'14 WI PG - Jarvis Garrett (URI Signed LOI)

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 10 years ago

thx GBG, whether he is coming on late or not, EC and Hassan were significantly higher rated than this kid. Significantly. I can't imagine size is that big of a downer for a PG ranking, if the rest of the game is there. So expectations need to be tempered about how much he will contribute in Year 1. I definitely agree he is worth taking a shot on. 100%

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Dan just said he's see five and four stars, "who couldn't play a lick".
Wheeler wasn't rated coming out of high school.
Neither was Munford.

Bill Koch ‏@BillKoch25 29m
Hurley -- '(Recruiting ratings) help you form a list. I've seen 4-star, 5-star players who I didn't think could play a lick.' #URI #Rams
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Hurley -- 'This is a high level of basketball. You have to make sure you're getting talent that can excel at a very high level.' #URI #Rams

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

I've seen him once. That was enough for me. He's a true PG. He looks to get his teammates involved early. I think the two hand chest part is a lost art. It's one of his strengths. When the ball is swinging around the perimeter, the ball just zips out of his hands. I love that. The ball getting to the open man that split second early gets the wingmen wide open looks, possibly a small thing to point out, but an important one, in my opinion. He's a leader. It will be tough to be that right away as a freshman, but eventually, he'll be the leader of the team, just what you want out of a PG. Nice outside shot, defenders won't be able to lay off him, and his quickness will allow him to get into the lane because of that. The one thing he needs to work on is getting too deep into the lane and getting smothered by the bigs. He'll need to develop a floater from the middle of the lane. He works hard on defense too. I think he's a perfect fit and by his sophomore year, he'll make this a much better team. That being said, hopefully we get him.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

Wheeler was 20 years ago. There have probably been 10,000 unranked kids since then. He was the exception. Munford didn't even make an A-10 team last year. People view rankings as predictions when they should really look at it as likelihoods. The likelihood of a 5* making the NBA or 1st team all conference or whatever is more likely to happen than a 2*. A 5* can bust and a 2* can shine. But, would you rather take Garrett or the kid Mudiay who committed to SMU. We would all rather have Mudiay. The other thing that I think is just as important is offers. Bradley, Creighton, and LaSalle have offered. He's coming on strong at the end. What is my educated guess? His upside outpaces his rankings but we should all be very careful about thinking he will be starting next year. Point guard in college is tough enough.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I like the ratings as much as anyone, but as Bob Knight said,
how many of these so called "experts" have actually seen the players they're rating?
You're talking Coast to coast North to South.
Jim Boeheim has gone on record as saying McDonald's AA, mostly are overrated.
We've had two here. (maybe three, if Pappy Owens was one)
Luther Clay and Scott Hazelton. Nice players, both. However, did anyone seeing them play here
regard them as the Mount Everest type players their high rankings indicated?
No.
Look at old Street & Smith issues and tell me how many of the top rated guys you
even recognize as having good collegiate careers, let alone beyond.
Shea Cotton was rated number one or two to Lamar Odom in high school/prep.
He averaged 15 point or so in college, and vanished.
If I told you we were getting the number one or two ranked player in the US,
you'd faint with joy. Yet Cotton didn't put up the numbers of unranked guys like
Cat Mobley or Tommy Garrick, or make the NBA as they did.
Don't make the mistake of having these recruiting rating be your be all-end all.
They're subject to the same mistakes as any other predictors in any area.
They are not infallible.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

Hurley also pointed out last night that St. Louis and VCU built their programs on kids that weren't even in the top 200.
Jordair Jett was not heavily recruited and he destroyed URI.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

True, Rod.

No 17-18 year old is a finished product.

Some develop, some don't.

URI has almost always had to rely on kids getter substantially better during the course of their time here.

The "late bloomers".

It's nice though, to have 2 freshmen who are already pretty good here now. If they keep improving at the rate they are now, they could turn out to be among the best that ever played here.

Dan may have thought at the beginning of this season, that EC and Hassan wouldn't play as much as they have. Out of necessity, they've been thrown into the fire. And that's going to end up helping them get better faster, and help the team as well.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

I don't disagree. I don't think rankings are the end all. Certainly not infallible. Just one more piece of info to try to cobble together a guess. That's all any of us are doing, anyway. The rankings are less of a concern than the offers. Some monsters have come out of ND Prep. It's not like he has been under a rock. Why not a single high major offer unless Marquette did? Then you add in the fact that he wasn't even evaluated by some services. Just strange because he seems like a good catch. i'm hoping it's because he took a leap. It happens.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Could be grades? Some very talented guys aren't rated, because
the scuttlebutt around is they are non projectors.
It's why X wasn't rated in high school. Cat Mobley was the same.
Some have bombed on PSATs and/or have poor grades.
Some need prep school to get into college.
I went to school with a guy who was an academic train wreck.
However, he was built like Hercules and could run the ball like hell.
Nobody would touch him coming out of high school.
He went to a snooty prep school in CT, wound up being the leading rusher at
Memphis U, and was drafted by the Oakland Raiders.
There's lots of similar stories out there.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Well, Rivals has him at 3 stars, but no rank. Decent list of schools.

