Now we're talking Harrick 2.0?xcrun wrote:Is Pitino available? Let's get someone good.
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Now we're talking Harrick 2.0?xcrun wrote:Is Pitino available? Let's get someone good.
That process needs to take place now. Out in the open. Transparent. It's not something that can take place BEFORE Hurley left, by definition.ATPTourFan wrote:Your assumption that Thorr hasn't done this is the massive flaw in your position. We have given you concrete examples of successful internal hires at programs we would want to emulate. We haven't had a qualified candidate to execute such a hire in the last several decades. We do now.
Thorr has Cox on the list along with others. This process is NOT unlike how Thorr got Hurley. You don't think Thorr had a back-up plan if Dan didn't come here?
This, hahah This seriously made my laugh out loud.xcrun wrote:Is Pitino available? Let's get someone good.
I'm not saying you're trolling, but you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. Cox is not Jerry D, and it is a fucking insult to Cox's experience and quality as a coach to even make the suggestion. Get someone good...uh, buddy, Cox is someone good.xcrun wrote:
And saying not supporting Cox is trolling is just wrong. We don't want a Jerry D situation. Honestly get someone good. Is Pitino available?
Maybe you are right. Maybe the key is to keep donating. I don't know.
And yes we probably need to build the Athletics practice facility which has been on the back burner for a year.
At this point, I'm for it. Can't beat 'em, join 'em. The good guys don't want to build good things anymore, apparently. Unfortunate.RamIt! wrote:Now we're talking Harrick 2.0?xcrun wrote:Is Pitino available? Let's get someone good.
UConn is in a conference comparable to URI's. UConn is in a terrible location. There is no room to grow at UConn as if you win great they already won 4 times without you. I look at UConn as a no-win situation. I felt all along that it was a terrible job and am honestly shocked that he took it.sandman012 wrote:then you aren't seeing clearlyscine20 wrote: The only difference I can see between URI and UConn is the money he was offered.
Nah my monthly donation gets pulled on the 15th, like it has for the past 6 years.Not Mike Powell wrote:It'd be a real shame if Hurley withdrew all the money that Blue Man donated these past couple days. Real shame.
Yes, despite Blue Man's closeness to the program and even the Hurleys, he has perspective that this program is now in a whole new world of operations, thanks to Dan Hurley.Obadiah wrote:After reading this thread continually, my belief is that Blue Man has offered up the best perspective on the URI program on all aspects, from Dan Hurley's contributions, to prospects on the new coach, on the need for the University to think bigger on funding the BB program and not waiting for Hurley's departure to act and the need for a growing donor base and giving to URI Athletics especially basketball. Kudos to him.
While I agree with this, the only reason Dan had buzz when he arrived was his last name. What lower level Head coaches have buzz right now...Oates and Odom? Besides those 2 who else would create buzz? Are you thinking we could get someone like Thad Matta?jcru wrote:When Hurley was hired, we used to talk about "Buzz"
Penders had buzz
Skinner, after about a 4 year rebuilding, had some buzz
Harrick had buzz
DeGregorio had no buzz
Baron had no buzz
Hurley had buzz
Does this upcoming hire have Buzz? Does it excite anyone who isn't close to the Athletics Dept who thinks Thorr cannot fail, even thought he's doing the complete opposite as last time? Does it excite ANYONE out there covering college basketball? Does it excite anyone outside of this forum?
Without buzz, no donations, no interest, no nothing. Apathy. Smallball
This is exactly where I'm at right now. You can make a very fair case that he's the third or fourth most important coach in our history. Keaney is the unquestioned number one. We don't have a Ryan Center without Harrick, so he's number two. Then it's between Skinner and Hurley. Skinner laid the foundation for the roster Harrick succeeded with, Hurley took our program into modern times. I'd have Penders fifth, because despite the Sweet Sixteen year, he only gave us Skinner as his lasting contribution.TruePoint wrote:I think it is time to abandon that narrative. He was committed here when the institutional support and the fan support were admittedly lacking, and when they start to catch up that is when he pulls the escape hatch? He talked about those things because he thought URI couldn't or wouldn't do them and it would be easy to pin his eventual departure on that. Here, though, the school actually (somehow) came up with a package we never would have committed to in the past - they called his bluff. And he bounced.Blue Man wrote:Completely wrong. He wanted the same commitment to the program that he gave. UConn was willing to do that. We can’t. We don’t have fans or donors that value this like they do.URI_05 wrote:He’s just like the rest of them. Just talked a better game.
