Jordan Hare's Roster Status: Back Out Again

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 10 years ago

I hope he stays. He wasn't a world beater last year, but he gave some quality minutes and I am sure the rest of the team is v comfortable with him.

Team chemistry is very important. Not everyone can be Lamar Odom and Luther Clay, you need some Josh King's and David Arigbabu's in the mix as well to get things to gel.

Smokinjimit · Unread post by **Smokinjimit** » 10 years ago

Most important is family, I don't think anyone will disagree. But..

This would be a HUGE loss to the program.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 10 years ago

In other words, you can eat all the surf n turf you want, but it's going to take that fiber drink to get it to all go down the pipe.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Hare's loss would be the difference between the NIT and NCAA this year.

Of course, last year I wouldn't have said that, but he's improved so much that it could mean a 3-4 game difference in our final record this year. You can't teach size. He's got that, plus much more offensive capability. And his defense, which might be even more important.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 10 years ago

This will be a bad loss for the team. It is also very strange. Hare goes on a once in lifetime basketball trip to Italy where one major benefit is to get team bonding. He returns from that trip and his twitter account goes dormant.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 10 years ago

I hope he stays. Perhaps Preston was sent on a mission to convince him to return. Hare was his recruit after all.

If Preston can do that, major credit to him. Sometimes when a young man gets it in his head that there are no options, even if there really are, that can be a very difficult thing to sway him to change his mind.

In a way, Preston has to do everything he can to get him to return, if possible, because he is in various stages of getting other players to come here to Rhode Island from the same region.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Difficult to balance the immediate needs of family vs long term needs. I wouldn't want to be in Jordan's position right now.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

Short term it's difficult to be away from family, but long term he gets a college degree and a professional basketball contract that will help him take care of his family.

Keaney.Blue · Unread post by **Keaney.Blue** » 10 years ago

Why is everyone assuming this is about his child and family?

Miramfan · Unread post by **Miramfan** » 10 years ago

jcru wrote:I hope he stays. Perhaps Preston was sent on a mission to convince him to return. Hare was his recruit after all.

If Preston can do that, major credit to him. Sometimes when a young man gets it in his head that there are no options, even if there really are, that can be a very difficult thing to sway him to change his mind.

In a way, Preston has to do everything he can to get him to return, if possible, because he is in various stages of getting other players to come here to Rhode Island from the same region.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Keaney.Blue wrote:Why is everyone assuming this is about his child and family?

Oy, something else then? I realize you won't spill what you know, but I assume it's not child/family related if you posted that.

Miramfan · Unread post by **Miramfan** » 10 years ago

Having some trouble trying to post this from my cell. Preston is in Michigan because his step father, Ollie Barry, died.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Thanks, Miramfan. Very sad news for Preston.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

"Why is everyone assuming this is about his child and family?"
Because that was his problem all last season, and it hasn't gone away.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

Thoughts and prayers to Preston and his family.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Unless Keaney.Blue is intentionally trying to get us off the scent here, I'd trust his info.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

What info? He asked a question.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 10 years ago

J Hare is my guy, hope he gets his situation resolved!

I would say that chasing dreams and the kind of opportunities available to him take some sacrifice.

He should just bust his butt here, become a pro and take care of his family.

Obviously he can transfer home, but personally I would take this season and attempt to run with it. It is about to start so it is an immediate op.

If he leaves now, he is looking at next season. He could always transfer next year and get a hardship.

Goodluck! JH!

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

IF Hare does in fact leave at some point, I will truly begin to believe in the keaneyblue.com header jinx. Every guy I put in there ends up leaving the school. I believe it started with Akeem, then Jamal, then Billy and then Holton.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 10 years ago

Wait, it's clear that he's not going to be part of the team? Did I miss something?

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

Well damn, that sucks.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Just got back from Alpine. Talked to a few people who should know something, but nothing definite. What I do know, though, is Hare is still enrolled in school, and there is optimism that he will return. When, though, is the question. Could be 2nd semester.

