The Transfer Carousel - 2020-21

[SGreenwell]

I share a lot of the concerns here, but to offer one counterpoint - Pretty much in every professional sports league, when you do things to increase player movement, it has increased the competitiveness of the sport. Whether we're talking free agency in baseball, football and basketball, or when the NBA decreased the length of player contracts, all of these leagues have seen more competition since those changes.

College basketball hasn't been immune to this, either. Most of the rules enacted by the NCAA that would seemingly increase the power of the bigger schools - allowing more transfers, the money to do bigger and bigger practice facilities - hasn't actually translated to a consolidation of power by those teams. Loyola-Chicago made the Final Four in 2018, and this year, the final Top 25 poll had Dayton and San Diego State in the top 10. I realize those might seem like isolated examples, but I think more and more mid-major teams have been legitimate national title contenders in recent years.

Yeah, it sucks that we're going to lose Martin to this, and probably other good players in future years. However, the side effect is going to be that URI is probably going to be involved with more players transferring down - like the Mitchell twins currently - that might not have been realistic targets out of high school. Asking kids to be "loyal" in the 80s and 90s was a lot easier than now, when they're still not getting paid, some coaches are nearing the $10M/year contract threshold, and the NCAA basketball contract alone is valued at $8.8 billion.

[Rhody15]

I share a lot of the concerns here, but to offer one counterpoint - Pretty much in every professional sports league, when you do things to increase player movement, it has increased the competitiveness of the sport. Whether we're talking free agency in baseball, football and basketball, or when the NBA decreased the length of player contracts, all of these leagues have seen more competition since those changes.

College basketball hasn't been immune to this, either. Most of the rules enacted by the NCAA that would seemingly increase the power of the bigger schools - allowing more transfers, the money to do bigger and bigger practice facilities - hasn't actually translated to a consolidation of power by those teams. Loyola-Chicago made the Final Four in 2018, and this year, the final Top 25 poll had Dayton and San Diego State in the top 10. I realize those might seem like isolated examples, but I think more and more mid-major teams have been legitimate national title contenders in recent years.

Yeah, it sucks that we're going to lose Martin to this, and probably other good players in future years. However, the side effect is going to be that URI is probably going to be involved with more players transferring down - like the Mitchell twins currently - that might not have been realistic targets out of high school. Asking kids to be "loyal" in the 80s and 90s was a lot easier than now, when they're still not getting paid, some coaches are nearing the $10M/year contract threshold, and the NCAA basketball contract alone is valued at $8.8 billion.

While all that may be true, it’s tough to get fully invested in a team / kids when you know some/most of them won’t be at our school for all four years.

[RhowdyRam02]

I share a lot of the concerns here, but to offer one counterpoint - Pretty much in every professional sports league, when you do things to increase player movement, it has increased the competitiveness of the sport. Whether we're talking free agency in baseball, football and basketball, or when the NBA decreased the length of player contracts, all of these leagues have seen more competition since those changes.

College basketball hasn't been immune to this, either. Most of the rules enacted by the NCAA that would seemingly increase the power of the bigger schools - allowing more transfers, the money to do bigger and bigger practice facilities - hasn't actually translated to a consolidation of power by those teams. Loyola-Chicago made the Final Four in 2018, and this year, the final Top 25 poll had Dayton and San Diego State in the top 10. I realize those might seem like isolated examples, but I think more and more mid-major teams have been legitimate national title contenders in recent years.

Yeah, it sucks that we're going to lose Martin to this, and probably other good players in future years. However, the side effect is going to be that URI is probably going to be involved with more players transferring down - like the Mitchell twins currently - that might not have been realistic targets out of high school. Asking kids to be "loyal" in the 80s and 90s was a lot easier than now, when they're still not getting paid, some coaches are nearing the $10M/year contract threshold, and the NCAA basketball contract alone is valued at $8.8 billion.

While all that may be true, it’s tough to get fully invested in a team / kids when you know some/most of them won’t be at our school for all four years.

Why though? A player can only be at a school for 4-5 years, a coach can be in a place for 20 years easy. You never hear anyone say coaching movement stops fandom, but once players start moving people want to set their season tickets and tv on fire

[Rhody15]

Rhowdy, do you go to the games to watch “Coach ____” stand and yell and coach, or do you go to games to watch players play?

Nobody gets season tickets to watch a coach, they want to root for players.

[RhowdyRam02]

Rhowdy, do you go to the games to watch “Coach ____” stand and yell and coach, or do you go to games to watch players play?

Nobody gets season tickets to watch a coach, they want to root for players.

That's odd, I seem to remember a lot of season tickets being sold when Hurley got hired here. Is there any one player as iconic at Duke as Coach K? How about Syracuse and Boeheim? How about here and Keaney? Coaches are absolutely a huge part of the program if they stay long enough, but people want to hold college kids to a higher standard than the grownups making at least 6 figures to coach

[URI_05]

Rhowdy, do you go to the games to watch “Coach ____” stand and yell and coach, or do you go to games to watch players play?

