The Coaching Carousel

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

One option is to have them work 9 months instead of 12 (: sarcasm

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

reef wrote:Guess that's the difference between the big 10 and Atlantic 10

Obviously the tv revenue is worlds apart.

My contention is not that URI try to match P5 schools. Just try to get much closer in salary so that good assistants can be hired and retained. Let's face it, URI is never going to be able to come close to paying the head coach what the big schools do. That would require several million/year more. Coming up with a few hundred thousand for the assistants is however much more manageable. It also means maintaining a highly qualified staff that could possibly see someone elevated should the head coach leave. It also makes the head coach's job easier which might help to get him to stay a bit longer. I think it makes sense to pay the assistants more and is doable.

CHICO 78 · Unread post by **CHICO 78** » 6 years ago

Just for arguments sake consider that the student population of Michigan at Ann Arbor or
Ohio State ,Columbus are just south of 50,000. That would make them the 5th largest city/town in
Rhode Island behind Providence , Warwick, Cranston & Pawtucket. They have an infra-structure
comparable with East Providence. Is it any wonder why they can afford to pay their coaches more?
Then there are the revenues from the " The big house home football games ( 103,000 tickets per game)
or Ohio State ( 104,944 tickets per game). They pull in over a $1,000,000 a GAME for the athletics budget.
We are NEVER going to be able to match the expenditures of any of the Power 5 schools.
It's an exercise in futility to even look at it. Do we need to pony up more money the we do. Absolutely.
We need to keep up with the other Mid-Majors. Stopping the upward movement of our assistants to
Bigger / power conference schools is unrealistic. The power conferences are out of reach. Accept it.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

CHICO 78 wrote:Just for arguments sake consider that the student population of Michigan at Ann Arbor or
Ohio State ,Columbus are just south of 50,000. That would make them the 5th largest city/town in
Rhode Island behind Providence , Warwick, Cranston & Pawtucket. They have an infra-structure
comparable with East Providence. Is it any wonder why they can afford to pay their coaches more?
Then there are the revenues from the " The big house home football games ( 103,000 tickets per game)
or Ohio State ( 104,944 tickets per game). They pull in over a $1,000,000 a GAME for the athletics budget.
We are NEVER going to be able to match the expenditures of any of the Power 5 schools.
It's an exercise in futility to even look at it. Do we need to pony up more money the we do. Absolutely.
We need to keep up with the other Mid-Majors. Stopping the upward movement of our assistants to
Bigger / power conference schools is unrealistic. The power conferences are out of reach. Accept it.

URI is more than 3.5 times the enrollment size of Providence College. PC however reportedly pays its coach some 3X what URI does. Size does not matter. Only revenues matter.

Adding another 200K is very much within reach for URI. Especially with the added revenues coming in from increased attendance and sponsorships, NCAA participation revenues, and decreased head coach salary.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 6 years ago

Tuition matters as well. PC having a higher tuition.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

RF1 wrote:
CHICO 78 wrote:Just for arguments sake consider that the student population of Michigan at Ann Arbor or
Ohio State ,Columbus are just south of 50,000. That would make them the 5th largest city/town in
Rhode Island behind Providence , Warwick, Cranston & Pawtucket. They have an infra-structure
comparable with East Providence. Is it any wonder why they can afford to pay their coaches more?
Then there are the revenues from the " The big house home football games ( 103,000 tickets per game)
or Ohio State ( 104,944 tickets per game). They pull in over a $1,000,000 a GAME for the athletics budget.
We are NEVER going to be able to match the expenditures of any of the Power 5 schools.
It's an exercise in futility to even look at it. Do we need to pony up more money the we do. Absolutely.
We need to keep up with the other Mid-Majors. Stopping the upward movement of our assistants to
Bigger / power conference schools is unrealistic. The power conferences are out of reach. Accept it.

URI is more than 3.5 times the enrollment size of Providence College. PC however reportedly pays its coach some 3X what URI does. Size does not matter. Only revenues matter.

