The players last practice is July 24th or 25th and then they leave campus until the end of August.
From a recruiting perspective the rest of July is a Dead Period (no in person contact) except for Evaluation Period at the NCAA Youth Development camps (July 23-28). It is rumored that the recruits from AAU sponsored teams are going to boycott these camps. August 1-Sept 8 is a Quiet Period (only contact can be on campus) - because the current players are away coaches don’t schedule campus visits in August. August is vacation month.
The players last practice is July 24th or 25th and then they leave campus until the end of August.
From a recruiting perspective the rest of July is a Dead Period (no in person contact) except for Evaluation Period at the NCAA Youth Development camps (July 23-28). It is rumored that the recruits from AAU sponsored teams are going to boycott these camps. August 1-Sept 8 is a Quiet Period (only contact can be on campus) - because the current players are away coaches don’t schedule campus visits in August. August is vacation month.
Seems like all the more reason why this should have all been resolved before July. I realize its not necessarily that simple of course.
Based on my work experience I believe that when an employee is out on sick leave (Carroll is out on unpaid sick leave until July 30th), the employer has to provide the employee with a similar job at a similar pay upon their return. So if they replaced Carroll before July 30th, they would’ve had to offer him an administrative position (no coaching jobs left) at $110,000+. Holding off one month saves URI that money. They also have to consider the legal issue regarding discrimination against a protected employee class. I believe people 60+ years old are a protected class. Carroll is 63 years old. Anyone in employment law or Human Resources might be able to speak better to these issues.
The release isn’t clear. It says that the vacancy is expected to be filled by 7/30, but also references the mid August timeline for a completed staff.
Rhody83 wrote: ↑4 years ago
Based on my work experience I believe that when an employee is out on sick leave (Carroll is out on unpaid sick leave until July 30th), the employer has to provide the employee with a similar job at a similar pay upon their return. So if they replaced Carroll before July 30th, they would’ve had to offer him an administrative position (no coaching jobs left) at $110,000+. Holding off one month saves URI that money. They also have to consider the legal issue regarding discrimination against a protected employee class. I believe people 60+ years old are a protected class. Carroll is 63 years old. Anyone in employment law or Human Resources might be able to speak better to these issues.
RhodyRams12 wrote: ↑4 years ago
The release isn’t clear. It says that the vacancy is expected to be filled by 7/30, but also references the mid August timeline for a completed staff.
It’s interpreting the wording. The wording says:
“and also ensure that the URI basketball staff will be complete by mid August.”
AND
“He currently is on unpaid sick leave, and this will remain in effect through July 30, at which time the department expects to fill our vacancy.”
So the July 30th date is in reference to the end of Carroll’s unpaid sick leave. The “at which time” is a little confusing.
I believe the job posting will be open thru either July 30th or Aug 1st so they can’t officially hire anyone until after the job posting is closed.
“basketball staff” also includes Director of Basketball Operations (TJ’s current position), Director of Player Development (Jerrell’s current position), Video Coordinator (Ryan’s current position). Once TJ gets hired as an assistant they will need to post and fill the DBO job. If others are promoted their positions will need to be filled.
Rhody83 wrote: ↑4 years ago
It is certainly our hope that Coach Carroll's health will allow him to apply
How does URI prevent unhealthy people from applying?
They don’t. They don’t have to hire people whose health would “not allow” them to complete the “rigors required to serve in this capacity” (assistant coach’s requirements).
Rhody83 wrote: ↑4 years ago
It is certainly our hope that Coach Carroll's health will allow him to apply
How does URI prevent unhealthy people from applying?
They don’t. They don’t have to hire people whose health would “not allow” them to complete the “rigors required to serve in this capacity” (assistant coach’s requirements).
I know but the wording (obviously the result of a negotiated agreement) is weird.
Rhody83 wrote: ↑4 years ago
Based on my work experience I believe that when an employee is out on sick leave (Carroll is out on unpaid sick leave until July 30th), the employer has to provide the employee with a similar job at a similar pay upon their return. So if they replaced Carroll before July 30th, they would’ve had to offer him an administrative position (no coaching jobs left) at $110,000+. Holding off one month saves URI that money. They also have to consider the legal issue regarding discrimination against a protected employee class. I believe people 60+ years old are a protected class. Carroll is 63 years old. Anyone in employment law or Human Resources might be able to speak better to these issues.
"The law prohibits discrimination in any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, benefits, and any other term or condition of employment." https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/age.cfm
I believe he had a 1 year contract and also believe that once the contract is up all bets are off and the school has no obligation to continue his pay.
Reading the statement from URI and Carroll, and accepting that there are things going on in the background that will and should remain private, I think the University and athletic department are handling the right way, all things considered.
Everyone’s a critic, I get that. And obviously I wish that we were allowed to act more decisively in these matters. But with the red tape we are all aware of and with the complication of Carroll’s medical situation from a legal, ethical and moral standpoint, I want to just put a flag in the ground here that considering the constraints I think they’ve done as good of a job with this as they can.
