2/22 | Davidson | 9:00PM (ESPN2)

[section(105)]

Here's what happens with the weave in most cases. All of the perimeter players touch the ball...great. But more often than not, once the weave is done, the players go back to their positions and become statues and the offense is initiated with around 18 seconds on the shot clock instead of around 25 seconds. I don't get it. It wastes time for an offense that already has a tough time getting good looks.

....this.....

[RF1]

Left early once again for the third straight game. Some people around me actually advised me to stick around until it was over. They said the traffic these days is much less in the window of time right after the game is final. Most people are long gone by then.

[Blue Man]

Here's what happens with the weave in most cases. All of the perimeter players touch the ball...great. But more often than not, once the weave is done, the players go back to their positions and become statues and the offense is initiated with around 18 seconds on the shot clock instead of around 25 seconds. I don't get it. It wastes time for an offense that already has a tough time getting good looks.

....this.....

And the ball doesn’t move. It’s so true. You’re just restarting the offense with no clock and no new looks.

[ace]

I see nothing to build upon in the freshmen other than TM

Cox hasn’t improved anyone and offense is stagnant

I’ll take a sure thing coach and HOF coach any day of the week over Cox

it’s worth a phone call

THINK BIG DO WE

I agree that there is nothing to build on in terms of the freshman other than Martin.

I disagree with this. I watch Harris and see skill there. He’s often lost on defense, but that can hopefully improve. A guy like Berry had much less athleticism but made himself into a serviceable defensive player with a lot of work. I think Harris recently has shown some nice moments on offense, enough to give me hope. Hopefully, with maturity, he’ll start to present himself better on the court- focus that frustration on your opponents, not your guys.

[ace]

A High point last night was when Dowtin and Martin hit the back to back 3 pointers. Then we have a chance to cut the lead further with Time running down, Fatts drives down a crowded lane, gets stripped and a breakaway layup ends it. Why drive into the lane at that point? A good PG would say “we just got back into this with our two best 3 point shooters hitting back to back 3’s. It’s me my job to set Jeff and Tyrese up again and have this crowd go berserk.” But not the case. Drive a crowded lane with almost an expected result

This isn’t quite true. The offensive play immediately following those two made threes was Jeff running point, dribbling around for a bit and jacking up a long contested two.

I’m always appreciative of a little gallows humor!

[Rhodymob05]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

[ace]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

[TruePoint]

On another note - does Dave Cox hate Jeff Dowtin or just think he’s better as a 2 guard?

You legit have a guy who could be a top 10 PG on this team next year and you refuse to let him play the point.

That is the single handed biggest on court problem this year. You are trying to force your stud PG to be a 2 guard and hurting the team in the process.

He even had him off the ball when Fatts was sitting and Siberia was handling the point...who is in the game to do one thing only - spot up to shoot.

Siberia? Awesome autocorrect. Yes, that's how cold our shooters are

Haha good catch. Did not see it autocorrect before I posted it.

[ramster]

Part of the reason Cyril may be the first Ram to average a double double in 30 years is we miss so much, so he has more opportunity than most.

So let's look at the statistics. People are dismissing the rebounding performance of Langevine because the URI players are missing so much that his numbers are getting inflated due to this.
Minutes per Game
2016-17: 13.2
2017-18: 18.1
2018-19: 31.9

Offensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 5.9
2017-18: 5.3
2018-19: 4.7

Defensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.6
2017-18: 7.6
2018-19: 8.3

Total Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 13.5
2017-18: 12.8
2018-19: 13.0

Fouls per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.4
2017-18: 6.4
2018-19: 3.8

Points per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 9.8
2017-18: 13.5
2018-19: 17.8

Free Throw Percentage
2016-17: (27-55) 49.1%
2017-18: (47-87) 50.6%
2018-19: (106-181) 58.6%

FG Percentage
2016-17: (43-92) 46.7%
2017-18: (73-114) 64.0%
2018-19: (131-245) 53.5%