JARVIS GARRETT
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Point guard
Fitchburg, Massachusetts
Notre Dame
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Ht:6'0"
Wt:170 lbs
Class:2014 (High School)
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Creighton Medium Offered None
La Salle Medium Offered None
Marquette Medium None
Miami (FL) Medium None
Notre Dame Medium None
Pittsburgh Medium None

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

future150 has him as a 3 star too...

http://future150.com/hs/basketball-prof ... tt-pg-2014

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 10 years ago

Oh, FFS...

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

ace wrote:Oh, FFS...

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 10 years ago

son of a mother.

if things keep going this way the thread may very well reach Terrell proportions...

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Why do I get my hopes up on these things??????????

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Told you guys. It's a long way until April signings.
Could be we are getting played for a better deal.
Another Kaza Keane, looking and waiting for something better.
If he doesn't, I hope he winds up on the outside looking in, like Keane did.

Matunuck · Unread post by **Matunuck** » 10 years ago

I am hearing Indiana became involved late.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

He must be waiting for Buzz to see him to get an offer from Marquette, or hearing from bigger schools such as Indiana or someone else.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 10 years ago

Whether he "committed" this weekend or not, if he wasn't totally sold this doesn't really change anything. Almost better to recruit him to the end and continue to consider all options than have him commit and leave at the last second leaving you with nothing.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

Can't fault a kid if Indiana is sniffing around. Probably better for URI, anyway, in that they won't think PG is done and then have him flip late.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Rod, I think you're right.

Marquette doesn't seem to be interested. Garrett knows this by now.

So, that might mean he wasn't really that interested in us, he was just trying to get Marquette to offer him.

Someone else is going to offer him. Once they do, we're probably out.

Hey, if the kid doesn't want to be here, then why would we want him?

Dan will find someone that does. There's still enough time.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I hope we have a Plan B. My spider senses are tingling on this one,
and have all week. Or is that just my Rhody Paranoia?
Sure, he can play on the bench behind Yogi Ferrell for two years.
Same guy who said he's looking for immediate playing time.
I'm so tired of this crap.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

He's been here at least 3 times. If he wasn't interested, he sure is a good faker.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Rod, I think we do. Just my feeling on this one.

Dan can't be putting all his eggs in one basket.

After Terrell, he has to know this can happen. He knows the game.

Personally, I liked it better in the old days, before Twitter, etc. Back then, we found out who we were getting on the day they signed their LOI.

A lot less to worry about. Sure, it's fun to go back and forth, but with us it usually doesn't end well.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Maybe we were the only suitors, plus we're in the area.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Billyboy, I'm sure he's interested.

He thinks he belongs at a BCS school, that's all. Like Rod said, it's all ego with these guys.

Now that he's getting interest from those type of schools, we'll be left behind.

Thank God EC and Hassan weren't swayed.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

Two likely scenarios.

1. He wanted to put the squeeze on Marquette to offer. Looks like Buzz wasn't playing that game and he would offer when he felt it was best for Marquette, if ever. And the squeeze failed.
2. He was really down to URI/Marquette and Indiana started noodling around.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

RI57@clarkie57
@jerrymeyer247 Looks like you'll have to change again, not announcing Sunday and opening up recruitment. - 05 Feb

Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
@clarkie57 interesting. Rhode Island has worked hard but that is a horrible sign. Thanks for notifying me. Im boarding a plane

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

Haha, this is nuts. This is why I don't get my hopes up about these things anymore.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

It's obvious he wants the bright lights of a big time school, even if he ends up riding the bench.

It's his call. He wants better than us. Good riddance.

EC WANTED to come here. He resisted many efforts to get him to reconsider, some of them from much bigger schools than us.

That's the kind of guy we want here. Dan too I'm sure.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Listen, if he really feels he's better than Duane Wilson, #53 ranked 4 star recruit
for Marquette, and he honestly thinks he can beat him out,
the only thing keeping his from Marquette is an offer.
I know Indiana has Yogi Ferrell, who was merely a top 20 recruit.
Who knows? Maybe this kid thinks he's better than Chris Paul and will declare for the NBA?
Once a kid decommits or backs off their supposed first choice, they rarely go back to it.
Whatever.......totally disgusted.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

The reason I was so confident earlier was that I heard Marquette was not interested and that since he was announcing on Sunday ... and URI was the only team still standing .... A player in search of a high major.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:The reason I was so confident earlier was that I heard Marquette was not interested and that since he was announcing on Sunday ... and URI was the only team still standing .... A player in search of a high major.

