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Tyson, Cat, & Odom team...no contest. You have 3 NBA guys on that squad. Too bad Odom got himself in trouble or Rhody could've had a shot at the NCAA title.

Did someone just pick a Dowtin over Tyson in a head to head. As they say on Sunday Countdown, c’mon man. I love me some Jefe, but Tyson was special. One of the best we ever had.

theblueram wrote:

RhodyRam86 wrote:Seeing the '98 video reminds me of how good you have to be to go that far. As constituted, our current team would be no match for the '98 team.

Picking the best teams from different eras by coach is a fun, but also futile exercise. Too many moving parts.

I look forward to the debates of picking a URI hall of fame starting 5 from the modern era.

Our current team plays much harder defense which is a major plus. Especially on the perimeter. They are a step behind offensively though. Perhaps it balances out? Not sure, but we will find out in March. I think the current team can match 98. We shall see.

agree about defense blueram. but that team was much stronger down low with ARD and Clay over Stan and Andre. I love JT, but would take Tyson and Cat over JT and Dowtin. Give EC the edge over King. Really not fair of me to compare the two teams yet. Time will tell. I'll be very happy to be wrong about this.

bigappleram wrote:Did someone just pick a Dowtin over Tyson in a head to head. As they say on Sunday Countdown, c’mon man. I love me some Jefe, but Tyson was special. One of the best we ever had.

I laughed at that too, but I think he was comparing Dowtin to Tyson as a sophomore. I would describe Tyson as a magician with the ball. I would describe Jeff as steady and then some.

Watching that 98’ video “literally” made me pumped out of my mind.

I picked the harrick era also Tyson Cat and Odom that's a lot of talent there 2 guys who played in NBA over 10 years

Great thread love revisiting all the talented players and teams over the last 30 years

Silk and Tyson my 2 favorite point guards loved them both so hard to pick one over the other

bigappleram wrote:Did someone just pick a Dowtin over Tyson in a head to head. As they say on Sunday Countdown, c’mon man. I love me some Jefe, but Tyson was special. One of the best we ever had.

Tyson was a great player (and a better player if I’m starting from scratch) but he’s the type of guard this team has success containing. If I’m picking an all star team, I’ve got enough scorers. I’m looking for other attributes like Dowtin’s length on defense. Plus, hopefully by time Dowtin graduates, he will be one of the best we ever had as well.

If Tyson would have been 6'3", he would have been an NBA all-star.

It sucks theres not more video of the 98 team floating around. Would be awesome to rewatch some of those tournament games

wpbrown8267 wrote:

wpbrown8267 wrote:I started getting really involved with Rhody in the 1991-92 season when they made a lil run in the NIT w/Jeff Kent, Andre Samuel, Abdul Fox, etc. My folks had season tix from that season till the middle of the Baron yrs (2007)

Talent wise I'm not gonna have Skinner's era/teams as my pick, but one of my best memories is having friends over to watch the 1993 1st round game vs Purdue and Al basically making everyone else besides "Big Dog" Glenn Robinson beat us

Gonna have to go with the Harrick teams - Wheeler, Cat, Odom, ARD, Clay w/Murphy on bench in a close game vs Hurley - Dowtin, Terrell, EC, Hass, Iverson w/X off the bench

I also wanted to add, imagine being able to use these teams or the top players from each era in NBA Jam! that would be awesome!

My college roommates and I used to love playing college hoops 2k series. I miss the college basketball video games. That was an unfortunate loss from the likeness lawsuit.

RhodyRam86 wrote:

bigappleram wrote:Did someone just pick a Dowtin over Tyson in a head to head. As they say on Sunday Countdown, c’mon man. I love me some Jefe, but Tyson was special. One of the best we ever had.

I laughed at that too, but I think he was comparing Dowtin to Tyson as a sophomore. I would describe Tyson as a magician with the ball. I would describe Jeff as steady and then some.

kinda out there even just soph vs soph.

Wheeler went for 16.5/6.0 as a sophomore, Jefe is at 8.8/5.4

Love Jefe, but he's not on Tyson's level and thats no insult to him...

rhodysurf wrote:It sucks theres not more video of the 98 team floating around. Would be awesome to rewatch some of those tournament games

The final minute or so of the Stanford game is on YouTube, but I don't think we want to see that.

