2019-20 Bracketology

[reef]

Yeah that was a great article indeed and basically tells us where we stand as far as all the metrics

[PeterRamTime]

There is a path where Richmond wins out, we take care of everyone but Dayton, then it is Richmond-URI in the semifinal. By the day before the selection show, my hope is we are fairly certain both teams are in and it means nothing, but this game could also turn into "loser leaves town" if Richmond's numbers are closer to Rhody's by then...

I was thinking the same thing last night.

Dayton 1-seed
URI 2-seed
Richmond 3-seed
Saint Louis or anyone else 4-seed

Means URI or Richmond will play Dayton in Championship

If Richmond beats URI that gives URI 2 losses vs Richmond

Even if URI beats SLU, loses to Dayton, beats UMASS and wins Quarterfinal games but loses in Semi Final to Richmond my guess is only 2 from A10 go.

I think URI needs SLU, UMASS, Q-Final and Semi-Final wins to get in. A Tall Task but doable.

I agree with this assessment. I don’t think the A 10 gets three teams: not enough quad 1 opportunities in the league schedule, while the P5 schools have plenty. If a team like St Louis or Davidson gets hot and runs the table in the tournament, I think it could very well be just that team and Dayton in the dance.

If Richmond wins out and wins in the quarterfinal game I think they will be in the last teams in slot.

They have 3 quad 1 wins.

I think that is what we want to root for. Unless we are in "MUST WIN CONF TOURNEY" mode at that point. To play the strongest Richmond team possible in the semis would be best for us as it would be a quad 1 game and potential win over a tournament team.

[phipsiGD'11]

Unless we finish 3-0, we need to go to A10 finals. Simple as that. We lose to Dayton next week, we cannot afford to lose to anyone again until A10 Finals.

[section(105)]

Unless we finish 3-0, we need to go to A10 finals. Simple as that. We lose to Dayton next week, we cannot afford to lose to anyone again until A10 Finals.

........tall order, given our health status, going to UMess.......trying to stay positive, all starts a Sunday.....

[ramster]

We need a boost of confidence similar to this.


https://www.wpri.com/sports/pc-embracin ... nova-game/

[Shinze88]

Unless we finish 3-0, we need to go to A10 finals. Simple as that. We lose to Dayton next week, we cannot afford to lose to anyone again until A10 Finals.

........tall order, given our health status, going to UMess.......trying to stay positive, all starts a Sunday.....

You'd think that any combination of games that gets us to 23 wins should get us a bid, barring any multiple bid stealers from conference tournaments

[section(105)]

......oh those damn bid stealers from other conferences......given where we are now, the UMess game could redefine “must win....”......and if loss there, then running the table in Brooklyn is the only path .....no?

[PeterRamTime]

Unless we finish 3-0, we need to go to A10 finals. Simple as that. We lose to Dayton next week, we cannot afford to lose to anyone again until A10 Finals.

........tall order, given our health status, going to UMess.......trying to stay positive, all starts a Sunday.....

You'd think that any combination of games that gets us to 23 wins should get us a bid, barring any multiple bid stealers from conference tournaments

There doesnt really seem to be very many bird stealers this year. Of course there could be, but of the top mid majors, none of them have good tournament resume's.

Northern Iowa, Liberty, ETSU, UNC Greensboro have all lost too many bad games.

ETSU probably has the strongest resume out of the bunch.

[TruePoint]

It’s good that there are limited bid theft opportunities in the mid majors, but P5 teams can be bid stealers, too. You just never know how it will shake out. Maybe the only thing we can say with certainty is that the more games we win and the longer our season lasts, the better off we will be.

[Rhodymob05]

Lets not forget that we are still technically one of the hottest teams in the country winning 12/14 games with both losses on the road to #6 team dayton and a tough Davidson team.

[PeterRamTime]

Lets not forget that we are still technically one of the hottest teams in the country winning 12/14 games with both losses on the road to #6 team dayton and a tough Davidson team.

Yeah, but we havent beaten anybody good since the VCU game here in RI and now they aren't even good. People look at that too.

