A10 Tournament March 7-12 Barclays Bracket and Results

[ramster]

Go Huskies.

With a loss, wouldn't shock me if PC falls to the First Four.

Oh Man are they getting #%^*+ slapped!

I'll preface this with I haven't been following college basketball as a whole this year and don't know the NET numbers (as skewed as they are) and the q1 ,2, etc games. Does this blowout put them on the wrong side of the bubble?

I believe yes.

[steviep123]

Oh Man are they getting #%^*+ slapped!

I'll preface this with I haven't been following college basketball as a whole this year and don't know the NET numbers (as skewed as they are) and the q1 ,2, etc games. Does this blowout put them on the wrong side of the bubble?

I believe yes.

Well providence has been on a 26-5 run since I posted this and are now only down 5 with under 4 to play, so if they do complete the comeback it's my fault.

[reef]

I think PC will still get in but possibly the 11 line or the play in tournament

Let’s go bid stealers !!

[ramster]

Would be interesting to see Villanova beat Creighton tonight. Maybe PC gets their bid stolen by Villanova sneaking in

[ramster]

St Joseph's down by 3 now with 39 seconds to go to Dayton.
SJU just scored 5 points in 5 seconds.
Dayton ball. 28 seconds left.

Camara a monster game with 16 points and 17 rebounds.
St joes is tough

[ramster]

Dayton wins but St Joe's gave them a battle.
Biggest crowd of the Tournament to date. Dayton travels well. Plus good number of Fordham fans here for the upcoming Fordham - LaSalle game

[Rhody15]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

[ramster]

Fordham LaSalle starts in 22 minutes. 7:40
As Dayton St Joe went a bit over

[PeterRamTime]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

They'd be right on the cusp. Also had a Q4 loss at home to St Bona.

I wonder how much that effected their NET though. Like would they be 10 spots higher?

[rhodysurf]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

They'd be right on the cusp. Also had a Q4 loss at home to St Bona.

I wonder how much that effected their NET though. Like would they be 10 spots higher?

Remember your actual net ranking doesn’t matter. Only the net of the teams you played

[KingstonLane]

Find it ironic that in the craziest A10 season in awhile, with no consistently dominant teams, the bracket has almost been completely chalk so far

[ramster]

Wally just made a questionable call on Quisenberry.

Hope the game doesn't get impacted by Wally in the end.

Great game so far.

Crowd is really into the game.

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[PeterRamTime]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

They'd be right on the cusp. Also had a Q4 loss at home to St Bona.

I wonder how much that effected their NET though. Like would they be 10 spots higher?

Remember your actual net ranking doesn’t matter. Only the net of the teams you played

Yeah, but Q4 losses damage your ranking big time

[NYGFan_Section208]

Been here since Tuesday. Passing on the earlier games to head to MSG to cheer on UConn. Hopefully they put a smack down on our northern neighbors.

Go Huskies.

With a loss, wouldn't shock me if PC falls to the First Four.

Oh Man are they getting #%^*+ slapped!

Twice!

[Rhodymob05]

Fordham fans are going nuts. The desperation is real. But impressive showing.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Go Rams! Nice shot, Quizz!

[McRam]

Urgo is more than enthusiasm. Forced the ball out of B and B LaSalle backcourt hands. Triple teamed to do it in some cases. That strategy probably won game.
It is fair to ask why Archie didn’t do this when their backcourt was killing us ?…

[ramster]

8,595 at Fordham vs LaSalle

Very enthusiastic crowd

[steviep123]

Not A10, but the UNLV/Boise St Mountain West Q final tourney game was crazy. UNLV came back from 22 down to take a late lead, then gave that up, was down 3, and nailed a crazy off balanced 3 pointer to send the game OT. Boise St ultimately won by 9 in OT, but what a fun game!

[reef]

Not A10, but the UNLV/Boise St Mountain West Q final tourney game was crazy. UNLV came back from 22 down to take a late lead, then gave that up, was down 3, and nailed a crazy off balanced 3 pointer to send the game OT. Boise St ultimately won by 9 in OT, but what a fun game!

Yeah I saw that Stevie , really good finish

The top 4 chalk in the A10 got it done

[hrstrat57]

Hey ho Go Rams!

