The Transfer Carousel - 2021-22

[ramster]

Umass might be down as a program forever if they keep losing they're best recruits. Awful situation.

With the new transfer rule, the A10 is the perfect 'minor league' for the 'major leagues' to get their talent.

Chris Beard garnered 5 of the Top 100 ESPN Ranked Transfers for Texas. Shows how quickly a new Head Coach can turn a program around and not take 3-5 years to do so.

Tre Mitchell is the #4 Ranked Transfer in the Nation. He will go from Texas to the NBA and sign for big bucks.

#3. Timmy Allen, 6-6, 198 lbs., F, Jr., Utah
Allen should immediately boost Chris Beard's prospects in his first year in Austin. He was a first-team All-Pac-12 selection at Utah after averaging 17.2 points, 6.4 rebounds and 3.9 assists as a versatile, playmaking forward.

#4. Tre Mitchell, 6-9, 240 lbs., C, Soph., UMass
Mitchell was a dominant big man for the Minutemen this past season, earning first-team All-Atlantic 10 honors. He averaged 18.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists, and had three games of 30 or more points.

#13. Christian Bishop, 6-7, 220 lbs., PF, Jr., Creighton
Bishop came on strong down the stretch for the Bluejays, with two double-doubles in the NCAA tournament. He averaged 11.0 points and 6.4 rebounds and shot better than 68% from the field.

#20. Dylan Disu, 6-9, 220 lbs., PF, Soph., Vanderbilt
Disu enjoyed a breakout campaign under Jerry Stackhouse this past season, averaging 15.0 points and 9.2 rebounds. He finished the season on a tear, scoring 29 points and grabbing 16 rebounds in his next-to-last game of the season against Kentucky.

#28. Devin Askew, 6-3, 198 lbs., PG, Fr., Kentucky
I put a lot of stock in recruiting rankings for freshman transfers, and Askew was a former five-star prospect who started 20 games during his lone season in Lexington. He's a tough, competitive guard but struggled to make shots and was inconsistent taking care of the ball.

[ramster]

Umass might be down as a program forever if they keep losing they're best recruits. Awful situation.

oh no poor umass. /sarcasmfont

I think pretty much everyone saw the Mitchell and Bergeron package deal as an awful idea that had a low chance of working out. He probably should have been at a school like Texas to begin with, instead of - what it looks like from the outside - limiting his own options so that his mother's boyfriend could get a job too.

Tony Bergeron is engaged to Tre Mitchell's mother.

Tre was the #4 Ranked from the ESPN List of Top 100 Transfers this season (over 1600 total transfers).
Playing for a Top 10 Team in a tough conference will get Mitchell great visibility for the NBA. He promises to make significant money in his professional career.

[Rhody15]

Umass might be down as a program forever if they keep losing they're best recruits. Awful situation.

With the new transfer rule, the A10 is the perfect 'minor league' for the 'major leagues' to get their talent.

Chris Beard garnered 5 of the Top 100 ESPN Ranked Transfers for Texas. Shows how quickly a new Head Coach can turn a program around and not take 3-5 years to do so.

Tre Mitchell is the #4 Ranked Transfer in the Nation. He will go from Texas to the NBA and sign for big bucks.

#3. Timmy Allen, 6-6, 198 lbs., F, Jr., Utah
Allen should immediately boost Chris Beard's prospects in his first year in Austin. He was a first-team All-Pac-12 selection at Utah after averaging 17.2 points, 6.4 rebounds and 3.9 assists as a versatile, playmaking forward.

#4. Tre Mitchell, 6-9, 240 lbs., C, Soph., UMass
Mitchell was a dominant big man for the Minutemen this past season, earning first-team All-Atlantic 10 honors. He averaged 18.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists, and had three games of 30 or more points.

#13. Christian Bishop, 6-7, 220 lbs., PF, Jr., Creighton
Bishop came on strong down the stretch for the Bluejays, with two double-doubles in the NCAA tournament. He averaged 11.0 points and 6.4 rebounds and shot better than 68% from the field.

#20. Dylan Disu, 6-9, 220 lbs., PF, Soph., Vanderbilt
Disu enjoyed a breakout campaign under Jerry Stackhouse this past season, averaging 15.0 points and 9.2 rebounds. He finished the season on a tear, scoring 29 points and grabbing 16 rebounds in his next-to-last game of the season against Kentucky.

