Pitino got a starter in Ludlum in mid July taking a roster slot plus lots of playing time minutes
West Virginia has openings due to unexpected Huggins departure.
These late roster moves are unsettling to players on teams in positive and negative ways.
Mid season transfers some day?
Supposedly St. John's is still 1 over the scholarship limit.
Now with NIL some players if they get enough $, can afford to pay their way.
Teams are doing exactly that now. Going over the scholarship limit with NIL.
Especially common with FBS Football.
The Matador Club at Texas Tech........
The Matador Club that supports Texas Tech athletes plans to cover 120 Tech football players, Cody Campbell, one of the collective's founders, said this past week. The club in July 2022 signed 100 Tech football players to annual agreements of $25,000 apiece, then bumped the number to 105 shortly thereafter.
By going to 120 players, the agreements will cover virtually the entire team, including 35 walk-ons above the annual NCAA scholarship limit of 85 players. The $25,000 annual amount will stay the same this coming school year, Campbell said.
Supposedly St. John's is still 1 over the scholarship limit.
Now with NIL some players if they get enough $, can afford to pay their way.
Teams are doing exactly that now. Going over the scholarship limit with NIL.
Especially common with FBS Football.
Yep exactly Ramster.
The NIL gives teams an opportunity to beat the system, getting around scholarship limits.
These 35 additional players above the 85 scholarship limit gives a team the opportunity to develop more players in the weight room and at practices to see who rises to the top. Keeps many players from going to lesser FBS schools and to FCS schools.
Happening with baseball too. Texas Tech is paying the entire team plus I heard over $100,000 to every starter.......yet Tech just lost their best pitcher to Arkansas this week.
Wild West.
Mason Molina, the Texas Tech baseball team's No. 1 starting pitcher during the 2023 season, will transfer to Arkansas. Molina posted an Arkansas graphic on social media late Wednesday, and D1Baseball subsequently reported the development. The lefthander from Mission Viejo (Calif.)12 hours ago
I think everyone from our 2022-23 roster has found a landing spot, except Jalen Carey. It's still unclear to me how much he wanted to play college ball for 2023-24, since he also declared for the draft. He hasn't signed a pro contract anywhere, and his Twitter and Instagram are mostly radio silence, except for some pictures in NYC and Dubai. Parnell Pierre, a walk-on, also hasn't announced a new landing spot. This website has a pretty thorough list for all of college basketball.
SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago
I think everyone from our 2022-23 roster has found a landing spot, except Jalen Carey. It's still unclear to me how much he wanted to play college ball for 2023-24, since he also declared for the draft. He hasn't signed a pro contract anywhere, and his Twitter and Instagram are mostly radio silence, except for some pictures in NYC and Dubai. Parnell Pierre, a walk-on, also hasn't announced a new landing spot. This website has a pretty thorough list for all of college basketball.
A Temple reporter reported Carey was going pro. But Carey came out and said the report was false and he was still looking at college options. Very late in the off-season to be still looking for a school, will be interesting to see where he ends up.
As maligned as Carey is by some on here, I am flummoxed that he hasn't found a spot. He's good enough to be a significant contributor on many rosters, including our own. Maybe he's simply done and if that's his choice, I can certainly respect that.
Bleed Keaney Blue!
”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
Maybe they needed a center more than they needed Will McNair? Good GM'ing?
Yes. If the guy doesn't meet expectations playing in Spain and you can replace him with somebody better then why not? Better than planting him on the bench all season as a 5th year player.
Good GM'ing and expect to see more of it.
Maybe they needed a center more than they needed Will McNair? Good GM'ing?
Yes. If the guy doesn't meet expectations playing in Spain and you can replace him with somebody better then why not? Better than planting him on the bench all season as a 5th year player.
Good GM'ing and expect to see more of it.
There no longer exists loyalty either way. By coach or player. Either can leave whenever they want and play immediately. The idea of building a team of freshmen and coaching them for three years is gone. It's too easy to get whatever player you want now. It's this year or bust. I hope Archie got great transfers. I know the Rick did.
Teams are doing exactly that now. Going over the scholarship limit with NIL.
Especially common with FBS Football.
Yep exactly Ramster.
The NIL gives teams an opportunity to beat the system, getting around scholarship limits.
These 35 additional players above the 85 scholarship limit gives a team the opportunity to develop more players in the weight room and at practices to see who rises to the top. Keeps many players from going to lesser FBS schools and to FCS schools.
Happening with baseball too. Texas Tech is paying the entire team plus I heard over $100,000 to every starter.......yet Tech just lost their best pitcher to Arkansas this week.
Wild West.