[Section104]

A few random notes:

1. Davidson has statistically been a top 20 team the last month (source below)...they're exactly 1 slot behind Dayton.


2. To simplify our tournament hopes: if we win all the games we will be favored in (H: STL, A: Umass; N: Quarterfinal N: Semifinal) and lose the games we'll be underdog (H: Dayton, N: final (if it's Dayton) then we'll dance

[TruePoint]

We had em and we let em off the hook

[RhowdyRam02]

In the latest Bracketville update we're now fourth to last in and playing a Dayton play-in game against UCLA for the right to take on Michigan in Sacramento

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

[PeterRamTime]

In the latest Bracketville update we're now fourth to last in and playing a Dayton play-in game against UCLA for the right to take on Michigan in Sacramento

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

Would be cool to beat UCLA like the Bonnies did.

So long as we get in.

[Rhody15]

Jerry Palm has us vs PC in a play in game...

[adam914]

I feel like we'll probably avoid a play in game situation either way. If we win the games we should win we'll be pretty safely in, and unfortunately if we lose any of the games we should win I think we'll be pretty safely out. I guess the A10 tourney is the one wild card depending on matchups, but I am struggling to think of a scenario where we'd be right on the cut line once the remaining games have been played.

[PeterRamTime]

Jerry Palm has us vs PC in a play in game...

MUST WIN

[RhowdyRam02]

Jerry Palm has us vs PC in a play in game...

I'd be really surprised if that happened, don't they try to avoid having teams play a rematch early in the tournament?

[Rhody15]

Jerry Palm has us vs PC in a play in game...

I'd be really surprised if that happened, don't they try to avoid having teams play a rematch early in the tournament?

Pretty sure that’s only for the round of 64.

[Rhodymob05]

I can't look at this stuff until Monday. Just win baby.

[wpbrown8267]

In the latest Bracketville update we're now fourth to last in and playing a Dayton play-in game against UCLA for the right to take on Michigan in Sacramento

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

Would be cool to beat UCLA like the Bonnies did.

So long as we get in.

Would be cool not to have to play in the “play-in” game

[TruePoint]

It would be good in a sense, but those play-in games count as full tournament units, and it also would set you up for a much better R32 game if you are fortunate to get there. So from a respect standpoint, a rest standpoint and from a probability of getting out of the R64 standpoint, it’s worse. From a potential to get to the second weekend it is at worst a wash and from a financial standpoint it is probably a plus. I’m truthfully not that worried about it, I just want to get there. Similar to how posters here say they just want to win the game and it doesn’t matter by 1 or by 30.

[bkoeppen]

I can't look at this stuff until Monday. Just win baby.

100%

[PeterRamTime]

I'm with TP.

Doesnt matter how, so long as we make it. Anything less is almost devastating. Anything more is a huge bonus.

Just getting there, considering everything we have been through, would be more than enough.

[Rhodymob05]

Part of the reason we are on the bubble

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Part of the reason we are on the bubble

As Micheal Ray Richardson once said, “the ship be sinking.”

After he said that, someone asked how bad it could get. His response? “Sky’s the limit.”

[UCH21377]

........tall order, given our health status, going to UMess.......trying to stay positive, all starts a Sunday.....

You'd think that any combination of games that gets us to 23 wins should get us a bid, barring any multiple bid stealers from conference tournaments

There doesnt really seem to be very many bird stealers this year. Of course there could be, but of the top mid majors, none of them have good tournament resume's.

Northern Iowa, Liberty, ETSU, UNC Greensboro have all lost too many bad games.

ETSU probably has the strongest resume out of the bunch.

ETSU has a win at LSU if I'm not mistaken. Plus SFA has it's win at Duke. Maybe somebody other than SDSU or Utah ST wins the Mountain West. Plenty of things can go wrong.

[PeterRamTime]

Part of the reason we are on the bubble

Thise VCU fans are a lot more supportive than we would be had we just lost 5 games in a row.

[reef]

Yeah amazing how they really fell off a cliff , nobody saw this coming

[ramster]

You'd think that any combination of games that gets us to 23 wins should get us a bid, barring any multiple bid stealers from conference tournaments

There doesnt really seem to be very many bird stealers this year. Of course there could be, but of the top mid majors, none of them have good tournament resume's.

