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We need Jeff Dowtin to become a superstar, get a huge contract and donate a few mill to his alma mater.

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago We need Jeff Dowtin to become a superstar, get a huge contract and donate a few mill to his alma mater.

But he has to do it every year. Every year is a new NIL.

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago https://chroniclet.com/news/296791/fans ... orts-scam/

Apples and oranges.....How much is a ticket to see the Red Sox, Patriots, or Celtics?

How much is a ticket at the Ryan to see a basketball game.

ramster wrote: ↑1 month ago

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago We need Jeff Dowtin to become a superstar, get a huge contract and donate a few mill to his alma mater.

But he has to do it every year. Every year is a new NIL.

If anyone would do it, Jeff would.

Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

LoveThoseRams wrote: ↑1 month ago

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago https://chroniclet.com/news/296791/fans ... orts-scam/

Apples and oranges.....How much is a ticket to see the Red Sox, Patriots, or Celtics?

How much is a ticket at the Ryan to see a basketball game.

I can get two tickets for tonight's Red Sox game for $6 each. I said this before. Asking fans to pay for players, is just a BAD idea.

The issue is going to be Olympic sports. These are non revenue generating sports that football and basketball pay for. So the money football and basketball make through media contracts and tickets/merch etc. are paying for sports that no one watches. That money, that football and basketball make is the "PIE". So rather than ask fans to pay for basketball players, schools will end Olympic sports and fund what makes them money.

On the "Rhode to Excellence" site they allow you to choose which sport you want to give to. This is being led by Stone Freeman.

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

Yep! I’m thinking that anything that the NCAA is involved will get “off the rails”.

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago https://chroniclet.com/news/296791/fans ... orts-scam/

a good read, thanks for sharing

Last line & summary spoiler alert:

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

The players are getting the same amount of 'that' pie that they've always got.
If they were getting some of that pie, it probably would actually be less of a mess.
Now, we're building a new pie and it couldn't be more of a clusterduck.

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

Money is the root of all evil. Or something like that.

theblueram wrote: ↑1 month ago

LoveThoseRams wrote: ↑1 month ago

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago https://chroniclet.com/news/296791/fans ... orts-scam/

Apples and oranges.....How much is a ticket to see the Red Sox, Patriots, or Celtics?

How much is a ticket at the Ryan to see a basketball game.

I can get two tickets for tonight's Red Sox game for $6 each. I said this before. Asking fans to pay for players, is just a BAD idea.

AMEN

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

I’ll keep my money that I work for or donate it to better causes

But please everyone else donate a ton

theblueram wrote: ↑1 month ago The issue is going to be Olympic sports. These are non revenue generating sports that football and basketball pay for. So the money football and basketball make through media contracts and tickets/merch etc. are paying for sports that no one watches. That money, that football and basketball make is the "PIE". So rather than ask fans to pay for basketball players, schools will end Olympic sports and fund what makes them money.

That will suck for those athletes, but it's not football and basketball players jobs to pay the scholarships of Olympic sport athletes

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

I’ll keep my money that I work for or donate it to better causes

But please everyone else donate a ton

Just to clarify your position, you're not going to do it but you think everyone else should? I could be wrong, you've only said it 50 times this week, maybe if you say it another 50 times this week we'll all get it. It's not getting old or anything at all

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑1 month ago

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Somewhere this NIL thing went off the rails. I don’t know what to think anymore. The players wanting and getting their piece of the pie has turned into a God awful mess.

I’ll keep my money that I work for or donate it to better causes

But please everyone else donate a ton

Just to clarify your position, you're not going to do it but you think everyone else should? I could be wrong, you've only said it 50 times this week, maybe if you say it another 50 times this week we'll all get it. It's not getting old or anything at all

Guy has a million screws loose or is drunk 99% of the time he posts.

So tempting to show you how this guy w a million screws loose rolls that I think you might need some lug nuts !

All joking aside - next time you are in Charleston let’s meet up - and get some drinks at SNOB !

Relax - half my posts are just to get people fired up and have some fun - I rarely get “personal”… all
In fun … at least for me

Shoutout to R15

I love the NIL creativity that Dawn Staley is showing at South Carolina. When approached by a local corporation, she said she would represent them IF and only IF they offered an NIL opportunity to each of her players, including stock options. Builds team loyalty, while teaching life lessons about equity (double entendre, there).
While everyone snipes and grabs at the pie, Staley adapts, teaches, prospers, and succeeds. Once again, the women lead.....

