4 teams voted against it. Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and North Carolina State. Interesting as Florida State, Clemson and UNC have been mentioned in discussions about possibly leaving the ACC.
With ACC turning down additions next steps will be interesting and probably fast.
Opens door for teams to depart ACC
Opens door for teams to add to ACC - UCONN watching that closely. UCONN will be in a power conference soon.
Watch The AAC. Mike Aresco is smart and could very well create two divisions East and West in the AAC.
Mountain West could absorb the 4 PAC12 remaining teams
Depends how you look at it. Some of those schools that asked for $50M may have back channeled with the B1G or Big XII knowing what they would be offering.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 11:29 am
by Rhodymob05
ramster wrote: ↑9 months ago
With ACC turning down additions next steps will be interesting and probably fast.
Opens door for teams to depart ACC
Opens door for teams to add to ACC - UCONN watching that closely. UCONN will be in a power conference soon.
Watch The AAC. Mike Aresco is smart and could very well create two divisions East and West in the AAC.
Mountain West could absorb the 4 PAC12 remaining teams
Crazy next upcoming weeks
That would make the MW a power conference? Or wouldn’t that be the other way around?
One nugget from this article is that AAC schools get $5.94 million per year. I have to assume because they don't have football that Wichita State gets significantly less than the full $5.94 other schools get. They're the only school that would move the needle for the A10 to add. I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get the finances to work as is but the A10 should be in contact with them already about them joining the A10 if the AAC falls apart
One nugget from this article is that AAC schools get $5.94 million per year. I have to assume because they don't have football that Wichita State gets significantly less than the full $5.94 other schools get. They're the only school that would move the needle for the A10 to add. I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get the finances to work as is but the A10 should be in contact with them already about them joining the A10 if the AAC falls apart
I don’t see the AAC falling apart, just added 6 teams from C-USA. UConn negotiated a $17M departure fee to join the BE, don’t see Wichita State doing that to join the A10, bad ROI. As you said the financials don’t make sense.
One nugget from this article is that AAC schools get $5.94 million per year. I have to assume because they don't have football that Wichita State gets significantly less than the full $5.94 other schools get. They're the only school that would move the needle for the A10 to add. I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get the finances to work as is but the A10 should be in contact with them already about them joining the A10 if the AAC falls apart
Rhowdy, thanks for posting the article. I don’t know if the AAC will fall apart but I sure do hope the A10 is being proactive when it comes to any and all potential realignment possibilities, partnerships (like conference challenge partners, scheduling, etc.) in the short term and long term to max NET.
One nugget from this article is that AAC schools get $5.94 million per year. I have to assume because they don't have football that Wichita State gets significantly less than the full $5.94 other schools get. They're the only school that would move the needle for the A10 to add. I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get the finances to work as is but the A10 should be in contact with them already about them joining the A10 if the AAC falls apart
I don’t see the AAC falling apart, just added 6 teams from C-USA. UConn negotiated a $17M departure fee to join the BE, don’t see Wichita State doing that to join the A10, bad ROI. As you said the financials don’t make sense.
The Pac 12 was a power 5 conference with over 100 years of history that hadn't ever had a member leave and it's been completely destroyed in just over a year, but you think the AAC is bulletproof because they added a few schools from the C-USA? UConn also departed as an all sports member. Just like Wichita State isn't getting a full share of revenue because they don't have football they won't have a full departure fee because they're not getting full media money.
The financials don't make sense at this moment, but they very well could very soon depending on how things shake up between the Pac 4, the Mountain West, and the AAC. We need to be on the phone yesterday with Wichita State to let them know we're interested if things don't work out for them in the next shake up that's coming in the next 6 months
One nugget from this article is that AAC schools get $5.94 million per year. I have to assume because they don't have football that Wichita State gets significantly less than the full $5.94 other schools get. They're the only school that would move the needle for the A10 to add. I'm sure we wouldn't be able to get the finances to work as is but the A10 should be in contact with them already about them joining the A10 if the AAC falls apart
I don’t see the AAC falling apart, just added 6 teams from C-USA. UConn negotiated a $17M departure fee to join the BE, don’t see Wichita State doing that to join the A10, bad ROI. As you said the financials don’t make sense.
The Pac 12 was a power 5 conference with over 100 years of history that hadn't ever had a member leave and it's been completely destroyed in just over a year, but you think the AAC is bulletproof because they added a few schools from the C-USA? UConn also departed as an all sports member. Just like Wichita State isn't getting a full share of revenue because they don't have football they won't have a full departure fee because they're not getting full media money.
