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NJRhodyFan · Unread post by **NJRhodyFan** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:You want it, you got it.

URI offer was for 17 million over 10 years. Average 1.7 mil a year.

Practice facility....yes. More charters...yes. More $ for assts...yes....

Sounds good, no? So why might he not take it?

It's the conference we play in. Can Dan get to where he wants to go playing in the A10?

Shaka and Archie didn't think so. And they were both making over 2 mil a year and had better fan support and facilities than we do.

But couldn't you make the argument that he'll have an easier time making and advancing in the NCAA tournament consistently in the A-10 as opposed to the ACC?? If Hass was healthy last year, I have no doubt we beat Oregon and advance to the Sweet 16, probably even further. And we couldn't have drawn a worse matchup than Duke in this year's tournament or else we would have advanced once again. I mean come on...their starting lineup has 3-4 future NBA players. My point is that Hurley has proven he can get us into the tournament in the A-10 with solid recruiting, a tough OOC schedule and good coaching. Not to mention the incredible fan support that he's built at URI. He goes to Pitt, that's a complete rebuild. Then when he finally gets HIS team in place in a few years, he's still going up against the likes of Duke, UNC, Louisville and every other team in the ACC on a nightly basis. That's a daunting task. The road to the tournament will be much easier in the A-10, that's all I'm saying.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

Rhodymob05 wrote:
Dre3000 wrote:The UConn violations are pretty overblown! A couple kids participated in illegal offcampus workouts. I'm pretty sure that's considered a minor infraction by the NCAA especially since they self reported.

I'd be surprised to see any major penalties from the NCAA, seems they'd have bigger fish to fry. It was clearly stated they were never under FBI investigation.
Minor infractions were enough to fire their head coach right?

It was all about trying to avoid that buyout. If Ollie was winning 22 games a season and making the tourney no one would have ever heard about this!

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:83, not sure if the practice facility would be a stand alone....I doubt that...would probably be an upgrade of existing space.

Still, just renovating existing space will cost millions.

Dre, correct. And I think Dan has been told not much will come of that.

I understand it isn’t a stand alone facility. You still have to be looking at $10-20 million.
They will attached a donor name to it just like we have the Alex and Ani Court.
What do you mean “Dan has been told not much will come of that”?

Shaolin Swat · Unread post by **Shaolin Swat** » 6 years ago

Rhody83 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:83, not sure if the practice facility would be a stand alone....I doubt that...would probably be an upgrade of existing space.

Still, just renovating existing space will cost millions.

Dre, correct. And I think Dan has been told not much will come of that.
I understand it isn’t a stand alone facility. You still have to be looking at $10-20 million.
They will attached a donor name to it just like we have the Alex and Ani Court.
What do you mean “Dan has been told not much will come of that”?

I think he's referring to potential NCAA Sanctions at UCONN.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 6 years ago

Also how many times has Hurley recently spoke out against the recent NCAA violations??

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Oh I 100% agree with you. That alone would make me not want to go there. If they do that to their own, what will they do to an outsider that's supposed to be the "savior". But at the end of the day coaches don't ever think they'll be unsuccessful.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And when they lose the case against Ollie (because it was a minor infraction) they take a $10 million payout hit. That is going to significantly impact their spending on the men’s basketball program. Forget chartered flights, they will be taking buses.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 6 years ago

What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

Rhody83 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.
And when they lose the case against Ollie (because it was a minor infraction) they take a $10 million payout hit. That is going to significantly impact their spending on the men’s basketball program. Forget chartered flights, they will be taking buses.

It'll be interesting to see if he wins. The language of his contract is very clear. Any infraction committed by anyone within his program that he doesn't report within a very specific time frame eliminates his buyout.

I dont know how he could win, but it's still extremely shady IMO.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 6 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.

Kind of a big life decision for the guy, no?

Maybe he’s...thinking it over and talking to his family?

