Brayon Freeman Dismissed from Team
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Well OK then…
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Guess I’m out on the highest scorer contest too
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Guess I’m out on the highest scorer contest too
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Re: Brayon Freeman
COLOSSAL failure.
I’m not putting 100% blame on Freeman, however.
Most of it? Yes.
Archie needs some blame as well.
I’m not putting 100% blame on Freeman, however.
Most of it? Yes.
Archie needs some blame as well.
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You want to build a culture where attitude is everything, you can't keep putting up with one player's bullshit.It's too bad, but it didn't look like Bray was going to change.
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Geez man. Not a great look for anyone here…
Disappointed in Brayon though.
Disappointed in Brayon though.
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Re: Brayon Freeman
Additional by subtraction, the distance between his ears just seemed to be to far to go.
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Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
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Would’ve probably happened to the twins if they stayed here as well and I don’t understand why people wanted them back
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Re: Brayon Freeman
He just wasn't willing to conform. From the little things like tucking in his shirt (refs got on him every game for this) to just not being a team player. Too bad. This is definitely on the coaching staff too. They brought the kid in. I doubt he just decided to act the way he did because he was here. There had to be some of the same issues at GW. He was supposed to be a cornerstone of the rebuild. The rest of this season is going to be a fan's nightmare. Archie has a lot to accomplish before next November.
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Freeman's response sounds like hes taking at least a portion of the blame. Archie and Bray were like oil and water from the beginning. Not sure there was anything that could have helped the situation. Sucks, but this isn't going to derail our NCAA chances this season. Archie will get it right.
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Why? For taking a chance on a talented yet undisciplined player who could be great if he fell in line with a system and team mentality? Arch took a shot on this kid's insane ceiling combined with his flight risk. It didn't pan out.
Yeah, obviously the kid is one of our most talented players - potentially with the most upside - but what does that mean if he can't control it or use it in a way that helps the team?
He's Fatts Russell. Not talented enough to win it on his own (see: our record, his drives to nowhere and subsequent turnovers), though he shows flashes of insane brilliance that frustrate you when he follows it up with selfish plays to nowhere.
He needed to get in line and leverage his greatness to help the team. Now, we're so depleted for talent that his hero ball attempts are potentially our 3rd or 4th best scoring option out of the halfcourt - but this year doesn't matter.
Archie coached this kid hard because he knew if we were going to go anywhere it was going to be with Bray's talent in line with Archie's system.
It sucks now - but get this out of the way. I don't want to be 2 more years down the road with this kid finding out he can't stop playing selfish and preventing us from becoming a team capable of winning.
However. This sucks in the near term. It means we see nothing but Sebastian Thomas and I contemplate drinking a bleach sundae.
If you need me I'll be blasting Cian Ducrot songs crying in the fetal position on the floor of my shower.
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The blame on Archie is that he didn’t see any of these red flags in his vetting. Remember we likely took Bray over Diggins at Umass.
But Bray’s play on the court was almost uncoachable at times. And his body language even worse. He’s a talented player but it will take a special coach to get the most out of him.
But Bray’s play on the court was almost uncoachable at times. And his body language even worse. He’s a talented player but it will take a special coach to get the most out of him.
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I feel like we don't know the whole story... He was probably being a massive pain in the ass after that game to be removed from the team.
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Yup, that’s why Archie needs be blamed a bit.bigappleram wrote: ↑1 year ago The blame on Archie is that he didn’t see any of these red flags in his vetting. Remember we likely took Bray over Diggins at Umass.
But Bray’s play on the court was almost uncoachable at times. And his body language even worse. He’s a talented player but it will take a special coach to get the most out of him.
He is in charge of every aspect in this program from the top down.
Not giving him one iota of blame is still being in the “Archie can do no wrong” camp, which I assume has less and less people in it each day.
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not shocked at all...Did think he would make it thru the end of the season but enough is enough.
Time to move on.
There will be a lot of players in the portal wanting the opportunity and privilege to play for URI MBB, Coach Miller, The Fans and attend the URI!!!!
Time to move on.