"If you build it, they will come." --Us, circa 2011
Because of state procedure policies, there are limitations to what can be said, but I wanted to try and help clear up a couple things.
Earlier this offseason, there was a job posting that many of you saw. This was for Kevin Sutton's position. Because of the timing of having to put together the entire staff last offseason, a one-year waiver was granted by the state to hire Sutton without a full search. When the one-year waiver expired, state process requires the position to be posted and a full search conducted, which was done. While Coach Sutton was already on staff, he could not simply be renewed without going through the search process.
There is one active search ongoing. Without getting into specifics of the active search, when openings are posted, they are up for 10 business days before the search committee can move forward with the actual interview process. Once the posting is active for the required period, the search committee must submit names for interview candidates, and those candidates must be approved by HR and Affirmative Action before moving forward with the actual interviews. This process can take time.
After the interviews, approvals must again be granted before any official offers can be extended. So while there is a 10-day posting, the process takes longer due to the various review/approval steps. If language is ever changed in job descriptions, that can add time to the process as well, as the changes must be reviewed at different steps before the job can actually be posted.
It is a process, to be sure. I hope this helps a little.
Thanks, Shane. These rules are are arcane. Will there be efforts to streamline the rules without affecting EEO requirements? Surely other state universities need to follow state hiring regs?
Let's start some wild speculation: how about Sean McAloon, JD's high school coach who just won a national championship with IMG
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
eli#10 wrote: ↑4 years ago
I believe he had a 1 year contract and also believe that once the contract is up all bets are off and the school has no obligation to continue his pay.
You are correct about the pay that is why Carroll has been on unpaid leave since June 1st.
You are incorrect about all bets are off. He was out on short term disability.
Iggy1979 wrote: ↑4 years ago
Let's start some wild speculation: how about Sean McAloon, JD's high school coach who just won a national championship with IMG
Taylor Swift wrote: ↑4 years ago
FWIW I always scope the URI job board and there are so many issues with the job titles and descriptions themselves. They still hire “word processing typists” and the job description says “must be able to replace typewriter ribbon”. I have no idea what that even means!
Not surprised at all and normally would be amused.
Oh I used to be disgusted
And now I try to be amused.
Because of state procedure policies, there are limitations to what can be said, but I wanted to try and help clear up a couple things.
Earlier this offseason, there was a job posting that many of you saw. This was for Kevin Sutton's position. Because of the timing of having to put together the entire staff last offseason, a one-year waiver was granted by the state to hire Sutton without a full search. When the one-year waiver expired, state process requires the position to be posted and a full search conducted, which was done. While Coach Sutton was already on staff, he could not simply be renewed without going through the search process.
There is one active search ongoing. Without getting into specifics of the active search, when openings are posted, they are up for 10 business days before the search committee can move forward with the actual interview process. Once the posting is active for the required period, the search committee must submit names for interview candidates, and those candidates must be approved by HR and Affirmative Action before moving forward with the actual interviews. This process can take time.
After the interviews, approvals must again be granted before any official offers can be extended. So while there is a 10-day posting, the process takes longer due to the various review/approval steps. If language is ever changed in job descriptions, that can add time to the process as well, as the changes must be reviewed at different steps before the job can actually be posted.
It is a process, to be sure. I hope this helps a little.
Shane
I wonder who had to explain these state hiring process and procedures to Danny Hurley back when he started. Lol.
Because of state procedure policies, there are limitations to what can be said, but I wanted to try and help clear up a couple things.
Earlier this offseason, there was a job posting that many of you saw. This was for Kevin Sutton's position. Because of the timing of having to put together the entire staff last offseason, a one-year waiver was granted by the state to hire Sutton without a full search. When the one-year waiver expired, state process requires the position to be posted and a full search conducted, which was done. While Coach Sutton was already on staff, he could not simply be renewed without going through the search process.
There is one active search ongoing. Without getting into specifics of the active search, when openings are posted, they are up for 10 business days before the search committee can move forward with the actual interview process. Once the posting is active for the required period, the search committee must submit names for interview candidates, and those candidates must be approved by HR and Affirmative Action before moving forward with the actual interviews. This process can take time.
After the interviews, approvals must again be granted before any official offers can be extended. So while there is a 10-day posting, the process takes longer due to the various review/approval steps. If language is ever changed in job descriptions, that can add time to the process as well, as the changes must be reviewed at different steps before the job can actually be posted.
It is a process, to be sure. I hope this helps a little.
Shane
I wonder who had to explain these state hiring process and procedures to Danny Hurley back when he started. Lol.
Hard to do business with
Reasons why R.I. came in 50th as worst state for business
If there were 51 states RI would have been 51st. 100 states: “you betcha” #100!
RI= first in war, last in peace (first to declare independence from England, last to ratify the constitution). Kind of downhill after the Industrial Revolution.
Yes, that is correct. The office of Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity and Diversity that reviews every applicant pool for every state job at the University. It is a two-person staff, and every candidate pool/official offer must be approved by one of the two people. It is separate from HR, and you can imagine the number of applications/resumes they review with every job opening the school posts.