#28. Devin Askew, 6-3, 198 lbs., PG, Fr., Kentucky
I put a lot of stock in recruiting rankings for freshman transfers, and Askew was a former five-star prospect who started 20 games during his lone season in Lexington. He's a tough, competitive guard but struggled to make shots and was inconsistent taking care of the ball.

Give any school a national championship appearing coach and Texas' resources, brand, TV network, location, recruiting territory and money and every program would turn it around earlier than 3-5 years.

Your second sentence makes it seem like you're saying that us hiring the right coach = turning the program around immediately.

[SGreenwell]

Umass might be down as a program forever if they keep losing they're best recruits. Awful situation.

oh no poor umass. /sarcasmfont

I think pretty much everyone saw the Mitchell and Bergeron package deal as an awful idea that had a low chance of working out. He probably should have been at a school like Texas to begin with, instead of - what it looks like from the outside - limiting his own options so that his mother's boyfriend could get a job too.

Tony Bergeron is engaged to Tre Mitchell's mother.

Tre was the #4 Ranked from the ESPN List of Top 100 Transfers this season (over 1600 total transfers).
Playing for a Top 10 Team in a tough conference will get Mitchell great visibility for the NBA. He promises to make significant money in his professional career.

Yes, and...? I don't really think I made a controversial statement there. Mitchell should have been at a bigger school all along, but he was steered by his old coach - who also happened to be dating / engaged to his mother - to a school where Bergeron would also get a job. Like his final five at the time were UConn, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Illinois and UMass.

[ramster]

oh no poor umass. /sarcasmfont

I think pretty much everyone saw the Mitchell and Bergeron package deal as an awful idea that had a low chance of working out. He probably should have been at a school like Texas to begin with, instead of - what it looks like from the outside - limiting his own options so that his mother's boyfriend could get a job too.

Tony Bergeron is engaged to Tre Mitchell's mother.

Tre was the #4 Ranked from the ESPN List of Top 100 Transfers this season (over 1600 total transfers).
Playing for a Top 10 Team in a tough conference will get Mitchell great visibility for the NBA. He promises to make significant money in his professional career.

Yes, and...? I don't really think I made a controversial statement there. Mitchell should have been at a bigger school all along, but he was steered by his old coach - who also happened to be dating / engaged to his mother - to a school where Bergeron would also get a job. Like his final five at the time were UConn, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Illinois and UMass.

And a lot of hatred seems directed at Bergeron, maybe not from you. So he wears flashy clothes, so he got in a tussle in the URI hand shake line, so he dates Tre’s mom. I’m a fan of all 14 A10 teams. So URI and UMASS have a rivalry - great, we need more intense A10 rivalries to engage fans.
Mitchell will make millions. He is very talented. He doesn’t need to bring a coach with him. Family sure, nothing more important than family and wish them all the best.

Mitchell leaving the A10 just makes the conference weaker unfortunately but best of luck to him.

College basketball has changed for the worse with all these transfers.

A10 just becoming a G-league for the P5.

[Billyboy78]

With all these new players, doesn't Texas have to 'mesh'?..........

[ramster]

With all these new players, doesn't Texas have to 'mesh'?..........

They have an Assistant Meshing Coach

Also Add in ESPN 2021 #29 Ranked Jaylon Tyson

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... ylon-tyson

[bigappleram]

Tony Bergeron is engaged to Tre Mitchell's mother.

Tre was the #4 Ranked from the ESPN List of Top 100 Transfers this season (over 1600 total transfers).
Playing for a Top 10 Team in a tough conference will get Mitchell great visibility for the NBA. He promises to make significant money in his professional career.

Yes, and...? I don't really think I made a controversial statement there. Mitchell should have been at a bigger school all along, but he was steered by his old coach - who also happened to be dating / engaged to his mother - to a school where Bergeron would also get a job. Like his final five at the time were UConn, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Illinois and UMass.

And a lot of hatred seems directed at Bergeron, maybe not from you. So he wears flashy clothes, so he got in a tussle in the URI hand shake line, so he dates Tre’s mom. I’m a fan of all 14 A10 teams. So URI and UMASS have a rivalry - great, we need more intense A10 rivalries to engage fans.
Mitchell will make millions. He is very talented. He doesn’t need to bring a coach with him. Family sure, nothing more important than family and wish them all the best.

Mitchell leaving the A10 just makes the conference weaker unfortunately but best of luck to him.

