Retired numbers

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

Only no 3 is retired.

Certainly we had a few more worthy candidates. Saw the announcement by St. John's which brought it to mind.

Discuss?

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 10 years ago

I would rather the players names be on a banner above the floor and keep the numbers in play......

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I was at Sly Williams' number retirement, where # 35 was supposedly retired.
Then Megin Sina wore is a few years later.
Word has it this was the work of Jim Norman.
I don't think Sly knew where he was that night.
I like Ramulous' idea of just putting up a banner for the worthy players,
while keeping the numbers in play.
Problem is, where do you begin, and what's the criteria? Olden day All Americans like Stutz and Jaworski.
Chubin, McGovern,Stephanson, Fultz, Rowell, Fox, Green, Owens, Garrick, Wheeler, Mobley are the first that come to mind.
These guys in my mind, supercede any of CFL's players.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I was at Sly Williams' number retirement, where # 35 was supposedly retired.
Then Megin Sina wore is a few years later.
Word has it this was the work of Jim Norman.
I don't think Sly knew where he was that night.
I like Ramulous' idea of just putting up a banner for the worthy players,
while keeping the numbers in play.
Problem is, where do you begin, and what's the criteria? Olden day All Americans like Stutz and Jaworski.
Chubin, McGovern,Stephanson, Fultz, Rowell, Fox, Green, Owens, Garrick, Wheeler, Mobley are the first that come to mind.
These guys in my mind, supercede any of CFL's players.

That is a great list to start cutting down from for sure.....is one year of Lamar worthy too?

My thoughts were some discussion about and recognition of the past might get a little buzz going about moving forward.....

Can we agree a little buzz is in order? Perhaps St. John's had that very thought in mind.....?

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

One Year Lamar cannot be worthy in my mind.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I was at Sly Williams' number retirement, where # 35 was supposedly retired.
Then Mergin Sina wore is a few years later.

I think Luther Clay also wore 35... he's the most recent one that comes to mind.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

Ok then if the "shot heard round the world" is the bench mark who else is worthy? Anybody smart enough to start with Rod's list (or add to it) with a number in numerical order?

Then we can all have a good fight/ create some buzz?

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

They have a Hall of Fame, which is a good way to honor former players.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I can easily defend my list.
The three Frank Keaney era players were all national scoring champions and
All Americans.
Sly was and All American. Chubin was All-East (when they had such things) and our leading all time scorer, until the new regime changed it. He and McGovern were the only URI duo to average 20 PPG each in a season.
Stephanson our all time leading rebounder and an amazing player.
Fultz, NE player of the year and LA Laker draftee. Rowell, incredible all around player.
Fox, maybe, maybe not. I just liked him. Great shooter. 22.00 ppg as a senior.
Green, NCAA shot block leader and best PF in school history.
Silk and Garrick, our best backcourt ever. Close second, Wheeler and Mobley.
Fultz, McGovern and Rowell were great shooters and if there was a 3 point line when they played,
our record book would look very different today. The deal with those three is, they also played the
complete game. Fultz was also a very good rebounder. Rowell was a tough defender.
So, let the debate begin. I know we'll get the CFL list, because most here never saw
or heard of most of the guys on my list.
The Hall of Fame is bogus. No Jimmy Wright? No Stanley Wright? Ridiculous!

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

Rod: Hard to argue with your list. But I don't think the Hall of Fame is bogus because the Wrights aren't in it. You'd have to give me more examples of people in it that shouldn't be and vice versa.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Hadn't given it much thought, Iggy.
Not having the Wrights in the URI HOF is as silly
as the Rock and Roll HOF not having The Moody Blues.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

I'd have to see where the Wrights rank all time statistically. I was at those games, just like you, and they were good players and that was one of the program's high points. I just don't have a sense of whether they're hall of famers or on the bubble.
Moody Blues? Definitely.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 10 years ago

Chairman Rod! Only cfl guy to be mentioned is Jimmy jr even though I was not a fan of his at the time. I don't think he makes it though.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

2000 point club ( keeping in mind freshman did not play back in the day ) other all time stat leaders, NBA players, all Americans - some of those are benchmarks to consider.