Having served on multiple search committees, I can verify that they really do look at all resumes and will in fact question why or why not candidates are offered interviews. They do their best to make sure every search is approved in timely fashion, but there are times when a search process gets held up simply because of the sheer volume of different job pools that need to be reviewed.
Taylor Swift wrote: ↑4 years ago
If there were 51 states RI would have been 51st. 100 states: “you betcha” #100!
RI= first in war, last in peace (first to declare independence from England, last to ratify the constitution). Kind of downhill after the Industrial Revolution.
But....Awesome beaches, great place to live, it's all good.
Taylor Swift wrote: ↑4 years ago
If there were 51 states RI would have been 51st. 100 states: “you betcha” #100!
RI= first in war, last in peace (first to declare independence from England, last to ratify the constitution). Kind of downhill after the Industrial Revolution.
But....Awesome beaches, great place to live, it's all good.
There won't be any affirmative action issues with this hire because of the makeup of the staff.
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
Taylor Swift wrote: ↑4 years ago
If there were 51 states RI would have been 51st. 100 states: “you betcha” #100!
RI= first in war, last in peace (first to declare independence from England, last to ratify the constitution). Kind of downhill after the Industrial Revolution.
But....Awesome beaches, great place to live, it's all good.
Position for Carroll’s spot isn’t posted yet. I would think it has to be posted tomorrow to close out the posting July 31st.
Based on Shane’s explanation yesterday, I would think they start the process August 1st and have position filled August 16th.
Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago
Are we still expecting an announcement on TJ this week?
Based on Shane’s post about all the steps in the process I would say no. It sounds like a minimum 2 weeks for the process. There isn’t anything urgent. TJ is already acting Ast Coach (and has been since late Feb).
Rhodt 83, Don't agree that it is not urgent; just because we have done without for a period of time, does NOT make it ok for even two weeks.
We will never know what coaching development we have missed or what players we have not seen, or what relationships we do not have--even two weeks makes the issue that much more detrimental. In this competitive environment we need to maximize every minute.
I sure hope that Cox has his staff filled in his own mind and just waiting for the "swamp time" to end!
McRam wrote: ↑4 years ago
Rhodt 83, Don't agree that it is not urgent; just because we have done without for a period of time, does NOT make it ok for even two weeks.
We will never know what coaching development we have missed or what players we have not seen, or what relationships we do not have--even two weeks makes the issue that much more detrimental. In this competitive environment we need to maximize every minute.
I sure hope that Cox has his staff filled in his own mind and just waiting for the "swamp time" to end!
My not urgent comment is that TJ’s responsibilities and functions do not change in the next two weeks one bit. He is acting Assistant Coach and in two weeks the acting will be removed. He is, has been (since late Feb) and will be performing all of the duties of an Assistant Coach.
Rhody has been hurt by being short one assistant since Ty left on June 1st. That will continue until Carroll’s position is filled in mid August. From now until August 15th the team has 1 practice left tomorrow. The players leave campus early this week once their final exam is over. From a recruiting standpoint we are in a Dead Period (no contact) thru Sept 8th except for the NCAA youth development clinics this week that none of Rhody’s top 10 recruiting targets are attending. August is vacation time for the coaches.
This just keeps dragging on and on. Took them 10 days to post the job. Interviews can't begin until the posting ends. Sigh.
"Every season, college basketball has one or two teams that rise from dormancy to relevancy, squads that make long-awaited charges at the NCAA Tournament and become really fun storylines along the way."
Iggy1979 wrote: ↑4 years ago
This just keeps dragging on and on. Took them 10 days to post the job. Interviews can't begin until the posting ends. Sigh.
This is totally ridiculous. Are we administratively inept? An incomplete staff and an incomplete schedule just days from August 1st.
There is no sense of urgency or purpose in the athletic department organization. And I don''t mean the basketball staff.
Iggy1979 wrote: ↑4 years ago
This just keeps dragging on and on. Took them 10 days to post the job. Interviews can't begin until the posting ends. Sigh.
This is totally ridiculous. Are we administratively inept? An incomplete staff and an incomplete schedule just days from August 1st.
There is no sense of urgency or purpose in the athletic department organization. And I don''t mean the basketball staff.
The athletic department is subject to state hiring regulations. Has nothing to do with a lack of urgency. Read above.
Iggy1979 wrote: ↑4 years ago
This just keeps dragging on and on. Took them 10 days to post the job. Interviews can't begin until the posting ends. Sigh.
This is totally ridiculous. Are we administratively inept? An incomplete staff and an incomplete schedule just days from August 1st.
There is no sense of urgency or purpose in the athletic department organization. And I don''t mean the basketball staff.
The athletic department is subject to state hiring regulations. Has nothing to do with a lack of urgency. Read above.
I've read all the posts above, even the ones by Shane Donaldson. You know what those posts are? They're all excuses to cover for the fact that tasks don't get done on a timely basis. Are we seriously committed to winning or not? If we are, then find ways to get things done. It's that simple.