College basketball has changed for the worse with all these transfers.

A10 just becoming a G-league for the P5.

Ramster all SG is saying is that was a well known package deal. That’s why his final suitors were blue chip programs and Umass an A10 cellar dweller at the time. Those big time programs didn’t want to take the package deal. It was available to Dan at UConn and Dave at URI and my guess is neither wanted to entertain it. It didn’t take much to know that wasn’t going to end well for umass…and it didn’t.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Yes, and...? I don't really think I made a controversial statement there. Mitchell should have been at a bigger school all along, but he was steered by his old coach - who also happened to be dating / engaged to his mother - to a school where Bergeron would also get a job. Like his final five at the time were UConn, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Illinois and UMass.

And a lot of hatred seems directed at Bergeron, maybe not from you. So he wears flashy clothes, so he got in a tussle in the URI hand shake line, so he dates Tre’s mom. I’m a fan of all 14 A10 teams. So URI and UMASS have a rivalry - great, we need more intense A10 rivalries to engage fans.
Mitchell will make millions. He is very talented. He doesn’t need to bring a coach with him. Family sure, nothing more important than family and wish them all the best.

Mitchell leaving the A10 just makes the conference weaker unfortunately but best of luck to him.

College basketball has changed for the worse with all these transfers.

A10 just becoming a G-league for the P5.

Ramster all SG is saying is that was a well known package deal. That’s why his final suitors were blue chip programs and Umass an A10 cellar dweller at the time. Those big time programs didn’t want to take the package deal. It was available to Dan at UConn and Dave at URI and my guess is neither wanted to entertain it. It didn’t take much to know that wasn’t going to end well for umass…and it didn’t.

UMass got a really good player for a year that they never would have had a chance at otherwise...didn't end up that badly...

[SGreenwell]

And a lot of hatred seems directed at Bergeron, maybe not from you. So he wears flashy clothes, so he got in a tussle in the URI hand shake line, so he dates Tre’s mom. I’m a fan of all 14 A10 teams. So URI and UMASS have a rivalry - great, we need more intense A10 rivalries to engage fans.
Mitchell will make millions. He is very talented. He doesn’t need to bring a coach with him. Family sure, nothing more important than family and wish them all the best.

Mitchell leaving the A10 just makes the conference weaker unfortunately but best of luck to him.

College basketball has changed for the worse with all these transfers.

A10 just becoming a G-league for the P5.

Ramster all SG is saying is that was a well known package deal. That’s why his final suitors were blue chip programs and Umass an A10 cellar dweller at the time. Those big time programs didn’t want to take the package deal. It was available to Dan at UConn and Dave at URI and my guess is neither wanted to entertain it. It didn’t take much to know that wasn’t going to end well for umass…and it didn’t.

UMass got a really good player for a year that they never would have had a chance at otherwise...didn't end up that badly...

Do they hang banners for fourth place finishes?

[JimSidd]

And a lot of hatred seems directed at Bergeron, maybe not from you. So he wears flashy clothes, so he got in a tussle in the URI hand shake line, so he dates Tre’s mom. I’m a fan of all 14 A10 teams. So URI and UMASS have a rivalry - great, we need more intense A10 rivalries to engage fans.
Mitchell will make millions. He is very talented. He doesn’t need to bring a coach with him. Family sure, nothing more important than family and wish them all the best.

Mitchell leaving the A10 just makes the conference weaker unfortunately but best of luck to him.

College basketball has changed for the worse with all these transfers.

A10 just becoming a G-league for the P5.

Ramster all SG is saying is that was a well known package deal. That’s why his final suitors were blue chip programs and Umass an A10 cellar dweller at the time. Those big time programs didn’t want to take the package deal. It was available to Dan at UConn and Dave at URI and my guess is neither wanted to entertain it. It didn’t take much to know that wasn’t going to end well for umass…and it didn’t.

UMass got a really good player for a year that they never would have had a chance at otherwise...didn't end up that badly...

Two years, and they probably figured there would be a good chance he wouldn’t stay for four years when he committed. The staff must have felt he could be an early entry into the draft. All in all, a good move to bring him in.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Ramster all SG is saying is that was a well known package deal. That’s why his final suitors were blue chip programs and Umass an A10 cellar dweller at the time. Those big time programs didn’t want to take the package deal. It was available to Dan at UConn and Dave at URI and my guess is neither wanted to entertain it. It didn’t take much to know that wasn’t going to end well for umass…and it didn’t.

