Discipline

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

What did he do to get a one game suspension? It should be serious.What other methods of discipline have been used for this infraction?

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

Essam wrote:What did he do to get a one game suspension? It should be serious.What other methods of discipline have been used for this infraction?

Hurley was asked about Malesevic following the game by Paul Kenyon, and he didn't really elaborate on the reason for the one-game suspension, except to say it was a violation of team rules. I'm currently uploading the press conference video - I'm guessing it'll be available to look at within 10 to 20 minutes.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

Not surprised. I mentioned before, it's usually Hurley's style to keep this kind of stuff in-house, but he does deal with it. I think that's fair on the college level.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

FWIW, the other players are just as upset. I tweeted "Nik needs to get his shit together sooner rather than later. Could have really used him tonight." and Jordan Hare just retweeted it:
https://twitter.com/HareJordan4

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

Get mad, group peer pressure (in a positive way)! Seniors should be better than this. Whatever their limitations are as players, Brooks and Malone, by all reports, are on board. From what I've read from you guys who've been with this team, Brooks is competing at a new level. This team will find its identity, leaders will emerge. Ideally, you'd like to see a guy like Malesevic be the center of that, but if he can't be, step aside.

(but that would be really bad for this team, so please, please, please, get it together, Nik)

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Hurley most likely won't let it out, and I don't think he should. It is almost as important to establish trust with your players as it is to instill discipline. No reason to embarrass the kid beyond making him miss the game.

As far as Hare retweeting Smarty's tweet - I'm glad they share our frustration, but they should probably be keeping that in-house, as well.

neil · Unread post by **neil** » 11 years ago

Knowing the background that Hurley came from, he would have only played with four (Hoosiers)rather than let Nik get in the game.

Keaney.Blue · Unread post by **Keaney.Blue** » 11 years ago

KB here from the old board.

Finally registered, wanted to shed some light on the discipline situation with Nik. It wasn't a serious issue, nothing to be up in arms over. Nobody should be calling for Nik to be thrown off the team etc. Nik made a bad decision that would've been completely overlooked if this were 2 years ago. Fortunately for us all, we now have coaches who hold our players and program to a higher standard. Nobody is above the law anymore and I have a ton of respect for the Hurleys for sitting arguably their best player against a BE opponent.

The conversation shouldnt be about Nik, it should be about the standards that have been put in place by these Coaches and how it will help turn this program around. Bravo Coach Hurley.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

Keaney.Blue wrote:KB here from the old board.

Finally registered, wanted to shed some light on the discipline situation with Nik. It wasn't a serious issue, nothing to be up in arms over. Nobody should be calling for Nik to be thrown off the team etc. Nik made a bad decision that would've been completely overlooked if this were 2 years ago. Fortunately for us all, we now have coaches who hold our players and program to a higher standard. Nobody is above the law anymore and I have a ton of respect for the Hurleys for sitting arguably their best player against a BE opponent.

The conversation shouldnt be about Nik, it should be about the standards that have been put in place by these Coaches and how it will help turn this program around. Bravo Coach Hurley.

And did Nik know about the rule before he broke it? If yes, then he should be part of the conversation, IMO. I see your point, and I'm certainly not asking for his head or anything, but c'mon, Nik, you let your teammates down. And you only have 7.5 of them.

The Dude · Unread post by **The Dude** » 11 years ago

Nik needed a game off. He had 5 turnovers against OSU. It was the most of all the starting players. Most of the other players had only 1 or 2 if that. I appreciate this kid's fire, but he really hurt his team during the "end" of the OSU game. One of the breakaway points scored by OSU at the end that helped them to pull away was because he didn't come out far enough and create enough separation from his defender while looking for a pass from Mike P. (I think it was Mike...iffy on the memory).
On a separate note, Mike needs to learn that opposing players are going to be more aggressive towards the end of the game and looking for steals.

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 11 years ago

I think this sets a president that no one is above the team, no one.

Sitting one of your best players, your senior leaders during a huge and apparently winnable games against a power conference opponent (and your coaches alma mater) is, as much as it sucks right now, refreshing.

If this were the last administration, Nik wouldn't have started, but certainly would've seen the floor.

Honestly - as bad as I felt watching that loss, I think the team gets a huge message from this. The loss with the suspension really drives the point home, and Nik has a chance to learn from this. On top of that, the rest of this very young team sees that they were beating and hung with a big east team without Nik and TJ.

I think this team gets it together for A10 play and we see some games in Brooklyn.

