Do you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago So I'll just ask Stone here. If top players are going for about $250K a year, and we get a starting five that the NIL is paying $1.25M a year for players, how does this work? So fans contribute money to the NIL, to pay for top players to come here and win games, pack the Ryan Center and go to the NCAAT. Concessions make a ton on all the fans plus the $14 a beer. The University loves it as applications are crazy and the fees are coming in. The media loves it and the rights to the A10 increase. Yet the people paying the players get squat? We are just happy to pay millions for players, plus tickets, plus concessions? Imagine if the Celtics said the fans need to contribute to a fund to pay for players. Just imagine that.
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The players need to be paid by those making the money on them. That seems like the logical solution…no?
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Right, the entity making the money should pay the players. No matter where the money came from, tv, merch, concessions, tix.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoDo you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago So I'll just ask Stone here. If top players are going for about $250K a year, and we get a starting five that the NIL is paying $1.25M a year for players, how does this work? So fans contribute money to the NIL, to pay for top players to come here and win games, pack the Ryan Center and go to the NCAAT. Concessions make a ton on all the fans plus the $14 a beer. The University loves it as applications are crazy and the fees are coming in. The media loves it and the rights to the A10 increase. Yet the people paying the players get squat? We are just happy to pay millions for players, plus tickets, plus concessions? Imagine if the Celtics said the fans need to contribute to a fund to pay for players. Just imagine that.
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Has not donations always been a part of funding college sports? I am still honestly trying to get my head around this. Boosters at the big programs have apparently been doing this forever. The players from decades ago are pretty open about the fact that they were paid.RIFan wrote: ↑7 months agoRight, the entity making the money should pay the players. No matter where the money came from, tv, merch, concessions, tix.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoDo you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago So I'll just ask Stone here. If top players are going for about $250K a year, and we get a starting five that the NIL is paying $1.25M a year for players, how does this work? So fans contribute money to the NIL, to pay for top players to come here and win games, pack the Ryan Center and go to the NCAAT. Concessions make a ton on all the fans plus the $14 a beer. The University loves it as applications are crazy and the fees are coming in. The media loves it and the rights to the A10 increase. Yet the people paying the players get squat? We are just happy to pay millions for players, plus tickets, plus concessions? Imagine if the Celtics said the fans need to contribute to a fund to pay for players. Just imagine that.
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This is what is so baffling to me. A lot of people seem to prefer the old way where players were paid illegally and only the top programs could really do it regularly.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoHas not donations always been a part of funding college sports? I am still honestly trying to get my head around this. Boosters at the big programs have apparently been doing this forever. The players from decades ago are pretty open about the fact that they were paid.RIFan wrote: ↑7 months agoRight, the entity making the money should pay the players. No matter where the money came from, tv, merch, concessions, tix.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months ago
Do you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?
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Yikes.
Was flipping through the channels the other night and started watching the movie Blue Chips. Some things never change; they are just repackaged.
Hadn’t watched the movie in ages. It’s been so long that I forgot about it. Nick Nolte was excellent as the HC. Well done college basketball movie.
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Plus Celtics are allowed to pay the players since they're professionals. It's an entirely different model in college so long as we keep the façade that the college kids are still "amateur athletes." In college, the schools and coaches currently cannot pay the kids directly. It was a dumb analogy for sure.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoDo you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago So I'll just ask Stone here. If top players are going for about $250K a year, and we get a starting five that the NIL is paying $1.25M a year for players, how does this work? So fans contribute money to the NIL, to pay for top players to come here and win games, pack the Ryan Center and go to the NCAAT. Concessions make a ton on all the fans plus the $14 a beer. The University loves it as applications are crazy and the fees are coming in. The media loves it and the rights to the A10 increase. Yet the people paying the players get squat? We are just happy to pay millions for players, plus tickets, plus concessions? Imagine if the Celtics said the fans need to contribute to a fund to pay for players. Just imagine that.