It will look like he took the money but that’s just his agent doing agent things. This was on all the enhancements they were willing to do that we can’t or won’t.
Charters to all games are great. What about charters to recruiting visits? Being able to pay your assistant coaches more is great. What about paying them enough where they view the job as a destination instead of needed to rehire every year or two? A plan for a practice facility is great. What about actually having one?
Plus the fan base. Ours sucks as a basketball school. It took 6 years, 2 A10 titles, and 2 NCAA victories for us to finally feel like wow maybe next year we’ll sell out our games. He’ll get that support from day one when he should’ve gotten that here.
Remember this feeling, and remember yesterday when so many people all of a sudden started to donate.
I guess the Baron 2.0 crowd finally got their wish though so there’s that.
No hard feelings toward Dan, I ain't mad. This is the way the business works. Don't blame it on the fans, or the school. I don't think other posters should blame it on Dan, either. These are the laws of nature that govern college sports. Talk of how those laws don't apply to you is branding. The goal has to be to build URI basketball program to a point where these laws of nature work for us, not against us. Dan could have done that if he really was #different, but he's not so we will have to figure it out ourselves - with the next coach, and if necessary the one after that and the one after that.
URI wasn't going to go from VCR film sessions to budgets bigger than UConn's overnight; Dan knew that and so did anyone else paying attention. Once you accept that, we can get over blaming the school and the fans - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do once one of these jobs came for him if he wasn't all-in on the long term plan to build this. And his not being all-in for that doesn't make him a bad guy, it just makes him exactly like all the other coaches.
None of that take away from what did Dan at this place and for this place. Even just the last two years were worth all of the investments of time and money, but that isn't all we got out of this deal. This is now a much, much better job and program than it was when he got here. We should always be thankful for that, but we should also let the mythmaking stuff about Hurley die a natural and dignified death and move on.
Rhody will be back.
Why so different from 6 years ago? What changed? Are we not happy with the results of 6 years ago? Do we resent other people voicing their opinions on who should be hired?ATPTourFan wrote:And jcru, you are just unaware of how the process works nowadays. There will be no open, transparent Search Committee meeting on the second floor of the Library. Thorr has a short list. He is now free to aggressively target whoever he believes is our best option. None of it needs to be public. I'm absolutely sure I trust Thorr's judgment in hiring a basketball coach.
This whole post gets it.TruePoint wrote:I think it is time to abandon that narrative. He was committed here when the institutional support and the fan support were admittedly lacking, and when they start to catch up that is when he pulls the escape hatch? He talked about those things because he thought URI couldn't or wouldn't do them and it would be easy to pin his eventual departure on that. Here, though, the school actually (somehow) came up with a package we never would have committed to in the past - they called his bluff. And he bounced.Blue Man wrote:Completely wrong. He wanted the same commitment to the program that he gave. UConn was willing to do that. We can’t. We don’t have fans or donors that value this like they do.URI_05 wrote:He’s just like the rest of them. Just talked a better game.
It will look like he took the money but that’s just his agent doing agent things. This was on all the enhancements they were willing to do that we can’t or won’t.
Charters to all games are great. What about charters to recruiting visits? Being able to pay your assistant coaches more is great. What about paying them enough where they view the job as a destination instead of needed to rehire every year or two? A plan for a practice facility is great. What about actually having one?
Plus the fan base. Ours sucks as a basketball school. It took 6 years, 2 A10 titles, and 2 NCAA victories for us to finally feel like wow maybe next year we’ll sell out our games. He’ll get that support from day one when he should’ve gotten that here.
