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Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

This could be in the transfer carousel thread, but putting here because I think the reporting on what goes on with recruiting behind the scenes after a coaching change is interesting and, unfortunately, relevant for us.

https://theathletic.com/296481/2018/04/ ... or-purdue/

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

Wonder what this means for PMurph. Was hoping he would get bumped up a chair, but maybe not now.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:

Wonder what this means for PMurph. Was hoping he would get bumped up a chair, but maybe not now.

cracks open the door for a Kingston return.

tin foil theory...it's pre-emptive because Creighton knows Cox is gonna be HC here and hire Preston back to be assoc HC...haha

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:

Interesting -- going from one MAAC school to another. OTOH, Poughkeepsie is a step up from Jersey City.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 6 years ago

Ask yourself why he isn't getting moved up

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

2 reasons....either he's isn't AHC material for Creighton...or he's on his way here.

Shaolin Swat · Unread post by **Shaolin Swat** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:2 reasons....either he's isn't AHC material for Creighton...or he's on his way here.

Or on his way to another HC job

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 6 years ago

Shaolin Swat wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:2 reasons....either he's isn't AHC material for Creighton...or he's on his way here.
Or on his way to another HC job

Detroit is open I think. That’d make a lot of sense for Preston as an entry level head coaching gig on his home turf.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 6 years ago

DC_Rams · Unread post by **DC_Rams** » 6 years ago

giovanni · Unread post by **giovanni** » 6 years ago

Rhody74 · Unread post by **Rhody74** » 6 years ago

The plot thickens

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

We'll know about that one and ours tomorrow.

Guess you can't believe everything you hear....guess Dooley did interview and is waiting for a decision just like we are.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 6 years ago

If URI decided they did want Cox, is it a slam-dunk they'd agree on terms right away? years/$$? There's been a wide range of speculation here on this forum about what he should get...what if URI is offering the low end of that and he wants the high end? Is it automatic that they agree?

Any chance at all that's related to the JDooley Euro-step with ECU?

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote:If URI decided they did want Cox, is it a slam-dunk they'd agree on terms right away? years/$$? There's been a wide range of speculation here on this forum about what he should get...what if URI is offering the low end of that and he wants the high end? Is it automatic that they agree?

Any chance at all that's related to the JDooley Euro-step with ECU?

No, zero chance Cox would do this.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

They might be working on that as we speak....or they might not.

That is an interesting take on the subject, one that hasn't been discussed here....could there be a hold up on terms of the contract?

I doubt it...but it's possible.

DC_Rams · Unread post by **DC_Rams** » 6 years ago

http://www.witn.com/content/sports/ECU- ... 76543.html

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 6 years ago

This was last updated before Rothstein's tweet.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 6 years ago

Dooley coached at ECU from 1991-1999 and was the head coach of the Pirates starting in 1995. His .523 winning percentage is the highest in ECU's Division 1 history.

That doesn't seem like a record worth touting.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

Dre3000 wrote:
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:If URI decided they did want Cox, is it a slam-dunk they'd agree on terms right away? years/$$? There's been a wide range of speculation here on this forum about what he should get...what if URI is offering the low end of that and he wants the high end? Is it automatic that they agree?

Any chance at all that's related to the JDooley Euro-step with ECU?
No, zero chance Cox would do this.

Not only that, but (1) the agents know the market and so does Thorr - posters here don’t; there’s not going to be a huge range for disagreement, and (2) I’m sure salary demands and expectations have been known on both sides for a while, at the very least during this process if not before.

I think the Dooley thing has nothing to do with URI. That’s between him and ECU.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 6 years ago

I think it would be similar to DH's first contract.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:
Dre3000 wrote:
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:If URI decided they did want Cox, is it a slam-dunk they'd agree on terms right away? years/$$? There's been a wide range of speculation here on this forum about what he should get...what if URI is offering the low end of that and he wants the high end? Is it automatic that they agree?