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Blue Ram making a dumb analogy/comment? I’m shocked!RhodyKyle wrote: ↑7 months agoPlus Celtics are allowed to pay the players since they're professionals. It's an entirely different model in college so long as we keep the façade that the college kids are still "amateur athletes." In college, the schools and coaches currently cannot pay the kids directly. It was a dumb analogy for sure.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoDo you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago So I'll just ask Stone here. If top players are going for about $250K a year, and we get a starting five that the NIL is paying $1.25M a year for players, how does this work? So fans contribute money to the NIL, to pay for top players to come here and win games, pack the Ryan Center and go to the NCAAT. Concessions make a ton on all the fans plus the $14 a beer. The University loves it as applications are crazy and the fees are coming in. The media loves it and the rights to the A10 increase. Yet the people paying the players get squat? We are just happy to pay millions for players, plus tickets, plus concessions? Imagine if the Celtics said the fans need to contribute to a fund to pay for players. Just imagine that.
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Rhody15 shitting on someone? I'm shocked!Rhody15 wrote: ↑7 months agoBlue Ram making a dumb analogy/comment? I’m shocked!RhodyKyle wrote: ↑7 months agoPlus Celtics are allowed to pay the players since they're professionals. It's an entirely different model in college so long as we keep the façade that the college kids are still "amateur athletes." In college, the schools and coaches currently cannot pay the kids directly. It was a dumb analogy for sure.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months ago
Do you really believe that revenue from Celtics fans does not cover the salaries of the players?
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Nevermind job security. Let's say you have a $100,000 bonus for making the tournament. Wouldn't you want to donate up to $50,000 to help get players to earn that bonus?
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This line of thinking doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't you feel like a part owner when you donate to a capital project or other school fund?RIFan wrote: ↑7 months agoNot surprising, they are paying the salaries of the players so basically they own the team…literally. What a mess. Did anyone see Christian Laettners take on NIL and the portal? To summarize: he thinks they are both ruining everything.
Giving to NIL feels very different than giving money to the program, with the program it can be used for many of the actual things that they need from facilities to charters and yes, even salaries. But with NIL you are literally paying the salaries of these players and it feels like you now have an employee employer relationship or at least you should since you are now basically part owner.
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If they're seriously asking than they're not a serious person, so either way they're not serious?adam914 wrote: ↑7 months agoHonest question, are you actually being serious when you ask questions like this? Or just trying to get a rise out of people? I genuinely can't tell sometimes.theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago What's the return on NIL dollars? Like if I contribute, I am now paying players salaries. So what is the return if the team makes money? This isn't charitable contributions. This is salary.
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It's a gofundme for paying players.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑7 months agoIf they're seriously asking than they're not a serious person, so either way they're not serious?adam914 wrote: ↑7 months agoHonest question, are you actually being serious when you ask questions like this? Or just trying to get a rise out of people? I genuinely can't tell sometimes.theblueram wrote: ↑7 months ago What's the return on NIL dollars? Like if I contribute, I am now paying players salaries. So what is the return if the team makes money? This isn't charitable contributions. This is salary.
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The players are fighting to become employees. If and when that happens NIL will probably go away. Something tells me fans like you will bitch about that too and whine about how that's going to ruin college sports for you
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Question, sorry if this ground has been plowed. Can an NIL offer incentive bonuses, example regular season conference championships, from its NIL piggy bank?
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If that happens (college basketball players become employees), I would guess more than 100 schools end college hoops.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑7 months agoThe players are fighting to become employees. If and when that happens NIL will probably go away. Something tells me fans like you will bitch about that too and whine about how that's going to ruin college sports for you
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Me thinks players become employees will result in schools just grinding more money from a variety of sources including going into your pocket for more; parking fees, adding on to seat tickets, etc etc. maybe some schools will drop non revenue sports. The uniforms will look like race car drivers, ya know att that stuff.theblueram wrote: ↑7 months agoIf that happens (college basketball players become employees), I would guess more than 100 schools end college hoops.RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑7 months agoThe players are fighting to become employees. If and when that happens NIL will probably go away. Something tells me fans like you will bitch about that too and whine about how that's going to ruin college sports for you
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I'm not trying to infer that anyone in this discussion is dumb or has a stupid take. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I'd say we have many different points of view and my personal point of view keeps evolving.