Remember this feeling, and remember yesterday when so many people all of a sudden started to donate.
I guess the Baron 2.0 crowd finally got their wish though so there’s that.
No hard feelings toward Dan, I ain't mad. This is the way the business works. Don't blame it on the fans, or the school. I don't think other posters should blame it on Dan, either. These are the laws of nature that govern college sports. Talk of how those laws don't apply to you is branding. The goal has to be to build URI basketball program to a point where these laws of nature work for us, not against us. Dan could have done that if he really was #different, but he's not so we will have to figure it out ourselves - with the next coach, and if necessary the one after that and the one after that.
URI wasn't going to go from VCR film sessions to budgets bigger than UConn's overnight; Dan knew that and so did anyone else paying attention. Once you accept that, we can get over blaming the school and the fans - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do once one of these jobs came for him if he wasn't all-in on the long term plan to build this. And his not being all-in for that doesn't make him a bad guy, it just makes him exactly like all the other coaches.
None of that take away from what did Dan at this place and for this place. Even just the last two years were worth all of the investments of time and money, but that isn't all we got out of this deal. This is now a much, much better job and program than it was when he got here. We should always be thankful for that, but we should also let the mythmaking stuff about Hurley die a natural and dignified death and move on.
Rhody will be back.
Dude. Thorr is not going to ask your personal opinion on each candidate he is going to interview and see if you feel as though they have "buzz" (whatever the fuck that is).jcru wrote:Why so different from 6 years ago? What changed? Are we not happy with the results of 6 years ago? Do we resent other people voicing their opinions on who should be hired?ATPTourFan wrote:And jcru, you are just unaware of how the process works nowadays. There will be no open, transparent Search Committee meeting on the second floor of the Library. Thorr has a short list. He is now free to aggressively target whoever he believes is our best option. None of it needs to be public. I'm absolutely sure I trust Thorr's judgment in hiring a basketball coach.
*slaps forehead*TruePoint wrote:We don't need buzz right now.
Who were the people we were looking at other than Hurley? There was no one else at the time. I agree with your underlying idea that we need a real search, it sounds like the athletic department does as well despite Cox being coach in waiting. But you're giving traits to the Hurley search that didn't exist and expecting us to follow a process that never happenedjcru wrote:That process needs to take place now. Out in the open. Transparent. It's not something that can take place BEFORE Hurley left, by definition.ATPTourFan wrote:Your assumption that Thorr hasn't done this is the massive flaw in your position. We have given you concrete examples of successful internal hires at programs we would want to emulate. We haven't had a qualified candidate to execute such a hire in the last several decades. We do now.
Thorr has Cox on the list along with others. This process is NOT unlike how Thorr got Hurley. You don't think Thorr had a back-up plan if Dan didn't come here?
So, let's see it. Let's see the names, let's report on the interviews.
If Thorr isn't willing to do that, then he may have changed from the guy that hired Hurley six years ago. It happens. The Ron Petro that hired Harrick, wasn't the same Ron Petro that hired Jerry D and Jim Baron, by a long shot. I hope that hasn't happened here, but fast tracking a coach behind the scenes doesn't bode well, ATP
Was just thinking how lucky we are that he hires two coaches. Guy gets it.ATPTourFan wrote:Yes, despite Blue Man's closeness to the program and even the Hurleys, he has perspective that this program is now in a whole new world of operations, thanks to Dan Hurley.Obadiah wrote:After reading this thread continually, my belief is that Blue Man has offered up the best perspective on the URI program on all aspects, from Dan Hurley's contributions, to prospects on the new coach, on the need for the University to think bigger on funding the BB program and not waiting for Hurley's departure to act and the need for a growing donor base and giving to URI Athletics especially basketball. Kudos to him.
Dan Hurley challenged and dragged this stagnant/dead program from the ashes into a destination championship caliber job. As he exits, the Administration is now willing and ABLE to provide his successor keys to a program that will operate at a level not even Hurley was able to experience (all charters, practice facility, bigger coaches pool, etc etc).
