Good landing spot for him and relatively close to home.
At this time not sure of our interest in any other transfers or recruits for this season.
We may be standing pat unless we have additional departures.
Good landing spot for him and relatively close to home.
Are you sure?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoYes, I believe that is how it is interpreted and the no sit rule doesn't apply to athletes that transferred in the past.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoOne time transfers moving forward as I understand it.
Do you are telling me that a player who transferred in the past, sat out a year then played at a new school must sit out a year again?
I thought anyone who played this past season can transfer and be immediately eligible. No?
If not I see lawsuits coming which is the driving factor for the NCAA changing the rule in the first place to coincide with other campus sports.
See below.
I believe LeBlanc was granted a waiver, because he transferred close to home at LSU and left Georgetown under bad circumstances.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... demic-year
The players who entered the portal were advised and had the understanding if they would qualify under the new rule.
Even though the twins transferred here prior to the rule change, if they decided to enter the portal again they would need to be granted a waiver to be immediately eligible.
Ramster not 100% sure, but close.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoAre you sure?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoYes, I believe that is how it is interpreted and the no sit rule doesn't apply to athletes that transferred in the past.ramster wrote: ↑3 years ago
One time transfers moving forward as I understand it.
Do you are telling me that a player who transferred in the past, sat out a year then played at a new school must sit out a year again?
I thought anyone who played this past season can transfer and be immediately eligible. No?
If not I see lawsuits coming which is the driving factor for the NCAA changing the rule in the first place to coincide with other campus sports.
See below.
I believe LeBlanc was granted a waiver, because he transferred close to home at LSU and left Georgetown under bad circumstances.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... demic-year
The players who entered the portal were advised and had the understanding if they would qualify under the new rule.
Even though the twins transferred here prior to the rule change, if they decided to enter the portal again they would need to be granted a waiver to be immediately eligible.
I thought last year was a Covid exception.
I thought Makhi Mitchell, Markhel Mitchell, Carey, Martin and Betrand could all transfer from URI without sitting out a year. So you are saying they all would need an NCAA Waiver to avoid sitting out if they chose to leave URI?
Surprise to me. Not sure all 5 of these players would have decided to play last year. I thought there was no disadvantage.
That’s my point. It was a free year. If it was not a free year with the ability to still have the “transfer without sitting in their back pocket” maybe some would not have opted to play. Maybe I’m wrong but I still think Mitchell’s, Martin, Carey and Betrand can transfer without sitting out.Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoRamster not 100% sure, but close.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoAre you sure?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years ago
Yes, I believe that is how it is interpreted and the no sit rule doesn't apply to athletes that transferred in the past.
See below.
I believe LeBlanc was granted a waiver, because he transferred close to home at LSU and left Georgetown under bad circumstances.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... demic-year
The players who entered the portal were advised and had the understanding if they would qualify under the new rule.
Even though the twins transferred here prior to the rule change, if they decided to enter the portal again they would need to be granted a waiver to be immediately eligible.
I thought last year was a Covid exception.
I thought Makhi Mitchell, Markhel Mitchell, Carey, Martin and Betrand could all transfer from URI without sitting out a year. So you are saying they all would need an NCAA Waiver to avoid sitting out if they chose to leave URI?
Surprise to me. Not sure all 5 of these players would have decided to play last year. I thought there was no disadvantage.
There was no disadvantage for them playing, it was free year regardless.
Josh LeBlanc will be one if he plays in November which I expect he will. Transferred from Georgetown to LSU, played last year and is transferring again. I’ll look for more examples.
There is a chance he may be able to play in November as with other multiple transfers, but I believe they would have to go through the waiver process to be immediately eligible.
It was a free year regarding immediate eligibility and getting an additional year, but they still have to conform to the transfer rules.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoThat’s my point. It was a free year. If it was not a free year with the ability to still have the “transfer without sitting in their back pocket” maybe some would not have opted to play. Maybe I’m wrong but I still think Mitchell’s, Martin, Carey and Betrand can transfer without sitting out.Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoRamster not 100% sure, but close.ramster wrote: ↑3 years ago
Are you sure?
