NET 2019-2020 Season

[ramster]

Toppin is not a Lottery pick. will go mid to late first round. Lets be real here.

Friendly wager?

Toppin has moved from #6 to #4 in the NBADraft.net Mock Draft from just 2 days ago.

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https://www.nbadraft.net/

[reef]

Melo said tonight he is resting until the draft

[Running Ram]

Melo said tonight he is resting until the draft

reef, is this a real thing? lol can't be
How does not competing at a high level for the team your on help your draft position?

[TruePoint]

There is zero chance the LaMelo Ball ends up being good.

[wpbrown8267]

Toppin is not a Lottery pick. will go mid to late first round. Lets be real here.

Friendly wager?

Guess you haven’t been watching the draft boards, he’s a consensus top 10 pick

[Joe95]

There is zero chance the LaMelo Ball ends up being good.

This is a wild take, kid is going to be better than his brother ever could be.

[PeterRamTime]

Rhody NET up to 62 after NT WKU wins.

[TruePoint]

There is zero chance the LaMelo Ball ends up being good.

This is a wild take, kid is going to be better than his brother ever could be.

Nobody from that crazy ass family will end up being worth a shit at anything or there is no meaning in the universe. They aren’t wired right.

[reef]

Melo said tonight he is resting until the draft

reef, is this a real thing? lol can't be
How does not competing at a high level for the team your on help your draft position?

I believe he hurt his foot and was going to be out a month so I guess LaVar made a business decision and thinks it’s best not to risk further injury and dropping his draft slot. He is slated to go top 3 so maybe not the worst decision for him ???

[rhodyruckus]

There is zero chance the LaMelo Ball ends up being good.

This is a wild take, kid is going to be better than his brother ever could be.

Nobody from that crazy ass family will end up being worth a shit at anything or there is no meaning in the universe. They aren’t wired right.

Hate to tell you, but there is no meaning in the universe. Lonzo is already a *competent* player in the league playing 30 mins/game. No way he was worthy of a 2nd pick like his brother is projected at, but he'll get $100 million+ playing ball by the time his career is over.

The amazing thing with Lonzo is how close his 3pt & FT spread is: 35% three & 51% FT this season. (Last year was actually 33% three / 42% FT.) That's one record he could break haha. A good rule of thumb is usually FT % is an indicator of how a player's 3-point shooting will compare to league average, but not in this case.

[reef]

Lonzo is playing better of late will be fun to watch him and Zion play together

Melo I think will be the better player than Zo

How’s Gelo doing ?? I haven’t watched Ball in the family lately ??

[Rhody Guy]

Toppin is not a Lottery pick. will go mid to late first round. Lets be real here.

Friendly wager?

I'd buy you a beer at a game next year. I could very well be wrong but I could see him being a guy that slides on draft day.

[Running Ram]

Toppin is not a Lottery pick. will go mid to late first round. Lets be real here.

Friendly wager?

I'd buy you a beer at a game next year. I could very well be wrong but I could see him being a guy that slides on draft day.

I don't drink beer, I drink Zima
Joking, sounds good, you're on. I get 1-10 and you get 11 and beyond.

[reef]

I would bet a beer he gets drafted top 10

[Rhodymob05]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

[URI_05]

I’d love it if the Knicks end up with Obi. A big wo can actually shoot.

[ramster]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

[UCH21377]

I’d love it if the Knicks end up with Obi. A big wo can actually shoot.

If I was Obi I would want to go anywhere but there.

[PeterRamTime]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

We might not have been punished so much as jumped over by Arizona State who beat Utah by 19.

[PeterRamTime]

I dont think this has been posted anywhere.

Within it is a PDF breaking down each teams NET.

It shows the record verses quadrants one through four.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/_l ... FCCState=1

[SmartyBarrett]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

I'm actually pretty happy they only dropped one spot. Was expecting it to be worse.

[Rhody83]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

[steveystuds06]

There is zero chance the LaMelo Ball ends up being good.

This is a wild take, kid is going to be better than his brother ever could be.

Nobody from that crazy ass family will end up being worth a shit at anything or there is no meaning in the universe. They aren’t wired right.

Lonzo has been playing great since he returned from his injury. He's averaging 17ppg, 9 ast, and 8 rebs in his last 10. He's also the best on ball defender I've seen on the team.

He's been nothing but respectful to his fans, teammates, and the sport. Just because their dad is a self centered prick doesn't mean they are.

I don't know enough about Lamelo to give an honest opinion, but he certainly looks like a top 5 pick.

As for Rhody I really want to kick Duquesne's ass. The schedule that have played is ridiculous.

[TruePoint]

I actually agree on Lonzo - he’s a solid player although I’m thankful every day that the Lakers didn’t take Tatum there.