In Summary:

- Cyril's Offensive rebounding rate is actually lower than the previous 2 years, despite the assumption that this year's poorer shooting team is allowing him to have more chances for Offensive Rebounds. Could also be that so many of the poor shots this year clang far off the rim so he does not have so much of a chance. Also, opposing coaches may be focusing more on boxing Cyril out and even double teaming the box outs because they know him better than they did in years 1 and 2.
- His Defensive rebounding rate is actually higher than the previous 2 years, despite URI is playing worse defense than in the previous 2 years so there should be fewer defensive rebounding opportunities

The big reason that Cyril's actual rebounds per game have gone up is not because of his average rebounds per minute, but because his minutes played are 31.9 mpg. This is made possible because his Fouls per 40 Minutes have decreased from 7.4 Freshman year, to 6.4 last year, and then to only 3.8 per 40 minutes this year (half the rate of his Freshman year)

Worth noting that his FT Shooting increased 8 percentage points over the last year and 9.5 percentage points over his freshman year.

Cyril's points per 40 minute game have improved a lot from 9.8 to 13.5 to now 17.8 pp40min. Cyril has improved his shooting inside, and has demonstrated an ability to shoot with his left hand as well as his right hand. This improvement, despite opposing teams double and sometimes triple teaming him inside PLUS playing a more sagged in defense daring Thompson and Fatts to launch 3 pointers at will.

[Blue Man]

Part of the reason Cyril may be the first Ram to average a double double in 30 years is we miss so much, so he has more opportunity than most.

So let's look at the statistics. People are dismissing the rebounding performance of Langevine because the URI players are missing so much that his numbers are getting inflated due to this.
Minutes per Game
2016-17: 13.2
2017-18: 18.1
2018-19: 31.9

Offensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 5.9
2017-18: 5.3
2018-19: 4.7

Defensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.6
2017-18: 7.6
2018-19: 8.3

Total Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 13.5
2017-18: 12.8
2018-19: 13.0

Fouls per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.4
2017-18: 6.4
2018-19: 3.8

Points per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 9.8
2017-18: 13.5
2018-19: 17.8

Free Throw Percentage
2016-17: (27-55) 49.1%
2017-18: (47-87) 50.6%
2018-19: (106-181) 58.6%

FG Percentage
2016-17: (43-92) 46.7%
2017-18: (73-114) 64.0%
2018-19: (131-245) 53.5%

In Summary:

- Cyril's Offensive rebounding rate is actually lower than the previous 2 years, despite the assumption that this year's poorer shooting team is allowing him to have more chances for Offensive Rebounds. Could also be that so many of the poor shots this year clang far off the rim so he does not have so much of a chance. Also, opposing coaches may be focusing more on boxing Cyril our and even double teaming the box outs because they know him better than they did in years 1 and 2.
- His Defensive rebounding rate is actually higher than the previous 2 years, despite URI is playing worse defense than in the previous 2 years

The big reason that Cyril's actual rebounds per game have gone up is not because of his average per minute, but because his minutes played are 31.9 mpg. This is made possible because his Fouls per 40 Minutes have decreased from 7.4 Freshman year to 6.4 last year to only 3.8 per 40 minutes this year (half the rate of his Freshman year)

Worth noting that his FT Shooting increased 8 percentage points over the last year and 9.5 percentage points over his freshman year.

Cyril's points per 40 minute game have improved a lot from 9.8 to 13.5 to now 17.8 pp40min. Cyril has improved his shooting inside, and has demonstrated an ability to shoot with his left hand as well as his right hand. This improvement despite opposing teams double and sometimes triple teaming in inside PLUS playing a more sagged in defense daring Thompson and Fatts to launch 3 pointers at will.

Agree that Cyril has been a lone bright spot this year despite his stone hands. He brings effort which is all you can ask, and has become a good scoring option down low.

Can’t wait for next year when cox plays him at the point instead of Jeff.

