Game #4: Seton Hall - In-Game

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Brooks! Stud.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Who is announcing this game on ESPN3? Foghorn Leghorn?

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Brooks! Stud.

That was an absolutely ridiculous shot, and the only thing that got a bigger reaction tonight were the alleyoops.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 11 years ago

Bigby does a little bit of everything

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 11 years ago

Two shot clock violations in a row.

SOME shot is better than no shot = Basketball 101

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

That arena is packed....

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

You cannot commit a foul there. And I'd rather take a shot clock violation than miss a shot :10 into the clock with a two possession lead and less than two minutes left.

Optimistic · Unread post by **Optimistic** » 11 years ago

The color guy is former Fordham coach Dereck Whittenburg. Someone let him know that there's no S in Bigby's name.

HobbyBurley · Unread post by **HobbyBurley** » 11 years ago

This is getting ugly...

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 11 years ago

Three shot clock violations.

Kingston · Unread post by **Kingston** » 11 years ago

Powell reverted back to dribbling the air out of the ball. Old habits die hard

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

That's a tough one. Lead the whole way.

Kingston · Unread post by **Kingston** » 11 years ago

Tough loss. Thanks Nik

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 11 years ago

WHY WOULDN'T YOU TAKE A TIMEOUT THERE BEFORE POWELL TURNED IT OVER?

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 11 years ago

Ugh...that sucks. F'ing Nik.

Optimistic · Unread post by **Optimistic** » 11 years ago

Rhody15 wrote:WHY WOULDN'T YOU TAKE A TIMEOUT THERE BEFORE POWELL TURNED IT OVER?

Because Hurley isn't a psychic?

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 11 years ago

Thats a tough loss to take. Led the whole way basically. Should not have lost that game.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 11 years ago

So, someone explain to me why having zero awareness of the shot clock 3x in the last 3 minutes was a good thing.

I'd love to hear the rationale behind this one. Go for it.

ElmCityRhody · Unread post by **ElmCityRhody** » 11 years ago

URI_05 · Unread post by **URI_05** » 11 years ago

Ugh, that was a rough ending. On the bright side, if they continue this effort, and build on it, they will definitely win some games.

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 11 years ago

Optimistic wrote:
Rhody15 wrote:WHY WOULDN'T YOU TAKE A TIMEOUT THERE BEFORE POWELL TURNED IT OVER?
Because Hurley isn't a psychic?

Shoulda been common sense that with an inexperienced team in that situation you take a timeout. If this was Baron we'd be destroying his decision in that spot.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 11 years ago

Kingston · Unread post by **Kingston** » 11 years ago

To be honest last three minutes felt like Baron was coaching. Would have loved a win. Nik must feel like an ass. Would like to say hope he learned a lesson but he should have learned this before. Give Hurley credit for sitting him whole night must of been tempting to put him in.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Thanks Nik! You've always been a punk, and now you cost us a badly needed game.
Just couldn't score in the last five minutes. How many shot clock violations?
Powell played a great game until the end, when he reverted back to over dribbling.
Munford didn't have it tonight.
Malone was solid. Brooks and Bigby contributed.
Hare? A Seton Hall guy stuck his butt out, and Hare fell back three feet, allowing the guy to make an easy basket.
Just not strong enough to be a real factor.
Once again, the opponent attacking us inside, and meeting little resistance.
Once again, no inside game on offense. Did we have a dunk in the game?
Refs were very one sided. Why didn't they review the 3 pointer at the end?
That could have made all the difference in the game.
VERY frustrating, and very winnable.
You could see the pain on Hurley's face near the end.
At least he cares.

HobbyBurley · Unread post by **HobbyBurley** » 11 years ago

Just limited options on offense and Seton Hall really stepped up the ball pressure in the last few minutes. Got lucky with the last second shots a couple times but you just can't rely on that in the clutch.

I also thought a timeout there was warranted but there were so many other chances to seal that win as well.

Edit: Looking forward to hearing about Nik's issues...

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

In the past, Hurley has not explicitly talked about exact reasons (Nik), will be interesting to see if this is different.

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 11 years ago

Probably missed curfew at the casino and something related to that.

