2/11 | George Mason | 2:00PM (ESPN+)

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"Development" is nice, but these days, it's free agency, er, I mean, the portal that's going to make a team good

I think it is finding the right combination of both and let's not forget the juco's.
Recruiting in the HS/prep ranks will always be extremely valuable.

For upper tier teams...I don't think so

I don’t think fan bases in general don’t have patience anymore to wait for the slow growth to develop its fruits. In these micro wave times, fans want it now, if not now then real soon. Especially with the readily available portal. The arms race is not so much game facilities, practice facilities, it is winning now environment and where can I(the Disease of Me)get showcased for the next level. Hard times to be coaching in this environment where the coaches paycheck is in the shorts of the “student athletes” running up and down the court doing their thing.

[Rhody15]

"Development" is nice, but these days, it's free agency, er, I mean, the portal that's going to make a team good

I think it is finding the right combination of both and let's not forget the juco's.
Recruiting in the HS/prep ranks will always be extremely valuable.

77,
Do you know of anyone who has not been approved for a waiver even though they had already used up their free transfer?
Last year I often read from Rothstein that waivers were being approved like watermelon seeds.
Seems like in reality transfers are unlimited. Wouldn't a paler like Freeman get a waiver approved? Move back to family, ne, 1st year coach at URI didn't work out for me, etc???
Thoughts?

Perez for WV for his denied this season.

I remember one or two others Rothstein tweeted about as well.

[Jersey77]

I think it is finding the right combination of both and let's not forget the juco's.
Recruiting in the HS/prep ranks will always be extremely valuable.

77,
Do you know of anyone who has not been approved for a waiver even though they had already used up their free transfer?
Last year I often read from Rothstein that waivers were being approved like watermelon seeds.
Seems like in reality transfers are unlimited. Wouldn't a paler like Freeman get a waiver approved? Move back to family, ne, 1st year coach at URI didn't work out for me, etc???
Thoughts?

Perez for WV for his denied this season.

I remember one or two others Rothstein tweeted about as well.

Yes 15, I had mentioned Perez in response to Ramster on the previous page.

[RF1]

On the good news front, there is now less than a month left in this putrid season.

[KevanBoyles]

FWIW, Indiana is now #18 in the AP poll, #2 in the Big 10, with Archie having been gone 1 3/4 years. They beat Michigan on the road yesterday. I don't know how many holdovers there are from Archie's tenure but would argue he left an imprint on the program that is now paying dividends.

Indiana has 7 on the roster that are Jrs. or Srs. (they could have been there with Archie) totaling 18 years of experience. (They also have 6 So. for another 6 years of experience. They definitely came after Archie.)

We currently have one RS SR. - Martin (with 4 years of experience) and one RS Jr.- Carey (with 3 years of experience). After that there's a total of 6 years of experience with Ish (2 years of experience) and everyone else has 1 or zero for 4 years of experience.

In recap, Indiana had 18 years of Jr. and Sr. experience coming into this year and we had 7 with Martin and Cary. That's 2.5 times the experience in upperclassman on the team and going forward we won't have that level of experience (barring the portal) until 24-25.

Botton line. We have a very young team in experience, who had no experience playing together under Archie's new system, and time will be our biggest ally.

Translation: "We'll be good when we're good."

[hrstrat57]

Lotta misremembering, backpedaling and reverse takes going on in this thread from multiple posters.

It’s wicked entertaining keep going!

[bigappleram]

"Development" is nice, but these days, it's free agency, er, I mean, the portal that's going to make a team good

I think it is finding the right combination of both and let's not forget the juco's.
Recruiting in the HS/prep ranks will always be extremely valuable.

For upper tier teams...I don't think so

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

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What helps those programs is stability in the coach. Can I add my own duh!

[UCH21377]

I think it is finding the right combination of both and let's not forget the juco's.
Recruiting in the HS/prep ranks will always be extremely valuable.

For upper tier teams...I don't think so

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

[Jersey77]

For upper tier teams...I don't think so

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

Well yeah, that is why I am thinking year 3 maybe 20 wins and NIT, year 4 hopefully "Dance".

[ramster]

For upper tier teams...I don't think so

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

[PeteRI]

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Safe to say we will be are bad when because we are bad

[UCH21377]

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Are we allowed an opinion?

