.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 10 years ago

ms1111 wrote:Bonzie colson
Big man
African American
Ties to URI
Has been big time program assistant before
Lives locally
His son played for BABC so he has those connections

What's missing?

Sorry. I want someone currently in the field with existing recruiting connections and with much more experience than Bonzie for this particular position at this time.

If URI had a lower level position, I would be open to him. If he wants to get back into coaching, maybe his URI, Skinner, and Brey-Notre Dame connections can help find a landing spot for him.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 10 years ago

I was perusing some of the staffs of other lower level schools in the northeast. Not seeing a lot.

Anyone know much about Tony Newsom at Fairfield? He played at Niagara and has been on the staffs at Rider, Holy Cross, Siena, and Fairfield. Seems to have a good resume. Don't know much about his recruiting abilities.
http://www.fairfieldstags.com/ViewArtic ... EASON=2013

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

Ramblinrose wrote:Christian has a $750,000 budget for assistant coaches. Hurley's just got bumped to $400,000. If it all about cash, URI is not going to come close. We don't live in a BCS neighborhood. Maybe there are other incentives to keep him.

I would love to know how we KNOW what BC's budget. For that matter what URI budget is for sure? Easily could be Thorr spin to make things easier on themselves.

Really don't get all the "it is not fair to compare us to BCS" schools. We are either in or not, if you are telling me that URI can't find away to be competitive with an assistant coach if he is a key person, then we are forever destined to mediocrity. Somehow non BCS schools have done it in the past, Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and we can, if we want it hard enough.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

McRam wrote: Really don't get all the "it is not fair to compare us to BCS" schools. We are either in or not, if you are telling me that URI can't find away to be competitive with an assistant coach if he is a key person, then we are forever destined to mediocrity. Somehow non BCS schools have done it in the past, Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and we can, if we want it hard enough.

Can you provide examples of when schools like Butler, VCU and Gonzaga raised an assistants salary by about 100k to keep them from a BCS school? I'm not aware of any...

Miramfan · Unread post by **Miramfan** » 10 years ago

Preston would have received a 15k raise for the first year a 10k raise the second year and another 15k the third year. That is 40k over three years and not close to 100k raise.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Does anybody know who recruited Preston Murphy to URI in 1995?

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Probably Al, since he was the HC at the time.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 10 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Probably Al, since he was the HC at the time.

Or Tim O'Shea who was the #1 assistant back then.

ram1980 · Unread post by **ram1980** » 10 years ago

Hurley has to have someone in mind.. Who was it going to be when he first got here?? Bottom line, if he has the ties he supposedly has and is the coach we think he is, this has to be just a small bump in the road.. Adversity is and will always be part of coaching at this school.. How a coach handles it and makes the transition will prove how good he really is!!!

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

You are absolutely right.

The question is, will Dan hire a 1st assistant, or move someone up? My guess he hires an AHC.

To get someone good, URI is going to have to offer in the ballpark of what they offered Preston to stay.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

I agree- keep the $$ on the table

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:You are absolutely right.

The question is, will Dan hire a 1st assistant, or move someone up? My guess he hires an AHC.

To get someone good, URI is going to have to offer in the ballpark of what they offered Preston to stay.

Do schools typically hire and bring in an Associate Head Coach? I honestly don't know, but it seems to me like that's something that is usually given as a promotion to someone currently on staff?

Running Ram · Unread post by **Running Ram** » 10 years ago

I'm not that comfortable with the thought of Rhody sliding one of the current guys (no disrespect to either) into the AHC spot. They just promoted Murphy to that spot and he's been doing more for the team for a much longer period of time, to promote one of the remaining staff with far softer resumes doesn't feel right to me.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 10 years ago

adam914 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:You are absolutely right.

The question is, will Dan hire a 1st assistant, or move someone up? My guess he hires an AHC.

To get someone good, URI is going to have to offer in the ballpark of what they offered Preston to stay.

Do schools typically hire and bring in an Associate Head Coach? I honestly don't know, but it seems to me like that's something that is usually given as a promotion to someone currently on staff?[/quote]
Who on this staff is worthy of such a promotion???????????????????
I didn't think so.
The Head Coach has to hit a home run -- or -- at the very least, a triple on this one. Let's hope that he has a list in his back pocket, having prepard for this day, and has considered all of things that have been discussed here, i.e.., AAU (BABC, et al.,) connections, ability to organize, teach, etc., Someone sharp, well-spoken and will represent URI as well as Preston Murphy did, and hopefully, if it's possible, better than he did.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Why do I get the feeling Murray is the guy Dan really wants in
the AHC position?
Based on nothing concrete, Murray came here with great fanfare.
Maybe Preston's relationship with Dan was fine, but what about Preston's
relationships with others on the staff?
I'd be shocked if they went to get an established guy.
I'm betting it's someone none of us has ever heard about.
I just pray it's not another NJ familiar, to add to the NJ club of
assistants.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

One requirement should be that they're a former player

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:One requirement should be that they're a former player

Where at? URI??? If so, why?????