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 6 years ago

Dre3000 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Oh I 100% agree with you. That alone would make me not want to go there. If they do that to their own, what will they do to an outsider that's supposed to be the "savior". But at the end of the day coaches don't ever think they'll be unsuccessful.

the other aspect too is they are basically announcing that no level of success is good enough to save you. They're not just doing this to a former great player for them, they are doing it to a national championship winning coach.

it also feeds into the perception that Calhoun is still pulling the strings there and things will end poorly for you if you cross the boss (like Ollie did)

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.

You have to respect the fact that this is a HUGE decision for someone to make. Going to impact their life and their family's lives - maybe for generations - and it will alter the course of his career whichever direction he goes. I'm just happy we got a fair hearing and that, by the accounts I've seen posted here and have heard elsewhere, URI has stepped up and did what was necessary with the commitments they made in their offer. Dan will do what is best for him and his family. I hope that is with us, but if not you don't need a lot more evidence that he was successful here than what was in the package that they offered him to stay. The willingness to go there bodes well for the future of this program whether it is under Hurley's leadership (hopefully) or not.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.

Unbelievable! Guy can't even have 24hrs to weigh pros and cons of all offers?

Rhodyram · Unread post by **Rhodyram** » 6 years ago

One of the more amazing things about following this drama is that it makes the Duke loss seem like 5 weeks ago-and its only been 5 days.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 6 years ago

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Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 6 years ago

Rhody83 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.
And when they lose the case against Ollie (because it was a minor infraction) they take a $10 million payout hit. That is going to significantly impact their spending on the men’s basketball program. Forget chartered flights, they will be taking buses.

UConn doesn't charter to OOC games as I understand it, only conference. They flew commercial home from PK80.

They do have the budget to offer charters for recruiting visits though. Big differentiator.

gorhody89 · Unread post by **gorhody89** » 6 years ago

My work computer blocks anything from twitter so anytime anyone posts a tweet it just says loading tweet and I frantically switch to my phone thinking this the decision.

hoping we get a positive news soon !

scine20 · Unread post by **scine20** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:You want it, you got it.

URI offer was for 17 million over 10 years. Average 1.7 mil a year.

Practice facility....yes. More charters...yes. More $ for assts...yes....

Sounds good, no? So why might he not take it?

It's the conference we play in. Can Dan get to where he wants to go playing in the A10?

Shaka and Archie didn't think so. And they were both making over 2 mil a year and had better fan support and facilities than we do.

If it's about the conference then why the hell is he considering UConn? He'd be leaving the A10 to go to a slightly better conference but one that consists of the same types of bottom feeders that kill an RPI. Fordham/La Salle/Duquesne may be bad, but Tulane/East Carolina/Central Florida can't be that much better.

If it really is about the conference I'd expect he'll either go to Pitt or hold out for something more either in the next month or next year.

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

Blue Man wrote:
Rhody83 wrote:
TruePoint wrote:Dre - right, but you get how that is not good, don't you? If they run a guy out who won a national championship and is an alum and try to screw him over and weasel out of paying him with fabricated "for cause" nonsense, what does that say about their loyalty and "family" bona fides? If you're a prospective employee, do you trust that employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.
And when they lose the case against Ollie (because it was a minor infraction) they take a $10 million payout hit. That is going to significantly impact their spending on the men’s basketball program. Forget chartered flights, they will be taking buses.
UConn doesn't charter to OOC games as I understand it, only conference. They flew commercial home from PK80.

They do have the budget to offer charters for recruiting visits though. Big differentiator.

If true, I can't see why he'd be interested in Uconn that's been one of his biggest gripes here. I could see that being a must in his contract there.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

Wonder if we have offered recruiting charters.

Seawrightspostgame · Unread post by **Seawrightspostgame** » 6 years ago

Have to know what you want. You guys act like these choices were sprung on him.

He has been in the industry for like 30 years. He knows what he thinks of those two schools. Like all of us I am sure he knows how much he values the salaries or doesn't. And what he wants in terms of resources. Then his family? Come on. He knows what his wife thinks just like everybody else.