I thought last year was a Covid exception.
I thought Makhi Mitchell, Markhel Mitchell, Carey, Martin and Betrand could all transfer from URI without sitting out a year. So you are saying they all would need an NCAA Waiver to avoid sitting out if they chose to leave URI?
Surprise to me. Not sure all 5 of these players would have decided to play last year. I thought there was no disadvantage.
There was no disadvantage for them playing, it was free year regardless.
True. The rule change came from mounting lawsuits. All sports do not have equal transfer rules. One day all of the college sports will have the same transfer rules - just a matter of time, and lawsuits. NCAA is losing control just like the recent 9-0 Supreme Court decision indicates for NIL.
Yes, I agree and don't see him coming here.
I’d argue the bigger issue here seems to be evaluating HS talent rather than keeping it. How many of the guys on this list would you even still want in a URI uniform? 2?STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
I am okay with it, and comfortable with how he constructed the roster (at least for now).STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Seriously?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoI am okay with it, and comfortable with how he constructed the roster (at least for now).STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Fair point, Tyrese and Toppin are the only two guys I'd like to have back. The poor talent evaluation and subsequent lack of retention from these two classes is glaring, especially when factoring in URI was riding the wave of back to back Round of 32 appearances.KingstonLane wrote: ↑3 years agoI’d argue the bigger issue here seems to be evaluating HS talent rather than keeping it. How many of the guys on this list would you even still want in a URI uniform? 2?STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Ya I mean most people on this board I think could agree on this. Tyrese and Toppin are the only two you’d even want here. And they got offers from Uconn and Kentucky. Welcome to modern day college basketball. We didn’t lose them to slightly better mid majors or low power 5 teams. They went to true college basketball blue bloods.STC wrote: ↑3 years agoFair point, Tyrese and Toppin are the only two guys I'd like to have back. The poor talent evaluation and subsequent lack of retention from these two classes is glaring, especially when factoring in URI was riding the wave of back to back Round of 32 appearances.KingstonLane wrote: ↑3 years agoI’d argue the bigger issue here seems to be evaluating HS talent rather than keeping it. How many of the guys on this list would you even still want in a URI uniform? 2?STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Absolutely, as I said for now.theblueram wrote: ↑3 years agoSeriously?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoI am okay with it, and comfortable with how he constructed the roster (at least for now).STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
What?Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoAbsolutely, as I said for now.
I want to see how this core group performs going forward before throwing stones.
The biggest swap this season was Bozeman for Sutton, which I think is an upgrade.
I was a little discouraged at first also, but after evaluating things I am okay with what transpired.Blue Man wrote: ↑3 years agoWhat?
How are you OK with a coach who cannot evaluate high school talent/recruits? So much of college basketball is recruiting.
I get that it's a new time and transfers will be a key component moving forward, but that shouldn't be 100% of your roster. You have to be able to recruit/retain a core, and no joke Cox is yet to keep ONE recruited player not named Jermaine Harris here for more than 2 seasons. IN THREE CONSECUTIVE CLASSES. How can you feel confident if every single season you have to roll the dice on what the transfer portal is going to present you if you can't keep a core roster together?
I mean this board pretty much excused most of our recent failings as an issue of "needing more time to gel" so now we need to be OK with getting a brand new roster every 2 years? Do we get to keep hearing the "they need more time to gel" excuse every time our roster resets at the end of a season?
There are literally ZERO players on the 2021 roster who finished the year on the 2019 roster. Only 3 graduated. THREE.
It's a brave new world with this transfer rule...but cmon, at some point this is a fair criticism to lay at the feet of the head coach.
An even bigger swap would have been Bozeman for Cox. This "core" of transfers isn't going to work. If Cox can't recruit and keep good players, he needs to be shown the door.Jersey77 wrote: ↑3 years agoAbsolutely, as I said for now.
I want to see how this core group performs going forward before throwing stones.
The biggest swap this season was Bozeman for Sutton, which I think is an upgrade.