RoadyJay · Unread post by **RoadyJay** » 10 years ago

If you're not going to promote from within and instead get an established coach/recruiter to replace Preston then you need/prefer...

-Former player (agree Iggy)
-African American
-Proven track record recruiting in Northeast
-Ties to one or more top area AAU coaches
-Bring one or more top recruits with him

While I don't think you need to replace Preston with another Ram from the glory days doesn't Tyson Wheeler have to be on the short list? ARD is also interesting but I'd say much less so than Wheeler.

I honestly don't know how well Wheeler hits on ALL of the above criteria but hard to think he won't get a call.

Anyone have thoughts on criteria? Names?

Happy Eastah!

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rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Murray never played at Fairfield.
Jim Carr never played.
Kevin Tirone never played at St. Joe's.
Enright at Mt. Ida?
The only guy on staff who played D-1 ball is Chris Martin,
the graduate assistant.
So, we went from All American Bobby, and Preston, to
a staff that never played anywhere. Huh?

RoadyJay · Unread post by **RoadyJay** » 10 years ago

bressler3south wrote:
Iggy1979 wrote:One requirement should be that they're a former player
Where at? URI??? If so, why?????

I don't think at URI necessarily but in recruiting it's important to relate to the players (been there/done that)

It needs to be more than just Dan

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rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Absolutely!
Now, look at my post about our current staff.
"where'd you play ball?"
"Uh, well, I was student assistant at____"
Yeah, that'll cut it.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 10 years ago

Claude English?

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

Running Ram wrote:I'm not that comfortable with the thought of Rhody sliding one of the current guys (no disrespect to either) into the AHC spot. They just promoted Murphy to that spot and he's been doing more for the team for a much longer period of time, to promote one of the remaining staff with far softer resumes doesn't feel right to me.

Oh yeah I agree, I don't think anybody right now should be promoted to AHC, but my point was maybe there just won't be anybody with that title for now. And I wasn't sure if its normal to hire somebody and immediately name them AHC or if thats usually used as a promotion from within.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

bressler3south wrote:
Iggy1979 wrote:One requirement should be that they're a former player
Where at? URI??? If so, why?????

Played anywhere. Rod got mt point

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 10 years ago

Just think back to the difference just 1.5 years ago with regards to our staff. We had Bobby as #1 and Preston as #2 and we landed both EC and Hassan. We lost Bobby and had a very lean recruiting season this past year. Now we will be without both Bobby and Preston next fall. I fear that things will be just as bad or worse. In the short term, this is a very big loss and will immediately hurt. This could easily set the rebuild job back another year.

DeanDome88 · Unread post by **DeanDome88** » 10 years ago

It is certainly time for Dan to step up with a good hire and a strong finish to this recruiting season. If we land Gustys I will consider this recruiting season better than average. Garrett was a big get considering the need.

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:Hire like Mann's parents or something.

Dan should sell out, pick a coach that comes with an elite player. Imagine if we were getting that point guard SMU is getting? kid is incredible.

Look around America, pull the trigger on a can't miss player and his handler.

DH moves on to another job, we break our streak, if we hit on the next hire then we are fine.

We are getting a little carried away with the importance of the assistant coaches, if it was that simple and easy, let's get rid of Hurley and use that money to get the best assistant in the land.

RIFan · Unread post by **RIFan** » 10 years ago

BC certainly thinks the assistant coaches and recruiting are important.

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

adam914 wrote:
McRam wrote: Really don't get all the "it is not fair to compare us to BCS" schools. We are either in or not, if you are telling me that URI can't find away to be competitive with an assistant coach if he is a key person, then we are forever destined to mediocrity. Somehow non BCS schools have done it in the past, Butler, VCU, Gonzaga and we can, if we want it hard enough.
Can you provide examples of when schools like Butler, VCU and Gonzaga raised an assistants salary by about 100k to keep them from a BCS school? I'm not aware of any...

we do not know what the real money that was offered. do we really think they were going to pay the #2 assistant 250K.
This is most likely an Obamaism.

the bottom line is that the successful programs do not lose key personnel, for a somewhat lateral move. ())Yes, I know that Shaka lost his key recruiter this year, but it was for a head coaching job.)

