2022-23 Men's Games of Interest

[Rhodymob05]

What is going on?

[Jersey77]

SLU fails to defend its home court in a loss to SIU-Edwardsville, 69-67.

Jimerson their leading scorer these past 2 seasons went 1-11 (FG).
SLU now lost 3 out of their last 4 games.

[Rhody15]

Perkins isn't even close to the same player as he was before the ACL tear.

Carbon copy of EC's first year post injury.

[RhowdyRam02]

Fordham vs VMI at 12 on ESPN+
Quinnipiac at Penn State at 4:30 on Big 10 Network
Stony Brook at West Virginia at 6 on ESPN+
St. Joe's vs Central Connecticut at 7 on ESPN+
George Washington vs Washington State at 9 on ESPN2
Loyola Chicago at Stanford at 10 on Pac 12 Network

Rhode Island's game vs Milwaukee was cancelled

[PeterRamTime]

Fordham on the ropes against 5-7 VMI

They don't have their best player, which I guess means without their best player they are an average big south team?

[reef]

Fordham 12-1 jeez

[Jersey77]

Good win for Bryant over Towson 69-59.

Bryant is little thin upfront.

[Obadiah]

Fordham on the ropes against 5-7 VMI

They don't have their best player, which I guess means without their best player they are an average big south team?

Why was Fordham's best payer Quisebnberry kept out out of VMI game?

[Jersey77]

Fordham on the ropes against 5-7 VMI

They don't have their best player, which I guess means without their best player they are an average big south team?

Why was Fordham's best payer Quisebnberry kept out out of VMI game?

Undisclosed injury

[Jdrums#3]

Harvard hanging with Kansas (at KU). KU up 22-20 with just over 2 minutes left in the first half.

[ramster]

Fordham on the ropes against 5-7 VMI

They don't have their best player, which I guess means without their best player they are an average big south team?

Why was Fordham's best payer Quisebnberry kept out out of VMI game?

Undisclosed injury

From Fordham recap…..

Takeaways
• The Rams were without leading scorer Darius Quisenberry, who was sidelined by an injury.

[ramster]

Fordham 12-1 jeez

Imagine if 6’11” Joel Soriano had not jumped from Fordham to St Johns.
Soriano, now a senior, is 3rd Nationally with 12.6 rebounds per game behind Purdue’s Zach Edey and Kentucky’s Oscar Tshiebwe

Great start for Fordham’s 1st year HC

[Jersey77]

Why was Fordham's best payer Quisebnberry kept out out of VMI game?

Undisclosed injury

From Fordham recap…..

Takeaways
• The Rams were without leading scorer Darius Quisenberry, who was sidelined by an injury.

Hopefully not the same knee injury he suffered the end of last season.

Must give props to Keith Urgo going 12-1 OOC, regardless of their schedule.

[RhowdyRam02]

George Mason vs Coppin State at 4 on ESPN+
George Washington vs Pepperdine at Honolulu at 10 on ESPN2

[Jersey77]

George Mason vs Coppin State at 4 on ESPN+
George Washington vs Pepperdine at Honolulu at 10 on ESPN2

Wow 02, GW loses a close battle at Washington State last night 64-66, and now have to travel to Honolulu to play Pepperdine today.
Not easy.

[RhowdyRam02]

That game last night was in Hawaii as well, I just missed that part when I was posting about the games yesterday

[Jdrums#3]

GW is in Hawaii playing in the Diamond Head Classic.

I watched the end of last nights game against Wash St. GW lost at the end after going back and forth with Wash St.

The play that lost it for GW kind of encapsulates the A10 OOC:

WS had the ball with under 15 secs with the game tied. GW was playing good D when the WS player dribbles the ball off his foot near the top of the 3 pt circle.

The ball bounces a 4-5 feet away from the WS player towards the mid-court line. Then, two GW players in the area hustle and dive for the loose ball but the WS player (who lost the ball initially) beats them both to the ball by a hair and picks it up while the 2 GW players are on the floor.