Tyson literally toyed with opposing point guards. what a pleasure to watch...

rhodysurf wrote:It sucks theres not more video of the 98 team floating around. Would be awesome to rewatch some of those tournament games

Sure there is, thanks to the generosity of this community about 10 or so years ago when they all shared their best VHS tapes and I archived them onto DVD. Many Many DVDs were made for fans so these games are around.

It is still possible to get DVDs of Rhody's best games going back to the 88 Run past Syracuse. Newer KeaneyBlue fans probably have no idea about these DVDs.

Here is my URI Hoops DVD Master List (each line is ONE DVD, commercials edited out [unless they're awesome old-school ones], menus added, etc etc)

URI DVD Master List

1987 URI vs PC @ Civic Center & 1988 vs #5 Temple @ Keaney

1988 A10 Final: URI vs Temple & 1997 vs Temple @ Keaney

1998 NCAAs: Murray St/Kansas

1998 NCAAs: Valpo/Stanford

1988 NCAAs: Missouri/Syracuse

1993 NCAAs Purdue/UNC

1993 URI vs UMass @ Civic Center

1999 A10 Tourney: GW/Temple

Season Highlights: 1992, 1998, 1999

2002 URI vs USC (Ryan Center Opener) & 2003 URI vs Seton Hall (NIT)

URI vs PC: 2003 & 2005 from the Ryan Center

URI vs. St. Joes at the Ryan Center in 2003

URI vs. UMass at the Ryan Center 2006 (last minute buzzer beater)

2007 URI @ Fordham & URI vs St Louis

2007 URI @ Joe's & UMass vs URI (Pink Out)

2007 A10 Tournament: Fordham and Xavier

2007 A10 Tournament: Championship - URI vs GW

URI vs PC: 2007 from the Ryan Center

2007 URI @ Syracuse

2008 vs Dayton and vs #10 Xavier plus Road to Post Season

2008 @ Duke and vs. VCU

2009 URI vs SLU and vs Dayton + ESPN Highlights

2009 URI vs Providence

2009 URI @ Boston College

2009 URI vs Oklahoma State from Mohegan Sun

2010 URI vs North Carolina NIT Semifinals from MSG

ATPTourFan wrote:

rhodysurf wrote:It sucks theres not more video of the 98 team floating around. Would be awesome to rewatch some of those tournament games

Sure there is, thanks to the generosity of this community about 10 or so years ago when they all shared their best VHS tapes and I archived them onto DVD. Many Many DVDs were made for fans so these games are around.

It is still possible to get DVDs of Rhody's best games going back to the 88 Run past Syracuse. Newer KeaneyBlue fans probably have no idea about these DVDs.

Here is my URI Hoops DVD Master List (each line is ONE DVD, commercials edited out [unless they're awesome old-school ones], menus added, etc etc)

URI DVD Master List

1987 URI vs PC @ Civic Center & 1988 vs #5 Temple @ Keaney

1988 A10 Final: URI vs Temple & 1997 vs Temple @ Keaney

1998 NCAAs: Murray St/Kansas

1998 NCAAs: Valpo/Stanford

1988 NCAAs: Missouri/Syracuse

1993 NCAAs Purdue/UNC

1993 URI vs UMass @ Civic Center

1999 A10 Tourney: GW/Temple

Season Highlights: 1992, 1998, 1999

2002 URI vs USC (Ryan Center Opener) & 2003 URI vs Seton Hall (NIT)

URI vs PC: 2003 & 2005 from the Ryan Center

URI vs. St. Joes at the Ryan Center in 2003

URI vs. UMass at the Ryan Center 2006 (last minute buzzer beater)

2007 URI @ Fordham & URI vs St Louis

2007 URI @ Joe's & UMass vs URI (Pink Out)

2007 A10 Tournament: Fordham and Xavier

2007 A10 Tournament: Championship - URI vs GW

URI vs PC: 2007 from the Ryan Center

2007 URI @ Syracuse

2008 vs Dayton and vs #10 Xavier plus Road to Post Season

2008 @ Duke and vs. VCU

2009 URI vs SLU and vs Dayton + ESPN Highlights

2009 URI vs Providence

2009 URI @ Boston College

2009 URI vs Oklahoma State from Mohegan Sun

2010 URI vs North Carolina NIT Semifinals from MSG

hahaha, memories of looking like a drug deal handing cash to a car in the Ryan parking lot.

Here is a real nice clip of the 99 team. Still can’t imagine seeing Odom on that 98 team. Would have been unreal.