UMass got a really good player for a year that they never would have had a chance at otherwise...didn't end up that badly...

Do they hang banners for fourth place finishes?

Not following. Are you saying, they would have been better off if they never had him at all?

[SGreenwell]

UMass got a really good player for a year that they never would have had a chance at otherwise...didn't end up that badly...

Do they hang banners for fourth place finishes?

Not following. Are you saying, they would have been better off if they never had him at all?

Maybe! Again, as an outsider, it sure seemed like the Tony Bergeron Show was a distraction in UMass. At least according this article, eight of UMass' 14 scholarship players attended Woodstock Academy. They got 22 wins out of it, and a soft 8-7 winning season this past year, in which their two best wins were probably against us.

[ramster]

Do they hang banners for fourth place finishes?

Not following. Are you saying, they would have been better off if they never had him at all?

Maybe! Again, as an outsider, it sure seemed like the Tony Bergeron Show was a distraction in UMass. At least according this article, eight of UMass' 14 scholarship players attended Woodstock Academy. They got 22 wins out of it, and a soft 8-7 winning season this past year, in which their two best wins were probably against us.

UMASS finished 9-7 and 7-4 in A10 tied for 3rd in record 4th due to head to head with Davidson.

Tre Mitchell was 2020 A10 Rookie of the Year, 2nd team all conference
2021 he was 1st team A10 as a sophomore
Then very highly recruited by P5’s signing with Texas - preseason #6 Top 25
He will be an NBA Draft pick in 2022 and make multimillions professionally

With the new “no penalty” transfer rule players will leave low and mid major teams with much higher frequency. Why wouldn’t they?

College basketball 1 step forward 3 steps back unfortunately. Many low and mid major teams lost their top player to P5’s this year.

[Jersey77]

Consequences of entering the transfer portal.

https://informedathlete.com/transferrin ... sequences/

[Iggy1979]

Not following. Are you saying, they would have been better off if they never had him at all?

Maybe! Again, as an outsider, it sure seemed like the Tony Bergeron Show was a distraction in UMass. At least according this article, eight of UMass' 14 scholarship players attended Woodstock Academy. They got 22 wins out of it, and a soft 8-7 winning season this past year, in which their two best wins were probably against us.

UMASS finished 9-7 and 7-4 in A10 tied for 3rd in record 4th due to head to head with Davidson.

Tre Mitchell was 2020 A10 Rookie of the Year, 2nd team all conference
2021 he was 1st team A10 as a sophomore
Then very highly recruited by P5’s signing with Texas - preseason #6 Top 25
He will be an NBA Draft pick in 2022 and make multimillions professionally

With the new “no penalty” transfer rule players will leave low and mid major teams with much higher frequency. Why wouldn’t they?

College basketball 1 step forward 3 steps back unfortunately. Many low and mid major teams lost their top player to P5’s this year.

I'm not as pessimistic about this. Some players transfer up, others transfer down. With URI in the middle, they have plenty of opportunities to get transfers who can help. Where would URI have been without Iverson and Stan?

[RF1]

Maybe! Again, as an outsider, it sure seemed like the Tony Bergeron Show was a distraction in UMass. At least according this article, eight of UMass' 14 scholarship players attended Woodstock Academy. They got 22 wins out of it, and a soft 8-7 winning season this past year, in which their two best wins were probably against us.

UMASS finished 9-7 and 7-4 in A10 tied for 3rd in record 4th due to head to head with Davidson.

Tre Mitchell was 2020 A10 Rookie of the Year, 2nd team all conference
2021 he was 1st team A10 as a sophomore
Then very highly recruited by P5’s signing with Texas - preseason #6 Top 25
He will be an NBA Draft pick in 2022 and make multimillions professionally

With the new “no penalty” transfer rule players will leave low and mid major teams with much higher frequency. Why wouldn’t they?

College basketball 1 step forward 3 steps back unfortunately. Many low and mid major teams lost their top player to P5’s this year.

I'm not as pessimistic about this. Some players transfer up, others transfer down. With URI in the middle, they have plenty of opportunities to get transfers who can help. Where would URI have been without Iverson and Stan?

The problem for URI is that it may need an Iverson and Stan (and more) each and every year going forward with the new rules and landscape.

[NYGFan_Section208]

UMASS finished 9-7 and 7-4 in A10 tied for 3rd in record 4th due to head to head with Davidson.