[RhowdyRam02]

Go Huskies.

With a loss, wouldn't shock me if PC falls to the First Four.

Oh Man are they getting #%^*+ slapped!

I'll preface this with I haven't been following college basketball as a whole this year and don't know the NET numbers (as skewed as they are) and the q1 ,2, etc games. Does this blowout put them on the wrong side of the bubble?

Their NET after yesterday is 55. They're 4-8 in quad 1, 3-2 in quad 2, 3-1 in quad 3, 11-0 in quad 4. They should not be in

[RhowdyRam02]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

Interesting question. Their NET is 63, 1-1 in quad 1, 2-4 in quad 2, 12-0 in quad 3, 10-2 in quad 4 as is. Their resume frankly isn't that much worse than PC's as is and people are still talking about PC as a lock, though I disagree with that

[Rhody15]

Oh Man are they getting #%^*+ slapped!

I'll preface this with I haven't been following college basketball as a whole this year and don't know the NET numbers (as skewed as they are) and the q1 ,2, etc games. Does this blowout put them on the wrong side of the bubble?

Their NET after yesterday is 55. They're 4-8 in quad 1, 3-2 in quad 2, 3-1 in quad 3, 11-0 in quad 4. They should not be in

The committee doesn’t strictly just go off NET though.

KenPom and Sagarin are used as well if I’m not mistaken.

[ramster]

Saturday Semi-Finals

• 1:00pm 1-VCU vs 4-St Louis

• 3:30pm 3-Fordham vs 2-Dayton

All 4 Double Bye First 4 Seeds Advanced from the Quarter to Semi-Finals

1-VCU 25-7 (15-3)
2-Dayton 21-11 (12-6)
3-Fordham 25-7 (12-6)
4-St Louis 21-11 (12-6)

Both Games on CBSSN


Sunday Championship
1:00pm. CBS

[bigappleram]

Yeah usually I think PC is underrated but this year it's the opposite.
Their metrics aren't great. They effectively played a really good stretch of basketball for 4-5 weeks (Jan to mid Feb) and sandwiched that between 2 sub .500 stretches. They lost every OOC game of any consequence. They aren't even in the last 4 out for Lunardi and he won't be that far off so it would seemingly require 4+ bid stealers to even put them in jeopardy.

[RhowdyRam02]

I'll preface this with I haven't been following college basketball as a whole this year and don't know the NET numbers (as skewed as they are) and the q1 ,2, etc games. Does this blowout put them on the wrong side of the bubble?

Their NET after yesterday is 55. They're 4-8 in quad 1, 3-2 in quad 2, 3-1 in quad 3, 11-0 in quad 4. They should not be in

The committee doesn’t strictly just go off NET though.

KenPom and Sagarin are used as well if I’m not mistaken.

Providence is 44 on KenPom, so that's right on the bubble.

Between their metrics being on the bubble to out and how they ended the season they absolutely shouldn't be in

[Blue Man]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

Interesting question. Their NET is 63, 1-1 in quad 1, 2-4 in quad 2, 12-0 in quad 3, 10-2 in quad 4 as is. Their resume frankly isn't that much worse than PC's as is and people are still talking about PC as a lock, though I disagree with that

They have 1 quad 1 win. PC has more Q1 wins than VCU has in Q1 and Q2. And not for nothing, VCU's "quad 1" win is on the road at currently #75 Dayton. If Dayton loses, they will not be a Q1 win.

Also, VCU has 2 terrible losses. PC has no Q4 losses.

This is one of the dumbest arguments on this board, and we've had more than we can count.

It's not just the NET. It's a constellation. Who did you beat and who did you lose to.

PC has wins against RPI teams of #7, #12, and #13.

Why are we discussing this? The A10 is a 1 bid league this year. VCU doesn't have an at large resume with 1 barely Q1 win and 2 horrendous Q4 losses. And even if they were on the bubble and Dayton beats them Sunday, VCU getting in won't be at the expense of PC.

[Rhody15]

Their NET after yesterday is 55. They're 4-8 in quad 1, 3-2 in quad 2, 3-1 in quad 3, 11-0 in quad 4. They should not be in

The committee doesn’t strictly just go off NET though.

KenPom and Sagarin are used as well if I’m not mistaken.