We have boosters who are willing to donate substantial dollars into their favorite athletic programs hoping to raise the level of the program. We also have what I consider to be loyal fans who attend athletic events regularly, hit the concessions, 50/50 raffles and make occasional small donations that do not really move the needle (my current and default situation whenever I have lived in the local area) and another group of fans who show up less frequently in general but are more inclined to participate during the good times. The fan experience of course is better when the teams are competitive.
I appreciate the boosters big time but probably will not become one unless I win the lottery or my investments start performing. I realize we need them to elevate the level of the programs. I have considered joining them, but in reality, I have 2 nieces and 3 nephews who are soon to start entering college and they are not likely to be receiving full scholarships and stipends. They are going to have large expenses to get their education. I've weighed my options and decided I'd rather help each of them out with a lump sum upon graduation instead of contributing serious dollars to the NIL opportunities of some very good college basketball players. Some boosters may think I just do not get it but I have my own priorities.
I'm all for the boosters getting extra perks and better seats to the events. They are carrying more of the load. The loyal fans support the program by paying the "market value" the University can charge for the experience at the current time. I have little doubt they will raise prices for the experience whenever they can in the future and that will likely be when the less active fans get more involved once they are winning and they decide "market value" is a good deal. The fact is the Athletic Department really needs to increase all levels of support to move up the ladder and stay there.
I'd prefer the seat upgrade process was transparent. I do not want to guess what donation is required to get better seats. I had inquired years ago and you would have thought I was asking for nuclear launch codes. I had club seats for a couple of seasons and they were half decent. There are other club seats that are IMHO great seats. Maybe they could hold a public auction for some of the better seats before each season? That would be wild. I would surely participate for a few good club seats.
Being a pro sports fan is more of a straight forward transaction that we are long accustomed to. They set prices to maximize their revenue over the long term. We can choose to either pay market value or not support the team. We are not asked for donations to improve the team. If the entertainment level is not high their players and coaches will not receive large salaries look at the WNBA for example. If the entertainment level is high the players and coaches will be well paid and franchises will thrive like the NBA for example.
I find it interesting that quite a few of the "blue blood" programs evolved in areas that have decent sized populations but little in the way of professional sports franchises so the schools had less competition to harvest cash available for sports entertainment. I expect the largest population centers to eventually rise to the top.
I suspect what annoys some of the non-boosters is that many programs are running deficits. It follows that participants are probably being compensated at levels exceeding the entertainment value when expenses are accounted for so we surmise that perhaps the coaching staffs are overpaid. We accuse them of not wanting to "share the pie". There have been many statements made by coaches about the current situation that are hypocritical self-serving BS. Boosters of the programs often make claims that people do not "get it" and ancillary benefits of having a good sports team is well worth it to the schools. Pro sports fan make similar arguments when cities are paying huge amounts to build sports stadiums for professional franchises. Many people who are not sports fans think we are all delusional.
I actually like that the formerly rule breaking programs now have to play on a more level playing field where you are not breaking laws/rules by participating but am not sure how this is all going to play out over time. Will I eventually become a booster? Will I stay a loyal fan that pays market value? Will I start to lose interest in college basketball if we do not improve? I enjoyed this past Rhody football season much more than the last 4 basketball seasons although some of my favorite all time sports memories are linked to Rhody hoops.
We have boosters who are willing to donate substantial dollars into their favorite athletic programs hoping to raise the level of the program. We also have what I consider to be loyal fans who attend athletic events regularly, hit the concessions, 50/50 raffles and make occasional small donations that do not really move the needle (my current and default situation whenever I have lived in the local area) and another group of fans who show up less frequently in general but are more inclined to participate during the good times. The fan experience of course is better when the teams are competitive.