Chubin, Owens, Garrick, Mobeley, Green, Sly would all fit on a no brainer list for me. Don't have the time to luck up stats or put names to numbers at the moment.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

.... Referring to candidates for retired jersey numbers only here

neil · Unread post by **neil** » 10 years ago

I don't know if you can put both Wright's together, although I think their point total is very close. If I had to choose one, I'd pick Stan. Great list Rod, especially giving some consideration for Fultz, Rowell would be an automatic.

twisted3829 · Unread post by **twisted3829** » 10 years ago

only CFL players worth considering are Jimmy and Will Daniels (just outside consideration Seawright)

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I loved those guys, Neil.
For the longest time, we had outstanding forwards.
Lately, very sporadic. Will Daniels, the best of the recent ones.
Fultz tagged UConn for 46 point and the next time we played them, they pulled the ball out for a 35-32
type score. He was so good at the end of games.
Center has always been a weakness as a whole.
We've had serviceable ones like Frank Nightingale, Irv Chatman,
Bonzie Colson, but other than The Big Step, no stars.

15 Year Lurker · Unread post by **15 Year Lurker** » 10 years ago

twisted3829 wrote:only CFL players worth considering are Jimmy and Will Daniels (just outside consideration Seawright)

You can't retire a number if they never even made an NCAA tournament. Those are two very good players but my god we'll never have any numbers left.

Mobley and/or Wheeler
Garrick

Prob the only 3 from the last 20 or so years to consider

Before that I defer to Rod...I can only think back far enough to Abdul Fox and Carlos Coffield.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Not retire the number, but hang a flag from the rafter with their name and
number on it.
Hell, we wouldn't have any numbers left, if we retired them.

GansettRam74 · Unread post by **GansettRam74** » 10 years ago

I like the names banner idea much better than names. Few other names to throw out are Andre Samuel, Antonio Reynolds Dean, Dewan Robinson

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 10 years ago

There are Hall of Fame players....and there are transcendental players......the latter deserve their names in full view of the fans.....not just a picture on a wall at some point in the outer concourses.....

....I'm sure there are people who could decide who are the most deserving of the higher honor.....

rhodyrudder · Unread post by **rhodyrudder** » 10 years ago

Fox over Jimmy?
Doesn't pass the smell test.
I could be wrong, completely, but
was Fox all A-10? Doesn't seem like
he would be on an all-time team.
BTW, didn't we do an all-time team
within the past 10 years? Who's on it?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Fox was a better player than Baron. He actually rebounded and played defense.

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 10 years ago

The Moody Blues aren't in the HOF? I guess they were beaten out by The Bay City Rollers.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Fox was a better player than Baron. He actually rebounded and played defense.

Fox changed the momentum against Kansas with a fall away jumper that led us to the best ending ever for URI. Agreed that he is higher on my list than Baron.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 10 years ago

Didn't we already have a named top 50 all time Rhody players recently? If so place those names on banners around the concourse with their numbers....or on their era replica jersey? Retire no numbers....

rhodyrudder · Unread post by **rhodyrudder** » 10 years ago

Fox was 2nd team all a-10 in 93, 3rd team in 94.
I do stand corrected.
My memory's not what it used to be.
Too many nights at the ocean mist and bon vue!
I still think jimmy is one of the best ever to play here.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:I'd have to see where the Wrights rank all time statistically. I was at those games, just like you, and they were good players and that was one of the program's high points. I just don't have a sense of whether they're hall of famers or on the bubble.
Moody Blues? Definitely.

Career points: Jimmy Wright 1333....Stanley Wright 1306.......They are in the 20-25 range on the all time list. Both were good rebounders and defenders also. I am biased because they played when I was there, but they were both very good college ballplayers. I'd give Stanley the slight edge.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Art Stephenson...amazing player, a center at 6'4'. Imagine if he was a few inches taller.

Imagine what he would do to our current inside players......

NJ03 · Unread post by **NJ03** » 10 years ago

Jimmy Baron is the all time URI leader and A10 leader in 3 pointers. Anyone who thinks he's not among some the best who's ever played here is biased because of the name.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

NJ03 wrote:Jimmy Baron is the all time URI leader and A10 leader in 3 pointers. Anyone who thinks he's not among some the best who's ever played here is biased because of the name.