Providence is 44 on KenPom, so that's right on the bubble.

Between their metrics being on the bubble to out and how they ended the season they absolutely shouldn't be in

Not one bracket currently has them out.

Committee used to take into account your last 10 games, but not anymore.

Only look at complete resume now.

[SGreenwell]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

Interesting question. Their NET is 63, 1-1 in quad 1, 2-4 in quad 2, 12-0 in quad 3, 10-2 in quad 4 as is. Their resume frankly isn't that much worse than PC's as is and people are still talking about PC as a lock, though I disagree with that

I'm with others in that while I don't think PC's play as of late is especially impressive, VCU's resume isn't really impressive at all. They're 1-1 in Q1 games, 2-4 in Q2 games. That's sub-.500 against teams that are (roughly) in the Top 180 of college basketball. They're 22-2 against Q3 and Q4 teams, and 15-3 at home. We always crap on power conference teams for scheduling soft OOC, but VCU played two non-neutral road games (at Memphis, at Temple) and lost them both.

[Jdrums#3]

I agree regarding VCU as well. Their resume falls significantly short of an at-large bid. The Q4 losses are killers.

[RhodyKyle]

The committee doesn’t strictly just go off NET though.

KenPom and Sagarin are used as well if I’m not mistaken.

Providence is 44 on KenPom, so that's right on the bubble.

Between their metrics being on the bubble to out and how they ended the season they absolutely shouldn't be in

Not one bracket currently has them out.

Committee used to take into account your last 10 games, but not anymore.

Only look at complete resume now.

Plus the committee looks at SOR (strength of resume for those who are unfamiliar) and Sagarin, beyond his rankings, has a tool called "wins above bubble" that helps analyze a lot of bubble teams.

[Rhodymob05]

This is how you market a team.

[reef]

Yeah totally agree with VCU they aren’t even in the conversation this is a 1 bid league this year

PC looks to be in bracketmatrix has them as the 3rd 10 seed so they are going to hear their name called unfortunately

[KingstonLane]

I wonder if VCU would be on the bubble had they just not lost to Jacksonville.

Interesting question. Their NET is 63, 1-1 in quad 1, 2-4 in quad 2, 12-0 in quad 3, 10-2 in quad 4 as is. Their resume frankly isn't that much worse than PC's as is and people are still talking about PC as a lock, though I disagree with that

I'm with others in that while I don't think PC's play as of late is especially impressive, VCU's resume isn't really impressive at all. They're 1-1 in Q1 games, 2-4 in Q2 games. That's sub-.500 against teams that are (roughly) in the Top 180 of college basketball. They're 22-2 against Q3 and Q4 teams, and 15-3 at home. We always crap on power conference teams for scheduling soft OOC, but VCU played two non-neutral road games (at Memphis, at Temple) and lost them both.

Travis ford had an interesting press conference indicating the A10 is telling teams to schedule soft on purpose going forward. Thought seems to be P6 games are going to be tough to get anyways, and if you schedule soft go in there and blow the doors off your opponent

NET and other rankings that we obsess over include offensive efficiency metrics that you can at least try to optimize for

I disagree with the premise as a whole, but I’m not in charge

[SGreenwell]

Interesting question. Their NET is 63, 1-1 in quad 1, 2-4 in quad 2, 12-0 in quad 3, 10-2 in quad 4 as is. Their resume frankly isn't that much worse than PC's as is and people are still talking about PC as a lock, though I disagree with that

I'm with others in that while I don't think PC's play as of late is especially impressive, VCU's resume isn't really impressive at all. They're 1-1 in Q1 games, 2-4 in Q2 games. That's sub-.500 against teams that are (roughly) in the Top 180 of college basketball. They're 22-2 against Q3 and Q4 teams, and 15-3 at home. We always crap on power conference teams for scheduling soft OOC, but VCU played two non-neutral road games (at Memphis, at Temple) and lost them both.