Any chance at all that's related to the JDooley Euro-step with ECU?
No, zero chance Cox would do this.
Not only that, but (1) the agents know the market and so does Thorr - posters here don’t; there’s not going to be a huge range for disagreement, and (2) I’m sure salary demands and expectations have been known on both sides for a while, at the very least during this process if not before.

I think the Dooley thing has nothing to do with URI. That’s between him and ECU.

Yeah, to add to number 2, I don't think these things are treated like a normal job process. ADs talk to agents and I think both sides have an idea of general contract terms before even agreeing to an interview.

DC_Rams · Unread post by **DC_Rams** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

I think that leaves one more assistant to be hired.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 6 years ago

legit question: is there an NCAA limit as to how many assistant coaches you can have?

Well all know money is no issue at UConn

RamIt! · Unread post by **RamIt!** » 6 years ago

theblueram wrote:Dooley coached at ECU from 1991-1999 and was the head coach of the Pirates starting in 1995. His .523 winning percentage is the highest in ECU's Division 1 history.

That doesn't seem like a record worth touting.

Hurley’s was .579 at URI... what should be considered is whether that win percentage rose over the years...

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

jcru wrote:legit question: is there an NCAA limit as to how many assistant coaches you can have?

Well all know money is no issue at UConn

3, but you can have a large staff made up of creative titles (special assistant to the coach, director of player development etc). But in order to be on the court coaching as well as on the road recruiting you must be a coach.

For now, there's still a spot for Cox, Boswell, and TJ if Thorr goes on another direction. If he hires another coach, that changes.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 6 years ago

RamIt! wrote:
theblueram wrote:Dooley coached at ECU from 1991-1999 and was the head coach of the Pirates starting in 1995. His .523 winning percentage is the highest in ECU's Division 1 history.

That doesn't seem like a record worth touting.

Hurley’s was .579 at URI... what should be considered is whether that win percentage rose over the years...

Dooley was the assistant coach for 4 years prior to taking over. I'm just guessing he was recruiting during those years. DH came into a bare cupboard which the first year disaster skewed his numbers. I mean ECU basketball just sent a Tweet about winning the CIT 5 years ago.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 6 years ago

Thanks for the explanation, Dre

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 6 years ago

RamIt! wrote:
theblueram wrote:Dooley coached at ECU from 1991-1999 and was the head coach of the Pirates starting in 1995. His .523 winning percentage is the highest in ECU's Division 1 history.

That doesn't seem like a record worth touting.

Hurley’s was .579 at URI... what should be considered is whether that win percentage rose over the years...

OK, I looked it up. Dooley during his 4 years at ECU went 17-11, 17-10, 10-17, and 13-14. There.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

The thought that almost our entire staff and roster including recruits could go to UConn is sickening.

I just don't think Thorr will let that happen.

Dooley's resume has a lot more experience...so what....it's not that impressive imo. He's done OK at FGCU though. He would have more to work with in terms of resources here at least.

He's also 52....not exactly a young rising star.....Cox could be that guy.

DC_Rams · Unread post by **DC_Rams** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:The thought that almost our entire staff and roster including recruits could go to UConn is sickening.

I just don't think Thorr will let that happen.

Dooley's resume has a lot more experience...so what....it's not that impressive imo. He's done OK at FGCU though. He would have more to work with in terms of resources here at least.

He's also 52....not exactly a young rising star.....Cox could be that guy.

I think Dooley is going to ECU. That news broke today for a reason, no real back tracking.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 6 years ago

Oats was the only real other candidate of the "rising" variety that I could wrap head around. Risk/reward on all others tilts in Cox's favor, to varying degrees.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

Well Rothstein said nothing was finalized....but that could just be the devil in the details.

Yeah BAR, not quite sure why he wasn't on the list.

Matunuck · Unread post by **Matunuck** » 6 years ago

bigappleram wrote:Oats was the only real other candidate of the "rising" variety that I could wrap head around. Risk/reward on all others tilts in Cox's favor, to varying degrees.

