2022-23 Men's Games of Interest

[ramster]

Ken Pom uses last season’s performance in calculations gradually adjusting as the new 2022-2023 season progresses. So if a team was good or excellent last year, but lost an entire starting 5, ie Bonnies, then the performance of last years 5 players (who are now gone) factors into this years Ken Pom team rankings. I believe Sagarin also bases on prior year performance.
NET uses only the current year in calculations.

That logic becomes more flawed with each year given all the player and staff turnover that has become the norm in today's college basketball.

Absolutely right. Using Ken Pom now to judge Fordham as if it’s more reliable than NET is debatable.

[SGreenwell]

Ken Pom uses last season’s performance in calculations gradually adjusting as the new 2022-2023 season progresses. So if a team was good or excellent last year, but lost an entire starting 5, ie Bonnies, then the performance of last years 5 players (who are now gone) factors into this years Ken Pom team rankings. I believe Sagarin also bases on prior year performance.
NET uses only the current year in calculations.

That logic becomes more flawed with each year given all the player and staff turnover that has become the norm in today's college basketball.

Does it? If you believe in program strength, then you probably do trust St. Bonaventure to have a better year than Fordham anyway, even if they lost a bunch of players. Or, why it seemed like Xavier and Dayton just kept rolling year after year, even as they replaced coaches. The KenPom ratings seem more correct to me than NET right now, as a measure of a team's strength, but I realize I'm more skeptical of these paper tiger teams (Fordham) and it seems like this year, results are more topsy-turvy than normal.

[Jersey77]

While on the subject of NET.

[reef]

Damn 15 conferences to get @ least 1 no A10

[Jdrums#3]

Damn 15 conferences to get @ least 1 no A10

Ooooph

[RhowdyRam02]

Division 3 school. Not good

[Jdrums#3]

Double oooph!

[SGreenwell]

Division 3 school. Not good

Wow, especially bad to lose to just one lady.

[RhowdyRam02]

VCU vs Radford at 7 on ESPN+
Duquesne vs DePaul at 7 on ESPN+
Georgia State at #19 Auburn at 8 on ESPN+

[SmartyBarrett]

[RhodyKyle]

Some of my favorite CBB posts are the "circle of suck" pics. I live for these.

[PeterRamTime]

Georgia State up 31-28 @Auburn at the half.

We'll have our hands full!

[Jdrums#3]

Duq beats DePaul 66-55.

VCU beats Radford 70-62.

[Shinze88]

Georgia State up 31-28 @Auburn at the half.

We'll have our hands full!

Been watching a good part of this game, GA State is gonna be a matchup nightmare for us. Good guard play and their bigs can all handle the ball. Giving Auburn everything they can handle. Completely different team that came to the Ryan Center last year with only 1 starter from last year getting any minutes tonight.

[PeterRamTime]

Georgia State up 31-28 @Auburn at the half.

We'll have our hands full!

Been watching a good part of this game, GA State is gonna be a matchup nightmare for us. Good guard play and their bigs can all handle the ball. Giving Auburn everything they can handle. Completely different team that came to the Ryan Center last year with only 1 starter from last year getting any minutes tonight.

Yeah Georgia State is a bit better than I thought they'd be

They were about as athletic as Auburn and played smart basketball.

Hope Bilau can go!

[McRam]

Sagarin has them ranked at 230 . Worse than us! Before tonight’s game.

[ramster]

UCLA dismantles Maryland at College Park by 27 points
Terrapins were favored by 2

16,600 at the matchup between Top 25 teams

[Rhody_NYCT]

Duq beats DePaul 66-55.

VCU beats Radford 70-62.

It's gotta be tough being a DePaul fan.

[RhowdyRam02]

Stony Brook at Wagner at 7

[reef]

Duq beats DePaul 66-55.

VCU beats Radford 70-62.

It's gotta be tough being a DePaul fan.

Agree seems like they come in last every year in the BE

[Jdrums#3]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

[Jersey77]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

Stubblefield was considered one of the nation's top recruiters as an assistant at Oregon.

He is only in his 2nd year as HC of Depaul, so let's see what happens.

[PeterRamTime]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

[PeterRamTime]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

Just looked into coach Meyer

Coached from 42/43 through 83/84!