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Sorry is my point doesn't get though here.
When did you see an all white staff of little guys in college ball?
This isn't 1965.
Preston was from Saganaw, MI. He could relate to the kids he was recruiting,
and they could relate to him.
Nothing personal with any of the current staff, but them working the inner cities
seems a bit off.
You aren't going to bring in a proven college recruiter, You need to probe the AAU
circuit for a slickster, who can do the job.

Yes, but, please not a slickster

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

RF1 wrote:
ms1111 wrote:Bonzie colson
Big man
African American
Ties to URI
Has been big time program assistant before
Lives locally
His son played for BABC so he has those connections

What's missing?

Sorry. I want someone currently in the field with existing recruiting connections and with much more experience than Bonzie for this particular position at this time.

If URI had a lower level position, I would be open to him. If he wants to get back into coaching, maybe his URI, Skinner, and Brey-Notre Dame connections can help find a landing spot for him.

If the question is what is missing with Bonzie, the answer is his son.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 10 years ago

RF1 wrote:Just think back to the difference just 1.5 years ago with regards to our staff. We had Bobby as #1 and Preston as #2 and we landed both EC and Hassan. We lost Bobby and had a very lean recruiting season this past year. Now we will be without both Bobby and Preston next fall. I fear that things will be just as bad or worse. In the short term, this is a very big loss and will immediately hurt. This could easily set the rebuild job back another year.

Respectfully, I have a couple issues with this. First, yes we lost our top two assistants from two years ago, but that is a fact of life in college sports. There is a cycle to that, and it happens everywhere. You have to go out and get the next guy(s). Second, I think you're making two different logical missteps: that we had a down year in recruiting because Bobby left the staff, and that Bobby and Preston are singularly special in their ability to get players.

I think our recruiting problems, such that they were, were about three things: thinking we only had one spot open when we ultimately wound up with four; thinking we had Terrell on he hook and not having a backup plan; and recruiting down a guy, with Murray coming in later and basically skipping the '14 cycle (partially due to the first two things). Of those, only the last one can be related to Bobby leaving. I guess maybe you could think Bobby may have made a difference with Terrell?

Preston was definitely a beast on the recruiting trail, and I think his leaving probably puts guys like Cochran and Davis out of the picture for us. But I have to believe that Hurley is capable of finding and getting players without Preston, and there is still plenty of time before the fall signing period to do so. Hurley was hired in March of '12 and got EC and Hassan in he fall. Presumably he is personally much further along with recruits this cycle. I guess that is one area where we could disagree and I can only say "we'll see." As far as the rest of what you said, I think you are overstating the issue and its potential impact (as much as I love Preston and wish he was still here).

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 10 years ago

What is this assumption that Preston solely went for money? Who really knows his relationship with Hurley and URI? All we know is it's over. We only know Preston's work, and it was paying off. Bob Hurley? I don't see him leaving his St. Anthony's empire to sit on the bench at URI at his age, taking trips to Olean.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

TruePoint wrote:
RF1 wrote:Just think back to the difference just 1.5 years ago with regards to our staff. We had Bobby as #1 and Preston as #2 and we landed both EC and Hassan. We lost Bobby and had a very lean recruiting season this past year. Now we will be without both Bobby and Preston next fall. I fear that things will be just as bad or worse. In the short term, this is a very big loss and will immediately hurt. This could easily set the rebuild job back another year.
Respectfully, I have a couple issues with this. First, yes we lost our top two assistants from two years ago, but that is a fact of life in college sports. There is a cycle to that, and it happens everywhere. You have to go out and get the next guy(s). Second, I think you're making two different logical missteps: that we had a down year in recruiting because Bobby left the staff, and that Bobby and Preston are singularly special in their ability to get players.

I think our recruiting problems, such that they were, were about three things: thinking we only had one spot open when we ultimately wound up with four; thinking we had Terrell on he hook and not having a backup plan; and recruiting down a guy, with Murray coming in later and basically skipping the '14 cycle (partially due to the first two things). Of those, only the last one can be related to Bobby leaving. I guess maybe you could think Bobby may have made a difference with Terrell?

Preston was definitely a beast on the recruiting trail, and I think his leaving probably puts guys like Cochran and Davis out of the picture for us. But I have to believe that Hurley is capable of finding and getting players without Preston, and there is still plenty of time before the fall signing period to do so. Hurley was hired in March of '12 and got EC and Hassan in he fall. Presumably he is personally much further along with recruits this cycle. I guess that is one area where we could disagree and I can only say "we'll see." As far as the rest of what you said, I think you are overstating the issue and its potential impact (as much as I love Preston and wish he was still here).

This is what I've been saying also.