Thank you, Coach Hurley!
And jcru, you are just unaware of how the process works nowadays. There will be no open, transparent Search Committee meeting on the second floor of the Library. Thorr has a short list. He is now free to aggressively target whoever he believes is our best option. None of it needs to be public. I'm absolutely sure I trust Thorr's judgment in hiring a basketball coach.
I'm not the one cursing, so I'm not the one who is mad. I'm just challenging the consensus on this websitesf2010 wrote:Dude. Thorr is not going to ask your personal opinion on each candidate he is going to interview and see if you feel as though they have "buzz" (whatever the fuck that is).
Cox will be one of several people interviewed. Don't get mad just because you're not invited to sit it on them.
this, we need to avoid having our momentum stallTruePoint wrote:Buzz is cool if you're trying to resuscitate a dead program. We don't need buzz right now. The program has created enough of its own buzz on the court. What we need is someone with the technical capacity to move the program forward and build on the great work done here by the last coach.
Part of it is the world can change a lot in 6 years. Part of it is that URI is just in a MUCH different situation than it was 6 years ago. Our needs are different, in terms of a hire.jcru wrote:Why so different from 6 years ago? What changed? Are we not happy with the results of 6 years ago? Do we resent other people voicing their opinions on who should be hired?ATPTourFan wrote:And jcru, you are just unaware of how the process works nowadays. There will be no open, transparent Search Committee meeting on the second floor of the Library. Thorr has a short list. He is now free to aggressively target whoever he believes is our best option. None of it needs to be public. I'm absolutely sure I trust Thorr's judgment in hiring a basketball coach.
I curse all the time, not just when I'm mad. It's a personal flaw of mine.jcru wrote:I'm not the one cursing, so I'm not the one who is mad. I'm just challenging the consensus on this websitesf2010 wrote:Dude. Thorr is not going to ask your personal opinion on each candidate he is going to interview and see if you feel as though they have "buzz" (whatever the fuck that is).
Cox will be one of several people interviewed. Don't get mad just because you're not invited to sit it on them.
Hope it woke you up.jcru wrote:*slaps forehead*TruePoint wrote:We don't need buzz right now.
No, no, no.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Who were the people we were looking at other than Hurley? There was no one else at the time. I agree with your underlying idea that we need a real search, it sounds like the athletic department does as well despite Cox being coach in waiting. But you're giving traits to the Hurley search that didn't exist and expecting us to follow a process that never happened
I disagree. I do not think Cox is good. I think we need a big named hire now. I'm fine with someone dirty if they will win. Maybe someone who does get Technical fouls that cost is games.TruePoint wrote:I'm not saying you're trolling, but you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. Cox is not Jerry D, and it is a fucking insult to Cox's experience and quality as a coach to even make the suggestion. Get someone good...uh, buddy, Cox is someone good.xcrun wrote:
And saying not supporting Cox is trolling is just wrong. We don't want a Jerry D situation. Honestly get someone good. Is Pitino available?
Maybe you are right. Maybe the key is to keep donating. I don't know.
And yes we probably need to build the Athletics practice facility which has been on the back burner for a year.
The idea behind wanting continuity isn't just about "appeasing" the players. What has been going on here for the last number of years is clearly working. Yes, the players and the recruiting, but all of the other basketball and non-basketball things with the program are working well enough that they are worth trying to preserve and carry forward.
I think this is key. I was over the moon when we landed Hurley. Hurley was the hottest name for open coaching jobs after what he did at Wagner. It didn't take some huge in-depth search to uncover somebody that no one else knew about.TruePoint wrote: Also, please do not believe that we "discovered" Dan Hurley through some sort of deep drag of the basketball coaching world. He was the identified candidate to come here from the jump when we fired Baron. So in reality, the process is not as different as you are assuming.