[DC_Rams]

Comparing DH first two seasons to DC is just weak. DH had bodies on the court. DC has highly recruited players. And DH had EC and Hass his first recruiting class and Jarvis and JT his second. So who is coming in next year and the year after to give promise 3 years down the road?

Agree to disagree. But you knew that already.

[ace]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

And for some recent historical context, here are A10 NCAA bids by year. I think this season they’ll have two. Not the trend you want to see. This team had a chance to capitalize on some weaker competition, but they ended up being that themselves.

2018: 3
2017: 3
2016: 3
2015: 3
2014: 6
2013: 5

[Obadiah]

This season is seeing overtones of Baron's last season when we saw a few extended losing streaks. We are not yet in Jerry D territory. Remember his first season which started with a blasting by Tulsa at the Providence Civic Center and then ended with a twelve game losing streak. Yikes!

[RIFan]

Part of the reason Cyril may be the first Ram to average a double double in 30 years is we miss so much, so he has more opportunity than most.

So let's look at the statistics. People are dismissing the rebounding performance of Langevine because the URI players are missing so much that his numbers are getting inflated due to this.
Minutes per Game
2016-17: 13.2
2017-18: 18.1
2018-19: 31.9

Offensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 5.9
2017-18: 5.3
2018-19: 4.7

Defensive Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.6
2017-18: 7.6
2018-19: 8.3

Total Rebounds per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 13.5
2017-18: 12.8
2018-19: 13.0

Fouls per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 7.4
2017-18: 6.4
2018-19: 3.8

Points per 40 minute Game
2016-17: 9.8
2017-18: 13.5
2018-19: 17.8

Free Throw Percentage
2016-17: (27-55) 49.1%
2017-18: (47-87) 50.6%
2018-19: (106-181) 58.6%

FG Percentage
2016-17: (43-92) 46.7%
2017-18: (73-114) 64.0%
2018-19: (131-245) 53.5%

In Summary:

- Cyril's Offensive rebounding rate is actually lower than the previous 2 years, despite the assumption that this year's poorer shooting team is allowing him to have more chances for Offensive Rebounds. Could also be that so many of the poor shots this year clang far off the rim so he does not have so much of a chance. Also, opposing coaches may be focusing more on boxing Cyril out and even double teaming the box outs because they know him better than they did in years 1 and 2.
- His Defensive rebounding rate is actually higher than the previous 2 years, despite URI is playing worse defense than in the previous 2 years so there should be fewer defensive rebounding opportunities

The big reason that Cyril's actual rebounds per game have gone up is not because of his average rebounds per minute, but because his minutes played are 31.9 mpg. This is made possible because his Fouls per 40 Minutes have decreased from 7.4 Freshman year, to 6.4 last year, and then to only 3.8 per 40 minutes this year (half the rate of his Freshman year)

Worth noting that his FT Shooting increased 8 percentage points over the last year and 9.5 percentage points over his freshman year.

Cyril's points per 40 minute game have improved a lot from 9.8 to 13.5 to now 17.8 pp40min. Cyril has improved his shooting inside, and has demonstrated an ability to shoot with his left hand as well as his right hand. This improvement, despite opposing teams double and sometimes triple teaming him inside PLUS playing a more sagged in defense daring Thompson and Fatts to launch 3 pointers at will.

Thanks for that analysis, keep at it Cyril!

[RIFan]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

And for some recent historical context, here are A10 NCAA bids by year. I think this season they’ll have two. Not the trend you want to see. This team had a chance to capitalize on some weaker competition, but they ended up being that themselves.

2018: 3
2017: 3
2016: 3
2015: 3
2014: 6
2013: 5

This is a worrisome trend.

[Blue Man]

This season is seeing overtones of Baron's last season when we saw a few extended losing streaks. We are not yet in Jerry D territory. Remember his first season which started with a blasting by Tulsa at the Providence Civic Center and then ended with a twelve game losing streak. Yikes!