The other 3 GW defenders see what happened and are scrambling to defend 5. The WS player who retrieved the ball looks to his left and one of WS’s best 3 shooters is standing just beyond the 3 pt line wide open ( his defender was one of the GW players who dove for the loose ball).

The WS player who retrieved the ball shovels a pass to his left to the wide open shooter and he drains the 3 with 3 secs left on the clock.

Brutal way to lose. Can’t catch a break. It’s the story of the A10 - close but no cigar.

[Jersey77]

That game last night was in Hawaii as well, I just missed that part when I was posting about the games yesterday

Okay thanks, now that makes sense.

[Jersey77]

GW is in Hawaii playing in the Diamond Head Classic.

I watched the end of last nights game against Wash St. GW lost at the end after going back and forth with Wash St.

The play that won it for GW kind of encapsulates the A10 OOC:

WS had the ball with under 15 secs with the game tied. GW was playing good D when the WS player dribbles the ball off his foot near the top of the 3 pt circle.

The ball bounces a 4-5 feet away from the WS player towards the mid-court line. Then, two GW players in the area hustle and dive for the loose ball but the WS player (who lost the ball initially) beats them both to the ball by a hair and picks it up while the 2 GW players are on the floor.

The other 3 GW defenders see what happened and are scrambling to defend 5. The WS player who retrieved the ball looks to his left and one of WS’s best 3 shooters is standing just beyond the 3 pt line wide open ( his defender was one of the GW players who dove for the loose ball).

The WS player who retrieved the ball shovels a pass to his left to the wide open shooter and he drains the 3 with 3 secs left on the clock.

Brutal way to lose. Can’t catch a break. It’s the story of the A10 - close but no cigar.

Yeah JD, tough loss and your right about the way things are going for the A10.

[reef]

Undisclosed injury

From Fordham recap…..

Takeaways
• The Rams were without leading scorer Darius Quisenberry, who was sidelined by an injury.

Hopefully not the same knee injury he suffered the end of last season.

Must give props to Keith Urgo going 12-1 OOC, regardless of their schedule.

True and if they go 11-7 in conference which may be realistic with the conference being down that would be 23-8 record possible NIT ??

[RAM67]

GW is in Hawaii playing in the Diamond Head Classic.

I watched the end of last nights game against Wash St. GW lost at the end after going back and forth with Wash St.

The play that lost it for GW kind of encapsulates the A10 OOC:

WS had the ball with under 15 secs with the game tied. GW was playing good D when the WS player dribbles the ball off his foot near the top of the 3 pt circle.

The ball bounces a 4-5 feet away from the WS player towards the mid-court line. Then, two GW players in the area hustle and dive for the loose ball but the WS player (who lost the ball initially) beats them both to the ball by a hair and picks it up while the 2 GW players are on the floor.

The other 3 GW defenders see what happened and are scrambling to defend 5. The WS player who retrieved the ball looks to his left and one of WS’s best 3 shooters is standing just beyond the 3 pt line wide open ( his defender was one of the GW players who dove for the loose ball).

The WS player who retrieved the ball shovels a pass to his left to the wide open shooter and he drains the 3 with 3 secs left on the clock.

Brutal way to lose. Can’t catch a break. It’s the story of the A10 - close but no cigar.

The announcers said he was an eye popping 63% 3-point shooter but did not say how many he has taken for that percentage.

[RhowdyRam02]

Jabe Mullins is 22 for 42 from 3 for a 52.4 three point percentage

[RF1]

From Fordham recap…..

Takeaways
• The Rams were without leading scorer Darius Quisenberry, who was sidelined by an injury.

Hopefully not the same knee injury he suffered the end of last season.

Must give props to Keith Urgo going 12-1 OOC, regardless of their schedule.

True and if they go 11-7 in conference which may be realistic with the conference being down that would be 23-8 record possible NIT ??

