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Davidson really starts 4 Guards. Their starting line up is 6’4”, 6’5”, 6’5”, 6’6” & 6’10”.
I don’t see Harris getting much time tonight unless Davidson plays Kovacevic (6’10”) more off the bench. He played 17 minutes vs SLU.
Fatts is going to have trouble guarding Gudmundsson at 6’4”.
Davidson’s 6th man is a 6’3” G (Collins).
I don’t see Harris getting much time tonight unless Davidson plays Kovacevic (6’10”) more off the bench. He played 17 minutes vs SLU.
Fatts is going to have trouble guarding Gudmundsson at 6’4”.
Davidson’s 6th man is a 6’3” G (Collins).
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Oh boy...that means we will see a lot of Thompson tonight...if he doesn't give it 100% we have a problem.
Good point about Harris playing time versus smaller lineups....Saturday against Dayton JH should get more time, since Dayton likes to play Toppin and Cunningham together.
Their strength is their inside game with those 2...Harris will need to stay out of foul trouble....good luck
Hopefully tonight Fatts can pester JAG into mistakes when he's in there.
Good point about Harris playing time versus smaller lineups....Saturday against Dayton JH should get more time, since Dayton likes to play Toppin and Cunningham together.
Their strength is their inside game with those 2...Harris will need to stay out of foul trouble....good luck
Hopefully tonight Fatts can pester JAG into mistakes when he's in there.
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Or Harris and Cyril play a lot together and we give them matchup problems.
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I agree. His playing time overall does not seem to be dictated by foul trouble...so why are we pulling him when he picks up his second? As far as it being a coaches’ decision, again I agree with you but I disagree with the decision. Whatever criteria they are using to make that decision, nobody coming off the bench to play those minutes that he is on the bench is giving you enough to justify his not getting back into the game. Stipulated that Harris is raw and needs work, but he isn’t getting the work sitting on the bench. Let him play his way into the player they expect him to be. He is still giving you enough to justify his being out there to develop, even though it isn’t blowing anyone away at this point.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoI really don't think Harris' playing time has much to do with fouls at all. Sure they take him out when he gets 2 obviously, but from there it seems to be just coaches decision. Basically its coming down to Thompson getting most of Harris' minutes now that Tyrese is playing so much.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑5 years agoTrue. Against St. Louis, he only had 2 fouls yet played only 14 minutes. Unless he's hurt and on a minutes restriction, I don't get it.TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago
I don’t get why our coaches are so concerned about his foul situation, since they barely play him in the second half. Have to wonder what they think they’re saving him for - he picks up his second and they pull him, he starts the second half and plays for a few minutes (whether or not he picks up any more fouls) then sits for the duration.
I think the time has come for him to just play, and if he fouls out then so be it. His development is vital for us going forward, so he needs the minutes and opportunities. The alternatives of playing Preston or going small really don’t do it for me; there is no future for us with that.
Obviously Harris isn’t going to (and shouldn’t be) playing 40 minutes, and you still need to find minutes for Dana for many of the same reasons, but every minute that Harris and Dana are on the bench and Thompson or Preston are in the game (hasn’t been as much Preston lately, admittedly) is a minute of wasted development. To play those guys over the freshmen is borrowing against your future, and to me it looks like you’re getting about $0.25 now for every $1 it is going to cost you later. I’m not honestly sure THIS YEAR’s team is getting any benefit from the current minutes distribution, but I am totally convinced it is going to hurt you in the future.
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Agreed. I dont understand why so many try to match small line ups with your small line up that sucks instead of imposing height on them. Team's do it to us and it works. UVA in Brooklyn last year? They posted a guy that avg like 3 points a game and beat us with him leading the way.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑5 years ago Or Harris and Cyril play a lot together and we give them matchup problems.
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Yep, agree completely. I can't figure it out either. I guess it's just a trust thing at this point with Thompson over Harris, or like was said earlier a matchup issue. But whatever it is, I don't get it.TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years agoI agree. His playing time overall does not seem to be dictated by foul trouble...so why are we pulling him when he picks up his second? As far as it being a coaches’ decision, again I agree with you but I disagree with the decision. Whatever criteria they are using to make that decision, nobody coming off the bench to play those minutes that he is on the bench is giving you enough to justify his not getting back into the game. Stipulated that Harris is raw and needs work, but he isn’t getting the work sitting on the bench. Let him play his way into the player they expect him to be. He is still giving you enough to justify his being out there to develop, even though it isn’t blowing anyone away at this point.adam914 wrote: ↑5 years agoI really don't think Harris' playing time has much to do with fouls at all. Sure they take him out when he gets 2 obviously, but from there it seems to be just coaches decision. Basically its coming down to Thompson getting most of Harris' minutes now that Tyrese is playing so much.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑5 years ago
True. Against St. Louis, he only had 2 fouls yet played only 14 minutes. Unless he's hurt and on a minutes restriction, I don't get it.