[Jersey77]

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Well Ramster if we can't start seeing something by year 3 and 4, there will be a lot of dissatisfied fans and things will get ugly for Archie.

[rhodyrudder]

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

But NONE of them are at-large teams!

Our goal is NCAA, but we really need to be more specific:
2nd weekend, at-large, top 25.

That’s the floor that I want.

We haven’t done it in 25 years.
Archie’s gotta get us back there soon.
Not next year, obviously, but we better get a heckuva lot closer than we are now, and soon.

Give us Dayton’s VCU’s Loyola’s recent level of success.
Not what SLU has now…they suck. Certainly not making the 2nd weekend.

[RhowdyRam02]

SLU, Dayton and VCU all have core program players. Complimented by transfers. That is the upper tier. Filling an entire roster with transfers that turn over year over year isn’t it.

But NONE of them are at-large teams!

Our goal is NCAA, but we really need to be more specific:
2nd weekend, at-large, top 25.

That’s the floor that I want.

We haven’t done it in 25 years.
Archie’s gotta get us back there soon.
Not next year, obviously, but we better get a heckuva lot closer than we are now, and soon.

Give us Dayton’s VCU’s Loyola’s recent level of success.
Not what SLU has now…they suck. Certainly not making the 2nd weekend.

We've made the second weekend of the modern era of the NCAAs twice. If that's your floor I think you're going to get disappointed. There's a reason why those two teams are going into the hall of fame on Friday and there's a reason why 6 of those players are the beginning of our ring of honor Saturday

[ramster]

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Well Ramster if we can't start seeing something by year 3 and 4, there will be a lot of dissatisfied fans and things will get ugly for Archie.

No doubt,

but the "We will be good when we are good" has no timeline associated with it. Once I said to my boss at work "The project will be done when it's done" - didn't go over too well

[rhodyrudder]

We've made the second weekend of the modern era of the NCAAs twice. If that's your floor I think you're going to get disappointed. There's a reason why those two teams are going into the hall of fame on Friday and there's a reason why 6 of those players are the beginning of our ring of honor Saturday

The RC was built to get us back there, if not every year then on a regular basis.

PC is there now.

I want top 4 A-10 EVERY year, dance 3 out of 4, top 25 and 2nd weekend regularly, and a Final Four in the near future.

Archie had UD at that level. Let’s f-n go!!!

[Jersey77]

We've made the second weekend of the modern era of the NCAAs twice. If that's your floor I think you're going to get disappointed. There's a reason why those two teams are going into the hall of fame on Friday and there's a reason why 6 of those players are the beginning of our ring of honor Saturday

The RC was built to get us back there, if not every year then on a regular basis.

PC is there now.

I want top 4 A-10 EVERY year, dance 3 out of 4, top 25 and 2nd weekend regularly, and a Final Four in the near future.

Archie had UD at that level. Let’s f-n go!!!

Is that all?

[RhowdyRam02]

FWIW, Indiana is now #18 in the AP poll, #2 in the Big 10, with Archie having been gone 1 3/4 years. They beat Michigan on the road yesterday. I don't know how many holdovers there are from Archie's tenure but would argue he left an imprint on the program that is now paying dividends.

Indiana has 7 on the roster that are Jrs. or Srs. (they could have been there with Archie) totaling 18 years of experience. (They also have 6 So. for another 6 years of experience. They definitely came after Archie.)

We currently have one RS SR. - Martin (with 4 years of experience) and one RS Jr.- Carey (with 3 years of experience). After that there's a total of 6 years of experience with Ish (2 years of experience) and everyone else has 1 or zero for 4 years of experience.

In recap, Indiana had 18 years of Jr. and Sr. experience coming into this year and we had 7 with Martin and Cary. That's 2.5 times the experience in upperclassman on the team and going forward we won't have that level of experience (barring the portal) until 24-25.

Botton line. We have a very young team in experience, who had no experience playing together under Archie's new system, and time will be our biggest ally.

Translation: "We'll be good when we're good."

Quick scan, it looks like the guys on Indiana this year are Anthony Leal, Michael Shipp, Nathan Childress, Jordan Geronimo, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Race Thompson, and Trey Galloway.