There will be a lot of players in the portal wanting the opportunity and privilege to play for URI MBB, Coach Miller, The Fans and attend the URI!!!!
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Definitely sets back the rebuilding.Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 year ago Freeman's response sounds like hes taking at least a portion of the blame. Archie and Bray were like oil and water from the beginning. Not sure there was anything that could have helped the situation. Sucks, but this isn't going to derail our NCAA chances this season. Archie will get it right.
Remember, this was a preseason all conference player. Very very talented and leaves a huge void.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This isn't normal... Something else happened after that game.KingstonLane wrote: ↑1 year ago Mid season dismissal isn’t very common without a fairly significant issue
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Well never be able to fully distribute blame without knowing the specifics. So I’ll reserve judgement.bigappleram wrote: ↑1 year ago The blame on Archie is that he didn’t see any of these red flags in his vetting. Remember we likely took Bray over Diggins at Umass.
But Bray’s play on the court was almost uncoachable at times. And his body language even worse. He’s a talented player but it will take a special coach to get the most out of him.
But that being said, the landscape college basketball has changed a lot with the transfer portal since Archie was successful at Dayton. He can no doubt coach, but part of coaching is also assembling the roster.
In his first swing at the transfer portal he’s now fully missed on 2 big transfer additions with neither Freeman or Harris making it through a single season. And the two he has remaining on the team (Weston and Tchikou) have left a lot to be desired.
Again, far too early to lose faith on the vision here, but those are frustrating early hiccups to this rebuild
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There was no way Bray was going to be on this team after this season. Might as well rip the band aid off now.
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There will be a young player in the portal with just as much talent and a much better attitude. Looking forward to see who that player is.
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The rest of this season needs to be what can Weston, Hutchinson, Stewart and Tchikou be going forward. Forget Harris. That can't really be possible at this point for next year can it? If it looks like these guys can't help in the future tear it down and start over except for Ish (need him to stay) and attack the portal mixing it with youth. Let's see how good our coaching staff really is in the recruiting game.
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Or it's a blessing in disguise... Sure, very talented player, but a good teammate that fits Archie's system? Idk.Rhody15 wrote: ↑1 year agoDefinitely sets back the rebuilding.Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 year ago Freeman's response sounds like hes taking at least a portion of the blame. Archie and Bray were like oil and water from the beginning. Not sure there was anything that could have helped the situation. Sucks, but this isn't going to derail our NCAA chances this season. Archie will get it right.
Remember, this was a preseason all conference player. Very very talented and leaves a huge void.
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Blue Man wrote: ↑1 year agoWhy? For taking a chance on a talented yet undisciplined player who could be great if he fell in line with a system and team mentality? Arch took a shot on this kid's insane ceiling combined with his flight risk. It didn't pan out.
Yeah, obviously the kid is one of our most talented players - potentially with the most upside - but what does that mean if he can't control it or use it in a way that helps the team?
He's Fatts Russell. Not talented enough to win it on his own (see: our record, his drives to nowhere and subsequent turnovers), though he shows flashes of insane brilliance that frustrate you when he follows it up with selfish plays to nowhere.
He needed to get in line and leverage his greatness to help the team. Now, we're so depleted for talent that his hero ball attempts are potentially our 3rd or 4th best scoring option out of the halfcourt - but this year doesn't matter.
Archie coached this kid hard because he knew if we were going to go anywhere it was going to be with Bray's talent in line with Archie's system.
It sucks now - but get this out of the way. I don't want to be 2 more years down the road with this kid finding out he can't stop playing selfish and preventing us from becoming a team capable of winning.
However. This sucks in the near term. It means we see nothing but Sebastian Thomas and I contemplate drinking a bleach sundae.
If you need me I'll be blasting Cian Ducrot songs crying in the fetal position on the floor of my shower.
I’ll pray for you BlueMan becuase we might have to deal with Bassy for another year
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I don’t disagree, 15. There are 2 sides to every coin. That said, is there anything you know or heard that would validate your post or just your opinion based on observation from game interaction.
