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I guess I just don't understand why McGlade and A10 fans (some on this site included) have people resistant to the C-USA "Bonus" Play model.

There are so many ways to do it:

1) 18 game w/ travel partner
Play Everyone Once except travel partner (twice)
Play 1-5 a 2nd time (or 3rd time if travel partner included)

2) 18 game w/o travel partner
Play Everyone Once
Play 1-5 a 2nd time + a 3rd game against 1 additional 1-5 team.

3) 20 game w/ travel partner
Play Everyone Once except travel partner (twice)
Play 1-5 a 2nd time (or 3rd time if travel partner included) + a 3rd game against 2 additional 1-5 teams.

4) 20 game w/o travel partner
Play Everyone Once
Play 1-5 a 2nd time + a 3rd game against 3 additional 1-5 teams.

5) 20 game schedule w/ travel partner (larger pods)
Play Everyone Once except travel partner (twice)
Play 1-7 a 2nd time (or a 3rd time if travel partner).

This will guaranteed build a stronger conference schedule against teams that have proven to be having strong seasons.

Any questions?
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R.Kelly150 wrote: 4 years ago I say let’s not even play OOC games at the RC let’s just play every OOC game on the road. Bend over and take it!
Why stop there? Tear down the Ryan Center and play all of our games on the road. Home games don't matter. Ignore ticket revenue. Shit, we can go back to playing our games at the Civic Center
Take down the Robert Carothers banner and fix the concession stand lines
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RhowdyRam02 wrote: 4 years ago
R.Kelly150 wrote: 4 years ago I say let’s not even play OOC games at the RC let’s just play every OOC game on the road. Bend over and take it!
Why stop there? Tear down the Ryan Center and play all of our games on the road. Home games don't matter. Ignore ticket revenue. Shit, we can go back to playing our games at the Civic Center
Keep the Ryan Center for the 10 Atlantic-10 Home Games because we now are forced to go to 20 Conference Games because the P5’s have gone to 20 games and may go higher in future.

The P5’s and BE play most all their games at home and neutral. It’s a shame, it’s unfair how teams are not rewarded appropriately for going on the road but it is what it is.

Worst I’ve ever seen the college game. Every year gets worse.

Two Leagues coming. FBS and FCS just like football, just what P5’s want.
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I get playing a 20 game conference schedule with extra games against the top 4/5 teams in the A-10 to play into the whole NET ranking BS. But, if the NET is rigged and the OOC games against any of the so-called anointed conferences are limited to neutral site tourneys or road games I just don’t get how the extra games are going to get us anywhere. Our hands are tied to begin with.

You have to prove you are a superior team and winning on the road or neutral site can get you there, but it’s only going to get harder once you give into these BS deals. Will there be a time that A-10 schools are the “other four” teams in a tournament and are no longer part of the true tournament field but cannon fodder? I think its coming especially if URI and others keep giving ground. I’d tell VT with their BCS football money, big conference affiliation, yet middling basketball program to act like a MAN and come play URI, a team that was once in the same F’ing conference, on our home court.
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Ramster, you do realize the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games last year and the average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games? The way you talk you would think every A10 team plays 8 road games and no one else leaves home.
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Would be nice if the US Congress got involved, seems like blatant monopolistic behavior by the p5.

The NET formula making road wins much more valuable would help tremendously.

Neither of those 2 things is likely to ever happen though.

Non-p5 schools are stuck, we're in a real bad position with no sign of the situation ever improving.

