Jordan Hare's Roster Status: Back Out Again

Smokinjimit · Unread post by **Smokinjimit** » 10 years ago

Slow your roll Hal.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

My brother is in a class with Big O and asked if Jordan was coming back and the answer was yes. Just in case anyone wanted more reassurance

Mongo · Unread post by **Mongo** » 10 years ago

That's good news, any time frame?

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

Said big O wasn't sure but I'm sure the coaches know more than the players. Said for personal reason so no details there either

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 10 years ago

I get the feeling that Hare WANTS to come back. Reading between the lines one has to wonder if Hurley thinks his grades might prevent that or he is tired of and worried about all the drama and him not being able to be 100% committed.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Not sure it's as much an academic problem as a chemistry disruption
problem.
Although, missing weeks or months of school will put him behind the 8 ball
regardless of past grades.
Main question is, will this continue to be more of the same as long as he's at URI?
I think there's got to be a limit to the patience of the program.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

They stated he's still enrolled so I wonder if they've arranged with his profs where's he's doing work in Michigan

McRam · Unread post by **McRam** » 10 years ago

I think he might have been able to meet the drop classes deadline, in which case,and if ture, i am guessing no effect on academic status or apr

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

looks like he'll be back for 2nd semester, and no APR hit....good news

when he comes back he'll be playing limited minutes for sure, but his defense will help. More inside depth can't hurt.

CT Rhody · Unread post by **CT Rhody** » 10 years ago

How do you know for sure? Any word on a possible red shirt situation?

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 10 years ago

A redshirt year does not match up with him staying at Rhode Island.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Isn't a red shirt due to injury? Not the case here. Anyway, if this becomes an ongoing problem, it won't help much. Just getting thru the next 3 years looks like it will be a struggle for Hare.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 10 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:Isn't a red shirt due to injury? Not the case here. Anyway, if this becomes an ongoing problem, it won't help much. Just getting thru the next 3 years looks like it will be a struggle for Hare.

Redshirts can be given for personal reasons not having to do with physical injury. But like I said, a redshirt year does not match up with him staying at Rhode Island.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Only if his family problems would be over after this leave. Seriously doubt that, however.

Still, some Hare is better than no Hare.

bressler3south · Unread post by **bressler3south** » 10 years ago

Hear, hear!!!!!!!

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 10 years ago

I would be ok if he comes back 2nd semester, we do need athletic bigs

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:They stated he's still enrolled so I wonder if they've arranged with his profs where's he's doing work in Michigan

Many courses these days are on line. Even students living on campus in college can take On Line Courses and never have to physically show up at class. Not saying Jordan already had on line courses but it is much easier to do this type of thing in today's world.
Plenty of kids get their Master's Degrees from Major Universities with the entire degree on line.
Not sure what Jordan is majoring in or if he has selected a major yet.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

We go over the red-shirt vs medical hardship waiver thing every year on this board. The term "red-shirt" is used commonly to cover both situations (personal issues vs injuries mid-season).

However, a redshirt can only happen when a player does not play even one minute of one game in a season. So Hare can easily use a redshirt as long as he doesn't play 1 minute this year.

A medical hardship waiver can be used when an injury prevents the player from competing in most games/events in a season.

Where's 72 to explain it to us? Probably should just search this site to find the explanation from last year.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

ramster wrote:
Iggy1979 wrote:They stated he's still enrolled so I wonder if they've arranged with his profs where's he's doing work in Michigan
Many courses these days are on line. Even students living on campus in college can take On Line Courses and never have to physically show up at class. Not saying Jordan already had on line courses but it is much easier to do this type of thing in today's world.
Plenty of kids get their Master's Degrees from Major Universities with the entire degree on line.
Not sure what Jordan is majoring in or if he has selected a major yet.

It's not unusual in the case of a family emergency -- death of a parent, for instance -- where professors will allow students to keep up with classwork while missing classes. My guess is the team's academic advisor has worked this out for Hare. Otherwise, it would be nearly impossible for him to make up all the work later.
And if he keeps up with the work this semester and never returns to the team, that doesn't hurt the APR as much.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 10 years ago

I am thinking that Hare may be better off taking the year off to get his life in order and come back with 3 years of eligibility remaining. Big men mature late.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 10 years ago

If Hare leaves for a year he will never come back in my opinion.....if he stays with his academic courses and practices and becomes useful second semester this would be best for our team.........I can't state what would be best for the young man and his real life situation because I don't know enough about it to make a rational recommendation....

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 10 years ago

I hope he comes back, just for his academic/future sake. I can't imagine stopping classes for a while then jumping back and trying to focus.

Plus we could certainly use the spark he'd bring.

Ramtastico · Unread post by **Ramtastico** » 10 years ago

He is gone. The best we can hope is he completes this semester for the team's APR sake. That's the staff's focus now.
Wish him well, glad I did not have a kid in college and he/she lived 1000 miles away.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Ramtastico wrote:He is gone. The best we can hope is he completes this semester for the team's APR sake. That's the staff's focus now.
Wish him well, glad I did not have a kid in college and he/she lived 1000 miles away.

So, you're saying he's not coming back?

Ramtastico · Unread post by **Ramtastico** » 10 years ago

Never say never, but can't see it happening except to possibly finish up semester work.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

I think the recruiting of a big who will be a junior next year speaks volumes

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

it was originally stated that he would remain a full time student, so why question it

RoadyJay · Unread post by **RoadyJay** » 10 years ago

I don't understand those that wish to make definitive statements about his status and present nothing to back up those statements

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 10 years ago

you don't replace a 6'10 center with a 6'7 forward

Ramtastico · Unread post by **Ramtastico** » 10 years ago

Sorry, can't disclose where I got it. He could change his mind but the people that are involved are now trying to get him to finish courses. Not in bball plans anymore.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

That was the feeling I got two weeks ago at The Alpine event, but then Hare tweeted something about being
reunited with his teammates.
The soap opera without end.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Let's just hope he finishes this semester's work, and transfers somewhere close to home. I'm sure the staff will help him out in that regard.