So, as soon as he gets an offer from a high major, he's through with us.

CT Rhody · Unread post by **CT Rhody** » 10 years ago

We are a high major. People have to stop thinking otherwise. The A-10 has proved that out again on the court this year.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 10 years ago

I am certainly disappointed with this news, but I'm not ready to assume that he's a two-faced terrible person who played us the whole time and has delusions about his talent level. Here's hoping he still comes here.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Yep Iggy.

A player who will sit at a high major, but star here.

EC could have done the same. Hassan too. They didn't. Good for them, and us.

Dan needs to find someone who's ego fits URI.

CT Rhody: We're not in the Big 10. Or the ACC. Never will be, unless we join them. Sure.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 10 years ago

I guess this means Jaquan Lyle isn't going to Indiana. That's OK, they have two 4* PG offers for 2015. But Garrett must know this already.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

sf2010 wrote:I am certainly disappointed with this news, but I'm not ready to assume that he's a two-faced terrible person who played us the whole time and has delusions about his talent level. Here's hoping he still comes here.

Yeah totally agree, he didnt commit and then back out or anything. He owes URI nothing. If he wants to wait and see what else is out there then I can't really blame him. I'm sure some of us would do the same in that situation. I still hope he comes here in the end and know we can really use him, but we're going to lose alot of recruiting battles over the years (every school does). Disappointed sure, but can't get too bent out of shape about it.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Dan the man has backup plans. Count on it!

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

I have no problem with a kid who thinks he is good enough to play in the Big East or Big Ten. I thought rankings aren't the end all now we give a kid grief because he thinks he can beat out the #53 player? C'mon. I want a PG who thinks he is the best player on the floor. He did not commit to URI and then back out. For all we know, he has told the staff this is where he stands. The reality is if URI wants to be involved in competing with Oklahoma State or Indiana or Marquette, this is how it goes. Of course, have to win some of them eventually.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 10 years ago

Gonebarongone wrote:I have no problem with a kid who thinks he is good enough to play in the Big East or Big Ten. I thought rankings aren't the end all now we give a kid grief because he thinks he can beat out the #53 player? C'mon. I want a PG who thinks he is the best player on the floor. He did not commit to URI and then back out. For all we know, he has told the staff this is where he stands. The reality is if URI wants to be involved in competing with Oklahoma State or Indiana or Marquette, this is how it goes. Of course, have to win some of them eventually.

Yep, exactly.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I've asked about Plan B directly and heard crickets.
This is another Terrell situation, where they counted their chickens too early.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

We can't go through another year with TJ and Biggie as our PGs. That's another wasted year, in my opinion.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 10 years ago

There's always a Plan B (and C and D and so on). Recruiting never stops.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Rod, if that's true, shame on them.

They should know better.

I'm sure they are looking at other PG's. It makes no sense to assume anything in the recruiting business.

Maybe we just need to be surprised. In a good way.

Maybe a late blooming PG will crawl out from under a rock, and sign an LOI with us in April.

We can only hope, right?

We just have to get to a level where big time recruits want to come here, VCU like. We're going to have to get there just like they did, with unknowns that become stars.

Not as easy that way, but since when is anything at URI easy?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

I'm with Billyboy. Going into next season with the status quo PGs will
be a disaster.
Anybody who isn't pissed off at this latest turn doesn't have a pulse, if you're a real URI fan.
You can be cavalier about it, if you don't give a damn in the first place.
I'm sure Preston is fit to be tied about now.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

And not having a true PG also hurts the development of EC and Hassan.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:I'm with Billyboy. Going into next season with the status quo PGs will
be a disaster.
Anybody who isn't pissed off at this latest turn doesn't have a pulse, if you're a real URI fan.
You can be cavalier about it, if you don't give a damn in the first place.
I'm sure Preston is fit to be tied about now.

I don't know that I'm agnostic about it, but I'm not going to flip my desk. This is the nature of recruiting. We'll see what happens. No question we need a guard this cycle, however we go about doing it.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 10 years ago

I only hear about Preston's recruits. Does anyone else recruit on this team?

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

ace wrote:There's always a Plan B (and C and D and so on). Recruiting never stops.

That's the problem. Rhody offered about a dozen other 2014 PGs. Come up empty here and then it's JUCO/post grad/transfer or breaking in a frosh in 15-16.