The financials don't make sense at this moment, but they very well could very soon depending on how things shake up between the Pac 4, the Mountain West, and the AAC. We need to be on the phone yesterday with Wichita State to let them know we're interested if things don't work out for them in the next shake up that's coming in the next 6 months
I agree there still be many shake-ups but don’t see the AAC going away. The PAC-12 unraveled because of their greed and unrealistic expectations along with bad leadership. I would love to see Wichita State join the A10 but not optimistic that will happen. Also not sure what their exit fee would be but still probably very substantial.
I don’t see the AAC falling apart, just added 6 teams from C-USA. UConn negotiated a $17M departure fee to join the BE, don’t see Wichita State doing that to join the A10, bad ROI. As you said the financials don’t make sense.
The Pac 12 was a power 5 conference with over 100 years of history that hadn't ever had a member leave and it's been completely destroyed in just over a year, but you think the AAC is bulletproof because they added a few schools from the C-USA? UConn also departed as an all sports member. Just like Wichita State isn't getting a full share of revenue because they don't have football they won't have a full departure fee because they're not getting full media money.
The financials don't make sense at this moment, but they very well could very soon depending on how things shake up between the Pac 4, the Mountain West, and the AAC. We need to be on the phone yesterday with Wichita State to let them know we're interested if things don't work out for them in the next shake up that's coming in the next 6 months
I agree there still be many shake-ups but don’t see the AAC going away. The PAC-12 unraveled because of their greed and unrealistic expectations along with bad leadership. I would love to see Wichita State join the A10 but not optimistic that will happen. Also not sure what their exit fee would be but still probably very substantial.
We know there's going to be at least one more shakeup in the next 6 months or so because the Pac 4 have to do something, as of now they don't have any kind of media deal or real conference effective July 1st.
I'm not saying Wichita State is our next member or anything, all I've argued is the A10 should be doing due diligence and letting them know we'd be interested if their conference situation goes poorly. That seems like a bell pepper on the scoville level of takes
The Pac 12 was a power 5 conference with over 100 years of history that hadn't ever had a member leave and it's been completely destroyed in just over a year, but you think the AAC is bulletproof because they added a few schools from the C-USA? UConn also departed as an all sports member. Just like Wichita State isn't getting a full share of revenue because they don't have football they won't have a full departure fee because they're not getting full media money.
The financials don't make sense at this moment, but they very well could very soon depending on how things shake up between the Pac 4, the Mountain West, and the AAC. We need to be on the phone yesterday with Wichita State to let them know we're interested if things don't work out for them in the next shake up that's coming in the next 6 months
I agree there still be many shake-ups but don’t see the AAC going away. The PAC-12 unraveled because of their greed and unrealistic expectations along with bad leadership. I would love to see Wichita State join the A10 but not optimistic that will happen. Also not sure what their exit fee would be but still probably very substantial.
We know there's going to be at least one more shakeup in the next 6 months or so because the Pac 4 have to do something, as of now they don't have any kind of media deal or real conference effective July 1st.
I'm not saying Wichita State is our next member or anything, all I've argued is the A10 should be doing due diligence and letting them know we'd be interested if their conference situation goes poorly. That seems like a bell pepper on the scoville level of takes
I agree there still be many shake-ups but don’t see the AAC going away. The PAC-12 unraveled because of their greed and unrealistic expectations along with bad leadership. I would love to see Wichita State join the A10 but not optimistic that will happen. Also not sure what their exit fee would be but still probably very substantial.
We know there's going to be at least one more shakeup in the next 6 months or so because the Pac 4 have to do something, as of now they don't have any kind of media deal or real conference effective July 1st.
I'm not saying Wichita State is our next member or anything, all I've argued is the A10 should be doing due diligence and letting them know we'd be interested if their conference situation goes poorly. That seems like a bell pepper on the scoville level of takes
That's why McGlade gets the big buck salary
A lot must happen first and probably not anytime soon for Wichita State to be in any A10 conversation. By then, who knows what may become of the A10.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:15 pm
by Jdrums#3
Jersey, your last sentence above is very important and not to be disregarded.
If I had to pick one word today for the future of the A10, I would pick, uncertainty.
I enjoy football - NFL and college but I prefer college basketball and Rhody basketball more specifically - however, football is steamrolling the college sports landscape and ruining basketball as a result.