Fordham with a record of 12-1 only has an NET rank of 117 as of today. They are 10-0 in quad 4 games and 2-0 in quad 3 games. That holds them back. Their lack of quality wins, bad SOS, and poor NET rank probably means the NIT would likely still be out of reach even with a 23-8 record.

[Jersey77]

Hopefully not the same knee injury he suffered the end of last season.

Must give props to Keith Urgo going 12-1 OOC, regardless of their schedule.

True and if they go 11-7 in conference which may be realistic with the conference being down that would be 23-8 record possible NIT ??

Fordham with a record of 12-1 only has an NET rank of 117 as of today. They are 10-0 in quad 4 games and 2-0 in quad 3 games. That holds them back. Their lack of quality wins, bad SOS, and poor NET rank probably means the NIT would likely still be out of reach even with a 23-8 record.

Much depends on the injury status of Quisenberry.

Off-hand, I can't think of the last A10 team (or any) that won 20+ regular season games with a winning conference record that didn't get at least an NIT bid.

[SGreenwell]

Fordham is 177 in KenPom - between St. Bonaventure and us. It's also not just that they're dead last in strength of schedule, they're dead last by 2 points over the next closest team. They've been lingering in the 170s for a while now, because they've barely been beating these awful teams. At least if they were crushing them by 15, 20 points regularly, I'd be more bullish about their quality level.

[reef]

Fordham is 177 in KenPom - between St. Bonaventure and us. It's also not just that they're dead last in strength of schedule, they're dead last by 2 points over the next closest team. They've been lingering in the 170s for a while now, because they've barely been beating these awful teams. At least if they were crushing them by 15, 20 points regularly, I'd be more bullish about their quality level.

True and 10-0 in quad 4 games unreal how weak of a schedule they made

[Obadiah]

Fordham is 177 in KenPom - between St. Bonaventure and us. It's also not just that they're dead last in strength of schedule, they're dead last by 2 points over the next closest team. They've been lingering in the 170s for a while now, because they've barely been beating these awful teams. At least if they were crushing them by 15, 20 points regularly, I'd be more bullish about their quality level.

No question Fordham plays a weak schedule and they cast further doubts in that they played 11 of their 13 OOC games at Rose Hill, but I would not say they barely beat these teams, since 8 of their wins came by double digits. Fordham's most notable win was their win at Tulane. In that game, Fordham led practically all the second half, building a lead that maxed at 10 points. In comparison, Tulane beat URI on a neutral court. Also, URI has not had a player in the last two years that shows the performance consistency of Darius Quisenberry.

[RhowdyRam02]

Richmond vs Coppin State at 7 on ESPN+
Duquesne at Dayton at 7 on ESPN+
Davidson at Fordham at 7 on CBS Sports Network
Illinois State at UIC at 8 on ESPN+

[Obadiah]

The two conference games involving Fordham and Duquesne are interesting since it will tell us much about how good these teams really are given their poor SOS and their preponderance of home games.

There is a lesson here - when you have long standing poor performance records and a small fan base, you are not attractive to early season neutral court tournament organizers nor are you able to attract top teams to your home court. As a result you have no neutral site games against better team sand are forced to schedule other low level teams to bolster your home schedule. A poor SOS follows.

[SGreenwell]

The two conference games involving Fordham and Duquesne are interesting since it will tell us much about how good these teams really are given their poor SOS and their preponderance of home games.

There is a lesson here - when you have long standing poor performance records and a small fan base, you are not attractive to early season neutral court tournament organizers nor are you able to attract top teams to your home court. As a result you have no neutral site games against better team sand are forced to schedule other low level teams to bolster your home schedule. A poor SOS follows.

I was going to add that it's also another data point about how "smart" crowds / fans can be, because Fordham's average attendance per game was still low... Except there has to be something going on with their gym or their reporting numbers. They reported 0 in the stands for eight of their home games, at least according to the season stats PDF. Are they refurbishing it or something like that? Their last game with a reported attendance was Wagner on Dec. 6 (crowd = 660).