Mason Molina, the Texas Tech baseball team's No. 1 starting pitcher during the 2023 season, will transfer to Arkansas. Molina posted an Arkansas graphic on social media late Wednesday, and D1Baseball subsequently reported the development. The lefthander from Mission Viejo (Calif.)12 hours ago
I give English and staff a lot of credit for landing a 4*(Rivals) big this late in the game reclassifying from '24 to '23.
I think a good trade-off with grad transfer McNair who would have had a very limited role off the bench.
Yep exactly Ramster.
The NIL gives teams an opportunity to beat the system, getting around scholarship limits.
These 35 additional players above the 85 scholarship limit gives a team the opportunity to develop more players in the weight room and at practices to see who rises to the top. Keeps many players from going to lesser FBS schools and to FCS schools.
Happening with baseball too. Texas Tech is paying the entire team plus I heard over $100,000 to every starter.......yet Tech just lost their best pitcher to Arkansas this week.
Wild West.
Mason Molina, the Texas Tech baseball team's No. 1 starting pitcher during the 2023 season, will transfer to Arkansas. Molina posted an Arkansas graphic on social media late Wednesday, and D1Baseball subsequently reported the development. The lefthander from Mission Viejo (Calif.)12 hours ago
I give English and staff a lot of credit for landing a 4*(Rivals) big this late in the game reclassifying from '24 to '23.
I think a good trade-off with grad transfer McNair who would have had a very limited role off the bench.
They Brizzed McNair. Pretty late in the game to Brizz a guy but that's the way the game is playing out. Interesting how these Summer Trips can be impacting roster make up. Supposed to be every 4 years a school can do an overseas trip - seems a lot longer than 4 years since URI did one. Maybe next year??
Crazy
Why did the parties involved wait until classes had started to make these moves?
With McNair entering the portal with classes having started, he would have to get a waiver to be eligible for the second semester, though nothing is guaranteed.
Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
We get that you feel this way, try and change your posts up every once in a while.
Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
But 72,
Who in the A10 does have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league? And even if they did have the money would they spend it chasing high school, Grad transfers, undergrad transfers, International players, etc?
The P5 schools are getting $50 million and up to $80 million per year each from media contracts. The Big East gets only $4 million per school which is peanuts compared to the P5 Football Powerhouses.
It doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong or bad that we don't or can't pony up these big bucks for players. Schools will settle into their appropriate brackets. The rules of the game have changed.
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Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
But 72,
Who in the A10 does have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league? And even if they did have the money would they spend it chasing high school, Grad transfers, undergrad transfers, International players, etc?
The P5 schools are getting $50 million $80 million per year each from media contracts. The Big East gets only $4 million per school which is peanuts compared to the P5 Football Powerhouses.
It doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong or bad that we don't or can't pony up these big bucks for players. Schools will settle into their appropriate brackets. The rules of the game have changed.
Now this is a realistic, reasonable summation of URI and the A-10 situation.
theblueram wrote: ↑1 year ago
There no longer exists loyalty either way. By coach or player. Either can leave whenever they want and play immediately. The idea of building a team of freshmen and coaching them for three years is gone. It's too easy to get whatever player you want now. It's this year or bust. I hope Archie got great transfers. I know the Rick did.
It never has nor ever will be “too easy” for Rhody to get any player they want. NIL, Portal have not changed the landscape all that much. We have to be the best at our level but it will never be easy.
Maybe they needed a center more than they needed Will McNair? Good GM'ing?
Yes. If the guy doesn't meet expectations playing in Spain and you can replace him with somebody better then why not? Better than planting him on the bench all season as a 5th year player.
Good GM'ing and expect to see more of it.
Word on the street is that McNair didn't buy in and expected an outsized role than what was promised to him. Sounds like there was a conversation with him and McNair made the decision to move on. Definitely a weird and less than ideal situation. Nice job to land on their feet quickly with Delaurier, but in terms of back up big for this upcoming season, they are razor thin.
Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
Does URI not have the money therefore they can't compete in the A league or because we aren't in an A league we don't get the money necessary?
Take down the Robert Carothers banner and fix the concession stand lines
I realize I'm kind of an outlier on this, but - I don't really think the money is going to make as huge of a difference as people think in the long run. The potential quality player pool is too large to ultimately corner the market, and above all else, players want playing time, which is finite. If some URI recruit manages to average 30 PPG this year and become a legit NBA prospect, he's going to get a huge NIL deal from a national company, not some car dealership in Warwick. The long history of professional sports also suggests that when you increase player movement, whether by loosening trade rules, instituting a salary cap or adopting free agency, you get more competition because teams can't hoard players.
SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago
I realize I'm kind of an outlier on this, but - I don't really think the money is going to make as huge of a difference as people think in the long run. The potential quality player pool is too large to ultimately corner the market, and above all else, players want playing time, which is finite. If some URI recruit manages to average 30 PPG this year and become a legit NBA prospect, he's going to get a huge NIL deal from a national company, not some car dealership in Warwick. The long history of professional sports also suggests that when you increase player movement, whether by loosening trade rules, instituting a salary cap or adopting free agency, you get more competition because teams can't hoard players.