I appreciate the boosters big time but probably will not become one unless I win the lottery or my investments start performing. I realize we need them to elevate the level of the programs. I have considered joining them, but in reality, I have 2 nieces and 3 nephews who are soon to start entering college and they are not likely to be receiving full scholarships and stipends. They are going to have large expenses to get their education. I've weighed my options and decided I'd rather help each of them out with a lump sum upon graduation instead of contributing serious dollars to the NIL opportunities of some very good college basketball players. Some boosters may think I just do not get it but I have my own priorities.
I'm all for the boosters getting extra perks and better seats to the events. They are carrying more of the load. The loyal fans support the program by paying the "market value" the University can charge for the experience at the current time. I have little doubt they will raise prices for the experience whenever they can in the future and that will likely be when the less active fans get more involved once they are winning and they decide "market value" is a good deal. The fact is the Athletic Department really needs to increase all levels of support to move up the ladder and stay there.
I'd prefer the seat upgrade process was transparent. I do not want to guess what donation is required to get better seats. I had inquired years ago and you would have thought I was asking for nuclear launch codes. I had club seats for a couple of seasons and they were half decent. There are other club seats that are IMHO great seats. Maybe they could hold a public auction for some of the better seats before each season? That would be wild. I would surely participate for a few good club seats.
Being a pro sports fan is more of a straight forward transaction that we are long accustomed to. They set prices to maximize their revenue over the long term. We can choose to either pay market value or not support the team. We are not asked for donations to improve the team. If the entertainment level is not high their players and coaches will not receive large salaries look at the WNBA for example. If the entertainment level is high the players and coaches will be well paid and franchises will thrive like the NBA for example.
I find it interesting that quite a few of the "blue blood" programs evolved in areas that have decent sized populations but little in the way of professional sports franchises so the schools had less competition to harvest cash available for sports entertainment. I expect the largest population centers to eventually rise to the top.
I suspect what annoys some of the non-boosters is that many programs are running deficits. It follows that participants are probably being compensated at levels exceeding the entertainment value when expenses are accounted for so we surmise that perhaps the coaching staffs are overpaid. We accuse them of not wanting to "share the pie". There have been many statements made by coaches about the current situation that are hypocritical self-serving BS. Boosters of the programs often make claims that people do not "get it" and ancillary benefits of having a good sports team is well worth it to the schools. Pro sports fan make similar arguments when cities are paying huge amounts to build sports stadiums for professional franchises. Many people who are not sports fans think we are all delusional.
I actually like that the formerly rule breaking programs now have to play on a more level playing field where you are not breaking laws/rules by participating but am not sure how this is all going to play out over time. Will I eventually become a booster? Will I stay a loyal fan that pays market value? Will I start to lose interest in college basketball if we do not improve? I enjoyed this past Rhody football season much more than the last 4 basketball seasons although some of my favorite all time sports memories are linked to Rhody hoops.
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Off topic, but I have a fund I'm in that has returned over 10% YTD. PM me and I'll give you the ticker. It's been pretty good over the years.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months ago
I appreciate the boosters big time but probably will not become one unless I win the lottery or my investments start performing.
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Funny off topic. Do we need a Rhody Investment help group also?
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Unbelievable amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid giving $10 a month
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
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PeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months ago Unbelievable amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid giving $10 a month
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
Totally agree, maybe for some it is the principle involved here. Call what you want, being shaken down, paying “students” already on free academic ride, let the employer pay the employees, on and on. It always comes down to consumer paying increased costs. Pay up, shut up, show up, wear Keaney Blue. Don’t like the product, move on with the piss away money to something else. Can’t fault the folks that find the Collective concept.
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Yeah but it's also like....its a consumer based economy! Markets are competitive and no one is forcing them to "pay up and shut up" So they're going to blow 10 dollars on chips and dip instead of directly helping their team acquire talent and win games?! Poison your body instead???section(105) wrote: ↑7 months agoPeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months ago Unbelievable amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid giving $10 a month
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
Totally agree, maybe for some it is the principle involved here. Call what you want, being shaken down, paying “students” already on free academic ride, let the employer pay the employees, on and on. It always comes down to consumer paying increased costs. Pay up, shut up, show up, wear Keaney Blue. Don’t like the product, move on with the piss away money to something else. Can’t fault the folks that find the Collective concept.