Tre Mitchell was 2020 A10 Rookie of the Year, 2nd team all conference
2021 he was 1st team A10 as a sophomore
Then very highly recruited by P5’s signing with Texas - preseason #6 Top 25
He will be an NBA Draft pick in 2022 and make multimillions professionally

With the new “no penalty” transfer rule players will leave low and mid major teams with much higher frequency. Why wouldn’t they?

College basketball 1 step forward 3 steps back unfortunately. Many low and mid major teams lost their top player to P5’s this year.

I'm not as pessimistic about this. Some players transfer up, others transfer down. With URI in the middle, they have plenty of opportunities to get transfers who can help. Where would URI have been without Iverson and Stan?

The problem for URI is that it may need an Iverson and Stan (and more) each and every year going forward with the new rules and landscape.

Exactly! And, to do that, you need to have a HC that can attract a KI or a Stanimal

[Jersey77]

I'm not as pessimistic about this. Some players transfer up, others transfer down. With URI in the middle, they have plenty of opportunities to get transfers who can help. Where would URI have been without Iverson and Stan?

The problem for URI is that it may need an Iverson and Stan (and more) each and every year going forward with the new rules and landscape.

Exactly! And, to do that, you need to have a HC that can attract a KI or a Stanimal

Look what transfers Cox had attracted and see what they can contribute in a normal season:
Shep
Twins
Walker
AB, Carey (TBD)
Martin
Ishmael El - Amin ( let's not diminish what his role may be)

Not a bad haul, IMO

[NYGFan_Section208]

The problem for URI is that it may need an Iverson and Stan (and more) each and every year going forward with the new rules and landscape.

Exactly! And, to do that, you need to have a HC that can attract a KI or a Stanimal

Look what transfers Cox had attracted and see what they can contribute in a normal season:
Shep
Twins
Walker
AB, Carey (TBD)
Martin
Ishmael El - Amin ( let's not diminish what his role may be)

Not a bad haul, IMO

"sounds like" a great haul...but it didn't look so good once the games started. And, if they don't do a lot better this year, not sure how attractive a spot this becomes in terms of getting another haul..

[Billyboy78]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

[rambone 78]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

That's really the crux of the matter, isn't it?

[Jersey77]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

That's really the crux of the matter, isn't it?

This upcoming season should give us a good indication of where this program is headed.
I feel that Cox has done an admirable job assembling a competitive roster and bringing in Bozeman was a plus.

The NCAA understood all the difficulties last season, which is why they gave all the players a free pass (additional year).
Very limited practices, last minute scheduling changes, and games in empty arenas which felt more like scrimmages, so I feel there should be an asterisk next to 20-21.
I must say that my enthusiasm was very much tempered by the circumstances surrounding this past year, and it didn't have anything to do with our play.

[PCFriars]

El-Amin is going to be the best player on the roster this season. You are going to love him.

[NYGFan_Section208]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

[PeterRamTime]

El-Amin is going to be the best player on the roster this season. You are going to love him.

I'll be shocked if that's the case.

[Rhody15]

El-Amin is going to be the best player on the roster this season. You are going to love him.

I'll be shocked if that's the case.

And if it is the case (which it 100% won't be), we'll have a worse winning percentage than last year by a mile.

[Jersey77]

El-Amin is going to be the best player on the roster this season. You are going to love him.

I'll be shocked if that's the case.

And if it is the case (which it 100% won't be), we'll have a worse winning percentage than last year by a mile.

Very doubtful he will be our best player, but I expect him to be a major contributor.

Curious to see if Cox will start him in a 3 guard lineup or have Martin start on the wing.

Either way he should get plenty of minutes.

[PeterRamTime]

I'll be shocked if that's the case.

And if it is the case (which it 100% won't be), we'll have a worse winning percentage than last year by a mile.

Very doubtful he will be our best player, but I expect him to be a major contributor.

Curious to see if Cox will start him in a 3 guard lineup or have Martin start on the wing.

Either way he should get plenty of minutes.

Its going to be Shep, Leggz or one of the twins.

[Iggy1979]

I would not rule out El Amin

[Rhody15]

I would not rule out El Amin

After people were claiming Betrand would be our best player, a transfer coming from a lower conference with good numbers, I don't see how anyone can actually think El Amin will be our best player.

[rhodylaw]

I would not rule out El Amin

After people were claiming Betrand would be our best player, a transfer coming from a lower conference with good numbers, I don't see how anyone an actually think El Amin will be our best player.