No doubt that Jimmy was a great shooter. How about the rest of his game?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

A defensive liability, whose own father used to take him out when defense
was needed at the end of games.
Couldn't rebound or pass, either. A specialist, in the mode of Hakeem Richmond.

NJ03 · Unread post by **NJ03** » 10 years ago

Senior year averaged 18 ppg. Shot 48% from the floor and over 90% from the free throw line. Sure, he wasn't a great defender but pure shooters seldom are great defenders. JJ Reddick and Stephen Curry are both criticized for their struggles in man to man defense too. Sometimes that's the price you pay. Couldn't pass? I don't know, I never complained or had a problem with Jimmy's passing. He averaged less than one turnover per game. He's a SG not a PG. I don't need my SG to get me 7+ assists per game. That's the PG's job. I'll still take Jimmy's bball IQ over anyone else in the Baron era.

And let the record show I am in no way a Jim Baron Sr supporter. When he was fired I may have been the happiest man on earth (aside from rod, maybe). But come on, to say Jimmy wasn't something special is somewhat foolish. Comparing him to Akeem Richmond? Please. Richmond had a nice season as a frosh when he would come off the bench and see some open 3's. When he started his soph year and defenses keyed up on him he was completely exposed. I couldn't see Akeem launch 30 foot 3 pointers like Jimmy did. Couldn't see him catch and shoot with hands in his face like Jimmy did. 7 three's on the road in the Carrier Dome? 8 on the road against Duke (which is a Cameron Indoor record, btw, please let that sink in)? A performance which Coach K called "one of the greatest halves any kid has ever had against us". He didn't mean just that season, or just out of conference, or just at home. He meant ever. Sorry, can't see Akeem ever getting anywhere near that but, hey, that's just me.

Take all of your feelings for his dad aside and try to admit that the guy wasn't special. Yes, I'm only 33 years old and only began watching URI play hoops in 97, but I can't see there being a way there was a better shooter ever at URI or ever will be at URI. Def one of our greatest ever.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

I'm kind of with NJ03 on this one. The kid deserves some credit.

Cameron_Dollar · Unread post by **Cameron_Dollar** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:Rod: Hard to argue with your list. But I don't think the Hall of Fame is bogus because the Wrights aren't in it. You'd have to give me more examples of people in it that shouldn't be and vice versa.

Phil Kidd is in the Hall of Fame and he never started. Purely political. He kissed a lot of ass in his post playing days. Jimmy Wright was a beast and could score. He and Roland Houston were a dominant duo. He definitely belongs. Stanley beat out Joe Hasset for RI Player of the year when they had such an award. That alone should get him in; but he could always be counted on to get a big basket and was the emotional leader of that 78 team. I can't believe they were never inducted.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 10 years ago

As much as I liked Jimmy's game, it does not measure up to retiring numbers.

NJ03 · Unread post by **NJ03** » 10 years ago

section(105) wrote:As much as I liked Jimmy's game, it does not measure up to retiring numbers.

I agree with this. Personally I'm not a big fan of retiring college numbers in the first place. I feel most of the time it's just a ploy or scheme created by the school to maintain a link with a big name player. Texas retiring Kevin Durants number? The guy was there for one season and they lost in the second round of the NCAA tournament. But when recruits come and visit they see Durants jersey in the rafters and are reminded that he played there. Also prob doesn't hurt getting a few donations out of KD as well.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Hakeem Richmond hit a shot to win the NIT for ECU, which
is more than Jimmy ever won for us.
He also had more 3s as a freshman than your hero.
Baron wouldn't even put Jimmy in that position against Duke.
He never won a single game in 4 years with a last second shot.
By the way, Billy is a far better all around player than Jimmy.
Ray Allen, possible the greatest shooter ever, covered Kobe Bryant,
and didn't embarass himself.

URI96 · Unread post by **URI96** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Hakeem Richmond hit a shot to win the NIT for ECU, which
is more than Jimmy ever won for us.
He also had more 3s as a freshman than your hero.
Baron wouldn't even put Jimmy in that position against Duke.
He never won a single game in 4 years with a last second shot.
By the way, Billy is a far better all around player than Jimmy.
Ray Allen, possible the greatest shooter ever, covered Kobe Bryant,
and didn't embarass himself.