Adding another 200K is very much within reach for URI. Especially with the added revenues coming in from increased attendance and sponsorships, NCAA participation revenues, and decreased head coach salary.

Of course size matters. It only makes sense to compare URI to other similarly situated schools. Just like state schools that have student populations 5X or more what URI's is can be expected to have more resources, so too can schools that charge tuition 5X or more what URI does, because rich kids from rich families grow up to be rich adults who can donate more money.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 6 years ago

All that aside, PC received 4MM a year in TV revenues...probably 7-8 times what we receive. That is the driving force behind their bball budget.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 6 years ago

CHICO 78 wrote:Just for arguments sake consider that the student population of Michigan at Ann Arbor or
Ohio State ,Columbus are just south of 50,000. That would make them the 5th largest city/town in
Rhode Island behind Providence , Warwick, Cranston & Pawtucket. They have an infra-structure
comparable with East Providence. Is it any wonder why they can afford to pay their coaches more?
Then there are the revenues from the " The big house home football games ( 103,000 tickets per game)
or Ohio State ( 104,944 tickets per game). They pull in over a $1,000,000 a GAME for the athletics budget.
We are NEVER going to be able to match the expenditures of any of the Power 5 schools.
It's an exercise in futility to even look at it. Do we need to pony up more money the we do. Absolutely.
We need to keep up with the other Mid-Majors. Stopping the upward movement of our assistants to
Bigger / power conference schools is unrealistic. The power conferences are out of reach. Accept it.

My only counterargument to this would be that what matters most is the money being directly put back into the basketball program.
Ohio St. sure makes a ton of money from football, through both TV and gates.
But if most of that money gets put back into the football program, then it doesn't matter.
For example, in 2016, Ohio St. had basketball-related expenses of $9.5 million, but led the entire Big 10 with operating expenses of nearly $167 million.
How much of that money was spent on it's football program? 80%? 85%? It's all in how your AD allocates how the money is going to be spent.
If you go back to 2010, back when PC was a puddle, they were still out-spending basketball programs from high-profile football schools like Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida St., or Nebraska.
I would love to see more recent calculations, but all it shows is that just because the athletic department receives the money doesn't mean it benefits all.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

URI could increase the assistant salary pool without even increasing the men's basketball total staff salary budget. The difference in salary between Hurley and Cox alone makes it all possible without increasing spending from LY.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

RF1 wrote:URI could increase the assistant salary pool without even increasing the men's basketball total staff salary budget. The difference in salary between Hurley and Cox alone makes it all possible without increasing spending from LY.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 6 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote:
CHICO 78 wrote:Just for arguments sake consider that the student population of Michigan at Ann Arbor or
Ohio State ,Columbus are just south of 50,000. That would make them the 5th largest city/town in
Rhode Island behind Providence , Warwick, Cranston & Pawtucket. They have an infra-structure
comparable with East Providence. Is it any wonder why they can afford to pay their coaches more?
Then there are the revenues from the " The big house home football games ( 103,000 tickets per game)
or Ohio State ( 104,944 tickets per game). They pull in over a $1,000,000 a GAME for the athletics budget.
We are NEVER going to be able to match the expenditures of any of the Power 5 schools.
It's an exercise in futility to even look at it. Do we need to pony up more money the we do. Absolutely.
We need to keep up with the other Mid-Majors. Stopping the upward movement of our assistants to
Bigger / power conference schools is unrealistic. The power conferences are out of reach. Accept it.
My only counterargument to this would be that what matters most is the money being directly put back into the basketball program.
Ohio St. sure makes a ton of money from football, through both TV and gates.
But if most of that money gets put back into the football program, then it doesn't matter.
For example, in 2016, Ohio St. had basketball-related expenses of $9.5 million, but led the entire Big 10 with operating expenses of nearly $167 million.
How much of that money was spent on it's football program? 80%? 85%? It's all in how your AD allocates how the money is going to be spent.
If you go back to 2010, back when PC was a puddle, they were still out-spending basketball programs from high-profile football schools like Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida St., or Nebraska.
I would love to see more recent calculations, but all it shows is that just because the athletic department receives the money doesn't mean it benefits all.

re: the PC spending point, it's a lot easier to do when you dont have to go to the dopes in the GA to get every budget approved.

thing is the big football schools also pull in huge revenues. For example OSU made $170 million, Texas made $187 million, Michigan made $163 million.