Obviously Harris isn’t going to (and shouldn’t be) playing 40 minutes, and you still need to find minutes for Dana for many of the same reasons, but every minute that Harris and Dana are on the bench and Thompson or Preston are in the game (hasn’t been as much Preston lately, admittedly) is a minute of wasted development. To play those guys over the freshmen is borrowing against your future, and to me it looks like you’re getting about $0.25 now for every $1 it is going to cost you later. I’m not honestly sure THIS YEAR’s team is getting any benefit from the current minutes distribution, but I am totally convinced it is going to hurt you in the future.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
how about some pick and rolls setup by Cyril for JH ?
or just straight up picks for JH
would love to see a pick and have JH face up and receive a pass 15 feet out and shoot quickly
or just straight up picks for JH
would love to see a pick and have JH face up and receive a pass 15 feet out and shoot quickly
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Reeg has been off that show for quite some time so can only imagine how stale this balancing act must be.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago This is the half time show tonight at Davidson. He will also be at the A10 Championship Game on March 17
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I think that has to be it, which I would almost understand if this team were just a touch more in hunt for something. This season is not a total wash and I’m not suggesting we just punt it, but it just seems to me that ultimately we will judge this season by how much the key contributors next year developed - and it just doesn’t seem to me that we are getting all that much more now from our trust in Thompson (at the risk of repeating myself).
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I guess Cox and staff see things that we don't....at some point someone will pop the question of JH's and Tate's lack of 2nd half playing time to him.
Wonder what DiSano thinks? He's as tuned in as anybody to the inner workings of the decision making processes.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
Probably would work! Ive thought this for Dowtin too. Dowtin probably could resemble an A10 RIP Hamilton if given the opportunity.ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑5 years ago how about some pick and rolls setup by Cyril for JH ?
or just straight up picks for JH
would love to see a pick and have JH face up and receive a pass 15 feet out and shoot quickly
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I feel like they have more of a shot then given credit for. They have beaten the teams going into the season who were considered to be the most talented. Dropped a game they were winning by 20 and were close on the road with SLU. The Umass loss was egregious. If they learn and sweep this week or split. Sweep puts them up there. Split keeps them in striking distance.TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years agoI think that has to be it, which I would almost understand if this team were just a touch more in hunt for something. This season is not a total wash and I’m not suggesting we just punt it, but it just seems to me that ultimately we will judge this season by how much the key contributors next year developed - and it just doesn’t seem to me that we are getting all that much more now from our trust in Thompson (at the risk of repeating myself).
All this, but I also think Harris at the 4 is a much better lineup regardless of fouls. URI has generally appeared to be a + team with the starting lineup out there. The one with Harris and Martin.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
i don't think his lack of minutes is completely tied to fouls. Other factors: He has a lot to learn; Cox often goes small toward end of games.TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years agoI don’t get why our coaches are so concerned about his foul situation, since they barely play him in the second half. Have to wonder what they think they’re saving him for - he picks up his second and they pull him, he starts the second half and plays for a few minutes (whether or not he picks up any more fouls) then sits for the duration.FDshoes wrote: ↑5 years agoBig if, harris has shown next to zero ability to stay on the court for extended periods w/o picking up to many dumb fouls.Da_Process_Survivor wrote: ↑5 years ago it's a winable game.
Cyril and Jermaine should dominate their bigs.
We need Jeff and Fatts to hang with Grady and Gudmundsson.
is it easy, or probably likely? not really. But it wouldnt be a shock either if they come home with a win
I think the time has come for him to just play, and if he fouls out then so be it. His development is vital for us going forward, so he needs the minutes and opportunities. The alternatives of playing Preston or going small really don’t do it for me; there is no future for us with that.
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Because of URI's inexperience they have trouble guarding the three point line for the entire shot clock. Martin has been great on offense, but too often covers the ball instead of his man. This scares me tonight at Davidson won't miss many open corner 3s.