Nobody gets season tickets to watch a coach, they want to root for players.

That's odd, I seem to remember a lot of season tickets being sold when Hurley got hired here. Is there any one player as iconic at Duke as Coach K? How about Syracuse and Boeheim? How about here and Keaney? Coaches are absolutely a huge part of the program if they stay long enough, but people want to hold college kids to a higher standard than the grownups making at least 6 figures to coach

I think this is easily provable. Look at Iona’s attendance this year and then revisit.

[Rhody15]

Fans usually get more emotionally attached to players than coaches, at least I do.

[rjsuperfly66]

I think more than fans going to watch the coach it’s about the excitement they are expected to bring to the court.

Pitino will draw eye-balls to Iona, but he’ll also bring results to the floor. If Iona is 3-24 in late February, no one is going to watch them, doesn’t matter who the coach is.

Same would be said for URI with Hurley or anyone else. If the team is 6-22 in the middle of a rebuild, I don’t care who the coach is they’ll be lucky to get 4-5k. If the team is 22-6, many games 6+ closer to a sellout.

Hurleys 2013 team averaged 4300. His 2014 team averaged 4400. Team has an NIT season, 5400. Fast forward a few years to reg season A10 champions, 6,200. Didn’t happen overnight. His name and connections didn’t drag fans to the arena, but his results did.

[Roz]

Ncaa bball will go the way of boxing because of the greed

[section(105)]

.......there will become a time where the P5/BE types play some type of Super D1 level with their own Tournament, huge national TV contracts, paid players, and then a secondary D1 level for all others with their own lesser Tournament, regional TV...........no?

[RF1]

Rhowdy, do you go to the games to watch “Coach ____” stand and yell and coach, or do you go to games to watch players play?

Nobody gets season tickets to watch a coach, they want to root for players.

That's odd, I seem to remember a lot of season tickets being sold when Hurley got hired here. Is there any one player as iconic at Duke as Coach K? How about Syracuse and Boeheim? How about here and Keaney? Coaches are absolutely a huge part of the program if they stay long enough, but people want to hold college kids to a higher standard than the grownups making at least 6 figures to coach

I think this is easily provable. Look at Iona’s attendance this year and then revisit.

The ceiling for attendance at Iona is 2,611 per game as that is the capacity of their recently renovated basketball home.

[rjsuperfly66]

The problem is basketball is ultimately driven by football. Conference realignment and TV revenue are driven by football with regards to P5. Many of these proposals start as football-first proposals. However, if it were the NCAA’s choice, they would not be paying players, and players would still have to sit. The likeness compensation decisions were driven by legal bills and public pressure, not conferences and teams trying to compensate players. There has been increasing public pressure for “equal” rights for college athletes. This has created these changes, not the “P5’s desire to squeeze out the little guys.” There are plenty of P5 basketball and football coaches who have spoken out against this rule change.

[Rhode_Island_Red]

.......there will become a time where the P5/BE types play some type of Super D1 level with their own Tournament, huge national TV contracts, paid players, and then a secondary D1 level for all others with their own lesser Tournament, regional TV...........no?

Once obvious nepotism hire Dan Gavitt can no longer pacify the Cartel, they’ll leave the NCAA and take all the television (and television money) with them. They’ll tell the networks that if they want Cartel football (including the lucrative championship playoff) they’ll take all the Cartel basketball, including the national championship tournament.

[reef]

With this new transfer rule we will be getting a lot of the transfers at P5 schools who can’t get playing time and want to come to URI to be the man

Those are the guys we have to get ??

[section(105)]

.......there will become a time where the P5/BE types play some type of Super D1 level with their own Tournament, huge national TV contracts, paid players, and then a secondary D1 level for all others with their own lesser Tournament, regional TV...........no?

Once obvious nepotism hire Dan Gavitt can no longer pacify the Cartel, they’ll leave the NCAA and take all the television (and television money) with them. They’ll tell the networks that if they want Cartel football (including the lucrative championship playoff) they’ll take all the Cartel basketball, including the national championship tournament.

.......sure, I guess there then would be a D3 ncaa champ, D2 champ and the lets call it D1A champ.....

[section(105)]

With this new transfer rule we will be getting a lot of the transfers at P5 schools who can’t get playing time and want to come to URI to be the man

Those are the guys we have to get ??

.......sure, makes sense to me.......question remains if our staff is seeking those transfers......?

[Rhode_Island_Red]

.......there will become a time where the P5/BE types play some type of Super D1 level with their own Tournament, huge national TV contracts, paid players, and then a secondary D1 level for all others with their own lesser Tournament, regional TV...........no?

Once obvious nepotism hire Dan Gavitt can no longer pacify the Cartel, they’ll leave the NCAA and take all the television (and television money) with them. They’ll tell the networks that if they want Cartel football (including the lucrative championship playoff) they’ll take all the Cartel basketball, including the national championship tournament.