Have a little more patience Blueram, Cox is still a relatively new HC and these haven't been exactly normal circumstances.theblueram wrote: ↑3 years agoAn even bigger swap would have been Bozeman for Cox. This "core" of transfers isn't going to work. If Cox can't recruit and keep good players, he needs to be shown the door.
I'd add Long to this as well - not as talented or flashy as Martin or Toppin, but the type of under the radar hard nosed player you need on a successful team.STC wrote: ↑3 years agoFair point, Tyrese and Toppin are the only two guys I'd like to have back. The poor talent evaluation and subsequent lack of retention from these two classes is glaring, especially when factoring in URI was riding the wave of back to back Round of 32 appearances.KingstonLane wrote: ↑3 years agoI’d argue the bigger issue here seems to be evaluating HS talent rather than keeping it. How many of the guys on this list would you even still want in a URI uniform? 2?STC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
He's also shown he's not very good at 'gelling'.Blue Man wrote: ↑3 years agoWhat?
How are you OK with a coach who cannot evaluate high school talent/recruits? So much of college basketball is recruiting.
I get that it's a new time and transfers will be a key component moving forward, but that shouldn't be 100% of your roster. You have to be able to recruit/retain a core, and no joke Cox is yet to keep ONE recruited player not named Jermaine Harris here for more than 2 seasons. IN THREE CONSECUTIVE CLASSES. How can you feel confident if every single season you have to roll the dice on what the transfer portal is going to present you if you can't keep a core roster together?
I mean this board pretty much excused most of our recent failings as an issue of "needing more time to gel" so now we need to be OK with getting a brand new roster every 2 years? Do we get to keep hearing the "they need more time to gel" excuse every time our roster resets at the end of a season?
There are literally ZERO players on the 2021 roster who finished the year on the 2019 roster. Only 3 graduated. THREE.
It's a brave new world with this transfer rule...but cmon, at some point this is a fair criticism to lay at the feet of the head coach.
Lol Cockburn and the twins...Seawrightspostgame wrote: ↑3 years ago Cockburn? In the portal?
Where is URI with NIL going live?? I don’t see anything. Get these kids some endorsements.
Back to Cockburn, sign him to cvs and slap a URI jersey on his back.
I don’t think any school has publicly addressed/associated with these endorsements today.Seawrightspostgame wrote: ↑3 years ago Cockburn? In the portal?
Where is URI with NIL going live?? I don’t see anything. Get these kids some endorsements.
Back to Cockburn, sign him to cvs and slap a URI jersey on his back.
In 2018 you left out Brandon Adams (replaced by Omar) and Aris Tsourgiannis, so basically 0 for 9.5. And that's just his guys, it doesn't count the inherited guys that didn't finish hereSTC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Yea I’m kidding about cvs but also it wouldn’t hurt to be out front with a big brand. I’m sure big sports apparel brands will quickly sign kids within the month.KingstonLane wrote: ↑3 years agoI don’t think any school has publicly addressed/associated with these endorsements today.Seawrightspostgame wrote: ↑3 years ago Cockburn? In the portal?
Where is URI with NIL going live?? I don’t see anything. Get these kids some endorsements.
Back to Cockburn, sign him to cvs and slap a URI jersey on his back.
Sure the top 20-50 influential athletes in the country will get national brand deals, but besides that who is paying a kid at a state school with a couple thousand followers? Noah Fernandes at UMASS is a good example of what a URI player can expect - a deal with a local moving company
I feel like Harris was the only player of those 8 that was open to working within a teamRhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 years agoIn 2018 you left out Brandon Adams (replaced by Omar) and Aris Tsourgiannis, so basically 0 for 9.5. And that's just his guys, it doesn't count the inherited guys that didn't finish hereSTC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
.. think we should be thinking of who would play the small forward or third guard- aside from Martin , we are hoping Carey , or Inexperienced Tres or freshman Ileyero. Sure hope Cox is looking hard at this need !
Waiver process still in place.