Travis ford had an interesting press conference indicating the A10 is telling teams to schedule soft on purpose going forward. Thought seems to be P6 games are going to be tough to get anyways, and if you schedule soft go in there and blow the doors off your opponent

NET and other rankings that we obsess over include offensive efficiency metrics that you can at least try to optimize for

I disagree with the premise as a whole, but I’m not in charge

It's kind of stupid thinking / planning on his part, as the results of St. Louis, Dayton and VCU this year show. Ultimately, you're relying on 18 to 23-year-old players to be consistent night in and night out, and that seldom happens. Even URI's NCAA teams under Hurley had some puzzling loses. Beating Q3 and Q4 teams, even by good margins at home, doesn't help you that much in KenPom or NET. St. Louis is 16-3 against those teams, Dayton is 19-4, and VCU is 22-2. There are 7 teams in the A-10 that are probably a Q3 or Q4 win - Bonnies, St. Joe's, UMass, GW, La Salle, URI and Loyola - so that doesn't help.

But as others have pointed out, its probably not impossible to get OOC games with Mountain West teams (UNLV 91, San Jose St. 92), or Colgate (100), or UC Santa Barbara (103). If P5 programs are refusing to play you, and you think you have an NCAA worthy team, your next call should be to mid-major teams. Instead, it seems like plenty of programs just skip right to Q4 games. I hope that when we're good again, we're scheduling more teams like that. (I know our SOS wasn't sexy to most to begin the year, but we ended up at 161 by KenPom. That's only marginally worse than Dayton and VCU. SLU was at 115, but admittedly spent a good portion of the year crapping on itself instead of winning games.)

[ramster]

Saturday Semi-Finals

• 1:00pm 1-VCU vs 4-St Louis

VCU -4 points

• 3:30pm 3-Fordham vs 2-Dayton

Dayton -5.5 points

All 4 Double Bye First 4 Seeds Advanced from the Quarter to Semi-Finals

1-VCU 25-7 (15-3)
2-Dayton 21-11 (12-6)
3-Fordham 25-7 (12-6)
4-St Louis 21-11 (12-6)

Both Games on CBSSN


Sunday Championship
1:00pm. CBS

[ramster]

Okoro just hurt his ankle and went to bench.
Baldwin starting out hot with 8 of VCUs 21 points. 21-13 VCU

[NYGFan_Section208]

This is how you market a team.

Well. Done.

[ramster]

St Louis had a 2 on 1 break and Jimerson stopped at the 3P line and buried a 3P. Larry Bird-like move.
Jimerson can shoot, lot of confidence

[ramster]

44-39 VCU lead at half
Baldwin 13 points for VCU
Yuri Collins already with 8 assists and hit a big shot to end the half
Okuro not back yet from ankle injury

[Jersey77]

44-39 VCU lead at half
Baldwin 13 points for VCU
Yuri Collins already with 8 assists and hit a big shot to end the half
Okuro not back yet from ankle injury

VCU opening up a very big lead 2nd half.

[ramster]

44-39 VCU lead at half
Baldwin 13 points for VCU
Yuri Collins already with 8 assists and hit a big shot to end the half
Okuro not back yet from ankle injury

VCU opening up a very big lead 2nd half.

Okoro still has not returned.

[ramster]

44-39 VCU lead at half
Baldwin 13 points for VCU
Yuri Collins already with 8 assists and hit a big shot to end the half
Okuro not back yet from ankle injury

VCU opening up a very big lead 2nd half.

Okoro still has not returned.
Forrester trying to fill in for Okoro but just picked up his 4th foul

[DeanDome88]

I do not think that either VCU or Dayton has a great resume for an at large bid but would not be surprised if either team won a game in the NCAA tournament.

[PeterRamTime]

We must've inspired VCU because they've been great since needing a miracle to beat us

[KevanBoyles]

VCU mopping the floor with St Louis.

[ramster]

Okoro never came back to the St Louis bench after hurting his ankle midway thru the 1st half
Didn't go thru the handshake line at the end.
Tough loss for St Louis to have their big man go down like that in a big Semi-Final game.
VCU looks very good.

[Jersey77]

Okoro never came back to the St Louis bench after hurting his ankle midway thru the 1st half
Didn't go thru the handshake line at the end.
Tough loss for St Louis to have their big man go down like that in a big Semi-Final game.
VCU looks very good.

Tough break for them about Okoro, but this season has been a major disappointment for them.

[PeterRamTime]

If Dayton doesn't win the A-10 how on the hot seat will Anthony Grant be?

Can you ask the same question for Mike Rhoades?