For all its perceived flaws, at least the rpi gave you 1.4 points for a road win and only 0.6 for a home win, that is probably why the p5 probably wanted to get rid of the rpi.
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Again, the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games. The average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games. Big difference? No. I’m sure every conference is in the same ball park. You guys act like the A10 plays all these road games, until you actually look at the numbers and realize it’s not true.
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago Again, the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games. The average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games. Big difference? No. I’m sure every conference is in the same ball park. You guys act like the A10 plays all these road games, until you actually look at the numbers and realize it’s not true.
How can every conference be in the same ballpark?
Not possible
The home and away OOC games must be equal.
If some conferences are playing only 2.1 away games on average then other conferences must be making up for that with more OOC away games than Home games. They have to balance out
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ramster wrote: 4 years ago
rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago Again, the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games. The average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games. Big difference? No. I’m sure every conference is in the same ball park. You guys act like the A10 plays all these road games, until you actually look at the numbers and realize it’s not true.
How can every conference be in the same ballpark?
Not possible
The home and away OOC games must be equal.
If some conferences are playing only 2.1 away games on average then other conferences must be making up for that with more OOC away games than Home games. They have to balance out
I didn't verbalize my point properly. My point was to stay that with the BE and the A10 around the same number, I'd bet the other P5 conferences are all within roughly the same footprint. Now do I believe that MAAC or WAC or SWAC conferences play significantly more? Sure. That's not what I meant to imply but I can see why you took it that way. I'm more than happy to do the numbers, just give me a few minutes.
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Here are the percentage of true OOC road games played by conference in 2019 (Top 13 conferences). My formula here was road games played divided by max available games per conference:

1. CUSA 32.42%
2. MAC 31.41%
3. MVC 26.15%
4. WCC 22.67%
5. MWC 20.98%
6. A10 18.68%
7. BE 16.92%
8. AAC 16.67%
9. B12 16.15%
10. SEC 13.74%
11. AAC 13.33%
12. B1G 12.99%
13. P12 11.54%
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago Here are the percentage of true OOC road games played by conference in 2019 (Top 13 conferences). My formula here was road games played divided by max available games per conference:

1. CUSA 32.42%
2. MAC 31.41%
3. MVC 26.15%
4. WCC 22.67%
5. MWC 20.98%
6. A10 18.68%
7. BE 16.92%
8. AAC 16.67%
9. B12 16.15%
10. SEC 13.74%
11. AAC 13.33%
12. B1G 12.99%
13. P12 11.54%
You did that pretty quick. Can you do it for all 32 conferences just out of curiosity?
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago Again, the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games. The average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games. Big difference? No. I’m sure every conference is in the same ball park. You guys act like the A10 plays all these road games, until you actually look at the numbers and realize it’s not true.
URI already plays nearly double the true road games than most teams in either the A-10 or Big East.
2018-19 4
2019-20 4
2020-21 4 already scheduled
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2-1's are a bad deal on several fronts. They tie up a road game in two different seasons and provide no cash. With more road games versus high profile teams, URI would most likely look to cut down on road games versus other opponents such as a MTSU, WKU, Charleston. It then would have to eliminate series with these types of teams losing a no cost home game as well. This would mean it would have to do more buy games with no new revenues to offset them. I myself would rather URI sell itself for buy games such as at Maryland this past year than do a 2-1. It gets a decent opponent and cash it can use to buy a home game.
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SWAC 73.85%
MEAC 58.18%
NE 58.04%
Big South 51.75%
Southland 51.75%
Patriot 50.00%
MAAC 49.59%
ASUN 48.15%
OVC 47.44%
America East 47.41%
Big West 47.41%
Big Sky 45.45%
Southern 45.38%
Summit 44.44%
Ivy 43.38%
Horizon 43.08%
Sun Belt 40.15%
CAA 37.69%
WAC 36.30%
CUSA 32.42%
MAC 31.41%
MVC 26.15%
WCC 22.67%
MWC 20.98%
A10 18.68%
BE 16.92%
AAC 16.67%
B12 16.15%
SEC 13.74%
AAC 13.33%
B1G 12.99%
P12 11.54%

I have some observations but these are the raw numbers.
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RF1 wrote: 4 years ago 2-1's are a bad deal on several fronts. They tie up a road game in two different seasons and provide no cash. With more road games versus high profile teams, URI would most likely look to cut down on road games versus other opponents such as a MTSU, WKU, Charleston. It then would have to eliminate series with these types of teams losing a no cost home game as well. This would mean it would have to do more buy games with no no revenues to offset them. I myself would rather URI sell itself for buy games such as at Maryland this past year than do a 2-1. It gets a decent opponent and cash it can use to buy a home game.
This makes some sense, but who you looking to use the money for on a buy game at home? If it is a Western Kentucky, Harvard, Vermont type school it makes sense, but if it is UNH or someone on that level than it is a useless game.
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The better the conference, the lower the percentages.