Northern Iowa, Liberty, ETSU, UNC Greensboro have all lost too many bad games.

ETSU probably has the strongest resume out of the bunch.

ETSU has a win at LSU if I'm not mistaken. Plus SFA has it's win at Duke. Maybe somebody other than SDSU or Utah ST wins the Mountain West. Plenty of things can go wrong.

Dick Vitale had a segment during the Dayton Davidson ESPN2 Game Friday night whereby he ripped apart Purdue and how the NCAA has no business putting them in the Tournament with their bad record

He had a list of Mid Majors with excellent records that he felt. UCF more deserving

Included in the list from my memory
Northern Iowa
East Tennessee State
Liberty
Steven F Austin
And several others

[RhodyKyle]

There doesnt really seem to be very many bird stealers this year. Of course there could be, but of the top mid majors, none of them have good tournament resume's.

Northern Iowa, Liberty, ETSU, UNC Greensboro have all lost too many bad games.

ETSU probably has the strongest resume out of the bunch.

ETSU has a win at LSU if I'm not mistaken. Plus SFA has it's win at Duke. Maybe somebody other than SDSU or Utah ST wins the Mountain West. Plenty of things can go wrong.

Dick Vitale had a segment during the Dayton Davidson ESPN2 Game Friday night whereby he ripped apart Purdue and how the NCAA has no business putting them in the Tournament with their bad record

He had a list of Mid Majors with excellent records that he felt. UCF more deserving

Included in the list from my memory
Northern Iowa
East Tennessee State
Liberty
Steven F Austin
And several others

To pair with their win at Duke, SFA has a home loss to NET #317 Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and played the 344th hardest schedule. SFA has a great win, a horrendous loss (worse than URI's Brown loss), and wins over nothing but cupcakes.

Not a chance they receive an at-large bid (this is more directed towards Dicky V and UCH).

[ramster]

ETSU has a win at LSU if I'm not mistaken. Plus SFA has it's win at Duke. Maybe somebody other than SDSU or Utah ST wins the Mountain West. Plenty of things can go wrong.

Dick Vitale had a segment during the Dayton Davidson ESPN2 Game Friday night whereby he ripped apart Purdue and how the NCAA has no business putting them in the Tournament with their bad record

He had a list of Mid Majors with excellent records that he felt. UCF more deserving

Included in the list from my memory
Northern Iowa
East Tennessee State
Liberty
Steven F Austin
And several others

To pair with their win at Duke, SFA has a home loss to NET #317 Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and played the 344th hardest schedule. SFA has a great win, a horrendous loss (worse than URI's Brown loss), and wins over nothing but cupcakes.

Not a chance they receive an at-large bid (this is more directed towards Dicky V and UCH).

Vitale had a list, didn’t mean he endorsed all the teams but he more just showed the list but he specifically mentioned ETSU and Liberty. His focus was on the great records these mid majors had with many having only 3 losses.

He was comparing them to Purdue who he said did not deserve to be in the Tournament. He was calling out the NCAA and said this would not be the only time he calls out Purdue in the coming days. He was saying how can you take a team with as many losses as Purdue has yet leave out so many mid majors with such tremendous records.

He was challenging Purdue’s high NET Ranking as well.

Vitale and the others on ESPN did significant positive promotion last night of Dayton, Obi Toppin, URI, the A10 in general and Mid Majors with strong records.

[UCH21377]

ETSU has a win at LSU if I'm not mistaken. Plus SFA has it's win at Duke. Maybe somebody other than SDSU or Utah ST wins the Mountain West. Plenty of things can go wrong.

Dick Vitale had a segment during the Dayton Davidson ESPN2 Game Friday night whereby he ripped apart Purdue and how the NCAA has no business putting them in the Tournament with their bad record

He had a list of Mid Majors with excellent records that he felt. UCF more deserving

Included in the list from my memory
Northern Iowa
East Tennessee State
Liberty
Steven F Austin
And several others

To pair with their win at Duke, SFA has a home loss to NET #317 Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and played the 344th hardest schedule. SFA has a great win, a horrendous loss (worse than URI's Brown loss), and wins over nothing but cupcakes.