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I suspect we will see Cox employ the zone a bit at times tonight to neutralize outside shooting. Should allow some solid minutes for Silviero and Tate if they are on time with rotations.
I think JH could be a mismatch in our favor on offense tonight. Look for him in the mid range - as an above average passer he should be in the triple threat looking to pass/shoot/drive in that order.
Some big to big action to Cyril coming out of the high post would be magic. Would open lanes for Jeff/Ty/Fatts to make cuts as well.
Jeff was much more like his old self on ball against Duquesne, I think building on that tonight will be a big step in the right direction for this team.
The key to win tonight is fundamentals. If we keep turnovers under 10, box out and rebound well, and shoot free throws as a team 75% or better we will win by 5.
I think JH could be a mismatch in our favor on offense tonight. Look for him in the mid range - as an above average passer he should be in the triple threat looking to pass/shoot/drive in that order.
Some big to big action to Cyril coming out of the high post would be magic. Would open lanes for Jeff/Ty/Fatts to make cuts as well.
Jeff was much more like his old self on ball against Duquesne, I think building on that tonight will be a big step in the right direction for this team.
The key to win tonight is fundamentals. If we keep turnovers under 10, box out and rebound well, and shoot free throws as a team 75% or better we will win by 5.
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I've been banging this drum all season long and even wanted Martin in my starting line-up from last May, so when Martin finally got in the starting line up I was relieved, but never thought Thompson would keep the same minutes per gameTruePoint wrote: ↑5 years agoI think that has to be it, which I would almost understand if this team were just a touch more in hunt for something. This season is not a total wash and I’m not suggesting we just punt it, but it just seems to me that ultimately we will judge this season by how much the key contributors next year developed - and it just doesn’t seem to me that we are getting all that much more now from our trust in Thompson (at the risk of repeating myself).
Looking at Harris:
Has started every game
Last 6 Games since Martin replaced Thompson in the Starting Line Up:
Minutes/Fouls/Opponent/Rebounds
19 min/ 3F/ 3 reb/ St Bonaventure - W
12 min/ 3F/ 1 reb/ LaSalle - W
22 min/ 2F/ 7 reb/ VCU - W
14 min/ 4F/ 3 reb/ UMASS - L
15 min/ 4F/ 1 reb/ Duquesne - L
14 min/ 2F/ 1 reb/ St Louis - W
Thompson
Minutes/Fouls/Opponent/Rebounds
25 min/ 4F/ 3 reb/ St Bonaventure - W
22 min/ 4F/ 3 reb/ LaSalle - W
24 min/ 3F/ 3 reb/ VCU - W
30 min/ 4F/ 4 reb/ UMASS - L
30 min/ 2F/ 2 reb/ Duquesne - L
23 min/ 0F/ 2 reb/ St Louis - W
Martin
Minutes/Fouls/Opponent/Rebounds
32 min/ 4F/ 5 reb/ St Bonaventure - W
32 min/ 1F/ 9 reb/ LaSalle - W
30 min/ 2F/ 7 reb/ VCU - W
31 min/ 3F/ 3 reb/ UMASS - L
31 min/ 2F/ 5 reb/ Duquesne - L
37 min/ 2F/ 10 reb/ St Louis - W
Bottom Line Thompson's minutes have not changed.
Harris needs to avoid Fouls quite simply
Vs UMASS and Duquesne he picked up 4 fouls
I don't understand why he is sometimes out past the 3 point line picking up guards who are bringing the ball down. I don't understand why the Coaching Staff would be telling him to get down in the paint - makes no sense and it's a terribly dumb risk for him to take
He picks up offensive fouls backing in to the hoop - Coaches must work with him on this
Last game he picked up 2 fouls but Cox put him back in during the 1st half - something Hurley would never, ever do
Harris is a very talented player, I would hate to see him transfer to another school. Wish Antonio Reynolds Dean was here to work with him.
Seems Cox is moving more and more towards 4 players getting the majority of the minutes.
Last game vs St Louis
Dowtin 39 min
Martin 37 min
Langevine 36 min
Russell 33 min
Harris 14 min
Thompson 23 min
Tate 13 min
Silverio 5 min
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
On COX the game has been moved to ESPNU Ch 1134.
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In my opinion Thompson should be getting 20 mins, Fatts should be getting 25. Langevine should be getting 30.
Make that change and it gets Tate up to 20ish, Harris up to 20ish and Silviero up to about 10.