Then his son took over until 96/97!

What a ridiculous reign for the Meyers!

[Billyboy78]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I'm so old, I almost remember George Mikan.

[reef]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

[theblueram]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

Better than Fordham!!!

[ramster]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

DePaul brings the Big East down year after year.
They would be much better off with St Louis, Dayton or Loyola of Chicago. All Catholic schools with much better basketball history than DePaul.

[Jdrums#3]

DePaul was an excellent program at one time (60’s, 70’s, 80’s?). They had some entertaining teams to watch under coach Meyer. The program has really sunk to consistent mediocrity or less.

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

Ooooph

[PeterRamTime]

I think saying they've been mediocre is very kind lol

They've been a hopeless doormat

They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

DePaul brings the Big East down year after year.
They would be much better off with St Louis, Dayton or Loyola of Chicago. All Catholic schools with much better basketball history than DePaul.

Recent history

Historically I have now learned DePaul was pretty dominant for a very long time

They still have more tournament appearances (tied with Loyola for most final 4's) than any of those schools and an NIT championship from back in the NIT glory days.

Kinda crazy they were so good for so long only to be almost entielry hopeless for a couple decades now

[ramster]

@ Jon Rothstein
Mississippi State is now 10-0 in Year 1 under Chris Jans. How good is this team defensively? Jackson State --- tonight's opponent --- is the first team this season to score more than 55 against the Bulldogs.
It scored 59.

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They are 57-117 in conference games since 2015

DePaul brings the Big East down year after year.
They would be much better off with St Louis, Dayton or Loyola of Chicago. All Catholic schools with much better basketball history than DePaul.

Recent history

Historically I have now learned DePaul was pretty dominant for a very long time

They still have more tournament appearances (tied with Loyola for most final 4's) than any of those schools and an NIT championship from back in the NIT glory days.

Kinda crazy they were so good for so long only to be almost entielry hopeless for a couple decades now

Then vote them out of the BE and replace with_________________

[ramster]

DePaul brings the Big East down year after year.
They would be much better off with St Louis, Dayton or Loyola of Chicago. All Catholic schools with much better basketball history than DePaul.

Recent history

Historically I have now learned DePaul was pretty dominant for a very long time

They still have more tournament appearances (tied with Loyola for most final 4's) than any of those schools and an NIT championship from back in the NIT glory days.

Kinda crazy they were so good for so long only to be almost entielry hopeless for a couple decades now

Then vote them out of the BE and replace with_________________

Fordham

[RhowdyRam02]

St. Bonaventure vs Florida Gulf Coast at 7 on ESPN+

[RamStock]

St. Bonaventure vs Florida Gulf Coast at 7 on ESPN+

Pretty tough to get excited about that game. Creighton at Marquette is a pretty good matchup tonight.

[theblueram]

St. Bonaventure vs Florida Gulf Coast at 7 on ESPN+

Pretty tough to get excited about that game. Creighton at Marquette is a pretty good matchup tonight.

The good thing about the Creighton/Marquette game is one will lose. Either Creighton goes to .500 on the year or Marquette goes to 8-4.

[Jersey77]

St. Bonaventure vs Florida Gulf Coast at 7 on ESPN+

Pretty tough to get excited about that game. Creighton at Marquette is a pretty good matchup tonight.

Creighton has been struggling as of late.
They are a different team without BE-DPOY 7' center Ryan Kalkbrenner.
He has been out with mono and been slowed by the illness prior to not playing.

[reef]

@ Jon Rothstein
Mississippi State is now 10-0 in Year 1 under Chris Jans. How good is this team defensively? Jackson State --- tonight's opponent --- is the first team this season to score more than 55 against the Bulldogs.
It scored 59.

Did Howland leave or get fired ??

[Jersey77]

@ Jon Rothstein
Mississippi State is now 10-0 in Year 1 under Chris Jans. How good is this team defensively? Jackson State --- tonight's opponent --- is the first team this season to score more than 55 against the Bulldogs.
It scored 59.

Did Howland leave or get fired ??