RIhoopz14 · Unread post by **RIhoopz14** » 11 years ago

Guys, after the OSU game Nik was spotted watching the SHU vs WAS game with Will Martell. As we know, one of Dan Hurleys rules is that there can be ZERO association with Jim Barons players, so that is why Nik was discliplined to sit against SHU.

Just kidding, but for real? My guess (based on nothing) is that he went out to a nightclub there, although not sure if the team stayed at the casino.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

Say it aint so Nik !!

Come on you are better than that

rhodylaw · Unread post by **rhodylaw** » 11 years ago

I figured it was a curfew issue.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

All the teams stayed at the casino. I saw the team hanging around the hotel lobby at around 9pm. Actually looked at Nik and he looked "normal" at that point. So my guess is something happened over night or in the morning/afternoon before the game.

Hal Kopp · Unread post by **Hal Kopp** » 11 years ago

Another player suspension!
This was topic at end of last year also.
Let's have some fun with this!
Who is next player suspended?

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 11 years ago

look at it this way: In a season where the OOC schedule doesn't matter because we aren't looking for an at-large bid to any tournament, and the only season that matters is in conference, would you rather start out 1-3 with a team who sees that penalties and discipline don't apply or 0-4 where EVERYONE learns accountability real quick?

Bubble in (B) on the scantron folks. We're building a team for the future, not looking for wins just to hang on the fridge for mommy.

Yeah that loss hurt, but it sets a standard for this team moving forward this year, and beyond.

And seriously - we've seen players get better every game. Tell me with everyone healthy and in the lineup that we don't make noise in the A-10 and go to Brooklyn.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

Blue Man wrote:If this were the last administration, Nik wouldn't have started, but certainly would've seen the floor.

Based on what? Nik had disciplinary issues last year and was also suspended for an entire game. Couldn't disagree with this statement more. The issue here is with Nik - not the current coach or the former coach.

URIGONZO · Unread post by **URIGONZO** » 11 years ago

Not all teams stayed at the Casino, but URI did. And i'm willing to put money on the fact that the discipline had something to do with being either in the casino, or in a club.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Safe bet.

Keaney.Blue · Unread post by **Keaney.Blue** » 11 years ago

SmartyBarrett wrote:
Blue Man wrote:If this were the last administration, Nik wouldn't have started, but certainly would've seen the floor.
Based on what? Nik had disciplinary issues last year and was also suspended for an entire game. Couldn't disagree with this statement more. The issue here is with Nik - not the current coach or the former coach.

Based on what he did (and I know what he did), it's a very safe bet that Coach Baron would've sat him until the first official timeout at 16:00 then played him regularly for the rest of the game.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

We haven't had a coach with the gumption to sit a star player down
for a full game since Jack Kraft sat Sly down a couple of times.
The only problem is, it hurts the team, that works so hard for a win.

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 11 years ago

Keaney.Blue wrote:
SmartyBarrett wrote:
Blue Man wrote:If this were the last administration, Nik wouldn't have started, but certainly would've seen the floor.
Based on what? Nik had disciplinary issues last year and was also suspended for an entire game. Couldn't disagree with this statement more. The issue here is with Nik - not the current coach or the former coach.
Based on what he did (and I know what he did), it's a very safe bet that Coach Baron would've sat him until the first official timeout at 16:00 then played him regularly for the rest of the game.

Nik broke his hand last year. Convenient suspension.

Baron would've wanted the win so he could tout the win, lesson be damned. Hurley wanted that win bad, real bad, but wouldn't put the lesson, team growth, and what's good for the team long haul behind winning 1 OOC game.

We have a coach with integrity, and a team that is learning that as well. This is how things are done the right way.

I agree with Rod that it sucks when everyone works hard and Nik would've put us over the top, but punishing the team for one player's mistake builds the "team first and only" mentality that Hurley wants.

Plus, did you see Nik on the bench? He was the team's biggest supporter last night. Wasn't moping or having a fit. He was jumping up and down, screaming, supporting. These guys are acting like a TEAM. This is everything we wanted (and hoped) we'd see.

We're taking our lumps - it'll make the future that much sweeter.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

I guess no one remembers this game: http://www.gorhody.com/sports/m-baskbl/ ... 0211wajmb7

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

Blue Man wrote:Plus, did you see Nik on the bench? He was the team's biggest supporter last night. Wasn't moping or having a fit. He was jumping up and down, screaming, supporting. These guys are acting like a TEAM. This is everything we wanted (and hoped) we'd see.