Could make a major impact on how fresh we are going into the final 5 mins of games... Could also open up the offense. With 8 guys capable of scoring getting double digit minutes it makes you hard to guard.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
analysis of Fatts FG and 3FG shooting percentages by a Davidson poster........
https://davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=30
https://davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=30
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Hramster wrote: ↑5 years ago analysis of Fatts FG and 3FG shooting percentages by a Davidson poster........
https://davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=30
The poster isnt wrong, That being said he has gotten better as of late strictly because he isn't launching as many 3s. Personally would be happier if that number got to 3 or less attempts a game.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
I give that person a lot of credit for taking the time to do all that research. Wherever he works, are they hiring? Clearly has a lot of time on his hands.ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago analysis of Fatts FG and 3FG shooting percentages by a Davidson poster........
https://davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=30
All he needed to do was read our blogs to understand how bad Fatts 3s are.
Now let's hope Fatts completely burns them tonight.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
I think we've been fine the past few games with Fatts taking just a few 3s. He's not chucking up 15 3s anytime soon.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
I'm sure it is not just a Cox thing. This game is absolute on ESPNU
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That was depressing to read...ramster wrote: ↑5 years ago analysis of Fatts FG and 3FG shooting percentages by a Davidson poster........
https://davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php? ... 8&start=30
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
For the season among players in the A10 we have 3 of the bottom 4:
#42T Jeff Dowtin 28%
#42T Christion Thompson 28%
#44 Evans VCU 25.6%
#45 Fatts Russell 18.9%
Best thing for us is to decrease 3FG attempts as we have done lately and let Martin and Tate take them when we do. Plus practice a lot, and do not take 3FGs off balance or with defensive pressure.
#42T Jeff Dowtin 28%
#42T Christion Thompson 28%
#44 Evans VCU 25.6%
#45 Fatts Russell 18.9%
Best thing for us is to decrease 3FG attempts as we have done lately and let Martin and Tate take them when we do. Plus practice a lot, and do not take 3FGs off balance or with defensive pressure.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
Yep, they took it off the deuce and moved it to U.RhodyRam86 wrote: ↑5 years ago
I'm sure it is not just a Cox thing. This game is absolute on ESPNU
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPN2)
I agree on reducing the 3FG attempts. I thought Rhody took too many vs SLU (18).
Davidson averages 28 3FG attempts & hitting 34.5%
Davidson averages 28 3FG attempts & hitting 34.5%
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Does the lighting look horrible on the court?
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Is it just my imagination...or, do our bigs get more of their shots blocked than any other combo of bigs...anywhere?
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Is it just me or does it look like Davidson didnt pay the electric bill? Looks dark in the gym.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
....Harris out, why?
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Well the good news is, we scored a point!
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Another horrible start on offense. 0-9.
Some of the poor starts have to fall on the coach.
Some of the poor starts have to fall on the coach.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Ugly start down 6-1 under 16
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Because he was playing like crap. That three he took was ridiculous and the guy he was covering scored 4 of the 6 points.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Volleyball?
Really? What?
Really? What?
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
I'd be interested in seeing the difference in Martin's shooting % when he is moving, catches and shoots compared to when he is standing still and the ball finds him. He does not shoot well on the move, but is deadly when stationary.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
.....oh, got it, just radio here....thx
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
pretty apparent the announcers not familiar with the team
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
So so incredibly bad
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Bob Mackillop coming in with an intelligent and unexpected game plan early, attacking inside. Defense playing a classic 2-3 defense, we really need to find the high post and work inside out to get some open jumpers.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Ugly start to this game but I do like watching McKillop coach. He is one of my favorites.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
URI’s offensive sets don’t create open shots. That is a big problem. Shooting 2-14 and 0 from three of course.
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Tate scores and then makes a nice defensive stop so they immediately take him out for Preston...
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Unbelievable. Langevine gets hacked no call. Davidson gets a call with no contact
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
We need someone who can shoot the ball in this game...
Anybody
Anybody
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Re: 2/6 | Davidson | 7:00PM (ESPNU)
Whole team was playing crappy including Harris.
So here comes Thompson for Harris after just 3.5 minutes:
Pritchett at 6,6” 225 lbs backs Thompson down low and easily scores
Then Thompson misses a 3
Then Pritchett hits a 3 over Thompson.
So score is 1-6 when Thompson comes in then 1-11 after a couple of minutes.
Cox gets mad and frustrated with Harris but never with Thompson
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