Makes sense.
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rambone 78 wrote: 4 years ago The better the conference, the lower the percentages.

Makes sense.
Another observation is that bad conferences really don't play many neutral court games. They often aren't invited to holiday tournaments, and if they are part of a holiday tournament they often get guaranteed road games whereas the top tournament teams are often forced to play those teams at home. They also don't typically take up the benefit or true neutral court games, and there are also many teams that value the "buy" game aspect of scheduling in order to grow their athletic department revenue. An example of this is someone like Jackson St: They played 11 road games and 2 home games in their OOC. Their home games were non-D1, and were local schools. Is that because no one is willing to play them at home, or because they want to make as much money as possible during their OOC?

I won't use the A10 (because Duquesne skewed the neutral numbers), but take even the MWC. The MWC played 19.58% of their games on neutral courts, and 20.98% of their games on road courts, so they still played 40.56% of their games away from home. The Big East was similar -- 20.77% on neutral courts, 16.92% road courts, 37.69% away from home. If you compare that to say the Sun Belt, they played 40.15% on the road, but only 8.33% on a neutral court, so they play 48.48% away from home. Point being, I don't always think it's as cut and dry as home/road, neutral is a scheduling factor as well.
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RF1 wrote: 4 years ago
rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago Again, the average BE team played 2.1 OOC road games. The average A10 team played 2.4 OOC road games. Big difference? No. I’m sure every conference is in the same ball park. You guys act like the A10 plays all these road games, until you actually look at the numbers and realize it’s not true.
URI already plays nearly double the true road games than most teams in either the A-10 or Big East.
2018-19 4
2019-20 4
2020-21 4 already scheduled
Fwiw, UD did not play a single true ooc road game last year.
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago
rambone 78 wrote: 4 years ago The better the conference, the lower the percentages.

Makes sense.
Another observation is that bad conferences really don't play many neutral court games. They often aren't invited to holiday tournaments, and if they are part of a holiday tournament they often get guaranteed road games whereas the top tournament teams are often forced to play those teams at home. They also don't typically take up the benefit or true neutral court games, and there are also many teams that value the "buy" game aspect of scheduling in order to grow their athletic department revenue. An example of this is someone like Jackson St: They played 11 road games and 2 home games in their OOC. Their home games were non-D1, and were local schools. Is that because no one is willing to play them at home, or because they want to make as much money as possible during their OOC?