NHRamFan wrote: ↑1 month ago I love the NIL creativity that Dawn Staley is showing at South Carolina. When approached by a local corporation, she said she would represent them IF and only IF they offered an NIL opportunity to each of her players, including stock options. Builds team loyalty, while teaching life lessons about equity (double entendre, there).
While everyone snipes and grabs at the pie, Staley adapts, teaches, prospers, and succeeds. Once again, the women lead.....

I mean that is great if Staley has the ability with her program to do stuff like this, but let’s get real about this sport. Players want $250k upwards to $1.5 million? . Players transfer every year with no penalty. I have gotten to the point where I really don’t care what happens to this sport. URI basketball was my favorite thing to watch, but I could care less now with the NIL. The university wants you to buy season tickets, donate money and provide for the NIL? No thanks! No one on last years team should have received a $1. I guess the scholarships no longer are useful. If there was a set amount that all players got it would be one thing, but this is a joke

Yes. Perhaps time is here for the “haves” to break off, find their own level of paid player basketball , super conference competition. And let the “have nots” organize themselves into a less then super conferences. I guess this oversimplified view with current media contracts and all the other stuff makes this impossible?

It's amazing how many people don't care about college sports now but are still posting on a college sports message board a month to the day that our basketball season ended

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑1 month ago It's amazing how many people don't care about college sports now but are still posting on a college sports message board a month to the day that our basketball season ended

NIL isn't alienating fans. Unlimited movement will tho, over time. But that will eventually get regulated.

bigappleram wrote: ↑1 month ago

RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑1 month ago It's amazing how many people don't care about college sports now but are still posting on a college sports message board a month to the day that our basketball season ended

NIL isn't alienating fans. Unlimited movement will tho, over time. But that will eventually get regulated.

I think it is a combination of both, and in many instances the attractiveness of the portal and NIL go hand in hand.
Especially now in the case of total free agency.

The NIL could effect fans at some point (that aren’t effected now). I mean I gave a little, but how long can we expect the same people to foot the bill? Forever?

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 month ago The NIL could effect fans at some point (that aren’t effected now). I mean I gave a little, but how long can we expect the same people to foot the bill? Forever?

Especially since the program has been in a downward spiral the past few years, recent graduates don't care about the program, as evidenced by student attendance. Very few of them will be donating in future years. And the older generation, well, we all have an expiration date...

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 month ago The NIL could effect fans at some point (that aren’t effected now). I mean I gave a little, but how long can we expect the same people to foot the bill? Forever?

I think in the short term answer is forever? However, forever might not be that long, until the current system that has evolved will collapse upon itself. Therefore ending the current system. I see the answer to the question offered for Stone/Thorr that how will the potential loss of donations previously given be made up with people giving to to Collective? Is simple, just give more and more.

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑1 month ago The NIL could effect fans at some point (that aren’t effected now). I mean I gave a little, but how long can we expect the same people to foot the bill? Forever?

or Never....

If you aren't moving forward, you're moving backwards.

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago Yes. Perhaps time is here for the “haves” to break off, find their own level of paid player basketball , super conference competition. And let the “have nots” organize themselves into a less then super conferences. I guess this oversimplified view with current media contracts and all the other stuff makes this impossible?

Maybe watch club sports at URI...good luck with that!

or you can simply not move at all..

unless NIL improved, many fans will leave the sport

its the haves and the have nots

congrats NCAA

i have better things to do with my money than pay a college players salary to entertain me

so, technically i am moving forward w/ my life vs spending $ on someone else's life

oh but i still will watch so please everyone donate so i can watch a winner - the more the better pls

If we are going to continue to suck, which is looking more likely by the day, maybe URI should shitcan the coach and hire a guy off the street who couldn't do any worse than this slop we are being subjected to.

Things are slow around here so I tend to think about Rhody outside the box stuff so I was wondering…

Since Stone is running the collective and since collectives are relatively new and I am unsure of how demanding running a collective is, is it possible that Stone could fill the role of a quasi-GM for Archie ?

What I mean is, is it possible Archie (and staff) could be periodically or regularly sharing insights into the type of players Archie is looking to bring in or specific names during the season then, Stone starts reaching out to those targets representatives with preliminary NIL offers ?

Then, gather the names, interest level and NIL requirements of the target players to share that info with Archie and staff later so they can take nexts steps towards closing the players on joining Rhody ?