There’s still time. We could end the year with a 10 gamer.

[SmartyBarrett]

A High point last night was when Dowtin and Martin hit the back to back 3 pointers. Then we have a chance to cut the lead further with Time running down, Fatts drives down a crowded lane, gets stripped and a breakaway layup ends it. Why drive into the lane at that point? A good PG would say “we just got back into this with our two best 3 point shooters hitting back to back 3’s. It’s me my job to set Jeff and Tyrese up again and have this crowd go berserk.” But not the case. Drive a crowded lane with almost an expected result

This isn’t quite true. The offensive play immediately following those two made threes was Jeff running point, dribbling around for a bit and jacking up a long contested two.

I’m always appreciative of a little gallows humor!

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

[Rhodymob05]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

Yea I’d go with VCU Dayton Davidson’s st Louis George mason and Duquesne as all being better then any WAC or Ivy League team.

[KevanBoyles]

Last night was the first time in years that I did not watch the game. I did not intentionally not watch it but then again I did not intentionally watch it either. Total apathy. I guess that’s what happens when you see everything going down the drain. I understand attendance was off by about 10% last night. Is there any wonder?

[ace]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

Yea I’d go with VCU Dayton Davidson’s st Louis George mason and Duquesne as all being better then any WAC or Ivy League team.

Ok but that’s not how this works.

This team is struggling in a conference that is as weak as it has been in a long time. This isn’t the A10 of 12-13 or 13-14. It’s worse. It doesn’t mean that this team won’t get better. It does mean that they wasted some chances to continue to develop the program and have people feel good about it.

[ElmCityRhody]

Last night was the first time in years that I did not watch the game. I did not intentionally not watch it but then again I did not intentionally watch it either. Total apathy. I guess that’s what happens when you see everything going down the drain. I understand attendance was off by about 10% last night. Is there any wonder?

There is a way out of this mess - it’s worth a call my goodness

I’m not talking about hiring another guy, i’m Talking about hiring a HOF coach - whatever w his baggage - honestly it would keep him in check -

I look st money/revenues/excitement/winning.. it would be so effin beautiful and the school and team/fans would be greatly rewarded

[ramster]

This isn’t quite true. The offensive play immediately following those two made threes was Jeff running point, dribbling around for a bit and jacking up a long contested two.

I’m always appreciative of a little gallows humor!

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

If he can’t stand the heat then leave the kitchen. Or have the HC send him out of the kitchen.

I need to go to the basement and punch the freakin bag. This has been the most frustrating season since the Baron decade. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel that I can see.................. wait, is that a train?

[DC_Rams]

I’m always appreciative of a little gallows humor!

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

Guys, who replaces him?

[ramster]

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

Guys, who replaces him?

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

[DC_Rams]

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

Guys, who replaces him?

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

Problem is we need two primary ball handlers. JD needs it or they will smother him. Losing Brendan Adams and Amir Harris hurt. They were big guards, like Jeff, but more physically imposing.

[rhodyrudder]

Expected to be disappointed and Cox and crew delivered. My last two Ryan Center visits have seen the opponent shoot over 60 percent from the field. Third straight home game that I attended and left with over 3 minutes left on the clock.

Lots of empty seats in the arena, even in the center court 100 and 200 sections. Not a big student crowd and many that went left at the half. No energy in the building. Fans are beat down from all the losses with many of them having been blowouts. 2- 4 in league play at home does not help.

Did get to see a fan tossed by a ref. Would assume the fan said something.

The ref responded when they were all over his case saying "That's not a foul!"
He said, "Some people are clueless."
Fan said, "Why are you talking back to a fan? Jackass!"\
Ref said, "Bye-bye"

[Rhodymob05]

I’m for Fatts as 6th man. Jamal crawford type.

[BleedBlue87]

Last night was the first time in years that I did not watch the game. I did not intentionally not watch it but then again I did not intentionally watch it either. Total apathy. I guess that’s what happens when you see everything going down the drain. I understand attendance was off by about 10% last night. Is there any wonder?