I suppose there is a chance he gets there by the end of the season. Jeremy took awhile to get going last year but by the end of February was the best player on the team in my mind. I expect the best players to be Jeremy, Ish, Antoine, Martin and the twins. That is a very strong lineup and there should be no excuses for not winning at a high level. If El Amin comes in and adds to that group we are in really good shape.

[DC_Rams]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

[rjsuperfly66]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

[Billyboy78]

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

One thing you have to remember. DC RAMS thinks that David Cox is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

[Jersey77]

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

Cox is highly respected in the coaching community and I think he can definitely be a top assistant or lead recruiter at a P6 school (already was), if it doesn't work out for him here.

He was associate head coach under Mike Rice at Rutgers (BE then) and became interim head coach when Rice was fired.
In 2011 he helped recruit the #15 ranked class in the country.

[rjsuperfly66]

I mean Rutgers was a bottom-barrel P6 program, and he parlayed his success there into becoming an A10 assistant (sorry step down) where he showed enough to become HC and inherited a program in a great place and at the point of this hypothetical, would have burned it to the ground. Sorry just don’t see him in the P6 unless some mid-Atlantic team has an opening and sees a guy who can recruit that area. But even then I wouldn’t see him as a top assistant at that point, just a guy brought in to recruit a territory. Maybe he develops into more, but most guys don’t fail at this level as a head coach and move into a lead assistant role with a better program in a stronger conference without a strong pedigree.

[rambone 78]

Cox is well liked and respected in the coaching community as an assistant and recruiter, but his 3 years as a HC has obviously been underwhelming.

I also think he will end up being back as a top assistant at a mid major, or as a recruiter for a P5 school.

[NYGFan_Section208]

That's what it is about Cox. He can get talent here because he's a great recruiter and a good guy. He hasn't shown that he can coach them once they get here.

And I think, with another sukkfest of a season, people will stop saying he's a great recruiter...my guess is that without winning, that dries up.

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

Not sure if you're being that way intentionally, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and 'splain it for you as best I can. DC may have a great reputation as a recruiter. What I'm saying is that if he has another sheet-fest of a season *HERE*, as the HC, his recruiting ability *HERE* *WHILE HE IS THE HEAD COACH - HERE* ... WILL EVAPORATE. Sure, he may be able to go elsewhere and be the "TOP recruiter", but he ain't gonna have success as a recruiter plus head coach - at the same time...if he doesn't win.

Do you think if we have another crappy season here next year...that he's gonna be able to be a "TOP" recruiter HERE - as the HC - still? I'm no recruiter expert, but I would suggest that another crappy season will impact his ability to recruit HERE... What do you think?

[Jersey77]

I mean Rutgers was a bottom-barrel P6 program, and he parlayed his success there into becoming an A10 assistant (sorry step down) where he showed enough to become HC and inherited a program in a great place and at the point of this hypothetical, would have burned it to the ground. Sorry just don’t see him in the P6 unless some mid-Atlantic team has an opening and sees a guy who can recruit that area. But even then I wouldn’t see him as a top assistant at that point, just a guy brought in to recruit a territory. Maybe he develops into more, but most guys don’t fail at this level as a head coach and move into a lead assistant role with a better program in a stronger conference without a strong pedigree.

Being caught up in the Mike Rice situation certainly didn't help him, but shouldn't be a reflection on his ability to recruit or be the #2 guy.

[rjsuperfly66]

I mean Rutgers was a bottom-barrel P6 program, and he parlayed his success there into becoming an A10 assistant (sorry step down) where he showed enough to become HC and inherited a program in a great place and at the point of this hypothetical, would have burned it to the ground. Sorry just don’t see him in the P6 unless some mid-Atlantic team has an opening and sees a guy who can recruit that area. But even then I wouldn’t see him as a top assistant at that point, just a guy brought in to recruit a territory. Maybe he develops into more, but most guys don’t fail at this level as a head coach and move into a lead assistant role with a better program in a stronger conference without a strong pedigree.

Being caught up in the Mike Rice situation certainly didn't help him, but shouldn't be a reflection on his ability to recruit or be the #2 guy.

No one said he can’t recruit. I just don’t think he’s going to some random P5 school as a lead assistant. His only shot at a P5 job in my opinion is at a school looking for a mid-Atlantic recruiter, and therefore the expectation of him is recruiting and strictly recruiting initially, where he’d probably make #3 assistant P5 money. If he wants a bigger role off-the-bat, only see that for him at a comparable or lower-level.