ATPTourFan wrote:

rhodysurf wrote:It sucks theres not more video of the 98 team floating around. Would be awesome to rewatch some of those tournament games

Sure there is, thanks to the generosity of this community about 10 or so years ago when they all shared their best VHS tapes and I archived them onto DVD. Many Many DVDs were made for fans so these games are around.

It is still possible to get DVDs of Rhody's best games going back to the 88 Run past Syracuse. Newer KeaneyBlue fans probably have no idea about these DVDs.

Here is my URI Hoops DVD Master List (each line is ONE DVD, commercials edited out [unless they're awesome old-school ones], menus added, etc etc)

URI DVD Master List

1987 URI vs PC @ Civic Center & 1988 vs #5 Temple @ Keaney

1988 A10 Final: URI vs Temple & 1997 vs Temple @ Keaney

1998 NCAAs: Murray St/Kansas

1998 NCAAs: Valpo/Stanford

1988 NCAAs: Missouri/Syracuse

1993 NCAAs Purdue/UNC

1993 URI vs UMass @ Civic Center

1999 A10 Tourney: GW/Temple

Season Highlights: 1992, 1998, 1999

2002 URI vs USC (Ryan Center Opener) & 2003 URI vs Seton Hall (NIT)

URI vs PC: 2003 & 2005 from the Ryan Center

URI vs. St. Joes at the Ryan Center in 2003

URI vs. UMass at the Ryan Center 2006 (last minute buzzer beater)

2007 URI @ Fordham & URI vs St Louis

2007 URI @ Joe's & UMass vs URI (Pink Out)

2007 A10 Tournament: Fordham and Xavier

2007 A10 Tournament: Championship - URI vs GW

URI vs PC: 2007 from the Ryan Center

2007 URI @ Syracuse

2008 vs Dayton and vs #10 Xavier plus Road to Post Season

2008 @ Duke and vs. VCU

2009 URI vs SLU and vs Dayton + ESPN Highlights

2009 URI vs Providence

2009 URI @ Boston College

2009 URI vs Oklahoma State from Mohegan Sun

2010 URI vs North Carolina NIT Semifinals from MSG

ATP I was going to say the same thing. I still have all my VHS copies as well for all the old guys who still have VCR's. it would be good to have a site set up for the younger fans to watch the old teams. Esp. 1988 team who basically played with 5 guys and a 6th man who had bum knees.

Maybe our friend RhodySurf who posts the streamed games to YouTube could transfer the best DVD games unlisted to that account.

I can't find any film of '78. I don't imagine anyone has anything from that year?

ATPTourFan wrote:Maybe our friend RhodySurf who posts the streamed games to YouTube could transfer the best DVD games unlisted to that account.

Oh WOW thats awesome you have all of those... Yeah I would love to do that... I want that channel to have an archive of as many games I can.

Now I remember why I love Andre Berry so much.

Because I LOVED ED BROWN.

I'll never forget when he was diving for a loose ball and took out Harrick and 2/3 of the URI bench. What a boss.

Blue Man wrote:Now I remember why I love Andre Berry so much.

Because I LOVED ED BROWN.

I'll never forget when he was diving for a loose ball and took out Harrick and 2/3 of the URI bench. What a boss.

Definitely has those same soft hands.

rhodysurf wrote:

ATPTourFan wrote:Maybe our friend RhodySurf who posts the streamed games to YouTube could transfer the best DVD games unlisted to that account.

Oh WOW thats awesome you have all of those... Yeah I would love to do that... I want that channel to have an archive of as many games I can.

rhodysurf do you have a link to your list of youtube links? Is it a channel we can follow?

Rhody Streams YouTube Channel

Some of the games available are not listed publicly on the channel, but they have been posted in game threads here on KeaneyBlue, seemingly to keep low profile.

ATPTourFan wrote:Rhody Streams YouTube Channel

Sweet! Thanks!

ATPTourFan wrote:Rhody Streams YouTube Channel

Some of the games available are not listed publicly on the channel, but they have been posted in game threads here on KeaneyBlue, seemingly to keep low profile.

Yeah I can compile a list with the full list of links at some point. But I had copyright claims on Virginia game so I figured its safer to keep the big network games unlisted.

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:
kinda out there even just soph vs soph.

Wheeler went for 16.5/6.0 as a sophomore, Jefe is at 8.8/5.4

Love Jefe, but he's not on Tyson's level and thats no insult to him...

