LMAO. It could be worse. We could be Bonnies fans. This is embarrassing.
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wow....hysterical...Blue Man wrote: ↑1 month ago LMAO. It could be worse. We could be Bonnies fans. This is embarrassing.
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The SBU AD was forced into resigning because of the NIT incident. This was a big deal for the Bonnie's with their community talking a lot about it
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Kinda...pathetic that they got their AD fired over the freaking NIT. C'mon.
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This article by Chuck Pollock of the Wellsville Sun will help you understand. I’m posting the entire article to make it easier.
Pollock: St. Bonaventure made every excuse not to play in the NIT except the eclipse
March 21, 2024
A column by CHUCK POLLOCK, Senior Sports Columnist
Maybe we should just blame ESPN and let it go.
After all, it was the self-proclaimed “World-Wide Leader” which revealed earlier this week that St. Bonaventure was one of 17 schools to turn down bids to the National Invitational Tournament.
My first reaction was total incredulity … had Bona’s basketball program become so arrogant that it would say “No thanks” to a tournament that had provided it with one of the two crowning moments in the University’s hoops history?
After the 1970 NCAAs, ruined by Bob Lanier’s disastrous absence due to a season-ending knee injury, winning the 1977 NIT was St. Bonaventure’s shining badge of national legitimacy.
But there was more than that. The Bonnies have been to the nation’s oldest post-season basketball tourney a dozen times, most recently in 2022 when they won three straight road games to earn the semifinals at Madison Square Garden. However Bona’s history with the NIT dates to the 50s when, between 1951 and ‘60 it was a six-time participant earning a national reputation while playing in the media spotlight of New York City.
My mind was spinning. If ESPN was right, St. Bonaventure was the only mid-major to reject a bid. The others — Arizona State, Cal, Florida State, Indiana, Maryland, Memphis, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Oregon State, Pitt, St. John’s, Stanford, Syracuse, UCLA, USC and Washington — are all major schools from power conferences in which half their teams make the NCAAs every year. For those schools to decline a bid to a lesser tournament happens every year. But St. Bonaventure passing up a chance to extend its season was particularly curious given that four fellow Atlantic 10 members — Richmond, Virginia Commonwealth, Loyola-Chicago and Saint Joseph’s — didn’t feel they were above the NIT and gladly accepted an invitation.
GIVEN THE immediate outraged blowback on social media, St. Bonaventure tried an immediate bid for damage control. But this is a school which handles uncomfortable news about its men’s basketball team with the touch of a blacksmith.
Sometimes it’s little things such as the status of injured players or disciplinary actions but once it was during the biggest national blight ever to hit the program, the Bob Wickenheiser/Jamil Terrell welding scandal.
Athletic director Joe Manhertz engaged in an attempt at damage-control that former Times Herald Bonnies’ beat reporter J.P. Butler called “a five-paragraph release that seemed lacking at best and disingenuous at worst.”
It read, “We understand that ESPN posted a graphic regarding the selection of the NIT Tournament field on air Tuesday night.
“Reaching the NCAA Tournament is the goal for St. Bonaventure basketball each year. We unfortunately came up short of that goal. Considering the logistics of what would have been an NIT road game, we made the proactive decision Sunday afternoon to inform the NIT selection committee of our concerns regarding roster uncertainty given injury and the transfer portal that would have left us at a competitive disadvantage. Together, athletics department administration and the coaching staff made the decision in the best interest of our student-athletes.
“No invitation was extended prior to our conversation with the NIT committee. We respect the NIT and not only its history overall, but what the tournament has meant to our program. We look forward to future postseason competition.”
Yada, yada, yada.
It seems clear enough, Bona didn’t reject a bid, because it wasn’t offered one as it had contacted the NIT Committee and asked not to be considered.
But here’s the reason for skepticism.
After Duquesne eliminated the Bonnies in Saturday’s A-10 Tournament semifinals, coach Mark Schmidt was asked if his team’s 20-13 record was good enough to earn an NIT bid.
Here was his response: “Hopefully. Who knows? “I don’t know what they think, but we won 20 games. I’ve been here 17 years, and I think we’ve only done that five other times. This was the sixth time that we won 20 games. So we had a good year. It was up and down. The last game never defines you.”
Does that sound like a coach who, the next day, through Manhertz, would be asking his team be removed from consideration?
In defending the decision, the third-year AD threw several factors at the wall … injuries, short roster, a first-round road game and three players entering the transfer portal. Everything but advance preparation for the eclipse.
Yet I wonder.
Clearly Schmidt was onboard with taking a bid, did he change his mind in less than 24 hours? Center Noel Brown was hurt against Duquesne but it didn’t seem severe and and Bona’s top eight players were hardly a M*A*S*H unit. Then, too, historically players relish performing in the postseason no matter how banged up they are.