I don’t know what the answer is short of 30 - 35 big time football programs splitting off to do their own thing to solely feed that ravenous beast but leave all other sports on a somewhat level field (with help from a regulatory body with oversight for non-football sports) with regional conferences to accentuate traditional rivalries as a foundation to national championships in all non-football sports. Unfortunately, greed and arrogance will likely prevent that from ever happening.
Nothing really new here, we already knew that UConn to the B12 wasn’t happening.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:16 pm
by Cameron_Dollar
I'd like to strike out like UCONN strikes out. That school treats athletics in a first class manner and a top priority as well as having both a law school and medical school. If it takes them another 10 years, they will figure out a way to get their football program up to standards. The biggest obstacle that they have faced thus far is that the northeast is not a breeding ground for potential D1 players. They figued it out for Men's and Women's soccer, basketball and ice hockey. They are light years ahead of both us and UMASS.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:38 pm
by NYGFan_Section208
Cameron_Dollar wrote: ↑9 months ago
I'd like to strike out like UCONN strikes out. That school treats athletics in a first class manner and a top priority as well as having both a law school and medical school. If it takes them another 10 years, they will figure out a way to get their football program up to standards. The biggest obstacle that they have faced thus far is that the northeast is not a breeding ground for potential D1 players. They figued it out for Men's and Women's soccer, basketball and ice hockey. They are light years ahead of both us and UMASS.
They actually had it figured out for football for a little while, so "back" up to standards
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:48 pm
by Jersey77
Slightly off subject but the MWC once again leads the Mid-Majors in Madness 144 with 6 teams ranked in the top 100.
Cameron_Dollar wrote: ↑9 months ago
I'd like to strike out like UCONN strikes out. That school treats athletics in a first class manner and a top priority as well as having both a law school and medical school. If it takes them another 10 years, they will figure out a way to get their football program up to standards. The biggest obstacle that they have faced thus far is that the northeast is not a breeding ground for potential D1 players. They figued it out for Men's and Women's soccer, basketball and ice hockey. They are light years ahead of both us and UMASS.
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If Calipari would have stayed at UMass as long as Calhoun stayed at UConn, UMass might be in a similar situation as UConn right now with successful athletic program. Both coaches cheated but knew how create an entertaing product. However Tell a UConn fan in 1990 that in 2023 Storrs will be coined "The basketball capital of the world" and they would tell you to eff off! Then they would go get a cone at the dairy bar and check out the horses take a dump while smelling that UCONN aggie stench. Now that is Huskie Pride.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:23 am
by ramster
Jersey77 wrote: ↑9 months ago
Slightly off subject but the MWC once again leads the Mid-Majors in Madness 144 with 6 teams ranked in the top 100.
I've gotten most realignment moves, even if I don't think it's best, but this one I don't get at all.
Notre Dame, a school that isn't a full member of the ACC and will never become one, is pushing the ACC to add these three faraway schools that bring almost nothing to the table. And because they bring almost nothing to the table you're basically guaranteeing every school you'd want to keep if you're the ACC will be gone as soon as they can get out of the grant of rights.
If I was an ACC school I'd tell Notre Dame that the only way I would let Stanford and Cal in the conference is if Notre Dame were coming in to the conference with those other two. And I wouldn't be even contemplating SMU
Which make sense to me, Ramster.
They need to keep/put themselves in a position for favorable media deals.
Just look at the demise of the PAC12, poor foresight, greedy, and unrealistic expectations.
Geography is playing much less of a role in this new age of expansion and realignment.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:39 pm
by SGreenwell
RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑9 months ago
I've gotten most realignment moves, even if I don't think it's best, but this one I don't get at all.
Notre Dame, a school that isn't a full member of the ACC and will never become one, is pushing the ACC to add these three faraway schools that bring almost nothing to the table. And because they bring almost nothing to the table you're basically guaranteeing every school you'd want to keep if you're the ACC will be gone as soon as they can get out of the grant of rights.
If I was an ACC school I'd tell Notre Dame that the only way I would let Stanford and Cal in the conference is if Notre Dame were coming in to the conference with those other two. And I wouldn't be even contemplating SMU
It wouldn't surprise me if it's already a done deal that a couple schools like Florida State are gone. If that's the case, well, might as well just grab Stanford, Cal and SMU now, instead of trying to get to 15 with whatever is left over.
RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑9 months ago
I've gotten most realignment moves, even if I don't think it's best, but this one I don't get at all.