I won't use the A10 (because Duquesne skewed the neutral numbers), but take even the MWC. The MWC played 19.58% of their games on neutral courts, and 20.98% of their games on road courts, so they still played 40.56% of their games away from home. The Big East was similar -- 20.77% on neutral courts, 16.92% road courts, 37.69% away from home. If you compare that to say the Sun Belt, they played 40.15% on the road, but only 8.33% on a neutral court, so they play 48.48% away from home. Point being, I don't always think it's as cut and dry as home/road, neutral is a scheduling factor as well.
I also heard that some coaches in those bottom-tier conferences actually have in their contracts that they will bring in $X from buy games. I forgot the coach mentioned but he said he's contractually obligated to bring in like $275,000 a year in buy-game money. If that is standard in those coaching contracts for lower conference schools (because that money funds most of their budget), then that explains the higher percentage of road games.
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RF1 wrote: 4 years ago 2-1's are a bad deal on several fronts. They tie up a road game in two different seasons and provide no cash. With more road games versus high profile teams, URI would most likely look to cut down on road games versus other opponents such as a MTSU, WKU, Charleston. It then would have to eliminate series with these types of teams losing a no cost home game as well. This would mean it would have to do more buy games with no new revenues to offset them. I myself would rather URI sell itself for buy games such as at Maryland this past year than do a 2-1. It gets a decent opponent and cash it can use to buy a home game.
Home buy games are worthless other than the money you make off of them. They do absolutely nothing for you from a resume standpoint.
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RF1 wrote: 4 years ago 2-1's are a bad deal on several fronts. They tie up a road game in two different seasons and provide no cash. With more road games versus high profile teams, URI would most likely look to cut down on road games versus other opponents such as a MTSU, WKU, Charleston. It then would have to eliminate series with these types of teams losing a no cost home game as well. This would mean it would have to do more buy games with no new revenues to offset them. I myself would rather URI sell itself for buy games such as at Maryland this past year than do a 2-1. It gets a decent opponent and cash it can use to buy a home game.
Games at Maryland you are unlikely to win.

Teams like MTSU, WKU, and Charleston are very hit and miss, those games are worthless a higher % of the time because those teams are not any good a higher % of the time.

The advantage of 2 for 1's is that the opponent is much more hit than miss.

Imo, 2 for 1's are the way to go out of the 3 options being discussed.
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago SWAC 73.85%
MEAC 58.18%
NE 58.04%
Big South 51.75%
Southland 51.75%
Patriot 50.00%
MAAC 49.59%
ASUN 48.15%
OVC 47.44%
America East 47.41%
Big West 47.41%
Big Sky 45.45%
Southern 45.38%
Summit 44.44%
Ivy 43.38%
Horizon 43.08%
Sun Belt 40.15%
CAA 37.69%
WAC 36.30%
CUSA 32.42%
MAC 31.41%
MVC 26.15%
WCC 22.67%
MWC 20.98%
A10 18.68%
BE 16.92%
AAC 16.67%
B12 16.15%
SEC 13.74%
AAC 13.33%
B1G 12.99%
P12 11.54%

I have some observations but these are the raw numbers.
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Why wouldn’t the percentages be equal?
Only 5 teams above 50%
Shouldn’t these conferences compose most all D1 teams?
This is only for OOC and wouldn’t include neutral court games such as in Holiday remote tournaments, right?
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I’m not sure what the question means?

The math is an approximation so it may not add up perfect.

I took how many road games each conference played OOC, and divided that by a number that multiplied conference teams with maximum OOC games.

For that it’s approximate math because I would have been here all day otherwise.
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rjsuperfly66 wrote: 4 years ago SWAC 73.85%
MEAC 58.18%
NE 58.04%
Big South 51.75%
Southland 51.75%
Patriot 50.00%
MAAC 49.59%
ASUN 48.15%
OVC 47.44%
America East 47.41%
Big West 47.41%
Big Sky 45.45%
Southern 45.38%
Summit 44.44%
Ivy 43.38%
Horizon 43.08%
Sun Belt 40.15%
CAA 37.69%
WAC 36.30%
CUSA 32.42%
MAC 31.41%
MVC 26.15%
WCC 22.67%
MWC 20.98%
A10 18.68%
BE 16.92%
AAC 16.67%
B12 16.15%
SEC 13.74%
AAC 13.33%
B1G 12.99%
P12 11.54%

I have some observations but these are the raw numbers.
Cool. You did that really quick. Can we get a breakdown of day vs night and weekend vs weekday?
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The difference is in the quality of home opponents for the P5 schools. They will play an A10 team on their court but not return next year, or require a 2 for 1 with the 1 being neutral site and not a true home court. A10 team schedules another midmajor it is a home and home. It makes a difference. There is no changing in it, but if you don’t think those advantages mean something you are crazy. Give me WVU at home (meaning Ryan Center) and I think we would have won that game.
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rhodylaw wrote: 4 years ago The difference is in the quality of home opponents for the P5 schools. They will play an A10 team on their court but not return next year, or require a 2 for 1 with the 1 being neutral site and not a true home court. A10 team schedules another midmajor it is a home and home. It makes a difference. There is no changing in it, but if you don’t think those advantages mean something you are crazy. Give me WVU at home (meaning Ryan Center) and I think we would have won that game.
So you want to play WV at Mohegan and at a home?

