Canisius/Baron Poll

RhodyRam2011 · Unread post by **RhodyRam2011** » 11 years ago

Listen, I know there are people on this board that we can't stand, and as much as I dislike peeps4life, I couldn't help but read the article posted hebout Baron. It has been bothering me for a while, if this team makes the tourney, I don't think I can even watch. How do you feel?

http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ss ... tryin.html

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Peeps is just being a smartass and busting balls.
Baron inherited a roster with five transfers, including two
6'10" mobile centers, and his best shooter, Sosa. He didn't recruit anybody except
his son. Sound familiar?
So, he looks good with other people's players.
Personally, I hope Canisius loses all their games.

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

come on rod... that's just sour grapes. the man ran a stand up process i mean program for a decade.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Really? Did you know how close this program was this spring to the UConn
GPA penalty?
Do you know about the people with criminal charges that he recruited in his last years here?
Murder, rape, assault. Yeah, real choirboys.
Don't come on our board and try to tell us about how great Baron was.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 11 years ago

I am neutral. I don't wish ill on Coach Baron as many here seem to. His success elsewhere however has no effect on me in either way. He is in the rear view mirror for me. Canisius is probably the right level for him. I would imagine he is much happier there than had he still been in Kingston this season.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Neutral for me. Bottom line for me is that Baron could not make the dance HERE, leading the team I love. I'm just grateful we have so much to look forward to starting next year with Dan and Bobby, Preston and Jimmy running things.

Ryan Rowdy · Unread post by **Ryan Rowdy** » 11 years ago

Neutral.

They play in a weaker conference, and even if they do make it I would feel like our season was still better. I truly find it hard to be mad when Baron leaving gave us The Hurley bros and the bright future.

I heard this in a song before and I tie it to my views on Baron, "I wish him well but want nothing to do with him."

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Really? Did you know how close this program was this spring to the UConn
GPA penalty?
Do you know about the people with criminal charges that he recruited in his last years here?
Murder, rape, assault. Yeah, real choirboys.
Don't come on our board and try to tell us about how great Baron was.

Rod, I love this from the article...............
What Baron inherited was a team that had won just one MAAC game in 2011-12 and five overall, and had not had a winning season in 12 years.
and what exactly did he leave behind here at URI? 7 wins and a bare cupboard for this year?
Please

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

i think you can blame the bare cupboard on the AD... same when welsh left. how was baron supposed to recruit with the common knowledge he was on the hot seat? it's not like he didn't have a pretty good string of years and just couldn't get over the edge. your AD needed to let him go earlier.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

To refresh your convenient loss of memory,
Baron's Fab Five that he brought in last year, was the most ballyhooed class ever at URI.
We all heard how Holton , to quote Bunky, "had potential as big as the Ryan Center", and how all these freshmen,
plus Billy and Andre Malone, were going to take this program to the heights.
So, leave the revisionist crapola elsewhere.

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

pc had the SI article class... i know what you're talking about. but be serious for a minute... your AD has a lot of the blame here too.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

How is Thorr Bjorn responsible for Baron's player all being bustouts?
Harris, Shengalia, Holton, McCoy, and Vedder. Not ONE transfered to another
D-1 program.
People on this board, were telling us Malone was easily going to be the best player on the team.
If any or all of these kids were D-1 players, besides Holton and his criminal problems, the cupboard would not have been bare.
Other than Holton, Hurley wanted no part of Shengalia, Harris, Vedder or McCoy.
How is that the AD's fault, when Baron obviously sucked as a judge of talent?
So, YOU be serious for a minute.

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

soooo... all the other pretty good players he brought in over the years never happened i guess?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Sick to the frigging subject.
We're talking about the cupboard being bare.
You want to blame our AD.
I think you're full of shit.
You want to talk about what Baron left, then talk about that.
Don't be like my ex wife and start bringing in crap that has nothing
to do with the point being discussed.
In fact, if you start talking about my mother, then I'll
know you ARE my ex wife!

RhodyRam2011 · Unread post by **RhodyRam2011** » 11 years ago

As much as I don't want to see Baron do good, it is more because it brings back the pain of us not making tourney. Let's not act like he didn't inherit a terrible program, recuit some good players, and have some really good seasons. He just coudn't break the NCAA Tourney Curse. And he seems to be doing the same thing right now. Got to give the guy a little credit. Let's not all be crazy.