Then there’s the three players who entered the transfer portal — Barry Evans, Kyrell Luc and Melian Martinez — did they know Bona opted out of the NIT before they applied to the portal? And even if they didn’t, what would have stopped them from completing the (post)season with their current team?
Manhertz’s contention about a road game in the face of those alleged injuries is embarrassingly lame. Two months after he took the job in 2022, the Bonnies won those three straight road games to make the NIT semifinals in New York.
Supposedly, according to the AD, the decision was a consensus among athletic administration and the coaches, but you wonder if Schmidt had any say, after all everything about this episode was botched.
APPARENTLY administration didn’t find it necessary to inform the fan-base of its decision as the Bona faithful waited and hoped their team would get a bid.
Enter Manhertz with an apologetic backtrack.
In an email to season-ticket holders — by the way my wife didn’t get one — 16 hours after the fact, he responded to the overwhelmingly, disgusted negative response: “We’ve heard from you and understand your strong feelings. Your passion for St. Bonaventure in good times, and frankly, also in difficult times is what drives our place. We are indeed grateful for that passion. You should have known of our actions and the reasons behind them much sooner, and for that I apologize. We will learn from this and in the future pledge to be more transparent and timely in our communication on issues that matter most to you.”
BUT THE fact is, this is a horrible optic for an athletics department that is endlessly begging for money. One of those missives even asked for donations to keep Schmidt at the school and continue to earn tournament berths.
And yet, when one might’ve been offered, St. Bonaventure demured, forfeiting at least one more national telecast and a chance to lure potential recruits in the ever-changing roster considerations created by the portal.
If money was an issue, that should have been dismissed immediately and considered an advertising expense. I know the academics don’t like it, but I’ve told people for years, students in Vallejo, California don’t know about St. Bonaventure because of its accounting major. Indeed, Schmidt, just last week, admitted his team’s role in giving the University its national identity.
For a decade, I taught a sports writing class at Bona as an adjunct professor. Those juniors and seniors were totally on the Bonnies bandwagon. But each year I would remind them that there was a segment of the school’s workforce — faculty and staff — that would love for the team to go 0-30 every season.
That’s not an uncommon reality on campuses across the country … academics reacting to what they feel is an overemphasis on athletics. My guess is, a lot of those folks at Bona are holding their sides today laughing at the athletic department’s most recent embarrassment.
But here’s the rub. St. Bonaventure has one of the most respected mass communications departments in the Northeast. Part of earning a degree is classes in public relations. Would that some members of the athletic department had availed themselves to those classes rather than persistently affixing a “Kick Me” sign to their collective backside.
(Chuck Pollock, a Wellsville Sun senior sports columnist, can be reached
Pollock: St. Bonaventure made every excuse not to play in the NIT except the eclipse
March 21, 2024
A column by CHUCK POLLOCK, Senior Sports Columnist
Maybe we should just blame ESPN and let it go.
After all, it was the self-proclaimed “World-Wide Leader” which revealed earlier this week that St. Bonaventure was one of 17 schools to turn down bids to the National Invitational Tournament.
My first reaction was total incredulity … had Bona’s basketball program become so arrogant that it would say “No thanks” to a tournament that had provided it with one of the two crowning moments in the University’s hoops history?
After the 1970 NCAAs, ruined by Bob Lanier’s disastrous absence due to a season-ending knee injury, winning the 1977 NIT was St. Bonaventure’s shining badge of national legitimacy.
But there was more than that. The Bonnies have been to the nation’s oldest post-season basketball tourney a dozen times, most recently in 2022 when they won three straight road games to earn the semifinals at Madison Square Garden. However Bona’s history with the NIT dates to the 50s when, between 1951 and ‘60 it was a six-time participant earning a national reputation while playing in the media spotlight of New York City.
My mind was spinning. If ESPN was right, St. Bonaventure was the only mid-major to reject a bid. The others — Arizona State, Cal, Florida State, Indiana, Maryland, Memphis, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Oregon State, Pitt, St. John’s, Stanford, Syracuse, UCLA, USC and Washington — are all major schools from power conferences in which half their teams make the NCAAs every year. For those schools to decline a bid to a lesser tournament happens every year. But St. Bonaventure passing up a chance to extend its season was particularly curious given that four fellow Atlantic 10 members — Richmond, Virginia Commonwealth, Loyola-Chicago and Saint Joseph’s — didn’t feel they were above the NIT and gladly accepted an invitation.