Now THAT is the difference in coaching right there. I agree - I loved seeing it.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Baron cleared out Malone, Wilson and anyone else, who might impeded Billy'from optimum playing time.
That included Nik.
Nik is far more improtant to this years team than he was to last years team.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Baron cleared out Malone, Wilson and anyone else, who might impeded Billy'from optimum playing time.
That included Nik.
Nik is far more improtant to this years team than he was to last years team.

Definitely agree with that. It may be true that Baron may have never been willing to sit his star last year (whomever you presume that to be), but to imply that he was never willing to sit Nik for an entire game is simply not true. It happened.

Optimistic · Unread post by **Optimistic** » 11 years ago

And saying that Baron disciplined players just so Billy could play is silly. For someone who wanted all discussion of former players banned from the message board, you seem to like harping on about Billy, Rod. He's gone, get over it.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

What I wrote is in conjunction with Nik.
Malone was not ineligible academically by NCAA standards.
Wilson's dismissal stunk.
Gee, let's see. They both play Billy's position.
So does Nik.
Wow! What a coincidence!
I said I didn't want multiple threads on former players.
BIG DIFFERENCE!

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 11 years ago

Billy is a better basketball player than all of those guys. He didn't need to sit Nik or dismiss anyone or suspend anyone just so he could play his son.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

Gonebarongone wrote:Billy is a better basketball player than all of those guys. He didn't need to sit Nik or dismiss anyone or suspend anyone just so he could play his son.

OK, enough of praising the Barons and bashing the Hurleys. It's already getting tired. Can you possibly post something that doesn't involve how great the Barons are or how poorly the Hurleys are coaching?

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 11 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:
Gonebarongone wrote:Billy is a better basketball player than all of those guys. He didn't need to sit Nik or dismiss anyone or suspend anyone just so he could play his son.
OK, enough of praising the Barons and bashing the Hurleys. It's already getting tired. Can you possibly post something that doesn't involve how great the Barons are or how poorly the Hurleys are coaching?

Just so the record it clear.

-I haven't said anything positive about Jim Baron, Sr. on this board.
-I have said many positive things about the Hurley regime. I very much believe, as I have said, in their ability to recruit, the passion they bring, and the type of program they will run. In fact, I have said this multiple times.

I have only said I am not willing, sight unseen, to praise his game plans (although I like the one against SHU) or his in game coaching (I did not like the last five minutes of SHU). I believe this is something that should be an on going evaluation based on his limited college experience.

As for Billy, I just don't believe the conspiracy theories being floated in this thread. To me, he was the best player, simple as that.

Keaney.Blue · Unread post by **Keaney.Blue** » 11 years ago

Somehow we're back on the Baron topic. If Hurley were coaching last year's team, he'd have 4-5 scholarship players left by the end of the year because they'd all have been kicked off the team for various discipline issues. In Blake's case, it would've been because he was awful and lazy.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

Blue Man wrote:Plus, did you see Nik on the bench? He was the team's biggest supporter last night. Wasn't moping or having a fit. He was jumping up and down, screaming, supporting. These guys are acting like a TEAM.

Not having been able to watch the game, I wondered about his reaction... nice to read this.

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

Do you guys remember when the whole class was punished for the action of one person? Hurley punished the whole team by sitting down one of his best players. He also punished all the fans who paid good money to see the game. For what breaking curfew? Its like giving somebody five years in the jail for having a MJ.
There are better ways of punishing people if punishment is needed. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

Essam wrote:Do you guys remember when the whole class was punished for the action of one person? Hurley punished the whole team by sitting down one of his best players. He also punished all the fans who paid good money to see the game. For what breaking curfew? Its like giving somebody five years in the jail for having a MJ.
There are better ways of punishing people if punishment is needed. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Totally disagree with this. I'm sure the kids were told what was expected of them and what the consequences would be if they did not abide by rules Dan has set. As a new coach who is establishing a new culture and a higher set of standards, he needs to follow through on his demands. It seems he has done that.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Essam, can't DISagree with you more. Are you serious?

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote:Essam, can't DISagree with you more. Are you serious?

Punish the person responsible and no one else. We are being told this was a minor offense. This is the strongest punishment I have seen given to a URI player since I have been following the Rams (1989). I have spent a lifetime working with kids and was noted to be a pretty strong disciplinarin. Responsible for over 1000 children. I know many people who differ with my methods but they work for me.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:
Gonebarongone wrote:Billy is a better basketball player than all of those guys. He didn't need to sit Nik or dismiss anyone or suspend anyone just so he could play his son.
OK, enough of praising the Barons and bashing the Hurleys. It's already getting tired. Can you possibly post something that doesn't involve how great the Barons are or how poorly the Hurleys are coaching?