There are actual perks too and additional perks to come.
So now I've paid, got two cool decals, there's a discount at the Rhody Excellence store whenever it opens and I'm sure there will be events in the future that members can go to. Autographs, tailgates etc.
You're not getting taken advantage of. You're not being extorted. It's an OFFER to be part of an NIL collective or a club.
But some people are incredibly stubborn.
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Sounds like the Fast Break ClubPeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoYeah but it's also like....its a consumer based economy! Markets are competitive and no one is forcing them to "pay up and shut up" So they're going to blow 10 dollars on chips and dip instead of directly helping their team acquire talent and win games?! Poison your body instead???section(105) wrote: ↑7 months agoPeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months ago Unbelievable amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid giving $10 a month
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
Totally agree, maybe for some it is the principle involved here. Call what you want, being shaken down, paying “students” already on free academic ride, let the employer pay the employees, on and on. It always comes down to consumer paying increased costs. Pay up, shut up, show up, wear Keaney Blue. Don’t like the product, move on with the piss away money to something else. Can’t fault the folks that find the Collective concept.
There are actual perks too and additional perks to come.
So now I've paid, got two cool decals, there's a discount at the Rhody Excellence store whenever it opens and I'm sure there will be events in the future that members can go to. Autographs, tailgates etc.
You're not getting taken advantage of. You're not being extorted. It's an OFFER to be part of an NIL collective or a club.
But some people are incredibly stubborn.
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Now it is being referred to a a “club” ?………not a good vibe to that for me. OK, club seats in all the 100s sections, center court for the 200s for the club members, wait staff food and drink, roped off the the nonmembers, let the non members Parkin the fields, shuttle bus from Kingston Sta. And sitin the 300s…..maybe some are OK with that.theblueram wrote: ↑7 months agoSounds like the Fast Break ClubPeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months agoYeah but it's also like....its a consumer based economy! Markets are competitive and no one is forcing them to "pay up and shut up" So they're going to blow 10 dollars on chips and dip instead of directly helping their team acquire talent and win games?! Poison your body instead???section(105) wrote: ↑7 months ago
Totally agree, maybe for some it is the principle involved here. Call what you want, being shaken down, paying “students” already on free academic ride, let the employer pay the employees, on and on. It always comes down to consumer paying increased costs. Pay up, shut up, show up, wear Keaney Blue. Don’t like the product, move on with the piss away money to something else. Can’t fault the folks that find the Collective concept.
There are actual perks too and additional perks to come.
So now I've paid, got two cool decals, there's a discount at the Rhody Excellence store whenever it opens and I'm sure there will be events in the future that members can go to. Autographs, tailgates etc.
You're not getting taken advantage of. You're not being extorted. It's an OFFER to be part of an NIL collective or a club.
But some people are incredibly stubborn.
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Good stuff there, thank you for the view from where you sit.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months ago I'm not trying to infer that anyone in this discussion is dumb or has a stupid take. I'm sorry if I came off that way. I'd say we have many different points of view and my personal point of view keeps evolving.
We have boosters who are willing to donate substantial dollars into their favorite athletic programs hoping to raise the level of the program. We also have what I consider to be loyal fans who attend athletic events regularly, hit the concessions, 50/50 raffles and make occasional small donations that do not really move the needle (my current and default situation whenever I have lived in the local area) and another group of fans who show up less frequently in general but are more inclined to participate during the good times. The fan experience of course is better when the teams are competitive.
I appreciate the boosters big time but probably will not become one unless I win the lottery or my investments start performing. I realize we need them to elevate the level of the programs. I have considered joining them, but in reality, I have 2 nieces and 3 nephews who are soon to start entering college and they are not likely to be receiving full scholarships and stipends. They are going to have large expenses to get their education. I've weighed my options and decided I'd rather help each of them out with a lump sum upon graduation instead of contributing serious dollars to the NIL opportunities of some very good college basketball players. Some boosters may think I just do not get it but I have my own priorities.