There is a way out of this mess - it’s worth a call my goodness

I’m not talking about hiring another guy, i’m Talking about hiring a HOF coach - whatever w his baggage - honestly it would keep him in check -

I look st money/revenues/excitement/winning.. it would be so effin beautiful and the school and team/fans would be greatly rewarded

Can you please stop with the Pitino nonsense. It's dumb and not happening. Your not convincing anyone by posting about it all the time.

[ramster]

Guys, who replaces him?

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

Problem is we need two primary ball handlers. JD needs it or they will smother him. Losing Brendan Adams and Amir Harris hurt. They were big guards, like Jeff, but more physically imposing.

Watch Tyrese Martin, he can handle the ball just fine. He does not get rattled, keeps his head up, can dribble with either hand. Last year we had Mathews, Terrell and Dowtin. Tyrese can handle the ball better than Mathews did

You must put Dowtin back at Point Guard running this team or you will continue to get more of the same. In Fatts you have a PG who shoots far more than he should and a PG who passes far less than he should.

[DC_Rams]

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

Problem is we need two primary ball handlers. JD needs it or they will smother him. Losing Brendan Adams and Amir Harris hurt. They were big guards, like Jeff, but more physically imposing.

Watch Tyrese Martin, he can handle the ball just fine. He does not get rattled, keeps his head up, can dribble with either hand. Last year we had Mathews, Terrell and Dowtin. Tyrese can handle the ball better than Mathews did

You must put Dowtin back at Point Guard running this team or you will continue to get more of the same. In Fatts you have a PG who shoots far more than he should and a PG who passes far less than he should.

Rese is not a good ball handler imho.

[ramster]

Problem is we need two primary ball handlers. JD needs it or they will smother him. Losing Brendan Adams and Amir Harris hurt. They were big guards, like Jeff, but more physically imposing.

Watch Tyrese Martin, he can handle the ball just fine. He does not get rattled, keeps his head up, can dribble with either hand. Last year we had Mathews, Terrell and Dowtin. Tyrese can handle the ball better than Mathews did

You must put Dowtin back at Point Guard running this team or you will continue to get more of the same. In Fatts you have a PG who shoots far more than he should and a PG who passes far less than he should.

Rese is not a good ball handler imho.

Who was better, Mathews or Martin at handling the ball?
And I have not seen Martin having any trouble bringing the ball up the floor, and much of that is because he keeps his head up and sees the floor, plus he passes the ball before he gets into trouble.

Fact is I would take my chances and bring Fatts off the bench.

Right now I see this team losing the next 5 games, finishing with a 10 game losing streak and 10 of last 12.

I also think we are in for a less than stellar season in 2019-20 if Jeff Dowtin is not back at PG, so might as well do it now, Fatts as 6th man, or if you can’t fathom that just put Fatts at SG on the wing and have Jeff PG. at least Langevine and Harris will see the ball coming their way for a change.

[Micheal_Phelps_22]

A High point last night was when Dowtin and Martin hit the back to back 3 pointers. Then we have a chance to cut the lead further with Time running down, Fatts drives down a crowded lane, gets stripped and a breakaway layup ends it. Why drive into the lane at that point? A good PG would say “we just got back into this with our two best 3 point shooters hitting back to back 3’s. It’s me my job to set Jeff and Tyrese up again and have this crowd go berserk.” But not the case. Drive a crowded lane with almost an expected result

This isn’t quite true. The offensive play immediately following those two made threes was Jeff running point, dribbling around for a bit and jacking up a long contested two.

Yup and Jeff had to jack up that last second prayer because the other guys on the court spent the entire possession arguing with eachother about where they should be on the court and who was supposed to be setting screens.

THIS WAS IMMEDIATELY AFTER A TIMEOUT!!!!!!