I agree with GBG somewhat, and I don't think I can be accused of being a Baron-backer, and I'm definitely not a Hurley hater. But Billy was better than Malone (which I wasn't totally convinced of before, but it is pretty clear now) and Nik isn't a two. I happen to agree with Rod, though, that Wilson getting run from the team smelled fishy. But the idea that saying Billy was/is a good player is somehow praising "the Barons" and bashing the Hurleys is pretty dumb.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Essam, how do you punish one guy in a team sport without it hurting anyone else? Part of the punishment is the knowledge that you've let your teammates, your fans, etc., down.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Essam, how do you punish one guy in a team sport without it hurting anyone else? Part of the punishment is the knowledge that you've let your teammates, your fans, etc., down.

I assume he means running sprints, pushups, things like that. But, I agree with you, making him sit and having him think about how he let the team down is more effective.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Essam, how do you punish one guy in a team sport without it hurting anyone else? Part of the punishment is the knowledge that you've let your teammates, your fans, etc., down.
I assume he means running sprints, pushups, things like that. But, I agree with you, making him sit and having him think about how he let the team down is more effective.

Yeah, but is running laps and doing pushups a legitimate way to punish adults? Either the offense was too serious to be punished with CYO discipline, or it wasn't serious enough to warrant any punishment. You do sprints if you make a boneheaded turnover in practice. There has to be an actual disincentive to breaking team rules.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

TruePoint wrote:
Billyboy78 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Essam, how do you punish one guy in a team sport without it hurting anyone else? Part of the punishment is the knowledge that you've let your teammates, your fans, etc., down.
I assume he means running sprints, pushups, things like that. But, I agree with you, making him sit and having him think about how he let the team down is more effective.
Yeah, but is running laps and doing pushups a legitimate way to punish adults? Either the offense was too serious to be punished with CYO discipline, or it wasn't serious enough to warrant any punishment. You do sprints if you make a boneheaded turnover in practice. There has to be an actual disincentive to breaking team rules.

Essam is old school. That's how athletes were punished back in the day, even adults. If they were being disciplined, they would stay after practice and run laps/ sprints. Essam said he used some form of discipline for years. I'd like to hear what it is. I'm just guessing that is what he means.

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

you don't take a 45 to kill a flyp

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

Essam wrote:you don't take a 45 to kill a flyp

Essam, you mentioned your methods. I was just wondering what they were/are?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

"Yeah, but is running laps and doing pushups a legitimate way to punish adults? Either the offense was too serious to be punished with CYO discipline" They do in the military. This is a main source of punishment. I think they're adults.
Jim, Harrick used to do these things frequently in practice, to the point of players vomiting in barrels at courtside.
Don't even get into football coach's punishments.
Hurley wants to be The Marines of basketball. You do that by setting rules, making everyone aware of the consequences of breaking those rules, and sticking to those consequences if and when they're broken.
Bob Sr, will suspend a player for half a season for texting in class. His way must work, the results speak for themselves.
It's called, "tough love". Something the younger generation isn't generally familiar with.
Reading Miracle of St. Anthony, should be requred reading by ALL Rhody fans. Some of it
will shock the faint of heart, It's raw and powerful, and as Dan said to me,
"And it's all true,too!"

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 11 years ago

Essam wrote:This is the strongest punishment I have seen given to a URI player since I have been following the Rams (1989).

So you consider sitting for one game a stronger punishment than Jamal being kicked off the team last year?

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:It's called, "tough love". Something the younger generation isn't generally familiar with.

Boy, is that ever an understatement!!

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

Still totally ok with the way it was handled. The whole team wasn't punished. The equivalent of one 3rd grader breaking the rules and having the whole class stay in for recess would have been suspending everyone and forfeiting the game. The rest of the team followed the rules and earned the right to play. I'm as pro-player (and a psychologist and practically a humanist) as they come, but the player put himself, the staff, and his teammates in this position. I imagine the consequences were well known before the offense. I don't think it's overly punitive, though it's hard to say without knowing the specific offense although we've all seemed to somehow agree that it's a curfew thing. I have a very low tolerance for power-hungry, excessively punitive college coaches; that's not what this is.

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

Th.is is not th.e forum as it would take too much. Of my time .My experience spans 40 years in a variety of teaching and administrative positions.