I'm all for the boosters getting extra perks and better seats to the events. They are carrying more of the load. The loyal fans support the program by paying the "market value" the University can charge for the experience at the current time. I have little doubt they will raise prices for the experience whenever they can in the future and that will likely be when the less active fans get more involved once they are winning and they decide "market value" is a good deal. The fact is the Athletic Department really needs to increase all levels of support to move up the ladder and stay there.
I'd prefer the seat upgrade process was transparent. I do not want to guess what donation is required to get better seats. I had inquired years ago and you would have thought I was asking for nuclear launch codes. I had club seats for a couple of seasons and they were half decent. There are other club seats that are IMHO great seats. Maybe they could hold a public auction for some of the better seats before each season? That would be wild. I would surely participate for a few good club seats.
Being a pro sports fan is more of a straight forward transaction that we are long accustomed to. They set prices to maximize their revenue over the long term. We can choose to either pay market value or not support the team. We are not asked for donations to improve the team. If the entertainment level is not high their players and coaches will not receive large salaries look at the WNBA for example. If the entertainment level is high the players and coaches will be well paid and franchises will thrive like the NBA for example.
I find it interesting that quite a few of the "blue blood" programs evolved in areas that have decent sized populations but little in the way of professional sports franchises so the schools had less competition to harvest cash available for sports entertainment. I expect the largest population centers to eventually rise to the top.
I suspect what annoys some of the non-boosters is that many programs are running deficits. It follows that participants are probably being compensated at levels exceeding the entertainment value when expenses are accounted for so we surmise that perhaps the coaching staffs are overpaid. We accuse them of not wanting to "share the pie". There have been many statements made by coaches about the current situation that are hypocritical self-serving BS. Boosters of the programs often make claims that people do not "get it" and ancillary benefits of having a good sports team is well worth it to the schools. Pro sports fan make similar arguments when cities are paying huge amounts to build sports stadiums for professional franchises. Many people who are not sports fans think we are all delusional.
I actually like that the formerly rule breaking programs now have to play on a more level playing field where you are not breaking laws/rules by participating but am not sure how this is all going to play out over time. Will I eventually become a booster? Will I stay a loyal fan that pays market value? Will I start to lose interest in college basketball if we do not improve? I enjoyed this past Rhody football season much more than the last 4 basketball seasons although some of my favorite all time sports memories are linked to Rhody hoops.
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The hardest part about all this, is getting good.
Once we do, it should be easier to stay good, as long as we have a coach that stays a while.
Once we do, it should be easier to stay good, as long as we have a coach that stays a while.
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As a URI fan I assure you that my investment in alcohol is 100% necessaryPeterRamTime wrote: ↑7 months ago Unbelievable amounts of mental gymnastics to avoid giving $10 a month
I'm sure you all don't blow more than $10 on unnecessary shit like alcohol, tobacco, weed, fast food, fancy clothes etc.
I'm sure you are all incredibly frugal people that never waste money on anything! Especially not TEN dollars
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How many times has this highly paid hypocrite changed jobs at this time of year? Imagine making this kind of money and complaining about needing to manage your human resources. Corporate execs work circles around these basketball head coaches.
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I don't know why anyone would disagree with this. Players should be able to declare but I don't think the portal should open until the Tuesday after the championship.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoHow many times has this highly paid hypocrite changed jobs at this time of year? Imagine making this kind of money and complaining about needing to manage your human resources. Corporate execs work circles around these basketball head coaches.
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Hard pass
Fix the system and then I’ll consider
Give me a commitment to the team and then I’ll give a commitment to cash
One and done is not for me
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You should contact Dan Gavitt and let him know your feelings. Dan can fix it. He is the man - plus PC and NBE connections.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑7 months agoI don't know why anyone would disagree with this. Players should be able to declare but I don't think the portal should open until the Tuesday after the championship.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoHow many times has this highly paid hypocrite changed jobs at this time of year? Imagine making this kind of money and complaining about needing to manage your human resources. Corporate execs work circles around these basketball head coaches.