The top earning non P5 school was UConn...46th overall in revenue at $79 million. Even then they still get the big football money

These are only athletic department revenues.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

When an Ast only stays for one year it is a complete waste from a recruiting standpoint

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 6 years ago

Dayton looks to be in a world of hurt say it ain't so Anthony Grant !!

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

Cox made a run at Van Macon but couldn’t match this from SLU

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 6 years ago

The reward for staying.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 6 years ago

Teams going in opposite directions St Louis and Dayton

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

Dayton Strength Coach announced yesterday that he is leaving. Only there one year. The wheels are falling of on Anthony Grant.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 6 years ago

Terrible hire in Grant.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

Grant is a mediocre hire at best imo. He can recruit a little, but bench coaching is not a strength.

They will be decent under his watch, but their ceiling won't be very high.

Whoops sounds like someone we had....for far too many years.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 6 years ago

Dayton alum and long time season ticket holders will not allow their big red train to run off the tracks.

This will end soon and Flyers will bounce back.

Quick.

Count on it. 15k in the seats every game demands it!

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 6 years ago

Yeah if they have a train wreck of a season this year then that may be it for Grant

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 6 years ago

This is official now. Wonderful opportunity for the Marshalls to go home and be around family and friends, especially with having two young children.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 6 years ago

This position seems well-suited for him, and he gets to return to Rowan.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

I’ve enjoyed these Athletic pieces with first year coaches and players.

NHRamFan · Unread post by **NHRamFan** » 5 years ago

And in other news... Jerry Duh has been named Director of Quality Control for the Clemson women's basketball program. What exactly is that?

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 5 years ago

NHRamFan wrote:And in other news... Jerry Duh has been named Director of Quality Control for the Clemson women's basketball program. What exactly is that?

The jokes, they write themselves.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

That’s, uh, random.

ramsman75 · Unread post by **ramsman75** » 5 years ago

https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-th ... 24076.html

Discuss ... (or not)

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 5 years ago

not...never liked him.....

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 5 years ago

Let's see. He played at UMass, historically our #3 rival. He coached at PC, our #1 rival. He ruined the Celtics. And he's a slimy sleaze. Fuck him. See ya.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Bill Reynolds should propose doing another book with Pitino - CHEATING IS A CHOICE

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

I definitely think he deserves a chance to coach again . Yes he did wrong but others have done just as bad and continued coaching

eli#10 · Unread post by **eli#10** » 5 years ago

His ass should be thrown out of the Basketball Hall of Fame but nobody has the balls to start the process.

KevanBoyles · Unread post by **KevanBoyles** » 5 years ago

Rick Barnes just got a three year extension at Tennessee. $3.5M over six years. Not bad for mediocrity.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

I think they are projected to be a Top 10 team this year

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 5 years ago

KevanBoyles wrote: ↑5 years ago Rick Barnes just got a three year extension at Tennessee. $3.5M over six years. Not bad for mediocrity.

Ranked 6th Preseason
https://athlonsports.com/college-basket ... 8-19-early

KevanBoyles · Unread post by **KevanBoyles** » 5 years ago

Let’s see how far they go in the tournament.

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 5 years ago

ramsman75 wrote: ↑5 years ago https://sports.yahoo.com/rick-pitino-th ... 24076.html

Discuss ... (or not)

Little Ricky has been sleazy from the beginning. Back in the 70s he got Hawaii on probation (which didn't stop Boston University from hiring him).