[Rhody72]

We are left trying to compare URI with the dregs of the A10. This is a sad state of affairs and it is neither Archie Miller's nor David Cox's fault. Never ride it out with a coach you are going to fire. This is where you end up.

[PeterRamTime]

We are left trying to compare URI with the dregs of the A10. This is a sad state of affairs and it is neither Archie Miller's nor David Cox's fault. Never ride it out with a coach you are going to fire. This is where you end up.

Yep definitely not Dave Cox's fault at all

[PeterRamTime]

Redirect this complaint to wherever that Rhody Gear thread is because I don't feel like finding it.

Complaint-

Why are there no Rhody lanyards!? Can only find plain lame ones ones that say University of Rhode Island on them.

How can we not have lanyards with the logo on it???

[ramster]

Darius Quisenberry back playing tonight for Fordham playing at home vs Davidson

[Obadiah]

Quisenberry had a bad night as Fordham saw their 11 game win streak snapped - 2 points in 34 minutes, 1-10 FG, 0-7 3 PT.

[ramster]

Khalid Moore also had a bad shooting night. He had been playing well for Fordham. Fordham a miserable 3-31 on 3 point shots

[RamStock]

Let’s be honest here-Fordham stinks. They are just another sub 200 ranked team in the A-10 that is a below average team who has played a very poor schedule. The A-10 has certainly had some down years, but this might be the biggest one yet. Tough to get excited about any A-10 games this season.

[reef]

Khalid Moore also had a bad shooting night. He had been playing well for Fordham. Fordham a miserable 3-31 on 3 point shots

Wow guess their poor SOS didn’t help them @ all

[rhodyblue12]

Dayton's lineup last night was crazy with Malachi Smith and Kobe Elvis both injured.
They only played 7 guys, but all are 6'6" or taller.
They started 5 forwards.
Unique way to approach college basketball.

[ramster]

Dayton's lineup last night was crazy with Malachi Smith and Kobe Elvis both injured.
They only played 7 guys, but all are 6'6" or taller.
They started 5 forwards.
Unique way to approach college basketball.

Same lineup Grant started with in the blow out of Alcorn State. 5 Fowrwards:

Dayton starting line up vs Alcorn State:
Sharavjamts F 6’8”
Blakney F 6’6”
Camara F 6’8”
Holmes F 6’10”
Amzil F 6’9”

[Obadiah]

Dayton's lineup last night was crazy with Malachi Smith and Kobe Elvis both injured.
They only played 7 guys, but all are 6'6" or taller.
They started 5 forwards.
Unique way to approach college basketball.

Same lineup Grant started with in the blow out of Alcorn State. 5 Fowrwards:

Dayton starting line up vs Alcorn State:
Sharavjamts F 6’8”
Blakney F 6’6”
Camara F 6’8”
Holmes F 6’10”
Amzil F 6’9”

Great input and perspective. Nothing is better than being fact based.

[RhowdyRam02]

Brown at Northeastern at 1 on Big 10 Network
La Salle at Howard at 2
Providence at Butler at 6:30 on FS1
Georgia State vs James Madison at 7 on ESPN+
Texas State vs Louisiana Monroe at 8 on ESPN+
Tulane at Cincinnati at 9 on ESPN2

New Hampshire's game at Dartmouth has been postponed due to Covid issues in the UNH program. So we may have been the first this year, but this will probably be an ongoing thing this season, though not as bad as in years past

[ramster]

Dennis Gates 1st year at Missouri. Missouri moves up to NET 32

Now beaten handily back to back Illinois and Kentucky

Only 2 players on Missouri played in last year’s Kentucky game. Brown and DeGray. Missouri lost last year by 23 at Kentucky.

Sean was a beast,” Gates said, sitting alongside East and Brown.