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Would imagine this is announcing some key players staying?
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NC State and UConn have teams in both the NCAA 2024 Men's AND Women's Final Fours. That is quite an accomplishment given some 350 teams compete in D1.
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I disagree simply because it really doesn't matter. Even if the portal wasn't open kids would announce it on their own and coaches and collectives would be reaching out to kids not announced for the portal to try and poach them. Might as well just get it out in the open as soon as possiblerjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑7 months agoI don't know why anyone would disagree with this. Players should be able to declare but I don't think the portal should open until the Tuesday after the championship.DeanDome88 wrote: ↑7 months agoHow many times has this highly paid hypocrite changed jobs at this time of year? Imagine making this kind of money and complaining about needing to manage your human resources. Corporate execs work circles around these basketball head coaches.
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If that's the case then this is sad. Has it come down to celebrating being able to keep some players you recruited a year or so ago? Guys like Cam and Fuchs are good players, but a 'Big Week' had better be getting some really good transfers to help a much needed upgrade with the roster.
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Billyboy78 wrote: ↑7 months agoIf that's the case then this is sad. Has it come down to celebrating being able to keep some players you recruited a year or so ago? Guys like Cam and Fuchs are good players, but a 'Big Week' had better be getting some really good transfers to help a much needed upgrade with the roster.
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Could just mean a big donation.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑7 months agoIf that's the case then this is sad. Has it come down to celebrating being able to keep some players you recruited a year or so ago? Guys like Cam and Fuchs are good players, but a 'Big Week' had better be getting some really good transfers to help a much needed upgrade with the roster.
I really don’t get our complaining sometimes.
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Lets hope Soloviev is putting up some big NIL $$$$Blue Man wrote: ↑7 months agoCould just mean a big donation.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑7 months agoIf that's the case then this is sad. Has it come down to celebrating being able to keep some players you recruited a year or so ago? Guys like Cam and Fuchs are good players, but a 'Big Week' had better be getting some really good transfers to help a much needed upgrade with the roster.
I really don’t get our complaining sometimes.
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Or the launch of the Rhody excellence store, announcements of events, how much has been raised, or a massive single donation.
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Bigger hope would be someone outside of the usual suspects that have been floating this program for decades. The only way Rhody competes in this era is if more donors come out of the woodwork and step up. Because based on the complaints from this board, it ain't coming from the rank and file fans.79RhodyFan wrote: ↑7 months agoLets hope Soloviev is putting up some big NIL $$$$Blue Man wrote: ↑7 months agoCould just mean a big donation.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑7 months ago
If that's the case then this is sad. Has it come down to celebrating being able to keep some players you recruited a year or so ago? Guys like Cam and Fuchs are good players, but a 'Big Week' had better be getting some really good transfers to help a much needed upgrade with the roster.
I really don’t get our complaining sometimes.
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I definitely did not take it as as meaning any sort of player announcements. I would be surprised if the collective was making those kinds of announcements but I could be wrong. I just assumed it was something related to Rhody Excellence and not a player. Like Rhody15 said, new events, the store, a big donation, something like that.
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UMass NIL Collective makes player announcements - I guess that's the only reason I was thinking that was a possibilityadam914 wrote: ↑7 months ago I definitely did not take it as as meaning any sort of player announcements. I would be surprised if the collective was making those kinds of announcements but I could be wrong. I just assumed it was something related to Rhody Excellence and not a player. Like Rhody15 said, new events, the store, a big donation, something like that.
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Yeah who knows, anything is possible these days!Section104 wrote: ↑7 months agoUMass NIL Collective makes player announcements - I guess that's the only reason I was thinking that was a possibilityadam914 wrote: ↑7 months ago I definitely did not take it as as meaning any sort of player announcements. I would be surprised if the collective was making those kinds of announcements but I could be wrong. I just assumed it was something related to Rhody Excellence and not a player. Like Rhody15 said, new events, the store, a big donation, something like that.
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Nice! That's great news!