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

so in your mind... having a precarious future as head coach doesn't affect recruiting? the landscape of the a10 and uri basketball didn't change all that much. i doubt he went blind and couldn't evaluate talent. i blame tim welsh for not having the gonads to compete in the new big east expansion landscape, but i blame driscoll more for keeping him into a walk year.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Pat Skerry left. How many good players came after his leaving?
Yeah, Baron was wonderful.
Most losses in URI basketball history. Never lost less than double figures.
Never beat a top 25 team in 11 year.
Four 20 loss seasons. No NCAAs. No NBA players.
He inherited a program two years removed from three straight NCAA, an Elite 8,
an A-10 Championship, two NBA long time career players.
Winning 20 games with a 35 game schedule is no big deal, especially with
the all the cupcakes he scheduled to get to 20 wins. 41% winning percentage in A-10 play.
Annual fades in February.
Yup, he was great.
Anyone who was around to see our Sweet 16 and Elite 8 runs, knows Baronaball was nothing.

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 11 years ago

Canisius is tied for 3rd in the league. We are all well aware that Baron doesn't have a great track record down the stretch in conference play. Let's not punch their ticket to the dance so soon.

RhodyRam2011 · Unread post by **RhodyRam2011** » 11 years ago

He inherited a terrible program and turned it around, and just couldn't get them to the dance which was his downfall (and the players also blew those games down the stretch too). Nobody is saying he was a top tier Div 1 coach. But don't act like the guy is a decent coach. He just took over a terrible program, and has it turned around. This is a realistic point of view. Don't be delirious rod.

RIhoopz14 · Unread post by **RIhoopz14** » 11 years ago

To stick to the facts, Rayvon Harris transferred to Niagara which is a D1 program in the same conference as Canisius

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Pat Skerry left. How many good players came after his leaving?
Yeah, Baron was wonderful.
Most losses in URI basketball history. Never lost less than double figures.
Never beat a top 25 team in 11 year.
Four 20 loss seasons. No NCAAs. No NBA players.
He inherited a program two years removed from three straight NCAA, an Elite 8,
an A-10 Championship, two NBA long time career players.
Winning 20 games with a 35 game schedule is no big deal, especially with
the all the cupcakes he scheduled to get to 20 wins. 41% winning percentage in A-10 play.
Annual fades in February.
Yup, he was great.
Anyone who was around to see our Sweet 16 and Elite 8 runs, knows Baronaball was nothing.

and he inherited Jim Harrick's Legacy - the Ryan Center - one of the premier facilities in the East at the time and it still is. All the ingredients were there to go to the NCAA

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Love how somebody with a few posts comes on here and calls names.
Two words, and it's not happy birthday.
Wow I missed Ravon Harris going to powerhouse Niagara. BFD!

RhodyRam2011 · Unread post by **RhodyRam2011** » 11 years ago

So because you don't post a lot, that means you can't say anything. I have been reading this board for years. If it is going to hurt your feelings, I will refrain for posting. Most of us are URI Alum/Fans here. Every body doesn't have to agree with your opinions in order to be right. And if you want to wish me a Happy Birthday, it is November 3rd.

peeps4life · Unread post by **peeps4life** » 11 years ago

as opposed to the URI juggernaut program with decades of hurleys leading the charge.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Ah, a fellow Scorpio.
Listen, I could care less if you don't agree, but using adjectives
like"crazy; and "delusional" doesn't give people a warm fuzzy feeling.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 11 years ago

Happy, even thou he did some postive things here, the huge negatives(no NCAA) leading the list, lead to his dismissal, and I supported that departure. I/ve seen them play this year, and that level of conference, I think, is a fit for him and Billy; nice small conference, nice small facility, nice small expectations......one of their season ticket holders told me "their expectations were to annually avoid the "PIG game" into the MAAC tourney...."

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 11 years ago

You people that would be happy for Baron are total frauds.

He drove the program into the ground during a decade in which success was more crucial than ever given conference re-alignment. Imagine if URI had hired someone competent to usher in the Ryan Center and had produced a couple tournament bids? Maybe then we wouldn't be faced with the likely possibility of being left in the pool of unwanted A10 teams once alignment shakes out.