I think Wheeler is an all time URI great. I don’t think Dowtin is yet. That’s not my argument. My argument is a game against each other with great players around them, I’d take Dowtin over Wheeler (whether you consider them both sophomores or forecasting what Dowtin will be like by time he graduates).

Wheeler (as a SOPH) vs Dowtin

PPG
Wheeler 16.5
Dowtin 8.8

Assists
Wheeler 5.97
Dowtin 5.45

Turnovers
Dowtin 1.2
Wheeler 3.4

FG pct
Dowtin .431
Wheeler .406

3 Pt pct
Dowtin .379
Wheeler .371

Steals
Wheeler 1.59
Dowtin 0.8

Blocks
Dowtin 0.5
Wheeler 0.02

Rebounds
Dowtin 2.9
Wheeler 2.9

Career Conference wins
Dowtin 21 and counting
Wheeler 10

Conference championships
Dowtin 1 and counting
Wheeler 0

Just watched that 99 video posted above and brought back a lot of memories

What a dunking team with T Bell and Luther

The all around greatness of Lamar

The great careers of ARD and Murph

I just subscribed to the Rhody Streams you tube channel !!

Speaking of DVDs, could a fellow KeaneyBlue member locate a copy of the 1998 NCAA Tournament opening rounds DVD with the Kansas game? I can’t find my copy and RhodySurf would like to make it available on YouTube.

I must have distributed 50 or more copies of that disc around the Ryan Center years ago.

For obvious reasons I'll take the 1978 team over all of them. the difference being they were much tougher. The front line of Chatman, Stan Wright & Sly would not be out-rebounded by any team since. Jiggy was toughest point we've had. He could score when we needed it (especially his 1st 2 yrs) & run the show the rest of the time. Never came out of the game. If they had the 3 point shot back then Nelson would have been even more of a contributor on offense. Percy DAvis was a great 6th man. Jimmy Wright, Randy Wilds, & Phil Kydd also off the bench. Very deep & tough as nails.

I'd say a Jack Kraft all star team would be the best for Rhode Island. Sly Williams was the best player I ever saw in a URI uniform. Throw in Jiggy Williamson, the Wright's, Pappy Owens, Marc Upshaw, and a ton of role players like Phil Kydd, Roland Houston, John Nelson, etc., and you've got a nice group.

I still remember watching the '78 team play against Duke in the NCAA tournament, and the announcer taking before the game about Gene Banks being a defensive stopper for Duke. Sly then treated him like a CYO player, and if it wasn't for two questionable foul calls against him, he would have single handedly beaten them.

Bigsnoop wrote:I'd say a Jack Kraft all star team would be the best for Rhode Island. Sly Williams was the best player I ever saw in a URI uniform. Throw in Jiggy Williamson, the Wright's, Pappy Owens, Marc Upshaw, and a ton of role players like Phil Kydd, Roland Houston, John Nelson, etc., and you've got a nice group.

I still remember watching the '78 team play against Duke in the NCAA tournament, and the announcer taking before the game about Gene Banks being a defensive stopper for Duke. Sly then treated him like a CYO player, and if it wasn't for two questionable foul calls against him, he would have single handedly beaten them.

Yes, people forget that Sly fouled out of that game, after dominating with 27 points and 9 rebounds. Nobody could handle Sly...on any team.

Billyboy78 wrote:

Bigsnoop wrote:I'd say a Jack Kraft all star team would be the best for Rhode Island. Sly Williams was the best player I ever saw in a URI uniform. Throw in Jiggy Williamson, the Wright's, Pappy Owens, Marc Upshaw, and a ton of role players like Phil Kydd, Roland Houston, John Nelson, etc., and you've got a nice group.

I still remember watching the '78 team play against Duke in the NCAA tournament, and the announcer taking before the game about Gene Banks being a defensive stopper for Duke. Sly then treated him like a CYO player, and if it wasn't for two questionable foul calls against him, he would have single handedly beaten them.

Yes, people forget that Sly fouled out of that game, after dominating with 27 points and 9 rebounds. Nobody could handle Sly...on any team.

Here's the box.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/bo ... -duke.html

ATPTourFan wrote:Speaking of DVDs, could a fellow KeaneyBlue member locate a copy of the 1998 NCAA Tournament opening rounds DVD with the Kansas game? I can’t find my copy and RhodySurf would like to make it available on YouTube.