In the short run, the loss of Hare hurts, in the long run [next year and beyond] not so much, with Watson and possibly others coming in.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

But I thought a player transferring would be very bad for us too?

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

I think it matters based on what happens after they transfer?

If they enroll elsewhere, it's OK, if they quit school entirely it's bad? Not sure.

jcru · Unread post by **jcru** » 10 years ago

You know, it's a good thing Calhoun is gone. He had three McD All Americans transferring out of UConn on a yearly basis.

UConn would never see the light of day under these new rules. Now, we are worried about one player leaving.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 10 years ago

I still want him back

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 10 years ago

Rhodymob05 wrote:you don't replace a 6'10 center with a 6'7 forward

My understanding is Watson will take Hare's scholarship next semester and URI is looking to use 2 other scholarships on a guard and a wing.
If Hare leaves in good academic standing that softens the blow on APR.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

Makes sense Iggy.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:
Rhodymob05 wrote:you don't replace a 6'10 center with a 6'7 forward
My understanding is Watson will take Hare's scholarship next semester and URI is looking to use 2 other scholarships on a guard and a wing.
If Hare leaves in good academic standing that softens the blow on APR.

So, Watson will be here in January. Does he play this year? Is he eligible to play this year?

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Watson will enroll in January and play next year.
He will have two years eligibility.
The APR is still a big deal,especially if people leaving
didn't complete their classroom work.
It's why they wanted Outerbridge to graduate.
It's a juggling act. I'll be glad when we're in the clear,
and can take chances like many other programs do.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Iggy1979 wrote:
Rhodymob05 wrote:you don't replace a 6'10 center with a 6'7 forward
My understanding is Watson will take Hare's scholarship next semester and URI is looking to use 2 other scholarships on a guard and a wing.
If Hare leaves in good academic standing that softens the blow on APR.

Good info, Iggy. Thanks for clarifying.

So, everyone is mentioning APR. Does the school take a hit even if Hare completes all his academic obligations this semester and chooses to withdraw/transfer from school? I would think if he transfers to another institution and all academics are in good standing (no loss of eligibility, other than normal transfer year-in-residence), URI would take no APR hit.

I wish there was a great APR explanation somewhere. I admit, I haven't really looked, but haven't seen one either.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

Does anyone understand the APR? It's more complicated than
Obamacare.
Is there an NCAA document that lays out the guidelines?
I've heard so many different versions of what it deals with, like rolling 4 year averages,
but how that affects players coming and going, seems a mystery.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Does anyone understand the APR? It's more complicated than
Obamacare.
Is there an NCAA document that lays out the guidelines?
I've heard so many different versions of what it deals with, like rolling 4 year averages,
but how that affects players coming and going, seems a mystery.

It's not too bad. Every player gets a point for being eligible and being in school. Per academic term. So, if you have 13 scholarship players, you would have 26 points per semester available. Say one leaves school early while academically eligible and one leaves school while being academically ineligible, you would lose a total of three points. 23/26 or 884 (not good) would be your APR for that term. They average all of your APRs over four years to get your total APR score.

RoadyJay · Unread post by **RoadyJay** » 10 years ago

From wikipedia

"The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date. Compiling college athletes’graduation rates stemmed partly from press coverage that 76 to 92 percent of professional athletes lacked college degrees and from revelations that some were functionally illiterate.[14] In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams."

RoadyJay · Unread post by **RoadyJay** » 10 years ago

Also from the NCAA website:

"Do student-athletes who leave school early to go pro hurt their teams’ APR? If a student-athlete is in good academic standing and leaves school early to pursue a professional career, the team is not penalized with a loss of APR points. But if a student-athlete in poor academic standing leaves early, his or her team loses two points, making it harder for the team’s APR to recover."

Per the last post one would assume this also applies to transfers, they just need to be in good academic standing when they transfer.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 10 years ago

OK, so if Hare leaves and doesn't transfer, we take a hit.
If he's not in good standing, we take a bigger hit.
Sounds like we have cause to be concerned.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 10 years ago

The difference between him being academically OK and not, is huge. Losing one point is far better than losing three.

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

rambone 78 wrote:The difference between him being academically OK and not, is huge. Losing one point is far better than losing three.

It might have been better if he left over the summer? Not exactly sure how that works but I imagine taking incompletes or fails and then leaving would not be great whereas I am assuming he was in good standing after the spring semester. Water under the bridge, I guess.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 10 years ago

Wait, why does it matter if he transfers or not? I may be a little slow this morning.

I was thinking if Hare were to complete his academic responsibilities this semester and leave school, isn't that his choice? Can schools hold a student at school against their will if they decide to leave following the successful completion of a semester? In this case, if Hare finished all his Fall classes OK, then left and did not enroll in school ever again due to personal issues, why would URI be penalized?

There's only so much URI is legally allowed to do to help with "personal issues". They can only do so much while they are enrolled and in class.

To me, the penalties come when the following happens:

1) student remains enrolled, but performs poorly in class and becomes ineligible to play (loss of a point)
2) student leaves school without completing semester's academic requirements, thus in "bad-standing" (loss of point which would also combine with #1 above for total of 2pts lost, since you would lose eligibility)

Gonebarongone · Unread post by **Gonebarongone** » 10 years ago

Not sure why they did it that way but that's the way the rule is.