Only way he doesn't know what he is doing is if hes negotiating. Or he thinks one program is not being upfront about something.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 6 years ago

You can't weigh options against each other until you know specifically what they are.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 6 years ago

NJRhodyFan wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:You want it, you got it.

URI offer was for 17 million over 10 years. Average 1.7 mil a year.

Practice facility....yes. More charters...yes. More $ for assts...yes....

Sounds good, no? So why might he not take it?

It's the conference we play in. Can Dan get to where he wants to go playing in the A10?

Shaka and Archie didn't think so. And they were both making over 2 mil a year and had better fan support and facilities than we do.
But couldn't you make the argument that he'll have an easier time making and advancing in the NCAA tournament consistently in the A-10 as opposed to the ACC?? If Hass was healthy last year, I have no doubt we beat Oregon and advance to the Sweet 16, probably even further. And we couldn't have drawn a worse matchup than Duke in this year's tournament or else we would have advanced once again. I mean come on...their starting lineup has 3-4 future NBA players. My point is that Hurley has proven he can get us into the tournament in the A-10 with solid recruiting, a tough OOC schedule and good coaching. Not to mention the incredible fan support that he's built at URI. He goes to Pitt, that's a complete rebuild. Then when he finally gets HIS team in place in a few years, he's still going up against the likes of Duke, UNC, Louisville and every other team in the ACC on a nightly basis. That's a daunting task. The road to the tournament will be much easier in the A-10, that's all I'm saying.

The ACC gets 8-10 teams in every year. I am sure a coach like DH isn't worried about making the tournament if he got things going. And don't you think a guy with confidence would rather walk into the Dean Dome or Cameron on ESPN at 8pm rather than Rose Hill? Let's be honest, though. Someone is putting over 3 million bucks/year on the table. Tough to turn that down.

sf2010 · Unread post by **sf2010** » 6 years ago

Rhody83 wrote:

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN

The plot thickens.

WHEN did they discuss? Are they waiting on Hurley to pass first? Did Hurley already pass?

HOW COOKED IS THE HAM?????

urirx · Unread post by **urirx** » 6 years ago

the Pitt people switch focus to Sean in evening yesterday, based on reading their board earlier this morning.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 6 years ago

But does he want to walk into those places at least 2-3 times before being competitive? Bc that is the reality of the Pitt situation, no matter how well he is able to recruit there. Next season is already a wash, top recruits all signed, not much left. He will have at least 2-3 years with a lot of losing. If Pitt finished 8-10, or even 6-12, with some promising young players you could wrap your head around it. But 0-18 with 90% of the roster asking for their release.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 6 years ago

I don't think Pitt was really ever a strong contender for multiple reasons. Not a destination job, and a massive rebuild which Dan himself has said multiple times he would not sign up for again. Uconn or URI is what it has always been IMO.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 6 years ago

gorhody89 wrote:My work computer blocks anything from twitter so anytime anyone posts a tweet it just says loading tweet and I frantically switch to my phone thinking this the decision.

hoping we get a positive news soon !

Twitter is an essential service under Title II protections!!! Stupid employer!

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 6 years ago

at Pitt you're looking at getting your head kicked in for a couple years before you start turning the tide

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:83, not sure if the practice facility would be a stand alone....I doubt that...would probably be an upgrade of existing space.

Still, just renovating existing space will cost millions.

Dre, correct. And I think Dan has been told not much will come of that.

Wow UConn told Dan not much will come of the violations they admitted to? Shocking. But if they're admitting to that what else will the NCAA find in their investigation? What else will come out as UConn fights to save money cause they're broke?

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 6 years ago

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:at Pitt you're looking at getting your head kicked in for a couple years before you start turning the tide

But you have court-storm potential for at least half of your home games...at least for a couple years...

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 6 years ago

sf2010 wrote:
Rhody83 wrote:
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN

The plot thickens.

WHEN did they discuss? Are they waiting on Hurley to pass first? Did Hurley already pass?