I don’t get how we can say LaMelo “looks like” a top-5 pick, though, since he played 12 games in Australia which is not even one of the truly great international leagues. If he played a full season in Germany or Spain and was an MVP candidate I would say fine, even though he went and played overseas instead of in college like a coward who is likely either trying to hide something about his game or is too much of a moron to keep himself eligible and follow the rules for 4 months. To Lonzo’s credit, even though his dad is a first class dope he had a pretty conventional arc to his career before he got to the NBA; with the other ones they are doing all this weird weasely stuff going to play over here or over there, starting their own league or whatever the hell that was, trying to get their dumb show on TV...I don’t know it’s just hard to take them seriously and I assume it’s all marketing hype until I see him prove against real competition with my own eyes.

[theblueram]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

pc lost and went up 5.

[TruePoint]

Because they played a good team close on the road. The ranking systems aren’t perfect but they do make some kind of sense. It isn’t just random.

[Billyboy78]

So, if we would have won this game by 10 or more, what happens?

[adam914]

So, if we would have won this game by 10 or more, what happens?

Honestly, probably not much. While we don't know the complete calculations they use, I doubt that the margin of victory is weighed so heavily that a different margin of victory in one game like this would change the ranking dramatically.

[Obadiah]

If you play a team with a NET in the 180 range like La Salle, you lose by that mere fact. It is the rationale behind why the conference re-schedules the double pairings every three years so to pair the best teams to maximize the quality games played. PC, for example, in contrast plays five games in a row against ranked teams and that helps their NET especially if they win or don't lose in a blow out. In the past we were saddled with playing Fordham twice.

[TruePoint]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

They weren't necessarily punished. With NET, we don't see the raw score they use to rank teams, but theoretically your raw score could improve slightly and you could move down in the ranking because teams behind you dramatically increased their raw score.

If you play a team with a NET in the 180 range like La Salle, you lose by that mere fact. It is the rationale behind why the conference re-schedules the double pairings every three years so to pair the best teams to maximize the quality games played. PC, for example, in contrast plays five games in a row against ranked teams and that helps their NET especially if they win or don't lose in a blow out. In the past we were saddled with playing Fordham twice.

This is true to an extent, but not nearly to the same degree as it was during the RPI era. With RPI, if you play a bad team it doesn't matter how you play or how easily you handle them - it treats a 1 point win the same as a 30 point win. At least with NET, you can mitigate the impact of playing bad teams by crushing them since they are taking efficiency into account. This goes the other way, also - RPI awarded you for just scheduling a good team; NET will not reward you if you play a good team and get killed. This partially explains the difference between URI's very good RPI and decent NET rankings this season - their games against Maryland and LSU are worth a lot more for RPI than they are worth for NET because of how they performed in those games.

[ramster]

With the win , URI moves from 61 to 62. I know the system is what it is but it’s totally criminal to punish a team for winning.

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

The NET factors in winning margin up to a max of 10 points. If you win by 20, or 80 it’s capped at 10.

BUT my point was we only won by 3. We should have won by more based on ODDs from 10 to 11.5 points. We underachieved.

So we left NET potential in the table - how many? That info is

My response was to a poster who felt our NET did not move as much as poster hoped or expected.

[RamStock]

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

The NET factors in winning margin up to a max of 10 points. If you win by 20, or 80 it’s capped at 10.

BUT my point was we only won by 3. We should have won by more based on ODDs from 10 to 11.5 points. We underachieved.

So we left NET potential in the table - how many? That info is

My response was to a poster who felt our NET did not move as much as poster hoped or expected.

I don’t think moving a couple spots one way or the other in the NET matters as much as some people think. Win the games in front of them and things will work itself out.

[ramster]

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

The NET factors in winning margin up to a max of 10 points. If you win by 20, or 80 it’s capped at 10.

BUT my point was we only won by 3. We should have won by more based on ODDs from 10 to 11.5 points. We underachieved.

So we left NET potential in the table - how many? That info is

My response was to a poster who felt our NET did not move as much as poster hoped or expected.

I don’t think moving a couple spots one way or the other in the NET matters as much as some people think. Win the games in front of them and things will work itself out.

You are right, I agree, It doesn’t matter.

What matters now is finishing at least 3rd in the A10 and getting at the very least to the Semifinals of the A10 Tournament.

Nothing less.

[Rhody Guy]

Friendly wager?

I'd buy you a beer at a game next year. I could very well be wrong but I could see him being a guy that slides on draft day.

I don't drink beer, I drink Zima
Joking, sounds good, you're on. I get 1-10 and you get 11 and beyond.

You will have to remember because I definitely will not.

[PeterRamTime]

With tonight's results we should see our NET rise into the 50's.

Texas 59
UVA 60
URI 61

Should at least be 59 with those teams losing and NT's win.

The more we take care of business the more things will take care of itself.

[reef]

Nice let’s get into the 50s then hopefully the 40s soon thereafter

[Rhodymob05]

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[rjsuperfly66]

But favored to win by 11.5, betting lines drop to 10 by game day and you squeak by with a 3 point win.

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

The NET factors in winning margin up to a max of 10 points. If you win by 20, or 80 it’s capped at 10.

BUT my point was we only won by 3. We should have won by more based on ODDs from 10 to 11.5 points. We underachieved.