Fired

[RhodyKyle]

St. Bonaventure vs Florida Gulf Coast at 7 on ESPN+

Pretty tough to get excited about that game. Creighton at Marquette is a pretty good matchup tonight.

The good thing about the Creighton/Marquette game is one will lose. Either Creighton goes to .500 on the year or Marquette goes to 8-4.

Hope for a Marquette win. I know UNC will overshadowed them as the preseason #1 team, but Creighton was a preseason top 10 team and going to .500 before conference play is poetic justice. Fuck McDermott for letting Preston take the fall - aways and forever.

[Jersey77]

Pretty tough to get excited about that game. Creighton at Marquette is a pretty good matchup tonight.

The good thing about the Creighton/Marquette game is one will lose. Either Creighton goes to .500 on the year or Marquette goes to 8-4.

Hope for a Marquette win. I know UNC will overshadowed them as the preseason #1 team, but Creighton was a preseason top 10 team and going to .500 before conference play is poetic justice. Fuck McDermott for letting Preston take the fall - aways and forever.

Actually, McDermott had nothing to do with the investigation.

Murphy met with his friend Christian Dawkins and an undercover FBI agent in a hotel room.
PM received a check for $6,000.00 to steer players to Dawkin's sports management company.
Murphy claims he didn't keep the money and returned the check.

Murphy made a mistake, but I feel the NCAA was too harsh on him.
Hopefully he gets back into college coaching after this year.

[Rhody72]

I'm so old, I almost remember George Mikan.

I saw George Mikan play in person for the old MN Lakers.

[Obadiah]

Down goes St. Bonaventure to Florida Gulf Coast, 71-58. After some nice wins against Notre Dame and a good Middle Tennessee team, the Bonnies have hit the skids

[McRam]

I'm so old, I almost remember George Mikan.

I saw George Mikan play in person for the old MN Lakers.

. Can’t remember if I saw Miken play

[reef]

Mikan retired in 56 so I guess it’s possible

[Rhody72]

Mikan retired in 56 so I guess it’s possible

56 was the year George came out of retirement. I went to a game he played in the early 50s.

[ramster]

Down goes St. Bonaventure to Florida Gulf Coast, 71-58. After some nice wins against Notre Dame and a good Middle Tennessee team, the Bonnies have hit the skids

Bonnie’s were favored by 3.5 points, lost by 13

[Jersey77]

Down goes St. Bonaventure to Florida Gulf Coast, 71-58. After some nice wins against Notre Dame and a good Middle Tennessee team, the Bonnies have hit the skids

Bonnie’s were favored by 3.5 points, lost by 13

I am actually surprised the Bonnies have won some of the games they did.

They are the only NCAA team that doesn't have one holdover that actually played a game for them.
Plus, that is even without a coaching change.

I think FGCU made a strong hire in Pat Chambers, currently 9-3.

[RF1]

Down goes St. Bonaventure to Florida Gulf Coast, 71-58. After some nice wins against Notre Dame and a good Middle Tennessee team, the Bonnies have hit the skids

SBU, now 6-5, has two more games to close out its OOC schedule. Both are on the road on their opponent's court- at Siena and at Northern Iowa. The Bonnies have lost both of their only other true road games thus far (Canisius and Buffalo). They will have to break that streak to achieve a winning non-conference record.

[RhowdyRam02]

Providence at Seton Hall at 12:30 on Fox
La Salle at Cincinnati at 2 on ESPN+
Duquesne vs Indiana State at 2 on ESPN+
UMass vs North Texas at Springfield, MA at 3 on ESPN+
Texas State vs Sam Houston at 3 on ESPN+
Tulane vs George Mason at United Center at 3:30
Illinois State vs Ball State at Gainbridge Fieldhouse at 3:30 on ESPN+
VCU vs Northern Illinois at 4 on ESPN+
St. Joe's vs Villanova at 4 on CBS Sports Network
Davidson vs #1 Purdue at Gainbridge Fieldhouse at 6:15 on Big 10 Network
Richmond vs Clemson at Greenville, SC at 7 on ACC Network
Kansas State vs Nebraska at Kansas City, MO at 7 on ESPN+
St. Louis vs Drake at 8 on ESPN+
Dayton vs Wyoming at United Center at 8 on CBS Sports Network