I am just wondering and am curious as to what others here think.

79RhodyFan wrote: ↑1 month ago Can coaches donate? If so maybe Archie should donate some of the $500,000 bonus he just received. He could consider it a investment in himself since it could help his coaching career get going again and out of the downward spiral

Have it be like CE credits that many professionally licensed folks need to spend money on time on. I am saying this because of how the last 2 seasons have been executed.

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79RhodyFan wrote: ↑1 month ago Can coaches donate? If so maybe Archie should donate some of the $500,000 bonus he just received. He could consider it a investment in himself since it could help his coaching career get going again and out of the downward spiral

Have it be like CE credits that many professionally licensed folks need to spend money on time on.

I wonder if, the idea of paying players...out of personal pocket...ever crossed the mind of a coach 5 years ago?

RamStock wrote: ↑1 month ago

adam914 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago

All of them? And if yes, how much?

Maybe not all, but a hell of a lot of them were. Hard to say exactly how much because it was all so hidden. The players parents suddenly get a new job that they never have to actually show up for working for that one booster, new cars show up in the driveway, new houses, etc. etc. And for some reason a lot of people prefer that system instead.

Where are your facts for this? New cars, new houses and none of it got out?

A $180k G Wagon. An article from another news outlet popped up on this today.


https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-bas ... e_vignette

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Things are slow around here so I tend to think about Rhody outside the box stuff so I was wondering…

Since Stone is running the collective and since collectives are relatively new and I am unsure of how demanding running a collective is, is it possible that Stone could fill the role of a quasi-GM for Archie ?

What I mean is, is it possible Archie (and staff) could be periodically or regularly sharing insights into the type of players Archie is looking to bring in or specific names during the season then, Stone starts reaching out to those targets representatives with preliminary NIL offers ?

Then, gather the names, interest level and NIL requirements of the target players to share that info with Archie and staff later so they can take nexts steps towards closing the players on joining Rhody ?

I am just wondering and am curious as to what others here think.

My experience is that decision making by committee is not effective. The scenario offered here sounds a lot like that.

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Things are slow around here so I tend to think about Rhody outside the box stuff so I was wondering…

Since Stone is running the collective and since collectives are relatively new and I am unsure of how demanding running a collective is, is it possible that Stone could fill the role of a quasi-GM for Archie ?

What I mean is, is it possible Archie (and staff) could be periodically or regularly sharing insights into the type of players Archie is looking to bring in or specific names during the season then, Stone starts reaching out to those targets representatives with preliminary NIL offers ?

Then, gather the names, interest level and NIL requirements of the target players to share that info with Archie and staff later so they can take nexts steps towards closing the players on joining Rhody ?

I am just wondering and am curious as to what others here think.

My experience is that decision making by committee is not effective. The scenario offered here sounds a lot like that.

Good point and I agree.

I wasn’t anticipating Archie giving up decision making. I was thinking more along the lines of narrowing down the NIL requirements of target type players and specific players Archie may or would have interest in and sharing that info so he can narrow in on players quicker when the portal roles around every year.

Sort of like building a rolling target data base that fits the NIL budget and being proactive ( by communicating with the player reps/advisors regularly ) versus reacting to the portal.

Does that help ?

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago Things are slow around here so I tend to think about Rhody outside the box stuff so I was wondering…

Since Stone is running the collective and since collectives are relatively new and I am unsure of how demanding running a collective is, is it possible that Stone could fill the role of a quasi-GM for Archie ?

What I mean is, is it possible Archie (and staff) could be periodically or regularly sharing insights into the type of players Archie is looking to bring in or specific names during the season then, Stone starts reaching out to those targets representatives with preliminary NIL offers ?

Then, gather the names, interest level and NIL requirements of the target players to share that info with Archie and staff later so they can take nexts steps towards closing the players on joining Rhody ?

I am just wondering and am curious as to what others here think.

My experience is that decision making by committee is not effective. The scenario offered here sounds a lot like that.

Good point and I agree.

I wasn’t anticipating Archie giving up decision making. I was thinking more along the lines of narrowing down the NIL requirements of target type players and specific players Archie may or would have interest in and sharing that info so he can narrow in on players quicker when the portal roles around every year.

Sort of like building a rolling target data base that fits the NIL budget and being proactive ( by communicating with the player reps/advisors regularly ) versus reacting to the portal.