So we left NET potential in the table - how many? That info is

My response was to a poster who felt our NET did not move as much as poster hoped or expected.

I just wanted to point out that is not entirely true.

Yes, you are correct, MOV is capped at 10 points.

Net efficiency is uncapped.

So if you beat a team by 25 points, you get the MOV cap of 10 points with a roughly 25 point net efficiency gain.

If you beat a team by 3 points, you get a MOV of +3 points and a roughly +3 net efficiency gain.

That's a simplistic way of looking at it but thought it should be pointed out. You are right, who knows the overall impact of one game. Teams that fail to beat bad opponents by a lot feel this the most.

[ramster]

The NET doesn’t factor in the betting line. It does factor in winning by 10 or more which Rhody should have done yesterday.
Their ranking isn’t in a vacuum. Richmond jumped Rhody with a 10 point road win at G Mason.

The NET factors in winning margin up to a max of 10 points. If you win by 20, or 80 it’s capped at 10.

BUT my point was we only won by 3. We should have won by more based on ODDs from 10 to 11.5 points. We underachieved.

So we left NET potential in the table - how many? That info is

My response was to a poster who felt our NET did not move as much as poster hoped or expected.

I just wanted to point out that is not entirely true.

Yes, you are correct, MOV is capped at 10 points.

Net efficiency is uncapped.

So if you beat a team by 25 points, you get the MOV cap of 10 points with a roughly 25 point net efficiency gain.

If you beat a team by 3 points, you get a MOV of +3 points and a roughly +3 net efficiency gain.

That's a simplistic way of looking at it but thought it should be pointed out. You are right, who knows the overall impact of one game. Teams that fail to beat bad opponents by a lot feel this the most.

RJ,
WIN BY 3 get MOV +3 points, win by 8 get MOV +8 points. Win by 10 get MOV 10 points but win by 50 still get MOV 10, right?

They there is the efficiency, impact on top, right? But we don’t necessarily know how that impacts to what degree

[rjsuperfly66]

Correct, Ramster. The difference is that we know efficiency is the 2nd most weighted NET metric, while MOV is #5 (last). It can make the effects of efficiency drastically more important, and consistently winning and dominating bad teams is going to have a big efficiency impact versus consistently winning and "squeaking" by bad teams. Just quickly running numbers, URI has a net efficiency of + .061. St. Louis has a net efficiency of + .092. Richmond has a net efficiency of + .108. Duquesne has a net efficiency of +.164. The effects of one game is smallish. The effects of many games can be impactful.

This is a more simplistic way of looking at it, but URI playing LIU, Nicholls St., Manhattan, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Brown, St. Joseph's, and LaSalle to a MOV of +59 over 8 games (+7.38 points) hurts efficiency greatly, and in terms of NET credit, they also only get credit for +5.13 MOV in those games. You could also look at it this way, they beat MTSU by 27 points. In their other 7 games against "bad" teams, they outscored them by a combined 32 points (4.57 points).

*Someone please double-check that math in this section, I had a rough time with that*

[KevanBoyles]

52 NET. Nice jump.

[sevegny7]

Duquesne dropped from 55 to 73 in NET. As was assumed based on weak schedule and getting blown out.

[sevegny7]

Alabama also moved up to 38 with their win last night. They are slowly approaching Q1 territory

[PeterRamTime]

52 is pretty sweet.

Gone from 90 to 52 in two and a half weeks.

Duquesne dropping 18 is crazy! Keep that top 75 by the end of the year Duquesne. We want that Q2 now friends

[TruePoint]

Not that anyone cares anymore, or that it really matters, but URI’s RPI is now 22. For completeness, Sagarin is 62 and BPI is 64, to go along with its 59 KenPom and 52 NET.

[RhodyKyle]

Not that anyone cares anymore, or that it really matters, but URI’s RPI is now 22. For completeness, Sagarin is 62 and BPI is 64, to go along with its 59 KenPom and 52 NET.

Just for reference, I went back the last 3 tournaments to look at teams who were ranked (on selection sunday) similarly to where Rhody is ranked right now (using Kenpom).

2019:
ASU, ranked 61, was an 11 seed (play-in game)
Seton Hall, ranked 55, 10 seed
Belmont, ranked 54, 11 seed (play-in game)

2018:
Syracuse, ranked 54, 11 seed (play-in game)

2017:
PC, ranked 56, 11 seed (play-in game)
USC, ranked 61, 11 seed (play-in game)

Point being, URI is in striking distance.

[ElmCityRhody]

52 NET. Nice jump.

oh man, this is great

but also will give me MAJOR AGITA come game day saturday

let's goooooooooooo !

[ATPTourFan]

First Four is a great opportunity to earn 2 NCAA credits This year.

[RF1]

Duquesne dropped 18 spots for losing a game it was an underdog in at an opponent with a similar NET. That is a pretty harsh fall for such a loss.

[sevegny7]

Again the lack of strength of schedule and quality wins forces the changes in duquesne when they lose to be so drastic. They dont have a VCU road win or Alabama win to stabilize the metrics a little bit after a lose.