We beat them at Mohegan.
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rhodylaw wrote: 4 years ago The difference is in the quality of home opponents for the P5 schools. They will play an A10 team on their court but not return next year, or require a 2 for 1 with the 1 being neutral site and not a true home court. A10 team schedules another midmajor it is a home and home. It makes a difference. There is no changing in it, but if you don’t think those advantages mean something you are crazy. Give me WVU at home (meaning Ryan Center) and I think we would have won that game.
Agree...it makes a difference...we have no choice though...it is take it or leave it...the non-p5 schools need to start playing each other more, yes, we would be eliminating each other, but at least it would be a fair fight
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Hasn't there been an A10 vs AAC or another conference tournament set up?
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Rhodymob05 wrote: 4 years ago Hasn't there been an A10 vs AAC or another conference tournament set up?
A10/Mountain West Conference challenge

Fordham, LaSalle, GW, and UMass are out. San Jose State is out.

Only 10 of the 11 MW teams are playing.


https://atlantic10.com/news/2019/10/17/211814499.aspx

2020 Atlantic 10 – Mountain West Challenge Series Matchups
Game times and television coverage to be announced at a later date

Tuesday, Dec. 1, 2020
Utah State at Davidson

Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2020
UNLV at VCU
St. Bonaventure at New Mexico

Saturday, Dec. 5, 2020
San Diego State at Saint Louis
George Mason at Fresno State
Boise State at Rhode Island
Air Force at Saint Joseph’s
Richmond at Colorado State
Duquesne at Wyoming