.......sure, I guess there then would be a D3 ncaa champ, D2 champ and the lets call it D1A champ.....

Or maybe like the old days when they had the University Division and the College Division.

[BleedBlue87]

What I don't understand is there are far more non-P5 voting members on the D1 NCAA committees. Why continue to vote for proposals that will ultimately pigeon-hole the conference you are in?

[RhodyRam86]

Being able to transfer without sitting out a year is going to kill collegiate sports.

How about this idea...if you are on scholarship with your current school you must sit out a year to transfer. If you’re paying your own way through school you are free to transfer without sitting out a year.

[rambone 78]

How many are paying their own way?

Walk ons?

[RhodyRam86]

How many are paying their own way?

Walk ons?

Exactly. But if you want the freedom to be able to transfer without sitting out a year, then pay your own way.

Just an idea. It would at least hold kids a bit more accountable for their commitments. And it would limit the amount of transfers while still giving kids options.

[Running Ram]

Again, two full seasons with your first commitment before free transfer. Players that leave before their sophomore season is complete sit for a season or a half season. Commitment has to mean something.

[RhowdyRam02]

How many are paying their own way?

Walk ons?

Exactly. But if you want the freedom to be able to transfer without sitting out a year, then pay your own way.

Just an idea. It would at least hold kids a bit more accountable for their commitments. And it would limit the amount of transfers while still giving kids options.

Ok, and what restrictions do you plan on putting on coaches who constantly break contracts?

[Rhody Guy]

Buy outs

[rjsuperfly66]

Buyouts are a joke often covered by the school hiring them in some form of creative compensation.

[URIRecruitingInfo]

Each school should get only one "no sit-out waiver" a year.

[RhowdyRam02]

Buyouts are a joke often covered by the school hiring them in some form of creative compensation.

Exactly. So in the end, we're expecting college kids to be more responsible for their decisions when they're making no money than the adults coaching them making at least 6 figures.

The whole system is a mess all built around exploiting college kids. We can't pay them even though they bring in all this money, because you see they need to be treated like any other college student. So they say ok, treat us like every other college student including athletes in sports that don't bring in money and let us transfer with no penalty. Now all of a sudden they can't do that because that hurts fans feelings.

[Section104]

Jermaine Harris transferring

[LoveThoseRams]

Jermaine Harris transferring

I just saw his IG post...
"Thank You for the opportunity to play here"

[Section104]

Jermaine Harris transferring

I just saw his IG post...
"Thank You for the opportunity to play here"

Yes that’s what i was going off of - sorry for confusion

[SmartyBarrett]

Yeah, sure looks like it.

[Rhodyhooopz]

is this a joke?

[FDshoes]

is this a joke?

Doubtful. I said yesterday we were going to end up with atleast 1 or 2 more leaving

[Rhodyhooopz]

can someone post his IG

[hrstrat57]

Sadly won’t surprise me. He’s clearly struggled in Cox’s high post offense.

Might see something else out there that he’ll fit better into.

He looked like he was finally dialing things in a bit and I still had high hopes he might finish as the 4 star we recruited.

Hopefully he stays.

I expect if Hurley’s last recruit leaves Thorr will have to intervene?

We are on fumes here folks...

[LoveThoseRams]

can someone post his IG

It is in his "Story Feed" not a photo....I can try to screenshot it.

He cleaned the rest of his Instagram but for 2 photos.

[A Ramfan In SK]

Here

[Rhodyhooopz]

i dont have IG. But i am about to lose my shit. This might end up being even a worse hire than Jerry Duh

[LoveThoseRams]

here is the IG Post

[Rhodymob05]

GET ON THE PHONE THORR

[Rhodyhooopz]

OK hold on that is dated 3/4/20. That is 3 weeks old.

[LoveThoseRams]

OK hold on that is dated 3/4/20. That is 3 weeks old.

Yes the date on the photo is 3/4 but he just posted it on his feed.

[RhodyRams916]

OK hold on that is dated 3/4/20. That is 3 weeks old.

That date is just the date of the Dayton game. He was putting it there because of the picture in the story post.

[Rhody15]

Cox has got to go, not other way around it.

Holy hell what a shitshow this has become.

[FDshoes]

OK hold on that is dated 3/4/20. That is 3 weeks old.

The picture was dated that the post was 30 minutes ago. Thats atleast what i saw thru my IG story feed

[Rhodyhooopz]

we need to prove or disprove the Harris thing ASAP.

[Rhodymob05]

Cox first two seasons were A10 semi finals and a possible NCAA bid. Thats pretty damn good in my book. The way players and some fans are acting are as if we went winnless.

[DC_Rams]

Jermaine Harris transferring

Hold your horses.

[LoveThoseRams]

Jermaine Harris transferring

Hold your horses.

Hope you have some inside optimism on this one DC.

[Section104]

Jermaine Harris transferring

Hold your horses.

Jermaine is just randomly thanking all fans for the opportunity to play here after his Sophomore season?