I agree. I thought and said it was going to be Cox, as soon as I heard Hurls was gone. Oats was interesting, but I always liked Cox better.

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 6 years ago

Oats is a year away, has a great team coming back. He’ll cash in huge next year.

Might have said no thanks to interviewing here.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 6 years ago

DC_Rams wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:The thought that almost our entire staff and roster including recruits could go to UConn is sickening.

I just don't think Thorr will let that happen.

Dooley's resume has a lot more experience...so what....it's not that impressive imo. He's done OK at FGCU though. He would have more to work with in terms of resources here at least.

He's also 52....not exactly a young rising star.....Cox could be that guy.
I think Dooley is going to ECU. That news broke today for a reason, no real back tracking.

Now that is Baron 2.0. Wonder what the fans think?

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 6 years ago

theblueram wrote:Dooley coached at ECU from 1991-1999 and was the head coach of the Pirates starting in 1995. His .523 winning percentage is the highest in ECU's Division 1 history.

That doesn't seem like a record worth touting.

The AAC. Catch the fever.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

hrstrat57 wrote:Oats is a year away, has a great team coming back. He’ll cash in huge next year.

Might have said no thanks to interviewing here.

Maybe. I wonder if he'd also rather not follow Hurley's around his whole career. Not that I think that would be the ultimate deciding factor, but it is interesting.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 6 years ago

Good point.

Not to mention, he's probably hoping to parlay next season into a lot more interest in his services

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

He's probably looking for a P5 job. He'll get one if they do next season what they did this season.

PlayMikeMotenMore · Unread post by **PlayMikeMotenMore** » 6 years ago

Very interesting column on Temple and Fran Dunphy.
http://www.delcotimes.com/article/DC/20 ... /180409938

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

It would appear Dooley was waiting to see how the URI hiring played out. Probably not a coincidence that the ECU deal was finalized on the same morning he was told he was not the choice at Rhode Island.

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 6 years ago

Interesting article on the Fran Dunphy/Aaron Mckie story:

http://www.delcotimes.com/article/DC/20 ... /180409938

STC · Unread post by **STC** » 6 years ago

This isn’t exactly breaking news but still relevant...

Matunuck · Unread post by **Matunuck** » 6 years ago

Adams not coming here

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 6 years ago

Not quite coaching carousel related, but...

Siena's Jimmy Patsos under investigation - Allegations of verbal abuse by men's basketball coach draw scrutiny

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 806097.php

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 6 years ago

SmartyBarrett wrote:Not quite coaching carousel related, but...

Siena's Jimmy Patsos under investigation - Allegations of verbal abuse by men's basketball coach draw scrutiny

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 806097.php

Patsos has not been successful at Siena. I therefore can't help but feel that this may be an effort on the part of the school to get rid of him without paying his full buyout. Doesn't mean it may not be true but more often than not many schools keep these things quiet. With buyouts so large these days, it is however now getting very ugly with departures. Both Pitt and UConn got rid of their coaches with accusations/charges of just cause. They are playing hardball to reduce the buyouts. The courts may ultimately rule on the matter.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 6 years ago

RF1 wrote:
SmartyBarrett wrote:Not quite coaching carousel related, but...

Siena's Jimmy Patsos under investigation - Allegations of verbal abuse by men's basketball coach draw scrutiny

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 806097.php

Patsos has not been successful at Siena. I therefore can't help but feel that this may be an effort on the part of the school to get rid of him without paying his full buyout. Doesn't mean it may not be true but more often than not many schools keep these things quiet. With buyouts so large these days, it is however now getting very ugly with departures. Both Pitt and UConn got rid of their coaches with accusations/charges of just cause. They are playing hardball to reduce the buyouts. The courts may ultimately rule on the matter.

Yep, they're trying to do him like UConn did Ollie.