Sunday, Dec. 6, 2020
Dayton at Nevada
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I would love to see a A10/AAC challenge as well. I think some AAC fans would think they are well above the A10 (of course without evidence to back it up), so I don't know if it would happen.
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daytonflyerfan wrote: 4 years ago
rhodylaw wrote: 4 years ago The difference is in the quality of home opponents for the P5 schools. They will play an A10 team on their court but not return next year, or require a 2 for 1 with the 1 being neutral site and not a true home court. A10 team schedules another midmajor it is a home and home. It makes a difference. There is no changing in it, but if you don’t think those advantages mean something you are crazy. Give me WVU at home (meaning Ryan Center) and I think we would have won that game.
Agree...it makes a difference...we have no choice though...it is take it or leave it...the non-p5 schools need to start playing each other more, yes, we would be eliminating each other, but at least it would be a fair fight
Isn’t that what I also said when we arguing back and fourth in terms of Non P-5 schools-lol? I agree that Power 5 games will be a thing of the past in most cases. I think this year URI just has to worry about filling out their roster if the transfer rule doesn’t pass for 2020-21. We don’t need anymore power 5 teams if the rule doesn’t pass.
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RamStock wrote: 4 years ago
daytonflyerfan wrote: 4 years ago
rhodylaw wrote: 4 years ago The difference is in the quality of home opponents for the P5 schools. They will play an A10 team on their court but not return next year, or require a 2 for 1 with the 1 being neutral site and not a true home court. A10 team schedules another midmajor it is a home and home. It makes a difference. There is no changing in it, but if you don’t think those advantages mean something you are crazy. Give me WVU at home (meaning Ryan Center) and I think we would have won that game.
Agree...it makes a difference...we have no choice though...it is take it or leave it...the non-p5 schools need to start playing each other more, yes, we would be eliminating each other, but at least it would be a fair fight
Isn’t that what I also said when we arguing back and fourth in terms of Non P-5 schools-lol? I agree that Power 5 games will be a thing of the past in most cases. I think this year URI just has to worry about filling out their roster if the transfer rule doesn’t pass for 2020-21. We don’t need anymore power 5 teams if the rule doesn’t pass.
I argued for an all of the above type approach...you seemed to be ruling out 2 for 1's entirely
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daytonflyerfan wrote: 4 years ago
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Agree...it makes a difference...we have no choice though...it is take it or leave it...the non-p5 schools need to start playing each other more, yes, we would be eliminating each other, but at least it would be a fair fight
Isn’t that what I also said when we arguing back and fourth in terms of Non P-5 schools-lol? I agree that Power 5 games will be a thing of the past in most cases. I think this year URI just has to worry about filling out their roster if the transfer rule doesn’t pass for 2020-21. We don’t need anymore power 5 teams if the rule doesn’t pass.
I argued for an all of the above type approach...you seemed to be ruling out 2 for 1's entirely
I’m all in for any 2 for 1”s which are fair if it is a home game. If it is at the Mohegan or neutral I didn’t like it. I round rather just play one away game at power 5 with no return.
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Pitino said on the Rothstein podcast that he was pushing for the Gonzaga model of getting as many strong p5 neutral court games as possible. Play away and then take the return at MSG.
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Going back to the C-USA schedule model .I like the idea of playing the top teams twice to help the net for the NCAAs but think of what it would do to conference standings. As a top 5 team we play Dayton,Richmond,SLU.Davison and VCU twice while UMASS plays Fordam,LS,GM,GW,and SJ.Who ends up with the best place in the A10 and a better seed in the tourney. A suggestion may be to play each team once until a set date. At that time the conference standings and the tourney seeding be finalized. Then we play the other top 5 teams a second time to help A10 teams qualify with the NET for the NCAAs.
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RamStock wrote: 4 years ago
daytonflyerfan wrote: 4 years ago
RamStock wrote: 4 years ago
Isn’t that what I also said when we arguing back and fourth in terms of Non P-5 schools-lol? I agree that Power 5 games will be a thing of the past in most cases. I think this year URI just has to worry about filling out their roster if the transfer rule doesn’t pass for 2020-21. We don’t need anymore power 5 teams if the rule doesn’t pass.
I argued for an all of the above type approach...you seemed to be ruling out 2 for 1's entirely
I’m all in for any 2 for 1”s which are fair if it is a home game. If it is at the Mohegan or neutral I didn’t like it. I round rather just play one away game at power 5 with no return.
Ok, well, if you do 2 different one-way away games at 2 different p5 opponents, then you are pretty much in the same boat as taking 1 neutral game vs. VT along with 2 away games at VT, with the 2 for 1 having the added benefit of the neutral game.

The other thing I wonder about is how many p5's are willing to offer a one-way road game or a 2 for 1. There are some/a lot of p5's that won't even offer that.
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3mm's wrote: 4 years ago Going back to the C-USA schedule model .I like the idea of playing the top teams twice to help the net for the NCAAs but think of what it would do to conference standings. As a top 5 team we play Dayton,Richmond,SLU.Davison and VCU twice while UMASS plays Fordam,LS,GM,GW,and SJ.Who ends up with the best place in the A10 and a better seed in the tourney. A suggestion may be to play each team once until a set date. At that time the conference standings and the tourney seeding be finalized. Then we play the other top 5 teams a second time to help A10 teams qualify with the NET for the NCAAs.
In their model you can’t fall lower than your pod.

So for example: If you are in the pod 1-5, that’s where you seed in the conference tournament. Everyone can still play for seeding, but you can’t move higher or lower than your pod.
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So you could conceivably end up with a worse conference record than say UMass and still be seeded higher?

I doubt we'll ever see that.

The idea sounds good, but way too radical to be approved.
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This may have been said already, but shouldn't we be looking at playing a bunch of OOC away games this year against P5s? Either that or find home-home opportunities with similar programs and schedule away this year? I think there's a real possibility we have limitations around fans in seats and therefore a typical "away" game won't pose as many challenges as they have in the past.