Texas Tech raised NIl money to pay 40 guys $25,000 per year who are above and beyond the 85 Scholarship Limit. These 49 guys are working out, building skills and hope to compete for a roster spot. So NIl is enabling teams to increase their number of players by literally paying them. This hoarding keeps these potential one day FBS from competing for other teams.
Pitino let go all the St John's players when he took over except for the starting center. Kept just 1 guy.
Attached article about Coach Prime and how he let go almost the entire Colorado team - kept just 10 players.
Pat Narduzzi HC of Pittsburgh has choice words about what Sanders did but Sanders says he is just playing by the rules, as bad as they are.
SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago
I realize I'm kind of an outlier on this, but - I don't really think the money is going to make as huge of a difference as people think in the long run. The potential quality player pool is too large to ultimately corner the market, and above all else, players want playing time, which is finite. If some URI recruit manages to average 30 PPG this year and become a legit NBA prospect, he's going to get a huge NIL deal from a national company, not some car dealership in Warwick. The long history of professional sports also suggests that when you increase player movement, whether by loosening trade rules, instituting a salary cap or adopting free agency, you get more competition because teams can't hoard players.
Texas Tech raised NIl money to pay 40 guys $25,000 per year who are above and beyond the 85 Scholarship Limit. These 49 guys are working out, building skills and hope to compete for a roster spot. So NIl is enabling teams to increase their number of players by literally paying them. This hoarding keeps these potential one day FBS from competing for other teams.
Pitino let go all the St John's players when he took over except for the starting center. Kept just 1 guy.
Attached article about Coach Prime and how he let go almost the entire Colorado team - kept just 10 players.
Pat Narduzzi HC of Pittsburgh has choice words about what Sanders did but Sanders says he is just playing by the rules, as bad as they are.
Maybe they needed a center more than they needed Will McNair? Good GM'ing?
Yes. If the guy doesn't meet expectations playing in Spain and you can replace him with somebody better then why not? Better than planting him on the bench all season as a 5th year player.
Good GM'ing and expect to see more of it.
Word on the street is that McNair didn't buy in and expected an outsized role than what was promised to him. Sounds like there was a conversation with him and McNair made the decision to move on. Definitely a weird and less than ideal situation. Nice job to land on their feet quickly with Delaurier, but in terms of back up big for this upcoming season, they are razor thin.
I think Will McNair was considering La Salle before committing to PC. If he wants more of a role that would definitely be his best move, he’s from the Philly area I believe too.
SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 year ago
I realize I'm kind of an outlier on this, but - I don't really think the money is going to make as huge of a difference as people think in the long run. The potential quality player pool is too large to ultimately corner the market, and above all else, players want playing time, which is finite. If some URI recruit manages to average 30 PPG this year and become a legit NBA prospect, he's going to get a huge NIL deal from a national company, not some car dealership in Warwick. The long history of professional sports also suggests that when you increase player movement, whether by loosening trade rules, instituting a salary cap or adopting free agency, you get more competition because teams can't hoard players.
Texas Tech raised NIl money to pay 40 guys $25,000 per year who are above and beyond the 85 Scholarship Limit. These 49 guys are working out, building skills and hope to compete for a roster spot. So NIl is enabling teams to increase their number of players by literally paying them. This hoarding keeps these potential one day FBS from competing for other teams.
Pitino let go all the St John's players when he took over except for the starting center. Kept just 1 guy.
Attached article about Coach Prime and how he let go almost the entire Colorado team - kept just 10 players.
Pat Narduzzi HC of Pittsburgh has choice words about what Sanders did but Sanders says he is just playing by the rules, as bad as they are.
Counterpoint - Texas Tech sucks, and are already 0-1 after losing to Wyoming. Colorado sucked last year, so while I don't agree with Sanders' grandstanding methods, why would they want to keep a bunch of players from a one-win team? They were going to get a ton of new players, whether they used transfers or just went after HS recruits. (Also, I'd like to see them do it against someone that isn't TCU, who looked like they had a QB problem in that game, even though they scored like 45 points.)
The thing about NIL is that its going to work similarly to free agency in pro sports. Which is, if a guy is getting money, then there is going to be pressure on the coach to play him, or, to not over-recruit at his position. In pro sports, this usually leads to burning tons of playing time on guys just because you gave them too much guaranteed money.
Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
But 72,
...
So you agree with me that A10 institutions now compete in the B league, and most players and coaches who are late bloomers etc will leave for the A league if given the opportunity. This is extremely depressing to me. Somehow I don't believe that Bryant Univ will ever be satisfied being a B league institution.