HOW COOKED IS THE HAM?????

Plot isn't thick at all. Most informed posters on here were posting that Pitt was 3rd in the running regardless of the financials.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 6 years ago

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 6 years ago

I wouldn't say Pitt is out by any means. Schools have to have other options in case their first choice goes elsewhere.

Who else has UConn looked at?

steviep123 · Unread post by **steviep123** » 6 years ago

SmartyBarrett wrote:

The kiss of death lol - they might as well have announced him as the next head coach

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 6 years ago

Seawrightspostgame wrote:What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.

I keep looking up for the Batman signal.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 6 years ago

TruePoint wrote:
Seawrightspostgame wrote:What is being waited for here? A flare for the dramatic?

Release the choice already Lebron.
Going to impact their life and their family's lives - maybe for generations.

That seems a little dramatic. He can either earn $17 million over 10 years or .....
I would say his family is pretty secure. If he is making this decision based on the financial impact for his grandchildren, that would be crazy.

Dan was a prep school coach at the age of 37. He wasn’t making much. If making more than $1 million/year was so important to him,why did he coach prep school for 9 years?

rhodylaw · Unread post by **rhodylaw** » 6 years ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote:
rambone 78 wrote:83, not sure if the practice facility would be a stand alone....I doubt that...would probably be an upgrade of existing space.

Still, just renovating existing space will cost millions.

Dre, correct. And I think Dan has been told not much will come of that.
Wow UConn told Dan not much will come of the violations they admitted to? Shocking. But if they're admitting to that what else will the NCAA find in their investigation? What else will come out as UConn fights to save money cause they're broke?

Didn't he learn his lesson coming to URI? What APR issues? Oh those will be fine, don't worry about it, then he can't recruit anything but high academic players. Star player is video-taping having sex with girls? Whatever, no big deal.

I wouldn't buy the load of crap UConn is selling. They are in more trouble then they want to admit. The fact that there athletic budget is subsidized so heavily from the state is a HUGE red flag given the nature of the economics in CT. There will eventually be cuts to everything there and it won't be pretty. They need some deep NCAA runs and fast to pay the promises they are making today.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 6 years ago

Keaney Blue smoke from Dan's Saunderstown chimney???

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 6 years ago

Come on DH you Andrea and your kids love it in RI

You can win here and get to the dance every year

We stepped up to the plate with a competitive offer

Pick URI

hrstrat57 · Unread post by **hrstrat57** » 6 years ago

ATPTourFan wrote:Keaney Blue smoke from Dan's Saunderstown chimney???

Yep I saw that too!

urirx · Unread post by **urirx** » 6 years ago

the UConn people are saying they upped their salary offer to over 3 mil., closer to 3.5mil, crazy amount of dollars being thrown at Dan if true.

rhodysurf · Unread post by **rhodysurf** » 6 years ago

The internet is awesome

RhodyRam86 · Unread post by **RhodyRam86** » 6 years ago

we are all getting worked up over this decision like once it is made, there will be peace and calm throughout Kingston until next year at this time. who doesn't think we will go through this all again if Willard leaves SH for Pitt or Mack leaves X for Louisville? Do you think Dan won't explore those opportunities any more than he is CT and Pitt now? IMHO...any commitment Dan makes to URI will not be worth the paper it's written on. I don't think this is over today, tomorrow or next week...

hope I'm wrong...

Matunuck · Unread post by **Matunuck** » 6 years ago

I am short sighted, just want him to stay for next year. I will worry about the following year after that.

DC_Rams · Unread post by **DC_Rams** » 6 years ago

If Xavier or SHU open, DH is gone.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 6 years ago

OMG no way on Seton Hall. Why exactly?

Dre3000 · Unread post by **Dre3000** » 6 years ago

urirx wrote:the UConn people are saying they upped their salary offer to over 3 mil., closer to 3.5mil, crazy amount of dollars being thrown at Dan if true.

IF true, that will do it. Not so sure they can afford that though.