This is the year I'd go on the road and take my chances.
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rambone 78 wrote: 4 years ago So you could conceivably end up with a worse conference record than say UMass and still be seeded higher?

I doubt we'll ever see that.

The idea sounds good, but way too radical to be approved.
Conferences have approved it, so it's obviously not too radical. I don't think it's as radical as some of the other things I've heard, although there are certainly logistical challenges everyone would have to accept.
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Is it too late for us to transfer to the Northeast-10?
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CamsRams wrote: 4 years ago
This is the return game of the existing series that WKU in Kingston in 2019 (URI won in OT 86-82).
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giovanni wrote: 4 years ago
These 20 game P5 league schedules are certainly problematic for mid majors, but Rothstein’s point about Furman is perplexing to me. I don’t see a P5 school playing at Furman, whether the P5 conference schedule is 18 or 20 games.
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JimSidd wrote: 4 years ago
giovanni wrote: 4 years ago
These 20 game P5 league schedules are certainly problematic for mid majors, but Rothstein’s point about Furman is perplexing to me. I don’t see a P5 school playing at Furman, whether the P5 conference schedule is 18 or 20 games.
That is a great call-out. The last time Furman hosted a power conference opponent was on December 30th, 1999, a 74-70 home loss to Clemson.

In the last 5 years, their OOC home games have been, in order: Winthrop, North Greenville (non D1), USC Upstate, Columbia International (non D1), Southern Wesleyen (non D1), Loyola-Chicago, UNC-Wilmington, Charleston Southern, Western Carolina, Southern Wesleyen (non D1), North Georgia (non D1), Gardner Webb, Bob Jones (non D1), Montreat (non D1), South Carolina St., UNC Asheville, Tennessee Tech, Winthrop, Elon, Bob Jones (non D1), South Carolina St., Navy, Hiwassee (non D1), UNC Asheville, Trinity Baptist (non D1), Bluefield (non D1), Gardner Webb, Liberty, Piedmont International (non D1), Presbyterian.

There may be legitimate gripes about P5 scheduling, but Furman should not be one of them.
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One would think the uncertainty concerning the virus will very much impact scheduling the remaining open games for next season. My guess is that most teams will try to avoid long travel if possible. Would think you might see more regional games. URI right now has long travel OOC games at FGCU and WKU. The tournament it is participating in is just 50 miles away at Mohegan Sun. My guess is that last games will be against teams in the northeast. This likely means no high profile name in Kingston this year. The virus, declining finances, and near total roster turnover would seem to all combine for this strategy.
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.......does a game with a Vermont work? Even away?......
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RF1 wrote: 4 years ago One would think the uncertainty concerning the virus will very much impact scheduling the remaining open games for next season. My guess is that most teams will try to avoid long travel if possible. Would think you might see more regional games. URI right now has long travel OOC games at FGCU and WKU. The tournament it is participating in is just 50 miles away at Mohegan Sun. My guess is that last games will be against teams in the northeast. This likely means no high profile name in Kingston this year. The virus, declining finances, and near total roster turnover would seem to all combine for this strategy.
It's a good point, although the even bigger picture may be that with campuses debating whether or not they want to open for the fall semester, it's come out that no students on campus = no college sports. It's very possible that there is an abbreviated season, just how much is the question. Do students go back in January, and programs play January + February (conference schedule) + conference tournament + NCAA in March? Simple enough, but how do you fairly judge tournament teams without OOC games to set metrics? I'm guessing they'd play a reduced OOC (to be played in January, more local travel to maximize games), conference schedule (two months or so) from February - first week of April, conference tournament - 2nd week of April, NCAA Tournament (3rd/4th weeks of April and 1st week of May). Safest for the programs and fans. Something closer to normal anyway.
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This should be the year we play a home and home with PC. Let's bring that back
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