The team had finally made a bit of a run but those two possessions after the TO erased all of that and it was all she wrote.

[SmartyBarrett]

It wasn't a last second shot and it wasn't after a timeout. I think you're thinking of something else.

[DC_Rams]

Watch Tyrese Martin, he can handle the ball just fine. He does not get rattled, keeps his head up, can dribble with either hand. Last year we had Mathews, Terrell and Dowtin. Tyrese can handle the ball better than Mathews did

You must put Dowtin back at Point Guard running this team or you will continue to get more of the same. In Fatts you have a PG who shoots far more than he should and a PG who passes far less than he should.

Rese is not a good ball handler imho.

Who was better, Mathews or Martin atnhandling the ball?
And I have not seen Martin having any trouble bringing the ball up the floor, and much of that is because he keeps his head up and sees the floor, plus he passes the ball before he gets into trouble.

Fact is I would take my chances and bring Fatts off the bench.

Right now I see this team losing the next 5 games, finishing with a 10 game losing streak and 10 of last 12.

I also think we are in for a less than stellar season in 2019-20 if Jeff Dowtin is not back at PG, so might as well do it now, Fatts as 6th man, or if you can’t fathom that just put Fatts at SG on the wing and have Jeff PG. at least Langevine and Harris will see the ball coming their way for a change.

Mathews.

[RhodyRam86]

I’m always appreciative of a little gallows humor!

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

If he can’t stand the heat then leave the kitchen. Or have the HC send him out of the kitchen.

I need to go to the basement and punch the freakin bag. This has been the most frustrating season since the Baron decade. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel that I can see.................. wait, is that a train?

I really need to learn more about this rocket surgery stuff. it sounds like you have to be wicked smaht to perform it,

[RhodyRam86]

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

Guys, who replaces him?

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

I have no particular opinion on your overall point, but what has Tate done to impress you? Other than back to back games when he made a handful of threes, he's done nothing. Last night. Tate came in the second have and Pritchett scored 7 points in about 45 seconds. We couldn't get a stoppage in play quick enough for Cox to get him out and Martin back in. It's obvious changes need to be made, but I don't see Tate as the answer now or in the future.

[RhodyRam86]

here is a positive for the season....nobody is arguing as to whether we should be rooting for or against PC!

[Taylor Swift]

here is a positive for the season....nobody is arguing as to whether we should be rooting for or against PC!

Against... always against...

[UCH21377]

Ramster I have to agree with DC on the Martin/EC comparison. It's not really close IMO, sorry. EC, when healthy, could get to the rim with ease. Tyrese has shown us none of that. Yes EC had some sloppy turnovers, but his ball-handling skills were much more developed than Tyrese's right now.

Adam's defection has hurt us a lot. He wouldn't have been a savior, but we desperately need another ball handler. Fatts and Dowtin really have to play huge minutes because they're really the only two good ball handlers we have, IMO. I read in the paper this AM that Silverio has turned the ball over on 25% of his possesions. Guess that's why he doesn't see the court. But I think he ought to play more anyway, to see if he can play his way out of it. What do we have to lose at this point?

[UCH21377]

And speaking of point guards, ball handling etc, what are we going to do next year if we somehow lose Fatts or Dowtin? We are really thin in that area.

[ElmCityRhody]

Guys, who replaces him?

Well, it could have been Akele.
Langevine
Harris
Martin
Tate (Akele)
Dowtin

Fatts off the bench, Thompson off the bench, Preston and Silverio off the bench.
I would not put Fatts at shooting guard because he is a poor shooter, play him off the bench along with Dowtin just as Hurley did last year, sometimes Hurley had Dowtin, Fatts and Garrett all in the game at the same time. But make no mistake, Dowtin was running Hurley’s team no matter if Fatts and/or Garrett were in the game. It was Dowtin team to run, this year it’s Fatts team to run. Dowtin passed first shot second, Fatts shoots first and only passes on crazy drives through the lane rolling the dice to score, assist, get blocked or stolen.