Didn't Cox get the job because of a clause Slithering Sleazy Snake Hurley had written into Cox's contract? IIRC, the clause said that if URI didn't hire Cox in the event SSSH left Cox was entitled to a six-figure payout.Cameron_Dollar wrote: ↑3 years ago It's ironic that he got the job because the majority of this board was gaga over the recruiting class and not developing nor retaining any of them could lead to his demise. There is a lesson to be learned here. Ideally you want a coach that can both recruit and develop talent but given the choice, it always better to have the latter.
Not a freshman, but DJ is a guy who took up a scholarship for two years, played only one, and then dropped down to a more appropriate level. Staffs have to value roster spots. Players transferring out tend to leave unexpected openings, many of which have to be filled late. If you’re happy a guy left, it’s a recruiting issue. If you’re mad, it’s more of a player retention/development concern. The transfer rules may make it easier to not miss on a late addition because there’s at least some college experience to see, but if that’s the way they’re going to go, the staff needs to adjust more quickly to optimize the talent.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 years agoIn 2018 you left out Brandon Adams (replaced by Omar) and Aris Tsourgiannis, so basically 0 for 9.5. And that's just his guys, it doesn't count the inherited guys that didn't finish hereSTC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
Exactly. The Brandon Adams to Omar Silverio transition is the perfect example of that. By having excessive transfers even within this current environment the staff has constantly been chasing players and in many cases that leads to more transfers further down the line because you're bringing in back up plans or late signings that you might not have previously believed could play at this levelace wrote: ↑2 years agoNot a freshman, but DJ is a guy who took up a scholarship for two years, played only one, and then dropped down to a more appropriate level. Staffs have to value roster spots. Players transferring out tend to leave unexpected openings, many of which have to be filled late. If you’re happy a guy left, it’s a recruiting issue. If you’re mad, it’s more of a player retention/development concern. The transfer rules may make it easier to not miss on a late addition because there’s at least some college experience to see, but if that’s the way they’re going to go, the staff needs to adjust more quickly to optimize the talent.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 years agoIn 2018 you left out Brandon Adams (replaced by Omar) and Aris Tsourgiannis, so basically 0 for 9.5. And that's just his guys, it doesn't count the inherited guys that didn't finish hereSTC wrote: ↑3 years ago If I'm not mistaken, this now means Cox is 0 for 8 between the 2018 and 2019 recruiting cycles in retaining HS recruits (non-transfer). I understand the transfer landscape has shifted, but you can't build a culture/program if you literally can't retain your own guys.
2018:
Jermaine Harris
Dana Tate
Tyrese Martin
Omar Silverio
2019:
Mekhi Long
Greg Hammond
Marial Mading
Jacob Toppin
How is that Hurley's fault? He didn't sneak into Mackal late one night and swap contracts and say you've got no choice but to hire him now if I leave. Thorr didn't have to agree to add that clause and/or could have had a lower buyoutRhode_Island_Red wrote: ↑2 years agoDidn't Cox get the job because of a clause Slithering Sleazy Snake Hurley had written into Cox's contract? IIRC, the clause said that if URI didn't hire Cox in the event SSSH left Cox was entitled to a six-figure payout.Cameron_Dollar wrote: ↑3 years ago It's ironic that he got the job because the majority of this board was gaga over the recruiting class and not developing nor retaining any of them could lead to his demise. There is a lesson to be learned here. Ideally you want a coach that can both recruit and develop talent but given the choice, it always better to have the latter.
You are on the right track — I read an article last night identifying the opportunities for 4 different football programs:Seawrightspostgame wrote: ↑3 years agoYea I’m kidding about cvs but also it wouldn’t hurt to be out front with a big brand. I’m sure big sports apparel brands will quickly sign kids within the month.KingstonLane wrote: ↑3 years agoI don’t think any school has publicly addressed/associated with these endorsements today.Seawrightspostgame wrote: ↑3 years ago Cockburn? In the portal?
Where is URI with NIL going live?? I don’t see anything. Get these kids some endorsements.
Back to Cockburn, sign him to cvs and slap a URI jersey on his back.
Sure the top 20-50 influential athletes in the country will get national brand deals, but besides that who is paying a kid at a state school with a couple thousand followers? Noah Fernandes at UMASS is a good example of what a URI player can expect - a deal with a local moving company