Shinze88 · Unread post by **Shinze88** » 11 years ago

absolute horrendous defense on that last drive... Brooks never made an effort to stop the drive.. there is no way you can allow an uncontested layup like that.. Not sure why Seton Hall didnt continue to give Teague the ball with our frontcourt in foul trouble. They will be worse than pc in the BE.. Nik could have made the difference tonight, but glad to see Hurley laying down the foundation for whats expected.

too bad, we gave another great effort and have nothing to show for it..

is it next year yet?

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

I hate losing but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about losing this type of game. Big picture, we're fine. Having said that, though, the guys on the team DO need to be taking these losses personally. No idea how to win yet. Also, they do not have anybody they can rely on for a tough bucket at the end of a game. I don't know that they can solve the latter problem this season, but they need to fix the former or it will be a waste of a year.

Kingston · Unread post by **Kingston** » 11 years ago

JUst listened to JIm CArr mentioned twice about coaching RYan Brooks haven't be coached in three years and Powell had to accept coaching

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

Another great effort by the players. They deserve better. I'm so sick of NIK. If Hurley tosses him, it's fine with me. His teammates should be disgusted with him.
There's no NIK in team.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

This Baron clown will be gone after this season. Nik has talent, but unfortunately none between the ears.

Powell and Hare will both be OK. Hare will be a force starting next year, when he gets a few more pounds on him. Powell will be a good backup.

The way this is going, it's going to be Hurley's 4 year recruits that will make the huge difference in the long run.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

Nobody asked about the lack of a timeout on that final setup, but Hurley didn't sound especially displeased with the shot, noting that Munford was one of their better shooters available. If I had to guess, he might not have called timeout because URI was having problems getting the ball inbound and starting the offense for the last five minutes or so. Also, thinking longterm - If you want to see how your guys react in the final minute of a close game without holding their hand via a timeout, you might as well do it now and this year, as opposed to next year and the year after, when they're actually going to compete more.

Tom98 · Unread post by **Tom98** » 11 years ago

I feel for the players.....they played thier hearts outs. They needed somebody to step up at the end and nobody clearly felt compfortable being the guy to put it on the line. This is where character players are real important. I think Munford will be comfortable as the season progresses. I will be be upset until we win on Friday. This one is hurting me more than usual.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

Guys, sorry about the delay on the Hurley and Andre Malone presser video, but it's taking forever to encode and spitting out some errors, which is unfortunate. I'm going to drive home and re-check on it, which should be in about 45 to 60 minutes. The Willard video did work though, and it's now posted: http://patch.com/A-zClF

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 11 years ago

OK, no way to spin this one differently, we should have won this one. The made three(late), but called NG due to shot clock violation hurt. Coach tried to get a video review, and was waved off...................there are going to be more of these; be ahead, get close, hang and a win/loss is in the balance. The notion we need to learn how to compete has been used, we got that we do compete. Next is learn to win and put games away, we ain't got that yet. The Nik situation is troublesome, if ne/s not gonna fit the new program then fine. bye-bye. Hare showed me more, and think he/ll continue to grow. TJ, seems so limited on offense, and with so much emphasis on defense, he/s becoming a non-factor. Crowd, piss poor even for our folks.........this would have been great win coming off a great game against OSU.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

The staff likes TJ, especially defensively. His only problem right now is injury, IMO.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Munford's shot was one of the few clean looks we got towards the end of the game.
SH seemed to live on the free throw line and rarely missed.
I hate losing, especially such a winnable game.
We've only really been out of the VATech game, but what's concerning
is that fade at the end of all three other losses.
It seems nobody wants to take over, and put the team on his back.
Powell dribbling into shot clock violations, or forced last second shots, is too remindful of last season.
Hare just doesn't look like a D-1 player. Gets moved out, too easily.
Bulk isn't the main decider on rebounding. Dennis Rodman was hardly bulky.
Kevin Love is the best rebounder in the NBA and it's his technique, than enables him to box out with 2,800lbs. of force.
The bigs for SH had their way underneath all night long.
In this game, not having our leading scorer play, was a killer.
Also, is there a problem with Gil?