Yes. If the guy doesn't meet expectations playing in Spain and you can replace him with somebody better then why not? Better than planting him on the bench all season as a 5th year player.
Good GM'ing and expect to see more of it.
Word on the street is that McNair didn't buy in and expected an outsized role than what was promised to him. Sounds like there was a conversation with him and McNair made the decision to move on. Definitely a weird and less than ideal situation. Nice job to land on their feet quickly with Delaurier, but in terms of back up big for this upcoming season, they are razor thin.
I think Will McNair was considering La Salle before committing to PC. If he wants more of a role that would definitely be his best move, he’s from the Philly area I believe too.
I haven’t heard anything specific to LaSalle, but that would make sense. We’ll see if that’s where he lands. I’m guessing he lands nowhere at this stage since he would need a waiver just for second semester.
Word on the street is that McNair didn't buy in and expected an outsized role than what was promised to him. Sounds like there was a conversation with him and McNair made the decision to move on. Definitely a weird and less than ideal situation. Nice job to land on their feet quickly with Delaurier, but in terms of back up big for this upcoming season, they are razor thin.
I think Will McNair was considering La Salle before committing to PC. If he wants more of a role that would definitely be his best move, he’s from the Philly area I believe too.
I haven’t heard anything specific to LaSalle, but that would make sense. We’ll see if that’s where he lands. I’m guessing he lands nowhere at this stage since he would need a waiver just for second semester.
Also if he doesn't get a waiver for 2nd semester, he may be out of time because he did RS his first season at NMSU.
Not sure but may need a special waiver to even be eligible for 24-25.
Seems like Castro was ahead of him off the bench and averaged about 11 pts/ 10 rebs in the 3 games in Spain.
They wouldn't have cut mcnair (unless it was a personal matter). They have a spare 'ship plus they have a Mason athlete that's coming off surgery. That's 11 guys. In the short term this is a neg. for English to lose a vet of SEC bb, as an experienced reserve.
IMO the top half team who wins the close BE,will be the one that stays healthiest. English has already seen two guys go under the knife.
Rhody72 wrote: ↑1 year ago
URI does not have the internal or NIL money to compete in the A league. Until we do, no top conference will be interested in us.
But 72,
...
So you agree with me that A10 institutions now compete in the B league, and most players and coaches who are late bloomers etc will leave for the A league if given the opportunity. This is extremely depressing to me. Somehow I don't believe that Bryant Univ will ever be satisfied being a B league institution.
Yes and no.
We always had the B League loosely defined as Mid Majors.
Players and Coaches who are late bloomers as you say have left for the A League (P5 or High Major) in the past but quicker and in much greater numbers today since the Free Transfer with no sit out penalty, NIL, not sit out Grad Year Transfers and free 5th Covid Year all came about.
Free agency with no contracts.
The $50 to $80 million per School for P5 Schools far exceeds the $4 million per school the Big East schools receive.
Separation into at least 2 levels seems on the horizon similar to FBS and FCS Football.
B League Schools will gravitate towards conferences that play all sports including Football. Conferences without Football will never command the huge $70 million annual money per school. Non Football schools will really struggle to keep up and likely fall back to a lower level.
KevanBoyles wrote: ↑1 year ago
My gut tells me Kim English is going to look a lot like David Cox in 4 years.
English and Cox are completely apples to oranges.
English has HC experience, Cox did not (unless you count his 3 games at Rutgers, which I do not).
Pretty cut and dry there, if English does fail, it really can't be compared to Cox.
Could only be compared to other mid major HCs who tried to make the jump to a power conference and failed.
They are very much comparable. English is different from Cox, but he's on his way to stardom. And in four years, he could be like Cox. But it's not a fact that it will be.
That’s going to be very interesting for sure , Kim seems like a nice guy but he’s with the rival now so I’m hoping he pulls a D Cox
I really couldn't care less what Kim English does other than one game a year. I only care what Archie Miller does.
You have multiple posts about PC, so if you couldn't care less, why continuously post about them? Seems odd.
It's hilarious to me when people here still say they don't care about PC.
They are our rivals and a 30 minute car ride up north.
We all should care about them and want them to have a miserable season year after year.
Huh? Are you confusing me with another poster? It's rare that I post about PC, other than responding to a comment here and there. I certainly don't go out of my way to pay much attention to what they are doing (easy to do when you live outside of RI), so unless I see news about them on KB or Twitter, I simply don't see anything about PC nor do I care to. I barely have time to follow my own teams let alone some other school 30 miles north of the one I follow. Sure there was a time when I hoped they'd go 0-30 every year, but those days of me actively going out of my way to pay attention to it are long gone. So no, in the grand scheme of things what they do is really of little importance to me.
Bleed Keaney Blue!
”I'm not coming there to be in the top 3 of the Atlantic 10. I'm coming to win the damn thing!”