I have no particular opinion on your overall point, but what has Tate done to impress you? Other than back to back games when he made a handful of threes, he's done nothing. Last night. Tate came in the second have and Pritchett scored 7 points in about 45 seconds. We couldn't get a stoppage in play quick enough for Cox to get him out and Martin back in. It's obvious changes need to be made, but I don't see Tate as the answer now or in the future.

Problem with Tate is that what is his position ?

He gets tossed around on the inside - and we didn’t get him as an outside shooter

[Roz]

Ramster I have to agree with DC on the Martin/EC comparison. It's not really close IMO, sorry. EC, when healthy, could get to the rim with ease. Tyrese has shown us none of that. Yes EC had some sloppy turnovers, but his ball-handling skills were much more developed than Tyrese's right now.

Adam's defection has hurt us a lot. He wouldn't have been a savior, but we desperately need another ball handler. Fatts and Dowtin really have to play huge minutes because they're really the only two good ball handlers we have, IMO. I read in the paper this AM that Silverio has turned the ball over on 25% of his possesions. Guess that's why he doesn't see the court. But I think he ought to play more anyway, to see if he can play his way out of it. What do we have to lose at this point?

Well then the game plan should be camp out at the three point line while fatts and dowtin drive and kick it. If he isnt handling it then he cant turn it over.

[Billyboy78]

Just saying that players outside of everyone's favorite punching bag also make poor decisions on occasion. If we flipped it and Fatts took the long two and Dowtin turned it over in the lane, guess which play people would be talking about today?

Favorite punching bag?
He got handed the keys to run this team this year and he continues to hold the keys. He continues to not run the team effectively, preferring to launch 3’s and drive the lane throwing up wild, crazy playground shots and getting far below average assists per game expected of a PG.
The below average performance of Fatts this year is not about 1 or 2 or even 3 plays.
He is the worst shooter in the country and takes the most shots on the team. Rocket surgery this isn’t.

If he can’t stand the heat then leave the kitchen. Or have the HC send him out of the kitchen.

I need to go to the basement and punch the freakin bag. This has been the most frustrating season since the Baron decade. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel that I can see.................. wait, is that a train?

I really need to learn more about this rocket surgery stuff. it sounds like you have to be wicked smaht to perform it,

A scalpel and a socket set. That's all you need.

[ramster]

Ramster I have to agree with DC on the Martin/EC comparison. It's not really close IMO, sorry. EC, when healthy, could get to the rim with ease. Tyrese has shown us none of that. Yes EC had some sloppy turnovers, but his ball-handling skills were much more developed than Tyrese's right now.

Adam's defection has hurt us a lot. He wouldn't have been a savior, but we desperately need another ball handler. Fatts and Dowtin really have to play huge minutes because they're really the only two good ball handlers we have, IMO. I read in the paper this AM that Silverio has turned the ball over on 25% of his possesions. Guess that's why he doesn't see the court. But I think he ought to play more anyway, to see if he can play his way out of it. What do we have to lose at this point?

I used to read severe criticism about EC's ability to handle the ball, never fully agreed with it, but some posters were pretty rough on the guy.
Don't need Martin driving in the lane like Fatts does, just help Dowtin bring the ball up as Terrell often was on the wing to help out. Martin is better than most think, heck most thought Thompson should be playing over Martin for a long time, even the HC, but there is no question now. Same with ball handling, he is better than people think.

[JimSidd]

Since this is a Davidson thread, I’m going to post about a Davidson player. Gudmundsson is my favorite A10 player, and that was even before last night’s triple double. When you first see him play, he looks like he was recruited from a pickup game at the local YMCA. He’s not fast and doesn’t jump very well. What he does do well is play the game of basketball. He’s a very good ballhandler and can use either hand. He’s very smart and crafty: used his off hand to push off just enough without fouling. He plays angles very well and once he gets his shoulders ahead of his man he has the driving lane he needs. Then his court awareness takes over. If his drive gets sealed off, he makes the right pass. I felt last night he always knew where his teammates would be on his drives and almost always found the best option. He has no prayer of playing in the NBA, but he’s a winning college player. He should definitely be first team all conference and in my opinion should be in the running for conference player of the year. I was at both the home game against Davidson last year and the tournament championship game and I felt he was underrated then. Aldrich and Grady got all of the publicity but Gudmunnsson was a glue guy on that team.
Maybe we should go to Iceland to recruit our next PG.