[theblueram]

I could see him at uconn.

[steveystuds06]

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

One thing you have to remember. DC RAMS thinks that David Cox is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

Stop being such a fair-weather fan, Billyboy!. 10th place is good! Think Big!

Let's all pray that Cox says no to the Celtics job because he's obviously at the top of their list..

[Jersey77]

I mean Rutgers was a bottom-barrel P6 program, and he parlayed his success there into becoming an A10 assistant (sorry step down) where he showed enough to become HC and inherited a program in a great place and at the point of this hypothetical, would have burned it to the ground. Sorry just don’t see him in the P6 unless some mid-Atlantic team has an opening and sees a guy who can recruit that area. But even then I wouldn’t see him as a top assistant at that point, just a guy brought in to recruit a territory. Maybe he develops into more, but most guys don’t fail at this level as a head coach and move into a lead assistant role with a better program in a stronger conference without a strong pedigree.

Being caught up in the Mike Rice situation certainly didn't help him, but shouldn't be a reflection on his ability to recruit or be the #2 guy.

No one said he can’t recruit. I just don’t think he’s going to some random P5 school as a lead assistant. His only shot at a P5 job in my opinion is at a school looking for a mid-Atlantic recruiter, and therefore the expectation of him is recruiting and strictly recruiting initially, where he’d probably make #3 assistant P5 money. If he wants a bigger role off-the-bat, only see that for him at a comparable or lower-level.

This conversation is a little premature, let's just hope as Rhody fans it doesn't come to that.
I am still going to give Cox the benefit of the doubt and hopefully he will be successful here.

[theblueram]

Being caught up in the Mike Rice situation certainly didn't help him, but shouldn't be a reflection on his ability to recruit or be the #2 guy.

No one said he can’t recruit. I just don’t think he’s going to some random P5 school as a lead assistant. His only shot at a P5 job in my opinion is at a school looking for a mid-Atlantic recruiter, and therefore the expectation of him is recruiting and strictly recruiting initially, where he’d probably make #3 assistant P5 money. If he wants a bigger role off-the-bat, only see that for him at a comparable or lower-level.

This conversation is a little premature, let's just hope as Rhody fans it doesn't come to that.
I am still going to give Cox the benefit of the doubt and hopefully he will be successful here.

Who cares really? We all know if he has success he's gone. As has every other successful coach here. So show us the wins, or show him the door.

[Rhody74]

I suppose at some point we’ll be talking about transfers in this thread.

[DC_Rams]

That statement makes zero sense. ZERO. Guarantee of Cox fails here, he will go someone and be HIGHLY paid to be TOP recruiter.

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

One thing you have to remember. DC RAMS thinks that David Cox is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

Ok, run with that. I really stopped giving a fuck about what you all feel about my allegiances and where they lie…it’s truly a tiring exercise. It doesn’t change the fact that the statement is down right dumb.

[theblueram]

Also doesn't change the fact that this team has underperformed. This year is going to be real interesting.

[NYGFan_Section208]

I agree with the greater point but not the ALL CAPS words.

Is he going to be a top assistant for a program comparable to URI? Maybe that is believable.

Don’t see him landing at a P5 being billed as a lead recruiter/assistant on the staff. Could he sneak on a P5/BE bench somewhere? Don’t rule anything out but if he did he’s likely joining as the 3rd assistant, perhaps he has more value for a mid-Atlantic program.

But also, define highly paid? Is he landing on a bench as an assistant making $150-$200k? Depends where he ends up.

Regardless hes not landing elite assistant money and surely not making anything close to what he was making. Not sure why emphasizing the word highly.

I mean I guess we’d agree it’s not like he’s going from URI to some low-major.

One thing you have to remember. DC RAMS thinks that David Cox is the greatest coach in the history of basketball.

Ok, run with that. I really stopped giving a fuck about what you all feel about my allegiances and where they lie…it’s truly a tiring exercise. It doesn’t change the fact that the statement is down right dumb.

It's downright dumb to say that, "if he doesn't win here, he won't be able to recruit here"? Now, you're just trying (extra hard) to be silly.

[theblueram]

I suppose at some point we’ll be talking about transfers in this thread.

At some point? My guess is we will be talking about transfers forever.