GIVEN THE immediate outraged blowback on social media, St. Bonaventure tried an immediate bid for damage control. But this is a school which handles uncomfortable news about its men’s basketball team with the touch of a blacksmith.
Sometimes it’s little things such as the status of injured players or disciplinary actions but once it was during the biggest national blight ever to hit the program, the Bob Wickenheiser/Jamil Terrell welding scandal.
Athletic director Joe Manhertz engaged in an attempt at damage-control that former Times Herald Bonnies’ beat reporter J.P. Butler called “a five-paragraph release that seemed lacking at best and disingenuous at worst.”
It read, “We understand that ESPN posted a graphic regarding the selection of the NIT Tournament field on air Tuesday night.
“Reaching the NCAA Tournament is the goal for St. Bonaventure basketball each year. We unfortunately came up short of that goal. Considering the logistics of what would have been an NIT road game, we made the proactive decision Sunday afternoon to inform the NIT selection committee of our concerns regarding roster uncertainty given injury and the transfer portal that would have left us at a competitive disadvantage. Together, athletics department administration and the coaching staff made the decision in the best interest of our student-athletes.
“No invitation was extended prior to our conversation with the NIT committee. We respect the NIT and not only its history overall, but what the tournament has meant to our program. We look forward to future postseason competition.”
Yada, yada, yada.
It seems clear enough, Bona didn’t reject a bid, because it wasn’t offered one as it had contacted the NIT Committee and asked not to be considered.
But here’s the reason for skepticism.
After Duquesne eliminated the Bonnies in Saturday’s A-10 Tournament semifinals, coach Mark Schmidt was asked if his team’s 20-13 record was good enough to earn an NIT bid.
Here was his response: “Hopefully. Who knows? “I don’t know what they think, but we won 20 games. I’ve been here 17 years, and I think we’ve only done that five other times. This was the sixth time that we won 20 games. So we had a good year. It was up and down. The last game never defines you.”
Does that sound like a coach who, the next day, through Manhertz, would be asking his team be removed from consideration?
In defending the decision, the third-year AD threw several factors at the wall … injuries, short roster, a first-round road game and three players entering the transfer portal. Everything but advance preparation for the eclipse.
Yet I wonder.
Clearly Schmidt was onboard with taking a bid, did he change his mind in less than 24 hours? Center Noel Brown was hurt against Duquesne but it didn’t seem severe and and Bona’s top eight players were hardly a M*A*S*H unit. Then, too, historically players relish performing in the postseason no matter how banged up they are.
Then there’s the three players who entered the transfer portal — Barry Evans, Kyrell Luc and Melian Martinez — did they know Bona opted out of the NIT before they applied to the portal? And even if they didn’t, what would have stopped them from completing the (post)season with their current team?
Manhertz’s contention about a road game in the face of those alleged injuries is embarrassingly lame. Two months after he took the job in 2022, the Bonnies won those three straight road games to make the NIT semifinals in New York.
Supposedly, according to the AD, the decision was a consensus among athletic administration and the coaches, but you wonder if Schmidt had any say, after all everything about this episode was botched.
APPARENTLY administration didn’t find it necessary to inform the fan-base of its decision as the Bona faithful waited and hoped their team would get a bid.
Enter Manhertz with an apologetic backtrack.
In an email to season-ticket holders — by the way my wife didn’t get one — 16 hours after the fact, he responded to the overwhelmingly, disgusted negative response: “We’ve heard from you and understand your strong feelings. Your passion for St. Bonaventure in good times, and frankly, also in difficult times is what drives our place. We are indeed grateful for that passion. You should have known of our actions and the reasons behind them much sooner, and for that I apologize. We will learn from this and in the future pledge to be more transparent and timely in our communication on issues that matter most to you.”
BUT THE fact is, this is a horrible optic for an athletics department that is endlessly begging for money. One of those missives even asked for donations to keep Schmidt at the school and continue to earn tournament berths.
And yet, when one might’ve been offered, St. Bonaventure demured, forfeiting at least one more national telecast and a chance to lure potential recruits in the ever-changing roster considerations created by the portal.
If money was an issue, that should have been dismissed immediately and considered an advertising expense. I know the academics don’t like it, but I’ve told people for years, students in Vallejo, California don’t know about St. Bonaventure because of its accounting major. Indeed, Schmidt, just last week, admitted his team’s role in giving the University its national identity.
For a decade, I taught a sports writing class at Bona as an adjunct professor. Those juniors and seniors were totally on the Bonnies bandwagon. But each year I would remind them that there was a segment of the school’s workforce — faculty and staff — that would love for the team to go 0-30 every season.
That’s not an uncommon reality on campuses across the country … academics reacting to what they feel is an overemphasis on athletics. My guess is, a lot of those folks at Bona are holding their sides today laughing at the athletic department’s most recent embarrassment.
