reef wrote:I'm sorry but St Marys going from well unranked to #16 in the country is an absolute travesty. Anybody else agree ??
I'm equally surprised about Florida -- a week ago they lost to a bad Ole Miss team ... this week they beat a mid-level tournament team at home, and then went to Kentucky and won, but Kentucky they AP just said was not good enough to be in the Top 25. Yet Florida goes from 1 vote last week to 366 votes this week.
Two things to remember...
1) The rule of recency: when given a number of data points, people remember things that are most recent.
2) The power of national TV: people see St. Mary's go to Gonzaga and win. People see Florida go to UK (a tough place to win at regardless of how well UK is playing) and win.
URI will start getting some games on NBCSN and ESPN2 here in the coming weeks. Keep winning and they'll continue to rise up the polls. However, keep in mind that if they lay an egg in front of everyone, say bye-bye to the ranking. Established programs can lose some games and keep their ranking. But not programs on the fringe of "big time."
If URI keeps winning for, say, two or three weeks and they gets safely inside the top-25 (i.e., #18 or #19), they may be able to withstand one loss without dropping out of the polls. But if they lose this week or next week, they'll be out and it probably doesn't matter what they do the rest of the way - they won't get back in.
Of course, they don't have to do anything really special the next couple weeks to move up - the way the polls work, if you're in and you win, you'll jump over teams that lose. Some of these teams toward the back end of the top-25 that play in tough conferences will inevitably lose.
"If you build it, they will come." --Us, circa 2011
I’d be shocked if we are in the teens. Don’t see us moving needle that much with wins against Fordham and Duquesne. I think winning at UMass and VCU this week would move us up significantly, simply bc of the name value VCU has with voters.
rjsuperfly66 wrote:
I'm equally surprised about Florida -- a week ago they lost to a bad Ole Miss team ... this week they beat a mid-level tournament team at home, and then went to Kentucky and won, but Kentucky they AP just said was not good enough to be in the Top 25. Yet Florida goes from 1 vote last week to 366 votes this week.
Two things to remember...
1) The rule of recency: when given a number of data points, people remember things that are most recent.
2) The power of national TV: people see St. Mary's go to Gonzaga and win. People see Florida go to UK (a tough place to win at regardless of how well UK is playing) and win.
URI will start getting some games on NBCSN and ESPN2 here in the coming weeks. Keep winning and they'll continue to rise up the polls. However, keep in mind that if they lay an egg in front of everyone, say bye-bye to the ranking. Established programs can lose some games and keep their ranking. But not programs on the fringe of "big time."
If URI keeps winning for, say, two or three weeks and they gets safely inside the top-25 (i.e., #18 or #19), they may be able to withstand one loss without dropping out of the polls. But if they lose this week or next week, they'll be out and it probably doesn't matter what they do the rest of the way - they won't get back in.
Of course, they don't have to do anything really special the next couple weeks to move up - the way the polls work, if you're in and you win, you'll jump over teams that lose. Some of these teams toward the back end of the top-25 that play in tough conferences will inevitably lose.
That's the way it works. One thing to keep in mind is if teams in the "also receiving votes" category, that are from strong conferences, beat highly ranked teams. They can leapfrog us. As can any team below us from a stronger conference that beats ranked teams. It's really hard to go unbeaten in conference play, but we certainly have a shot.
This streak has been so important. I hope they continue to go all out. There are thousands of teams that could have/would have.
Reaching your potential is the key. Not going through the motions and then saying that youre better or that everybody knows youre better than that opponent. Keep working hard and this will continue and go down in the books as a very special year.
Same goes for the coaching staff. So many times people think their best is out ahead of them and really it might just be this season. Look at the Bobby Knights, Champs 76, 81, and 87. Then nothing. Arguably the best team is the '76 team.
Rhody15 wrote:^ Yup 100%. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Kentucky jumps us with their win at WV.
Gary Parrish at CBS advanced Kentucky to 21 ahead of 22 Rhody. I trust his evaluation so we will see if others do the same. We saw Seth Davis being UK in but also advanced Rhody to 20.
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I don’t see Rhody going undefeated in the A10. If they do however, they will be ranked much higher than 20th. It would put their record at 26-3. My guess is they would be around 15th.
A loss at St. Bonnies and/or at VCU wouldn't be crippling. I thought at Davidson wouldn't be a bad loss either, but they've lost 2 straight and aren't as strong as they once looked.
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Rhody15 wrote:A loss at St. Bonnies and/or at VCU wouldn't be crippling. I thought at Davidson wouldn't be a bad loss either, but they've lost 2 straight and aren't as strong as they once looked.
Rhody15 wrote:ESPN power rankings has us at 23, dropping one spot from 22.
Andy Katz has us at 9 in his weekly 36.
9!!!
Not that I think voters should do this, but I wonder if there is some game theory involved here - if he thinks we will get underrated by other voters so he tried to compensate a little to correct what he sees as a mistake in the overall rankings?
"If you build it, they will come." --Us, circa 2011
Rhody15 wrote:ESPN power rankings has us at 23, dropping one spot from 22.
Andy Katz has us at 9 in his weekly 36.
9!!!
Not that I think voters should do this, but I wonder if there is some game theory involved here - if he thinks we will get underrated by other voters so he tried to compensate a little to correct what he sees as a mistake in the overall rankings?
while 9 certainly feels high, I think he's doing a bit of what more voters need to. Look at the resume without a name or conference attached to it:
kentuckys win over WVU made sure we didn't move up much. We should be ahead of Clemson though. They got blown out 61-36 to VA and barely beat a mediocre team in GATECH.
UNC #19 Clemson #20 play tonight so we are guaranteed to move up if we win out this week.
This Jesse Newell guy has 10 of his 25 picks marked Extreme (+/- 5 spots from actual position). Whoa... He's got the Creighton Blue Jays at 18 (they were actually 30th). I smell some Poll Attacks coming soon.
Remember to vote thumbs down on the 4 who didn't vote for Rhody!
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
Billyboy78 wrote:A lot of voters have us in the 19-21 range......very nice!
Not the local guy.
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
How many voters dropped Rhody's ranking after two more wins this past week? I came across one such voter that many here are familiar with. You may even come across paths with him from time to time.
I'm OK if a voter jumped other teams ahead of Rhody. 1-4 spots wiggle room in this subjective process is to be expected from voter to voter. It's the ones that make decisions that can't be easily explained that should be called out. Only 4 (possibly 5) non-believers in Rhody left.
Rhody15 wrote:ESPN power rankings has us at 23, dropping one spot from 22.
Andy Katz has us at 9 in his weekly 36.
9!!!
Not that I think voters should do this, but I wonder if there is some game theory involved here - if he thinks we will get underrated by other voters so he tried to compensate a little to correct what he sees as a mistake in the overall rankings?
while 9 certainly feels high, I think he's doing a bit of what more voters need to. Look at the resume without a name or conference attached to it:
It's worth noting that team sheets for the NCAA tournament committee will now include ESPN's BPI and SOR, KPI, Sagarin and Kenpom ratings which are as follows:
BPI: 31
SOR: 19
KPI: 24
Sagarin: 34
Kenpom: 33
It's great that Katz has us at 9 but I think that's clearly overrating us even with our high RPI.