Got to meet quite a few players tonight. Also, Joe F., Carl K, Dan of course, Coachs Tirone and Murray, and Thorr and Dooley. Good time.

CT Rhody · Unread post by **CT Rhody** » 10 years ago

Rambone, thanks for the info and hope your right, top 100 6-10 shot blockers don't grow on trees at URI.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Yeah, ATP, it looks like it's not a done deal that he's gone, but that he might [or hopefully should] be back at some point. I guess he just needs more time to straighten out his family life, or so it seems.

It does seem like Dan and staff are preparing for the start of the season without him. If/when he comes back, it will be a bonus for sure.

I will say this, though. Not having Hare against Arizona will not help, for sure.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

No optimism. No hedging. Now he's an APR problem.
Heard Hare was getting "his ass kicked, every day in practice" by Oneykaba.
Oneykaba was described as a 255lb. guy who never stops.
Hare's talent was a "projection" and it wasn't sure if he'd ever grow into that projection.
.

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

Retract my Post!

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:From the horse's mouth, he's gone.

You mean Dan himself?

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

Concerning APR- I wonder if there is an URI process where a student can withdraw at this time without grades if there is a real reason; or is it an incomplete that will turn into a F at the end of the semester?

CT Rhody · Unread post by **CT Rhody** » 10 years ago

Hare still could of been a valuable asset for the team. The front court is extremely short now which is prob why Dan alluded to playing Reischel at the 4 sometimes.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 10 years ago

Rod, if I recall correctly, you weren't high on Hare much of last season and said he couldn't maintain his post position among other defects.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

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15 Year Lurker · Unread post by **15 Year Lurker** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:From the horse's mouth, he's gone. No optimism. No hedging. Now he's an APR problem.
Heard Hare was getting "his ass kicked, every day in practice" by Oneykaba.
Oneykaba was described as a 255lb. guy who never stops.
Hare's talent was a "projection" and it wasn't sure if he'd ever grow into that projection.
Clearly staff didn't see him as some here do, especially in the rebounding area.

Too bad if he is gone but Aaman was even clearly a better player than him last year so this wouldnt surprise me. I have no idea the situation but you would have to think having a scholarship to a good D1 school and being one step beneath a possible NBA spot (you never know) would be something you would not want to walk away from and would figure out a way to make it work. You only get so many opportunities. Oh well hope it works out for him but i dont think we will be that hurt from this.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Lurker, this stuff happens every day. There is a record number of transfers
every year. Probably breaks another record this year.
Hurley runs a tough regime. Not everyone is up to being a Marine.
Munford and Biruta knew what they were getting into, because they played for Huirley
in high school.
Hare was recruited for a Jim Baron coached team. Big difference.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 10 years ago

I hate it when the "horse's mouth" puts down a player once he's gone.
Maybe I'm putting two separate conversations together unfairly.
Jordan worked hard while he was here and deserves are respect for that.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Apparently "working hard" was not one of Hare's strong points.
NOT from the horses mouth, but one shared by a number of people I spoke
to who are close to the program.
I heard no opinions that were any different than I'd heard last year.

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 10 years ago

That's too bad. From all the hype, I really thought Hare had turned a corner. If he's got an attitude, it's probably best that he leave, though I understand the concern about the APR.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 10 years ago

If true, this makes me sad. I always enjoyed watching Jordan, wish him the best of luck with his family situation, and hope that he can return (though that doesn't seem likely from what others here have heard).

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 10 years ago

I wish him well. He was recruited for a baron coached team that is true

Let's not have it become a distraction. Come out strong.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I'd rather have him gone now, than in season.
That would be a greater distraction.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I'd rather have him gone now, than in season.
That would be a greater distraction.

Unfortunate.

Agree tho better now than later.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 10 years ago

Oh well, I had high hopes for him. Good luck to him wherever he goes. Seems like our ex players are having some success with Akeem basically being one of the top 3 shooters in the country now.

I don't like to bash guys on the way out. Perception and rumor is not always reality.

Hopefully DH delivers and we are better than Baron's best years.