He's 5th all time in points. Please come back to reality.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

Jimmy Baron is the best shooter Ive ever seen in college basketball. I'm not disputing this either. Just youtube the kid. Most threes ever for the A10? incredible. That Duke game was the most spectacular shooting display ive seen in college basketball.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Never saw Steph Curry or JJ Riddick?
Both those guys are doing it in the NBA,
and Curry is a genuine superstar.
Riddick did it at Duke, seeing far better competition.
Whatever......

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

but redick played with better players and a better coach to get him every shooting opportunity possible, and that plays a HUGE role with a shooter.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 10 years ago

I'm pretty much the opposite of most of you. I feel banners that just list players names would look incredibly tacky. I am in favor of retiring numbers however, but in extremely limited cases. I think you should have to be a member of the URI Hall of Fame and then there should also be a second major national honor you've received, such as Basketball Hall of Fame member or All American player, to make yourself eligible to have your number retired.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 10 years ago

theblueram wrote:
rodfromcranston wrote:Fox was a better player than Baron. He actually rebounded and played defense.
Fox changed the momentum against Kansas with a fall away jumper that led us to the best ending ever for URI. Agreed that he is higher on my list than Baron.

Fox wasn't on the team that beat Kansas.

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hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:I'm pretty much the opposite of most of you. I feel banners that just list players names would look incredibly tacky. I am in favor of retiring numbers however, but in extremely limited cases. I think you should have to be a member of the URI Hall of Fame and then there should also be a second major national honor you've received, such as Basketball Hall of Fame member or All American player, to make yourself eligible to have your number retired.

Yep, pretty surprised at the reaction to my thread actually. Calverly certainly was a most special player - the foundation of the program probably but to be the only worthy jersey raised to the rafters? Not suggesting we be the Yankees or Celtics with few numbers left to hand out.

More like the Red Sox with a select few meeting the standard for jersey number retirement.

I think no 3 looks pretty lonely up there, surprised so few seem to agree.....

NJ03 · Unread post by **NJ03** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Hakeem Richmond hit a shot to win the NIT for ECU, which
is more than Jimmy ever won for us.
He also had more 3s as a freshman than your hero.
Baron wouldn't even put Jimmy in that position against Duke.
He never won a single game in 4 years with a last second shot.

Jimmy hit a last second fade away jumper at the buzzer against Duquesne his junior year at the Ryan Center to win 80-78 when URI was ranked 20 in the country. Baron also had a buzzer heater finger roll layup as a freshman in 07 to beat Dayton 75-74. And yes, Baron Sr would "put Jimmy in that position against Duke" - he actually took the last shot that game and missed. Good research though, Rod. Richmond hit a shot to win the NIT? This coming from the guy who consistently ripped the NIT when we were in it. And guess what, that was the CIT, not NIT. Priceless. Get back to me when Akeem holds the record for most 3's ever made in a game at Cameron Indoor (which is not held by JJ Reddick btw) Actually check that, get back to me whenever ANYBODY hits over 8 threes at Cameron indoor. I may be waiting for a while.

gorhody · Unread post by **gorhody** » 10 years ago

I believe Richmond's shot last year was in the CBI or CIT, but I could be wrong.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

You know what, NJ03, you keep kneeling in front of your Jimmy Baron
autographed picture or whatever.
I don't give e flying shit if it was CIT, CBI or whatever.
You know why I wasn't accurate in Jimmy? Because I didn't give a fat rat's ass
about his one dimentional overrated shooting.
He's as high up as he is in scoring at URI, because he had the 3 point line.
Guys like Chubin. McGovern, Fultz and Rowell, and even Larry Johnson didn't.
But you don't even know who these guys are, never saw them play, but you'll argue
about how someone is better than them. Great logic.
If he was that damned good, he wouldn't be playing in Europe,, he'd be in the NBA.
Oh, and I remember a game in December where he gagged on a free throw to lose one for us.
Preston Murphy had 8 3's against Temple BFD!

brady1 · Unread post by **brady1** » 10 years ago

Jimmy Baron never lead one of his teams to an NCAA Tournament. In modern day basketball if you never lead one of your teams to the DANCE you're an also ran.

GO RHODY!