Also, I understand that it's URI's fault, namely Carothers, that Baron got his ridiculous contract. Still that doesn't excuse him from never reaching expectations. Never made a tourney. Never beat a top 25 team. 'Nuff said.

Baron's supporters and well wishers are as fraudulent as his 20 win seasons here at the school. Wish him well? For what? He set this program back and now were all on our knees praying Hurley will stay long enough to get us back to respectability!!

You Baron ball washers make me sick. I wanna puke everytime I hear about our consecutive 20 win seasons or how he recruited 'good' students. Please. Success is measured in tourney bids. The Baron era was an unmitigated disaster and its unbelievable that he is STILL getting a pass from some of you.

Maybe when Hurley returns this program to the level it should be, you Baron frauds will finally wake up and realize what hack coach he was.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Thank you, STC.
The "clean program" turned out to be a fraud, too.
Academic disaster in the classroom, and athletic disaster on the court.
Recruiting thugs in desperation.
Having a player bartend and bounce without putting an end to it.
The diliberate destruction of Jamal Wilson's career.
What a mess!

seanmc94 · Unread post by **seanmc94** » 11 years ago

Jim Baron=Tim welsh. Good, not great coach who was allowed to stay at the party 3 years too long

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 11 years ago

Rod, who was bartending and bouncing?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Sean, I remember when Welsh was a hot young coach at Iona.
He had a few good Euros, and he beat Skinner's teams a couple of times.
When you guys got him, Darth told me what a great get he was,
and how he'd do better than Harrick.
I sure hope Hurley doesn't turn out to be Tim Welsh. Both guys with a
father who was a good coach, both went to a higher profile school
after doing a good job at a smaller school.
Time will tell.

Gonzo, Shengalia. Figures, right?

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 11 years ago

HAHAHA, I would have guessed him!

Keno Davis also had a father who was a good coach etc.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 11 years ago

peeps4life wrote:so in your mind... having a precarious future as head coach doesn't affect recruiting? the landscape of the a10 and uri basketball didn't change all that much. i doubt he went blind and couldn't evaluate talent. i blame tim welsh for not having the gonads to compete in the new big east expansion landscape, but i blame driscoll more for keeping him into a walk year.

Dude you're a moron. He wasn't recruiting talent when he had a 10 year deal and somehow its Thorr's fault because he decided to throw the bball program a life presevrver and fire that hack Baron. Why wasn't he able to produce a tourney bid with all that 'talent' he brought in when he was locked into a contract. You're probably the same moron that thinks Delroy is NBA material! When it comes to Baron's ability to recruit just look at the recruitment of Billy. Couldn't even close the deal on his own son.

Oh and his assistant? Pat Clarke couldn't coach or recruit his way out of a paper bag.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 11 years ago

ramster wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:Pat Skerry left. How many good players came after his leaving?
Yeah, Baron was wonderful.
Most losses in URI basketball history. Never lost less than double figures.
Never beat a top 25 team in 11 year.
Four 20 loss seasons. No NCAAs. No NBA players.
He inherited a program two years removed from three straight NCAA, an Elite 8,
an A-10 Championship, two NBA long time career players.
Winning 20 games with a 35 game schedule is no big deal, especially with
the all the cupcakes he scheduled to get to 20 wins. 41% winning percentage in A-10 play.
Annual fades in February.
Yup, he was great.
Anyone who was around to see our Sweet 16 and Elite 8 runs, knows Baronaball was nothing.

and he inherited Jim Harrick's Legacy - the Ryan Center - one of the premier facilities in the East at the time and it still is. All the ingredients were there to go to the NCAA

Bingo.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

Let's just thank our lucky stars that we have the Hurleys, and no longer have Baron around.

JB was mediocre at best, he wore out his welcome many years ago. He had NCAA tourney talent for a couple of years, and did almost nothing with it.

The really scary thing is, if he was still here, this program would have been dead and buried, and no one, including me, would have given two shits about it. URI would have deserved every bit of scorn heaped upon it, for keeping this guy around.

Things can only get better, for that we have the Hurleys, and a president and AD who finally realized, money restrictions nonwithstanding, what was happening, and did something positive about it.

This story has a long way to run, but at least it's [finally] headed in the right direction.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

Couldn't agree more with Rod and STC. I want baron to crash and burn. When he can recruit his own players (probably all swingmen, anyway) and still win, I'll give him some credit. Talk about falling in shit...