Leal, Shipp, and Childress are bench guys, but the other 4 are getting at least 14.7 minutes per game. Jackson-Davis is 1st on the team in points per game, rebounds per game, and 3rd in assists per game

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2023.html

[RhowdyRam02]

We've made the second weekend of the modern era of the NCAAs twice. If that's your floor I think you're going to get disappointed. There's a reason why those two teams are going into the hall of fame on Friday and there's a reason why 6 of those players are the beginning of our ring of honor Saturday

The RC was built to get us back there, if not every year then on a regular basis.

PC is there now.

I want top 4 A-10 EVERY year, dance 3 out of 4, top 25 and 2nd weekend regularly, and a Final Four in the near future.

Archie had UD at that level. Let’s f-n go!!!

PC is back there for the first time since 1997. Before that it was 87. Even with the advantages of Big East money they don't really do it much more than us, it's certainly not the floor for any PC fan that is thinking reasonably.

What you want for the program isn't realistic based on what the fanbase invests in the program. I think you should reassess how you view this program

[Billyboy78]

We've made the second weekend of the modern era of the NCAAs twice. If that's your floor I think you're going to get disappointed. There's a reason why those two teams are going into the hall of fame on Friday and there's a reason why 6 of those players are the beginning of our ring of honor Saturday

The RC was built to get us back there, if not every year then on a regular basis.

PC is there now.

I want top 4 A-10 EVERY year, dance 3 out of 4, top 25 and 2nd weekend regularly, and a Final Four in the near future.

Archie had UD at that level. Let’s f-n go!!!

What???? No National Championships!!!!!???????

[bigappleram]

Basically Gonzaga. No big deal.

[PeteRI]

Think Medium. We Do.

[PeteRI]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

[RamStock]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

You might to if a good portion of the current roster returns

[PeteRI]

Thank goodness for Tammi and the Lady Rams.

[hrstrat57]

Wasn’t Hurley’s stated goal Gonzaga of the East?

Or am I misremembering?

[SGreenwell]

I think consistently making the NCAA tournament is a good goal for us as a program. Once we actually make it to the tournament consistently is when we can worry about things like advancing deeper in the tournament.

I also think that Miller is going to bring in talent any way he can, and that's going to be with recruiting conventional HS players and using transfers. The only kind of player he might not be so interested in right now would be guys with like, only one or two years of eligibility left. But, I kind of think that's a two-way street. Unless you just didn't play that much at your previous school, if you're a graduate transfer you probably want to go to a program that seems like it can win. I wouldn't expect those kind of players until the 2024-25 season.

[rhodyrudder]

PC is back there for the first time since 1997. Before that it was 87. Even with the advantages of Big East money they don't really do it much more than us, it's certainly not the floor for any PC fan that is thinking reasonably.

What you want for the program isn't realistic based on what the fanbase invests in the program. I think you should reassess how you view this program

We’re paying the coach 2M.
I want to beat PC more often than once a decade, and I want a national ranking.

If all you want is a top 200 NET, sorry but I hope you reassess what you want.

Bryant is about at that level now.

[KevanBoyles]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

You might to if a good portion of the current roster returns

Without any major changes in the current plan, they will be five new players next year. Replacements for Martin, Carey, and Nwafor, and Harris (whether he comes here or not), and Foumena.

[Jersey77]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

You might to if a good portion of the current roster returns

Without any major changes in the current plan, they will be five new players next year. Replacements for Martin, Carey, and Nwafor, and Harris (whether he comes here or not), and Foumena.

?
Nwafor never signed, doesn't count.
Only one opening so far.

[Rhodymob05]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

You might to if a good portion of the current roster returns

Without any major changes in the current plan, they will be five new players next year. Replacements for Martin, Carey, and Nwafor, and Harris (whether he comes here or not), and Foumena.

Did I miss something? Is Foumena leaving?

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Wasn’t Hurley’s stated goal Gonzaga of the East?

Or am I misremembering?

I do recall that, yes, an an example of where this program could go.

[Rhody15]

I don't like lowering my already low expectations for this program.