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

RHODE ISLAND
The New: David Cox
The Old: Dan Hurley (113-82, six seasons, 2 NCAA tournament appearances)
Hurley left for UConn, and Athletic Director Thorr Bjorn ultimately tabbed Cox to slide over a seat and replace Hurley. Cox has been instrumental in the program’s turnaround, and now the William & Mary grad gets his shot. Cox came up through the D.C. Assault AAU program, worked as a high school coach and then as an D-1 assistant at Pittsburgh, Georgetown, Rutgers and URI. The Rams lost a ton, but still return enough talent and bring in quality recruits. Plus, the A-10 is wide open this season.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

Time to yank this thing outta page 3 and start the Musselman to UCLA rumors. Ok, so it's literally a throw away line at the (very) end of the article.
Pretty sure if they offered him the job, he'd be ready to start yesterday.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... art-season

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

I don’t think he will go anywhere during the season, so it will be the interim guy and then after the season it’s pretty likely he ends up there unless Nevada flames out or there is a better job that opens up (unlikely).

The one thing that has always bothered me about Musselman’s Nevada program (aside from their cowardly scheduling bullshit) is that he is almost entirely dependent on transfers. His rosters are 90% guys he didn’t recruit. I don’t know if that will work at a UCLA caliber program; he will need to recruit there. And also, not sure if UCLA cares about this, but there is something VERY dirty seeming about how he ends up with all these transfers. It doesn’t seem like that could happen organically; it feels like they are a leech program. But also, as a fan part of the appeal to me is having guys come in and get to know them and see them grow up over their four years - the same four years I had at URI. Being Transfer U takes that away. I’m not anti-transfer here or there to plug a hole. Kuran and Stan were two of my favorite Hurley-era players. But building a whole program around that just feels cheap and dirty to me.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Must admit it is nice not having to worry about schools with open positions poaching our coach. It is probably a few years off if Cox is eventually very successful.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Must admit it is nice not having to worry about schools with open positions poaching our coach. It is probably a few years off if Cox is eventually very successful.

Kind of agree. But it would be better to be a top-15 team with a coach other programs are salivating over. That’s the trade off.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

Yeah we want Cox to be a hot commodity at some point, hopefully not too far off.

At least we know he's not going anywhere after this season lol. And that's not being critical.

If we were to somehow get hot at the right time and make the Dance? Still no.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

I think if Muss ends up at UCLA he won't be that much defendant on transfers , UCLA recruits itself. He was probably dependant on transfers at Nevada cuz that was the only way he can compete with the big boys

Be interesting to see where Alford goes ?? UCLA and Alford seemed like an odd fit from the beginning

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 5 years ago

reef wrote: ↑5 years ago I think if Muss ends up at UCLA he won't be that much defendant on transfers , UCLA recruits itself. He was probably dependant on transfers at Nevada cuz that was the only way he can compete with the big boys

Be interesting to see where Alford goes ?? UCLA and Alford seemed like an odd fit from the beginning

Musselmen isn’t listed in the top 8 candidates in the articles I have seen. Not a good match for UCLA.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

Bobby Hurley being mentioned. Don’t think he ends up there. Crazy UCLA doesn’t have charters for away games and in terms of resources scores low.

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 5 years ago

I noticed that there is not one Pac 12 team in the Top 25. The entire conference is in a downturn.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

UCH21377 wrote: ↑5 years ago I noticed that there is not one Pac 12 team in the Top 25. The entire conference is in a downturn.

They do have Bill Walton. And as long as he's around, they'll always be "The Conference of Champions".
ETA: And UCLA is still UCLA. They probably go interim, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. Seems they'd want to cut a deal sooner rather than later, Don't they have a decent class with a salvageable season? Money probably not an issue...people will probably start angling...a deal gets made...deal gets outed...poof - coach shuffle.

Was I just imagining things, or did I hear Andy Katz say yesterday that UCLA should think about a guy like Cooley?
The sound was low and I scrambled for the remote but was too late and couldn't get it to rewind...so it could have been imaginary.

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Must admit it is nice not having to worry about schools with open positions poaching our coach. It is probably a few years off if Cox is eventually very successful.

Know what you mean but maybe nice is not the right word, eg was it nice when nobody was poaching Baron?