As brilliant as Brown’s been lately — against Illinois and Kentucky, he scored 61 points on just 33 shots, including 7 of 12 from 3-point range — East’s first-half epitomizes Gates’ collection of misfit parts, newcomers mostly from mid-major conference programs who have come together in this roster experiment to create an instant success story. On any given night, any of them is capable of stuffing the box score.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college ... 3f809.html

[ramster]

We are left trying to compare URI with the dregs of the A10. This is a sad state of affairs and it is neither Archie Miller's nor David Cox's fault. Never ride it out with a coach you are going to fire. This is where you end up.

Root cause was hiring David Cox in the first place. "Riding it out with the coach you are going to fire" would not have been necessary had you not hired a guy with zero HC experience when Hurley departed.

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

[RF1]

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

[ramster]

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

True. At least if Hurley chose to leave we would have the hindsight to know we gave it our very best shot. We don't have that in our rear view mirror. It was too little, too late. Hurley supported Cox but that also means Hurley shoulders part of the Cox hire blame. We were the number 1 ranked team in New England and a Top 25 Top Tier A10 Program when Hurley left. Downhill ever since.

[Jersey77]

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

Once UConn came calling Hurley was going regardless of any enhancements that would have been in-place.
I doubt very much that URI was ever going to be his final destination.
Also, at the time not sure what Thorr would have been able to get done, don't think he had final say.

[ramster]

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

Once UConn came calling Hurley was going regardless of any enhancements that would have been in-place.
I doubt very much that URI was ever going to be his final destination.
Also, at the time not sure what Thorr would have been able to get done, don't think he had final say.

Respectively disagree 100%.

But even iff your are right and if Hurley was going to go regardless, then it makes even more sense for Thorr and Dooley to put their heads together and offer Hurley a strong pay and benefits package including a high quality practice facility. What did they have to lose if as you say Hurley was going regardless? Put on your poker face and bluff away. At least all could say Thorr and Dooley did all they possibly could to keep Hurley. As it played out they did too little too late and they know it.

[RhowdyRam02]

Also putting more money and upgrades to keep Hurley here would have avoided the need to hire a moot point

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

What exactly could Thorr have done? He had already taken an innovative step to keep Hurley up to that point by getting a loan from the Foundation using future gate receipts that he figured we'd see an increase in. Thorr couldn't do the things you wanted him to do without money, or the promise of same. You can blame the donors for waiting until the very end to promise things instead of getting the ball rolling after the first tournament run if you're going to blame anyone. Good news is they seem to have gotten the memo leading into Thorr hiring Archie

[Jersey77]

Agreed on this point. I think Thorr made a serious error in not making a substantial further investment in the program IMMEDIATELY after the 2017 A-10 Tournament championship and NCAA run. I think just being happy getting there and not providing a reward with a contribution to future continued success helped to push Hurley into contemplating other opportunities. This inaction brought about a wandering eye for Hurley setting the stage for his potential departure. All the enticements that Bjorn offered Dan at the end in 2018 was too little too late. In the end, Hurley might perhaps have still left but I think an earlier commitment would have at least lessened the chances.

Once UConn came calling Hurley was going regardless of any enhancements that would have been in-place.
I doubt very much that URI was ever going to be his final destination.
Also, at the time not sure what Thorr would have been able to get done, don't think he had final say.

Respectively disagree 100%.

But even iff your are right and if Hurley was going to go regardless, then it makes even more sense for Thorr and Dooley to put their heads together and offer Hurley a strong pay and benefits package including a high quality practice facility. What did they have to lose if as you say Hurley was going regardless? Put on your poker face and bluff away. At least all could say Thorr and Dooley did all they possibly could to keep Hurley. As it played out they did too little too late and they know it.

Ramster all I am saying is this wasn't going to be Hurley's final landing spot.

Yes, we are all aware that the enhancements were long overdue.
We don't know if Thorr's hands were tied at the time, or about his efforts and lobbying in trying to get it done.
And yes, I am one of the many that agreed with the Cox hire.