Notre Dame, a school that isn't a full member of the ACC and will never become one, is pushing the ACC to add these three faraway schools that bring almost nothing to the table. And because they bring almost nothing to the table you're basically guaranteeing every school you'd want to keep if you're the ACC will be gone as soon as they can get out of the grant of rights.
If I was an ACC school I'd tell Notre Dame that the only way I would let Stanford and Cal in the conference is if Notre Dame were coming in to the conference with those other two. And I wouldn't be even contemplating SMU
It wouldn't surprise me if it's already a done deal that a couple schools like Florida State are gone. If that's the case, well, might as well just grab Stanford, Cal and SMU now, instead of trying to get to 15 with whatever is left over.
I guess, but this seems like you're literally pushing the top half of your league to leave
Which make sense to me, Ramster.
They need to keep/put themselves in a position for favorable media deals.
Just look at the demise of the PAC12, poor foresight, greedy, and unrealistic expectations.
Geography is playing much less of a role in this new age of expansion and realignment.
PAC 12 had poor leadership, couldn't get anything done to the ultimate demise of the entire Conference.
Media runs the show. Football runs the show.
So how much of an issue is travel when half your FBS Football Games are at home, some are with relatively close conference rivals and travel is significant for 2-3 games? ACC had to make a move, could not sit there and let the Mountain West take over the remains of the PAC 12 or some other alternative. AAC was also looking at two divisions and expanding. If the ACC didn't do it another conference would for sure.
Excellent academic additions to an already high academic ACC.
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:15 pm
by Jdrums#3
RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑9 months ago
I've gotten most realignment moves, even if I don't think it's best, but this one I don't get at all.
Notre Dame, a school that isn't a full member of the ACC and will never become one, is pushing the ACC to add these three faraway schools that bring almost nothing to the table. And because they bring almost nothing to the table you're basically guaranteeing every school you'd want to keep if you're the ACC will be gone as soon as they can get out of the grant of rights.
If I was an ACC school I'd tell Notre Dame that the only way I would let Stanford and Cal in the conference is if Notre Dame were coming in to the conference with those other two. And I wouldn't be even contemplating SMU
02, I get what you are saying and, on the surface, the ACC adding CalFord and SMU don’t make sense.
On the other hand, I think from the ACC’s perspective, they can get all three at such bargain basement prices that it is hard to resist.
Stanford is an excellent brand, Cal is a good brand (though it doesn’t always excel in FB and CBB - not sure about other sports ) and SMU gives the ACC a foothold into the rich FB talent environment of TX.
That’s how I see it with my limited perspective.
I don’t know how the vote go but it will be very difficult to resist adding all 3 with the concessions the 3 are willing to make.
After that said, even if Stan and Cal end up in the ACC they will still try to maneuver for BIG conf invites. They just may have to wait years for that to happen.
RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑9 months ago
I've gotten most realignment moves, even if I don't think it's best, but this one I don't get at all.
Notre Dame, a school that isn't a full member of the ACC and will never become one, is pushing the ACC to add these three faraway schools that bring almost nothing to the table. And because they bring almost nothing to the table you're basically guaranteeing every school you'd want to keep if you're the ACC will be gone as soon as they can get out of the grant of rights.
If I was an ACC school I'd tell Notre Dame that the only way I would let Stanford and Cal in the conference is if Notre Dame were coming in to the conference with those other two. And I wouldn't be even contemplating SMU
It wouldn't surprise me if it's already a done deal that a couple schools like Florida State are gone. If that's the case, well, might as well just grab Stanford, Cal and SMU now, instead of trying to get to 15 with whatever is left over.
I guess, but this seems like you're literally pushing the top half of your league to leave
Aside from the $120M exit fee, the teams are bound by the GOR(Grant of Rights) till 2036.
Which means the ACC holds all the team's media rights till 2036 even if they leave the conference.
Those teams that may want to leave will have to find a legal loophole to get around it.
The ACC needs Stanford, Cal and ND. Getting all three would be such a no-brainer that taking SMU would be worth it to close the deal. Cal is such an excellent university, it would add prestige to the ACC although its sports commitment is questionable. What re these schools willing to commit to join the ACC?
Re: Conference Realignment
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:55 pm
by NYGFan_Section208
Rhody72 wrote: ↑9 months ago
The ACC needs Stanford, Cal and ND. Getting all three would be such a no-brainer that taking SMU would be worth it to close the deal. Cal is such an excellent university, it would add prestige to the ACC although its sports commitment is questionable. What re these schools willing to commit to join the ACC?
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