To be frank, there are 68 teams invited to the dance? I believe it is 68 and if your not one of them? then you suck.

I am sick of sucking. I remember glory days of dancing, which is why I am a fan and on this board.

I would say it doesn't take much to be 1/68

Actually, we all really just want to be 1/75 or 1/80 this year. Let us be in the conversation for the dance and on the bubble.

Please destroy Brown and beat PC. That should be enough.

Also to say that we can't expect much out of this year... We have the top returning scorer in the A10, in his last year, combined with the rest of the guys and their respective talents and accolades. I think it is fair to expect a good product.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

The info I got last night wasn't from Dan.

So, I guess he's gone. Just hope they can work something out with the APR.

Hare might have been a problem, but 27 and 10 in his last game in Italy? His loss will still be felt depth wise.

At least all those who are left are either Dan's guys now, or like TJ and Powell, willing to work their asses off to be successful.

Maybe it's for the best after all.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Don't let numbers from an exhibition game in Italy against
questionable competition be a benchmark for anyone's potential.
I have to admit, I too, was very encouraged by what I saw as his
work on his offense.
Obviously he's a loss to the team, in terms of schemes and numbers.
Like Billy's departure, it comes at a time when he can't be replaced.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

It definitely took less time than I expected for this board to the "He wasn't any good, anyway" and "he was an academic liability" portion of our program. Aaman was better? I have my doubts that Oneykaba was beating him up in practice. Maybe he was but the last organized game played by URI he went 27 points, 10 boards. What exactly does that tell you? Boy, if you can loaf around and get that, god bless him.
I don't know the particulars, at all. But, I do know this hurts the team. Plain and simple. Can't replace that length and upside.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Oh, and Oneykaba got 12 rebounds and 10 points vs. Manhattan,
in a scrimmage against a real D-1 opponent.
Upside is a fantasy in many cases. It's what you think a player can be, not what he will be.
Aaman is a worker, a grinder, and a kid with some actual low post moves. Plus, he
has fire.
I'll take than over an underachiever any day.

BFC · Unread post by **BFC** » 10 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:Seems like our ex players are having some success with Akeem basically being one of the top 3 shooters in the country now.

Did you mean county?

Keaney.Blue · Unread post by **Keaney.Blue** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Oh, and Oneykaba got 12 rebounds and 10 points vs. Manhattan,
in a scrimmage against a real D-1 opponent.
Upside is a fantasy in many cases. It's what you think a player can be, not what he will be.
Aaman is a worker, a grinder, and a kid with some actual low post moves. Plus, he
has fire.
I'll take than over an underachiever any day.

Rod I find it hard to believe anyone would pick Aaman over Hare. We as fans instinctively start looking to the bad sides of players once they leave and start hyping up our guys (Aaman and Iffy).Yes Aaman is a hard worker but his ceiling is so much lower than Hare's. Even without work ethic, Hare can be a better player long term than Mike. Length, athleticism, feel for the game are all superior. Mike will be a great asset for us as a roleplayer, but he'll never reach the potential Jordan has.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Rod, what other info did you get on that scrimmage? I know Dan briefly touched on it during the radio show, but unless you were at the bar where the speakers were, you couldn't hear much from the podium during the show. Everybody was yakking it up too much!

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Biruta and Munford didn't play.
Manhattan played zone after agreeing to play man to man.
We played man to man. Dan said it was like playing a conference game.
Dan loves what Martin is bringing to the team.
As for our team, I want the guys who want to be here.
Potential means nothing, if the player isn't motivated.

"An acre of performance is worth a whole world of promise." - Red Auerbach. Red Auerbach is one of the most famous coaches from the early days of the NBA, coaching the Boston Celtics. He let it be known with this quote that he did not care about potential, he was after results on the court.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 10 years ago

Gonebarongone wrote:It definitely took less time than I expected for this board to the "He wasn't any good, anyway" and "he was an academic liability" portion of our program.

I don't disagree with the first point, but the APR point is that his leaving would hurt, not that he is or was an academic problem. Regardless, the situation was a distraction.