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 11 years ago

TJ, we gots players who dig in and play hard defense, he/s one of those. However, in a group of limited offense weapons, another one(TJ) is just another player with no/limited O. that hurts. X is an offensive force, my concern, and it happened to nite, teams will doulble up on him when he gets the pill and the options to pass back to are limited, especially deep in the shot clock. The inside game, even as limited as it is currently is, has potential to grow with Hare and Aaman learning more of the position.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 11 years ago

For those bringing up the Munford three, it was very clear on the replay that he didnt get it off in time. Not sure if anybody was questioning that or not, but just throwing it out there since its been brought up.

twisted3829 · Unread post by **twisted3829** » 11 years ago

i thought Hare looked pretty decent tonight, worked hard on positioning under the basket and rebounding, a couple of balls tipped off his hands but I thought over he played well for giving up 50 pounds. He did make a few bad decision that led to fouls but I think he's improved greatly throughout the year.

We didn't really have a guy that could guard Teague.

My guess is Gil needed to study or work on homework, transfers were not provided with transportation but could attend the game on their own.

twisted3829 · Unread post by **twisted3829** » 11 years ago

shot clock violations are not a reviewable play in college, I heard it mentioned during another game I was watching.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

Imo not having Nik hurt of course, but we have an 8 point lead with under 4 minutes left, and a 4 point lead with 2 minutes left. So him not being there wasn't the main reason we lost.

Can't have shot clock violations that late in a game, especially how many? 3? That's nuts.

They played not to lose, instead of being aggressive. It was too early to freeze the ball. Just not enough offensive options either.

Hopefully they will learn enough as the season goes on, to close out these types of games. However, without a take charge type player, it's going to be tough.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

adam914 wrote:For those bringing up the Munford three, it was very clear on the replay that he didnt get it off in time. Not sure if anybody was questioning that or not, but just throwing it out there since its been brought up.

I was curious about this, so thanks for clarifying. From my vantage point, it looked like he got it off, but they didn't have replays available at the arena. That would have been the third "miracle" 3 the Rams hit, since Powell had two heaves as the shot clock expired that went in.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 11 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Imo not having Nik hurt of course, but we have an 8 point lead with under 4 minutes left, and a 4 point lead with 2 minutes left. So him not being there wasn't the main reason we lost.

Can't have shot clock violations that late in a game, especially how many? 3? That's nuts.

They played not to lose, instead of being aggressive. It was too early to freeze the ball. Just not enough offensive options either.

Hopefully they will learn enough as the season goes on, to close out these types of games. However, without a take charge type player, it's going to be tough.

Fair points but having an offensive-minded senior out there at the end could have helped those problems you indicated.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 11 years ago

SGreenwell wrote:
adam914 wrote:For those bringing up the Munford three, it was very clear on the replay that he didnt get it off in time. Not sure if anybody was questioning that or not, but just throwing it out there since its been brought up.
I was curious about this, so thanks for clarifying. From my vantage point, it looked like he got it off, but they didn't have replays available at the arena. That would have been the third "miracle" 3 the Rams hit, since Powell had two heaves as the shot clock expired that went in.

Yeah, I mean it was close for sure, but they stopped the replay right where the clock hit 00 and you could tell pretty easily that the ball was still in his hands.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

I thought scoring was almost at a standstill near the end of the game.
Reading a game summary, we were 1-8 from the 10:56 mark til the end!
That's not even a shot a minute. Of course three shot clock violations, plus a few turnovers, help account for that.
Wow! That's pretty awful.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I thought scoring was almost at a standstill near the end of the game.
Reading a game summary, we were 1-8 from the 10:56 mark til the end!
That's not even a shot a minute. Of course three shot clock violations, plus a few turnovers, help account for that.
Wow! That's pretty awful.

Willard mentioned that URI liked the control the clock and the tempo, which from a game theory perspective, helps you stay in games if you don't have as much talent as the other team. Less possessions overall means a greater chance that outlier performance (i.e. that a team with less talent) will determine a game. Baron also took the air out of the ball his first couple of years, which led to some surprising wins.

Of course, as the talent base improves, you then want to play at more of a neutral to slightly quick pace, depending on your personnel. Right now, at least from casual observation (I'm not an X's and O's guru), it seems like the Rams look for cutters and layups in the first 20 of the shot clock, before moving to more of a pick and roll "find a shot" for the final 15. Unfortunately though, this has led to contested jumpers and heaves at the end of the shot clock.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 11 years ago

Press conference is now up, although the audio is a bit muddy, unfortunately: http://patch.com/A-zClF