I am curious because I like to file this type of info away in case similar situations arise in the future - not that I expect they will.
Also, to all KB member, for my own edification, has Arch had similar issues at IU or Dayton? I can’t recall any off the top of my head.
ETA: 15, me not fully knowing the particulars of the situation I can’t agree with the “colossal” part of your post although, I do agree with you overall message.
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Wonder if there will be any other player fall-out after the season.
Hope not, at least for the players we want to stay.
Also remember Bray and Ish are close friends, have known each other since 6th grade, and played AAU together.
Hope not, at least for the players we want to stay.
Also remember Bray and Ish are close friends, have known each other since 6th grade, and played AAU together.
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Except Ish listens to the coach, has a good attitude, and doesn't bitch on twitter about the coach lol
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+100Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
Saw this one coming unfortunately. Home opener and I was getting my first glimpse of the squad. Couldn't help but notice Freeman constantly up on the bench, turned around and interacting with what appeared to be family/friends. It was essentially him showing his displeasure for not getting into the game (shrugging, shaking his head, etc). I'm by no means saying the kid can't be annoyed/frustrated, but that shows a big lack of maturity to be dealing with it in that manner (especially with it being one of the first games of the year).
It's unfortunate, and while we certainly need his scoring in the short term, it certainly doesn't outweigh the long-term downsides with him (inconsistent/lazy defense, hero ball and a what appears to be a general attitude problem in multiple areas, which will undoubtedly cause issues with the team chemistry and coaches). Best of luck Bray. Onward and upward, Rhody!
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Yes very different personalities.RhodyRams916 wrote: ↑1 year agoExcept Ish listens to the coach, has a good attitude, and doesn't bitch on twitter about the coach lol
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This right here ^^^spar wrote: ↑1 year ago+100Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
Saw this one coming unfortunately. Home opener and I was getting my first glimpse of the squad. Couldn't help but notice Freeman constantly up on the bench, turned around and interacting with what appeared to be family/friends. It was essentially him showing his displeasure for not getting into the game (shrugging, shaking his head, etc). I'm by no means saying the kid can't be annoyed/frustrated, but that shows a big lack of maturity to be dealing with it in that manner (especially with it being one of the first games of the year).
It's unfortunate, and while we certainly need his scoring in the short term, it certainly doesn't outweigh the long-term downsides with him (inconsistent/lazy defense, hero ball and a what appears to be a general attitude problem in multiple areas, which will undoubtedly cause issues with the team chemistry and coaches). Best of luck Bray. Onward and upward, Rhody!
Keeping him on the team, even if he's really talented, could be a big problem long-term. You don't want a toxic locker room.
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He absolutely shouldn’t accept insubordination.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
But freeman didn’t end up here by accident, Archie recruited him. Same with Harris.
Coach is also accountable for the guys he brings in
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Hate to say it but this staff has not lived up to its reputation as recruiters. Of the 8 players they brought in do any excite you?
Must do much better with 2nd class.
Must do much better with 2nd class.
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They were also KJ recruitsKingstonLane wrote: ↑1 year agoHe absolutely shouldn’t accept insubordination.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
But freeman didn’t end up here by accident, Archie recruited him. Same with Harris.
Coach is also accountable for the guys he brings in
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This is the equivalent of:
No one is above the Law.
There is a new Sheriff in town, and incessant bitching need not apply.
No one is above the Law.
There is a new Sheriff in town, and incessant bitching need not apply.
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Not boxing out FT shooter in last game mightve been last straw.
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Yea I don’t mean to be singling out Archie. Whole coaching staff is responsible. Archie is the head coach though and ultimately gets to say yes or no to everything.Jersey77 wrote: ↑1 year agoThey were also KJ recruitsKingstonLane wrote: ↑1 year agoHe absolutely shouldn’t accept insubordination.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 year ago Why should Archie take some of the blame? Should he just accept insubordination? Is that how things go in 2023?
But freeman didn’t end up here by accident, Archie recruited him. Same with Harris.
Coach is also accountable for the guys he brings in
A leader has to both accept accountability has much as they get to relish in victory
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