I wouldn't expect a series with UConn when he would be coaching against some of the players that he coached here. Maybe in three plus years that will changethe_one_mike wrote:Also... regarding Danny's commitment to URI... if we don't build a rivalry game with UConn within the first two seasons. He's full of shit. That's another way he can help our program's outreach, by improving UConn's relations with New England schools. They don't play anyone OOC, especially us or PC.
At this point, I'm for it. Can't beat 'em, join 'em. The good guys don't want to build good things anymore, apparently. Unfortunate.RamIt! wrote:Now we're talking Harrick 2.0?xcrun wrote:Is Pitino available? Let's get someone good.
Hold up. Are you seriously suggesting that Thorr put the names he's considering out there for the public for the sole purpose of seeing who KeaneyBlue likes?????jcru wrote: THAT's what we should have now. Throw the names out, so you can see who the board likes and does not like.
It's this. Fact is, we got what we payed for from a basketball perspective, if not more so. On the rhetoric front, we got played. We bought into some very compelling branding that this coach was different, that family and loyalty were more important than the sort of things that drive all of the other coaches. It was a great pitch, especially for biggest little state and its grads who love this place but often walk around with the biggest little chips on our shoulders about getting overlooked for places with more money and more fans. And we got played. Not in the wins department, or in the building of the program, those things are both measurably and immeasurably better off now. But I think it would be hard even for Dan's most ardent fan to counter the fact that a lot of those platitudes about loyalty and family ring pretty hollow today.TruePoint wrote:I think it is time to abandon that narrative. He was committed here when the institutional support and the fan support were admittedly lacking, and when they start to catch up that is when he pulls the escape hatch? He talked about those things because he thought URI couldn't or wouldn't do them and it would be easy to pin his eventual departure on that. Here, though, the school actually (somehow) came up with a package we never would have committed to in the past - they called his bluff. And he bounced.Blue Man wrote:Completely wrong. He wanted the same commitment to the program that he gave. UConn was willing to do that. We can’t. We don’t have fans or donors that value this like they do.URI_05 wrote:He’s just like the rest of them. Just talked a better game.
It will look like he took the money but that’s just his agent doing agent things. This was on all the enhancements they were willing to do that we can’t or won’t.
Charters to all games are great. What about charters to recruiting visits? Being able to pay your assistant coaches more is great. What about paying them enough where they view the job as a destination instead of needed to rehire every year or two? A plan for a practice facility is great. What about actually having one?
Plus the fan base. Ours sucks as a basketball school. It took 6 years, 2 A10 titles, and 2 NCAA victories for us to finally feel like wow maybe next year we’ll sell out our games. He’ll get that support from day one when he should’ve gotten that here.
Remember this feeling, and remember yesterday when so many people all of a sudden started to donate.
I guess the Baron 2.0 crowd finally got their wish though so there’s that.
No hard feelings toward Dan, I ain't mad. This is the way the business works. Don't blame it on the fans, or the school. I don't think other posters should blame it on Dan, either. These are the laws of nature that govern college sports. Talk of how those laws don't apply to you is branding. The goal has to be to build URI basketball program to a point where these laws of nature work for us, not against us. Dan could have done that if he really was #different, but he's not so we will have to figure it out ourselves - with the next coach, and if necessary the one after that and the one after that.
URI wasn't going to go from VCR film sessions to budgets bigger than UConn's overnight; Dan knew that and so did anyone else paying attention. Once you accept that, we can get over blaming the school and the fans - there was nothing we were ever going to be able to do once one of these jobs came for him if he wasn't all-in on the long term plan to build this. And his not being all-in for that doesn't make him a bad guy, it just makes him exactly like all the other coaches.
None of that take away from what did Dan at this place and for this place. Even just the last two years were worth all of the investments of time and money, but that isn't all we got out of this deal. This is now a much, much better job and program than it was when he got here. We should always be thankful for that, but we should also let the mythmaking stuff about Hurley die a natural and dignified death and move on.
Rhody will be back.