You might to if a good portion of the current roster returns

Without any major changes in the current plan, they will be five new players next year. Replacements for Martin, Carey, and Nwafor, and Harris (whether he comes here or not), and Foumena.

This post makes zero sense.

Nwafor never signed, Foumena has given no indication he’s leaving, Harris is irrelevant at this point, Carey could still come back, and there will 100% be other players who transfer/are forced out.

[RI_Bred]

Wife happened to have the local news on this morning when I came into the living room. Channel 12 I guess. They had Maury from MSG reporting on PC's loss to St. John's.

Didn't even mention URI. At all. For the whole sports segment, not just Maury's piece. WTF

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Not surprised, saw the same segment. Those folks have only so much air time, so Ithink they give it to the teams that matter, regarding post season. No?

[PeterRamTime]

I had high hopes for Freeman but I don’t think he fits into the culture we hope Archie is trying to instill.

Yeah let's get rid of one of our two best players

Where does it say we should get rid of him?

If you think he doesn't fit the culture then you don't want him on the team right?

Or do you want a guy that doesn't fit the culture to be on the team?

[Rhodyg]

It continues to boggle my mind that Lou Hutch gets zero run on this team….

[Rhody15]

Wife happened to have the local news on this morning when I came into the living room. Channel 12 I guess. They had Maury from MSG reporting on PC's loss to St. John's.

Didn't even mention URI. At all. For the whole sports segment, not just Maury's piece. WTF

Don’t be 8-16 / the worst team in the state and that won’t happen.

[RI_Bred]

Wife happened to have the local news on this morning when I came into the living room. Channel 12 I guess. They had Maury from MSG reporting on PC's loss to St. John's.

Didn't even mention URI. At all. For the whole sports segment, not just Maury's piece. WTF

Don’t be 8-16 / the worst team in the state and that won’t happen.

Agree for sure, but Maury is usually pretty good about at least mentioning URI...

[Rhody15]

Wife happened to have the local news on this morning when I came into the living room. Channel 12 I guess. They had Maury from MSG reporting on PC's loss to St. John's.

Didn't even mention URI. At all. For the whole sports segment, not just Maury's piece. WTF

Don’t be 8-16 / the worst team in the state and that won’t happen.

Agree for sure, but Maury is usually pretty good about at least mentioning URI...

When he’s in studio, sure. He was at MSG strictly covering PC St John’s so I’m not surprised he didn’t mention us.

[reef]

I’m expecting top 4 conference consistently and that should lead to ncaa bids , will take a bit to get to that level but once we get there Arch should make it a yearly thing

[PeteRI]

I’m expecting top 4 conference consistently and that should lead to ncaa bids , will take a bit to get to that level but once we get there Arch should make it a yearly thing

^^^ This - and it better start in Year 3!

[Rhody22]

Yeah let's get rid of one of our two best players

Where does it say we should get rid of him?

If you think he doesn't fit the culture then you don't want him on the team right?

Or do you want a guy that doesn't fit the culture to be on the team?

If he changes his tune and decides to be a team player, then I think he can help this team. As it stands now, no, I do not want him on this team. You can’t build a culture with even a single bad apple. His play and antics remind me of the Mitchell twins last year.

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Well, I do not think Brayon is anywhere near the antics of the twins. Rehab between the ears is difficult, but can be accomplished. Continued challenge for Archie work on this.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Agree. That's why we're probably 3 years away from being good.

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Are we allowed an opinion?

Probably not, but mine is... Portal. Get your "foundational" players from the portal and get em to stay a couple years.

[ramster]

There no stated timeline for when we will be good

• We will be good when we are good

• We will be mediocre when we are mediocre

• We will be bad when we are bad

Are we allowed an opinion?

Probably not, but mine is... Portal. Get your "foundational" players from the portal and get em to stay a couple years.

I don't think so.

[NYGFan_Section208]

Are we allowed an opinion?

Probably not, but mine is... Portal. Get your "foundational" players from the portal and get em to stay a couple years.

I don't think so.

That's allowed. I think?

[ramster]

Probably not, but mine is... Portal. Get your "foundational" players from the portal and get em to stay a couple years.

I don't think so.

That's allowed. I think?

I meant about having an opinion 208.
That "We will be good when we are good" was pretty much etched in cement from Day 1.