Not a chance they receive an at-large bid (this is more directed towards Dicky V and UCH).

You are probably right about SFA, but the larger point I was trying to make is that you cannot assume there will be no bid stealers. I think ETSU does have a solid chance as an at-large.

[UCH21377]

One more thing: just my opinion, but I believe great wins outweigh bad losses in the eyes of the committee.

[RamStock]

One more thing: just my opinion, but I believe great wins outweigh bad losses in the eyes of the committee.

This isn’t good news for us if this is true unless we beat Dayton. ETSU is in great shape if they lose in their conference finals to a Furman or Greensboro as they are both very good teams. ETSU has a very good NET ranking

[Rhode_Island_Red]

Obvious nepotism hire Dan Gavitt has one job: Keep The Cartel pacified.

[Joe95]

PC up 12-3 at Villanova to start the game.
This team is well on the way to making the tourney, peaking at the right time. By far are most quality win of the season.

[ramster]

20-17 PC with 3 minutes left in half

Pipkins and White have 17 of the 20 points - the 2 PC point guards really stepping up these last several games.

[Joe95]

Providence is about to cement their spot in the Dance. Let's hope we can we can say the same by next weekend. The script has flipped the last few weeks with us squarely on the bubble and PC going from no chance to dance to basically guaranteeing an at-large bid if they close out this game today. Crazy last 3 weeks

[Rhody15]

Lose to Dayton and it’s A10 finals or NIT for us.

I don’t see how we make it if we lose in the semis.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Obvious nepotism hire Dan Gavitt has one job: Keep The Cartel pacified.

Have I heard that before? Or, did you make that up just now?

[NYGFan_Section208]

One more thing: just my opinion, but I believe great wins outweigh bad losses in the eyes of the committee.

This isn’t good news for us if this is true unless we beat Dayton. ETSU is in great shape if they lose in their conference finals to a Furman or Greensboro as they are both very good teams. ETSU has a very good NET ranking

So, what you're saying is that there's no good news for us either way? If great wins are more important, we're lacking...if not having bad losses was more important, we'd be hosed there, too. That is not optimistic. Cheer up, if we don't lose again, we're definitely in, won't matter what anyone else does...keep eyes on the prize and take care o' bidness (see what I did there?).

[theblueram]

Providence is about to cement their spot in the Dance. Let's hope we can we can say the same by next weekend. The script has flipped the last few weeks with us squarely on the bubble and PC going from no chance to dance to basically guaranteeing an at-large bid if they close out this game today. Crazy last 3 weeks

What script was flipped? We are still squarely in the brackets (I think 9 deep last check). The only thing is pc played itself in over other bubble teams who have lost.

[Joe95]

Providence is about to cement their spot in the Dance. Let's hope we can we can say the same by next weekend. The script has flipped the last few weeks with us squarely on the bubble and PC going from no chance to dance to basically guaranteeing an at-large bid if they close out this game today. Crazy last 3 weeks

What script was flipped? We are still squarely in the brackets (I think 9 deep last check). The only thing is pc played itself in over other bubble teams who have lost.

We are fighting for our tourney lives in every game from here on out. PC if they win today will have gone from nowhere near the field to only worrying about seeding from here on out.

[Joe95]

Both teams seem to be trending in different directions.

[Rhody15]

At this rate, PC is gonna jump right over us.

[theblueram]

The sky is falling the sky is falling. We lost to Dayton and Davidson on the road. Those are the only losses in the last 14 games. I'll revisit if we lose to SLU which I don't expect.

[PeterRamTime]

Simultaneously, PC doing so well does help us to an extent.

They're taking us with them a little bit.

Richmond is surviving off their win over Wisconsin a lot.

Just saying, if theres a bubble team we would want to start ascending then its them. It's not the most unfortunate thing.

Let's pick up another Q2 tomorrow.

[theblueram]

Also, pc winning is making up for the VCU crapshow they are putting up.