Totally agree, except I do agree with folks who are salty, feeling a bit duped by Dan; and the dubious sentiments about the UConn program. It just didnt seem like a destination program. Dan feels differently. In my mind, only his choice to go to UConn and some of his 'family' talk have me feeling bitter.Obadiah wrote:After reading this thread continually, my belief is that Blue Man has offered up the best perspective on the URI program on all aspects, from Dan Hurley's contributions, to prospects on the new coach, on the need for the University to think bigger on funding the BB program and not waiting for Hurley's departure to act and the need for a growing donor base and giving to URI Athletics especially basketball. Kudos to him.
So as not to offend your delicate sensibilities - that's fu**** upxcrun wrote:I'm fine with someone dirty if they will win.
Also, I didn't think we could swear on here.
Who cares who the board likes? The quickest way to end up sitting with fans is to manage how they want you to. And how does talking on a message board equate to the athletic department having a search? I assure you they didn't hire Dan because we reached a consensus on this board. Your post makes no sensejcru wrote:No, no, no.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Who were the people we were looking at other than Hurley? There was no one else at the time. I agree with your underlying idea that we need a real search, it sounds like the athletic department does as well despite Cox being coach in waiting. But you're giving traits to the Hurley search that didn't exist and expecting us to follow a process that never happened
We did have a real search 6 years ago. It's just that when Hurley's name came up that he was interested, the board quickly gravitated to him.
THAT's what we should have now. Throw the names out, so you can see who the board likes and does not like.
We always had that in the past. What the fan base likes, yes. Not go into the bowels of Keaney or the Ryan and get a backdoor deal done before anyone can raise a concernsf2010 wrote:jcru wrote:Hold up. Are you seriously suggesting that Thorr put the names he's considering out there for the public for the sole purpose of seeing who KeaneyBlue likes?????
That's not entirely true. We have always had a message board of some kind, since 1996. And since then, they have always sampled our opinions to get a grasp of how things would be received. It's not the be all, end all, but they always valued our opinion in the past. THIS would be something new.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Who cares who the board likes? The quickest way to end up sitting with fans is to manage how they want you to. And how does talking on a message board equate to the athletic department having a search? I assure you they didn't hire Dan because we reached a consensus on this board. Your post makes no sense
What a baseless assessment! He’s “not good” based on what? His track record as a assistant and recruiter have him tabbed as one of the best assistant coaches in the country. You are starting to sound like a bitter teenager, and Cox just stole your girl.xcrun wrote:I disagree. I do not think Cox is good. I think we need a big named hire now. I'm fine with someone dirty if they will win. Maybe someone who does get Technical fouls that cost is games.TruePoint wrote:I'm not saying you're trolling, but you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about. Cox is not Jerry D, and it is a fucking insult to Cox's experience and quality as a coach to even make the suggestion. Get someone good...uh, buddy, Cox is someone good.xcrun wrote:
And saying not supporting Cox is trolling is just wrong. We don't want a Jerry D situation. Honestly get someone good. Is Pitino available?
Maybe you are right. Maybe the key is to keep donating. I don't know.
And yes we probably need to build the Athletics practice facility which has been on the back burner for a year.
The idea behind wanting continuity isn't just about "appeasing" the players. What has been going on here for the last number of years is clearly working. Yes, the players and the recruiting, but all of the other basketball and non-basketball things with the program are working well enough that they are worth trying to preserve and carry forward.
Also, I didn't think we could swear on here.
As for the past couple of years no doubt it worked. But we're now rebuilding.
And again, there's a slight attitide difference between those who are friendly with Dan and those who are not. Maybe the reality lies between.
Hard to argue with this, especially given the recency of Dan's quotes. He comes across as a complete hypocrite. And I'm tired of being lectured that it's my responsibility to make generous financial contributions to a college basketball program when I struggle every month to pay my mortgage.RF1 wrote:
It would appear these words were hollow and had no real personal meaning to Dan. He apparently is not like his dad or coaches such as McKillop. He is more like the hotshot coaches always looking for a larger paycheck and bigger stage.