I must have distributed 50 or more copies of that disc around the Ryan Center years ago.

If you don't get it sooner I can loan mine at the next home game

ATPTourFan wrote:Speaking of DVDs, could a fellow KeaneyBlue member locate a copy of the 1998 NCAA Tournament opening rounds DVD with the Kansas game? I can’t find my copy and RhodySurf would like to make it available on YouTube.

I must have distributed 50 or more copies of that disc around the Ryan Center years ago.

I think I have it. ATP how can I get it to you? I’ll be at the Davidson and Dayton games.

RhowdyRam02 wrote:

ATPTourFan wrote:Speaking of DVDs, could a fellow KeaneyBlue member locate a copy of the 1998 NCAA Tournament opening rounds DVD with the Kansas game? I can’t find my copy and RhodySurf would like to make it available on YouTube.

I must have distributed 50 or more copies of that disc around the Ryan Center years ago.

If you don't get it sooner I can loan mine at the next home game

I have one as well.

Billyboy78 wrote:

Bigsnoop wrote:I'd say a Jack Kraft all star team would be the best for Rhode Island. Sly Williams was the best player I ever saw in a URI uniform. Throw in Jiggy Williamson, the Wright's, Pappy Owens, Marc Upshaw, and a ton of role players like Phil Kydd, Roland Houston, John Nelson, etc., and you've got a nice group.

I still remember watching the '78 team play against Duke in the NCAA tournament, and the announcer taking before the game about Gene Banks being a defensive stopper for Duke. Sly then treated him like a CYO player, and if it wasn't for two questionable foul calls against him, he would have single handedly beaten them.

Yes, people forget that Sly fouled out of that game, after dominating with 27 points and 9 rebounds. Nobody could handle Sly...on any team.

I was a teenager then, but if I remember correctly, Jiggy Williamson was the only other Rhody player who could hit shots that day. I remember because I always liked the way Jiggy played (and his brother was one of my favorite pro players).

theblueram wrote:I have one as well.

OK, that's good news. As we approach the next home game, I'll reach out to you guys to see if we can arrange to exchange it. Then I will get it to RhodySurf so he can share on YouTube.

As this team keeps going it is possible that this "contest" becomes "No contest"

Update on getting URI DVDs onto YouTube: RhodySurf is now in possession of all the DVDs (Except the NCAA Kansas one) and will work on getting the best of the games online.

Great job ATP and RhodySurf

There cannot be a better Message Board in College Basketball!!

And it keeps getting better

A related question to this would be who are the Most Valuable Coaches in the long history of URI basketball? In my thoughts, it's not just who won the most, but who had the most long-lasting impact on the program? Here's my list
1. Frank Keaney, the guy who started it all and put Rhode Island on the basketball map.
2. Jack Kraft, the first nationally known coach to come to URI and prove that you can get top recruits to come to Kingston.
3. Jim Harrick, similar to Kraft, and I thought about placing him second because his short tenure led to the building of the Ryan Center. However, despite his success, he left a stink that took the mediocre Jim Baron to get rid of.
Tied for 4th - Tom Penders and Al Skinner. Both proved that you could win here, even with the shortage of resources.
Tied for 6th - Everyone else, save one.
Last - Jerry Duh.

I didn't include Dan because his tenure hasn't ended here (yet). Given the state of the program when he arrived and the work he's done to change the culture and improve the program's infrastructure, I think he's worthy of #3 at minimum. If he, indeed, turns us into the Gonzaga of the East, including regular NCAA invites and making the Final Four in this or future years, he might even surpass Keaney in my eyes.

Looking at that 78 box score we lost that game at the line shot 4-11 and they shot 11-16 ??

reef wrote:Looking at that 78 box score we lost that game at the line shot 4-11 and they shot 11-16 ??

And Sly fouled out, and two of our other starters had 4 fouls. Duke didn't have anyone with more than 3. And we still should have won.

Iggy1979 wrote:The etc. on the Penders team is Tommy Garrick. Pretty good etc.

no kidding, not to mention John Evans, who in my opinion, is as good as anyone on the current team. That team would just be lacking in depth as it is essentially the 1988 team.

An all star team of players coached by Al Skinner would probably take it in my opinion. (hands down if you count his assistant coaching years which adds Silk and Tommy) I think Jack Kraft era is probably a close second.