But here’s the rub. St. Bonaventure has one of the most respected mass communications departments in the Northeast. Part of earning a degree is classes in public relations. Would that some members of the athletic department had availed themselves to those classes rather than persistently affixing a “Kick Me” sign to their collective backside.
(Chuck Pollock, a Wellsville Sun senior sports columnist, can be reached
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There is a 16 page thread on bonabandwagon.
A few observations:
At the A10 Tournament Bona went to the Semifinals. They lost to Keith Dambrot for the 3rd time. Imagine losing to Duquesne 3 times in one season, including at home, and in the A10 Semifinals? Many would say you can’t lose 3X as Bona looked to play Saturday afternoon with a chance to win the AQ - especially possible since Duquesne had already knocked out Nationally Ranked Dayton who was the only A10 member who could get an At-Large bid if they lost.
Bona fans were in hi number and enthusiastic as they always are at the Barclays Center.
They expected an NIT bid after they lost. Bona went to the Semi-Finals of the NIT recently, and have a long, successful history with the NIT.
Biggest issue was lack of transparency, how the fans found out and mistakes in explanations resulting in the AD getting fired and the President having to pacify the bewildered and confused fan base who were frustrated and asking a lot of questions.
Only 1 mid major out of 17 teams turned down the NIT - St Bonaventure. But Bona Administration never admitted that - it leaked out by media.
4 A10 teams accepted NIT - but not Bona who won 20 games and reached A10 Semi-Finals.
The AD came forward to explain but did a poor job. He came forward only after questions were forthcoming, media released that Bona was the only Mid Major to refuse NIT.
https://bonabandwagon.proboards.com/thr ... hy?page=16
A few observations:
At the A10 Tournament Bona went to the Semifinals. They lost to Keith Dambrot for the 3rd time. Imagine losing to Duquesne 3 times in one season, including at home, and in the A10 Semifinals? Many would say you can’t lose 3X as Bona looked to play Saturday afternoon with a chance to win the AQ - especially possible since Duquesne had already knocked out Nationally Ranked Dayton who was the only A10 member who could get an At-Large bid if they lost.
Bona fans were in hi number and enthusiastic as they always are at the Barclays Center.
They expected an NIT bid after they lost. Bona went to the Semi-Finals of the NIT recently, and have a long, successful history with the NIT.
Biggest issue was lack of transparency, how the fans found out and mistakes in explanations resulting in the AD getting fired and the President having to pacify the bewildered and confused fan base who were frustrated and asking a lot of questions.
Only 1 mid major out of 17 teams turned down the NIT - St Bonaventure. But Bona Administration never admitted that - it leaked out by media.
4 A10 teams accepted NIT - but not Bona who won 20 games and reached A10 Semi-Finals.
The AD came forward to explain but did a poor job. He came forward only after questions were forthcoming, media released that Bona was the only Mid Major to refuse NIT.
https://bonabandwagon.proboards.com/thr ... hy?page=16
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Update on the NIT
5-seed in A10: VCU - won AT 1-seed Villanova, won AT unseeded South Florida, play AT 2-seed Utah March 27 Wed. If VCU wins Wed Night then VCU will play Indiana State in Semi-Finals at Henkel Field House
9-seed in A10: St Joseph's - lost 1st game AT 1-seed Seton Hall
1-seed in A10: Richmond - lost 1st game AT 3-seed Virginia Tech
2-seed in A10: Loyola - lost 1st game AT 3-seed Bradley
3-seed in A10: Dayton and 5-seed in A10: Duquesne went to NCAA Tournament.
St Bonaventure was 7-seed in A10 and went to Semi-Finals losing to Duquesne.
None of the 4 A10 Teams were seeded in the NIT. The top 16 teams are seeded. All games by A10 teams have been on the road.
5-seed in A10: VCU - won AT 1-seed Villanova, won AT unseeded South Florida, play AT 2-seed Utah March 27 Wed. If VCU wins Wed Night then VCU will play Indiana State in Semi-Finals at Henkel Field House
9-seed in A10: St Joseph's - lost 1st game AT 1-seed Seton Hall
1-seed in A10: Richmond - lost 1st game AT 3-seed Virginia Tech
2-seed in A10: Loyola - lost 1st game AT 3-seed Bradley
3-seed in A10: Dayton and 5-seed in A10: Duquesne went to NCAA Tournament.
St Bonaventure was 7-seed in A10 and went to Semi-Finals losing to Duquesne.
None of the 4 A10 Teams were seeded in the NIT. The top 16 teams are seeded. All games by A10 teams have been on the road.
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