I'm also sick of hearing how he's a "builder of programs." Doesn't that mean the program is better when the coach leaves than when he started? I don't remember St. Francis and the Bonnies having very good teams after this "snake oil salesman" left, either.
This program was never as bad as it was when the Hurleys took over...NEVER.

I think most agree that the contract extension was totally ridiculous. There's the major blame. Fortunately, a new administration is in place now.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

85, that's the only reason this is all happening.

If Muskrat were still President, we'd still have Baron.

The thought is too hideous to contemplate.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

We may still have baron, but there wouldn't be enough people in the building to get a good card game started.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 11 years ago

To get back to the poll, I choose Neutral - I couldn't give 2 sh1ts if Baron's Canisius team made the dance. It has no bearing on the URI program. However, if "Surprised" or "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut" was an option I would have chosen that instead.

Ramblinrose · Unread post by **Ramblinrose** » 11 years ago

Baron was mediocre all the way around. Not as awful as some say, but an NIT level coach at best. The contract was the albatross. Gave him security and hamstrung URI in getting rid of him.

Optimistic · Unread post by **Optimistic** » 11 years ago

I think a better term for how I feel would be "indifferent". If he made it to the tourney this year it'd be by winning his conference's tournament. They'd be a 14 seed or higher and get bounced in the first round. Who cares? We obviously have our sights set higher as a program.

Shinze88 · Unread post by **Shinze88** » 11 years ago

I dont wish the ill will on Baron as many other do here. The reason is because Jim Baron did what anyone on this board would have done in his position. He and his agent suckered URI into giving him one of the most underserving coaching contracts in the history of college basketball. Is that Jim Baron's fault ? My anger goes to the URI adminstration for not having the vision and foresight to realize from past mistakes how critical it is to making the correct decisions on who is leading the flagship program of the university. URI was positioned to set itself up for a position of strength in the A10 with a fantastic new arena and a fanbase not so far removed from a nice stretch of URI hoops. The fact that Baron was a lousy coach just fuels that anger. Its not even debatable that Baron was a horrible coach, he couldnt teach a half court offense, couldnt set up a press and NEVER made adjustments at any point in a game or season. It was borderline genius to have the bar set so low and then when those low expectations are met, along come the COY awards. While Baron set this program back many years because of his inabilities to coach, motivate, the guy was a decent person and I dont wish bad things on decent people. I'm probably in the minority here.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

RF1 wrote:I am neutral. I don't wish ill on Coach Baron as many here seem to. His success elsewhere however has no effect on me in either way. He is in the rear view mirror for me. Canisius is probably the right level for him. I would imagine he is much happier there than had he still been in Kingston this season.

That sums it up perfectly, RF1. Well said.

woodennickel1 · Unread post by **woodennickel1** » 11 years ago

seanmc94 wrote:Jim Baron=Tim welsh. Good, not great coach who was allowed to stay at the party 3 years too long

Sean, Tim Welsh was a much better coach then Baron let's not forget he had PC ranked 12th in the country at one time granted it kind of fell apart after that. Welsh's biggest mistake was his loyalty to his assistant's

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

I voted furious

I am not a fan of CFL and am rooting against him

HobbyBurley · Unread post by **HobbyBurley** » 11 years ago

Voted neutral...could really care less but would be entertaining to see them fall short I suppose.

Hal Kopp · Unread post by **Hal Kopp** » 11 years ago

Baron did a typical late season .
Be honest,all posters here saw it coming.[/u][/i]

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 11 years ago

Its not even debatable that Baron was a horrible coach, he couldnt teach a half court offense, couldnt set up a press and NEVER made adjustments at any point in a game or season. It was borderline genius to have the bar set so low and then when those low expectations are met, along come the COY awards.[/quote]

With how bad Baron was, it makes me cringe and laugh. He duped URI and got away with it for over a decade. Incredible.

I think it is comical to just chalk up the short comings of his teams to him not being capable to grasp a successful method. Like he wanted to press, but didn't know how to do it and then he just ran with it. It was so horrific that it has to be funny.

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 11 years ago

For the 17 people that voted they would be happy for Baron, please, explain yourself.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

17 is a shockingly high number, cant believe it myself

If Canisius Makes the NCAA's will you be...