[rambone 78]

Martin and Hammond should get the majority of the minutes at the 2 next season.

Fatts we need as a role player...to spell Jeff when he needs a break.....if we ever decide to go uptempo then Fatts can be more of a contributor.

As a statue he's worthless.

Iggy mentioned in another thread that we need another guard...agree but can we get one for next season who can give us quality minutes?

[RamStock]

I firmly believe that by their jr/Sn year, this freshman class will be all A10 first team caliber. These losses open my eyes a bit. Davidson might be the best pure shooting team in the country . The A10 is better then expected, and as long as this team fights, that’s all we can hope for until next season.

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

Yea I’d go with VCU Dayton Davidson’s st Louis George mason and Duquesne as all being better then any WAC or Ivy League team.

The A-10 is not better than expected. It sucks. This is the worst the conference has ever been. You also said that URI was no doubt going to beat Davidson. What makes you think the freshman are going to be that good outside of Martin?

[ramster]

Since this is a Davidson thread, I’m going to post about a Davidson player. Gudmundsson is my favorite A10 player, and that was even before last night’s triple double. When you first see him play, he looks like he was recruited from a pickup game at the local YMCA. He’s not fast and doesn’t jump very well. What he does do well is play the game of basketball. He’s a very good ballhandler and can use either hand. He’s very smart and crafty: used his off hand to push off just enough without fouling. He plays angles very well and once he gets his shoulders ahead of his man he has the driving lane he needs. Then his court awareness takes over. If his drive gets sealed off, he makes the right pass. I felt last night he always knew where his teammates would be on his drives and almost always found the best option. He has no prayer of playing in the NBA, but he’s a winning college player. He should definitely be first team all conference and in my opinion should be in the running for conference player of the year. I was at both the home game against Davidson last year and the tournament championship game and I felt he was underrated then. Aldrich and Grady got all of the publicity but Gudmunnsson was a glue guy on that team.
Maybe we should go to Iceland to recruit our next PG.

I agree with you JimSidd.
He was picked 3rd team Pre-season and also made the all defensive Pre-season team......... but I agree that he should be 1st team this year. He started 29 games as a freshman at Davidson then all games since then. He is a Jr.

http://www.atlantic10.com/ViewArticle.d ... =211776444

[rambone 78]

McKillop recruits smart disciplined players....in college that can make up for a certain lack of athleticism.

Then he teaches his system to those players and the results speak for themselves. A high BB IQ and good fundamentals.

And he also is pretty good at finding guys that can shoot it a little lol. Some guy named Curry did well there.

[Rhodymob05]

Just one reference point, but KenPom has the A10 as the 13th best conference, between the Ivy and the WAC. I don’t think that’s better than expected.

It’s a bit of a riddle because they’re part of the conference’s poor performance, but, overall, they’re not hanging in there with a less than stellar group of teams.

Yea I’d go with VCU Dayton Davidson’s st Louis George mason and Duquesne as all being better then any WAC or Ivy League team.

The A-10 is not better than expected. It sucks. This is the worst the conference has ever been. You also said that URI was no doubt going to beat Davidson. What makes you think the freshman are going to be that good outside of Martin?

Did the top half of the A10 really get that much worse then last season? Besides Rhody, VCU is a tourney team , Davidson is a bubble team just like last season, Dayton/St Louis improved, Duquesne and GM improved as well. St Joes was a downgrade but I don’t see a day and night difference.