Does that help ?

OK, who knows who is going into the portal from year to year? Each portal year is a new one?

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

My experience is that decision making by committee is not effective. The scenario offered here sounds a lot like that.

Good point and I agree.

I wasn’t anticipating Archie giving up decision making. I was thinking more along the lines of narrowing down the NIL requirements of target type players and specific players Archie may or would have interest in and sharing that info so he can narrow in on players quicker when the portal roles around every year.

Sort of like building a rolling target data base that fits the NIL budget and being proactive ( by communicating with the player reps/advisors regularly ) versus reacting to the portal.

Does that help ?

OK, who knows who is going into the portal from year to year? Each portal year is a new one?

Until there's a real GM, and trades, and multi year contracts....there is no option other than 'reacting to the portal'.....
Just dole out to the NIL fund and it'll all be fine.

Taylor Swift wrote: ↑1 month ago

RamStock wrote: ↑1 month ago

adam914 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Maybe not all, but a hell of a lot of them were. Hard to say exactly how much because it was all so hidden. The players parents suddenly get a new job that they never have to actually show up for working for that one booster, new cars show up in the driveway, new houses, etc. etc. And for some reason a lot of people prefer that system instead.

Where are your facts for this? New cars, new houses and none of it got out?

A $180k G Wagon. An article from another news outlet popped up on this today.


https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-bas ... e_vignette

If Flau'Jae Johnson is getting this, what do you think Jayden Daniels and Malik Nabers got?

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

My experience is that decision making by committee is not effective. The scenario offered here sounds a lot like that.

Good point and I agree.

I wasn’t anticipating Archie giving up decision making. I was thinking more along the lines of narrowing down the NIL requirements of target type players and specific players Archie may or would have interest in and sharing that info so he can narrow in on players quicker when the portal roles around every year.

Sort of like building a rolling target data base that fits the NIL budget and being proactive ( by communicating with the player reps/advisors regularly ) versus reacting to the portal.

Does that help ?

OK, who knows who is going into the portal from year to year? Each portal year is a new one?

Good questions.

We don’t know who would enter from year to year but Stone (as quasi GM because he knows our NIL capabilities) can start laying groundwork early in the minds of the targeted players reps/advisors to entice them to enter the portal.

I am thinking Archie and staff would set parameters on players as to type desired by position or even specify by name ? Then, Stone does basic sell job on Rhody to player reps/advisors, if we can meet the players NIL demands and - if preliminary NIL demands align with what we can offer - build interest in those targets to come to Rhody by entering the portal. Then Archie and staff zero in on which to try to close on based on fit, need, etc. knowing the NIL is in the area the player(s) are seeking.

Of course, there is always the risk that once a player enters the portal - especially if they blew up during the season - that all bets are off.

I guess you could liken it to getting in on a prep recruit early but instead focused on potential portal prospects and their potential NIL demands.

My thought exercise is how to get Rhody, utilizing Stone’s knowledge of our NIL budget (like a GM would know the payroll budget to pay players ) to give Archie a leg up on our competition.

It’s a developing thought and I understand it may not be possible but it has been quiet around here regarding Rhody portal news so I thought I’d throw the idea out there to generate some discussion.

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Good point and I agree.

I wasn’t anticipating Archie giving up decision making. I was thinking more along the lines of narrowing down the NIL requirements of target type players and specific players Archie may or would have interest in and sharing that info so he can narrow in on players quicker when the portal roles around every year.

Sort of like building a rolling target data base that fits the NIL budget and being proactive ( by communicating with the player reps/advisors regularly ) versus reacting to the portal.

Does that help ?

OK, who knows who is going into the portal from year to year? Each portal year is a new one?

Good questions.

We don’t know who would enter from year to year but Stone (as quasi GM because he knows our NIL capabilities) can start laying groundwork early in the minds of the targeted players reps/advisors to entice them to enter the portal.

I am thinking Archie and staff would set parameters on players as to type desired by position or even specify by name ? Then, Stone does basic sell job on Rhody, if we can meet the players NIL demands and - if preliminary NIL demands align with what we can offer - build interest in those targets to come to Rhody by entering the portal. Then Archie decides who he wants to close on based on fit, need, etc. knowing the NIL isn’t an issue.

Of course, there is always the risk that once a player enters the portal - especially if they blew up during the season - that all bets are off.

I guess you could liken it to getting in on a prep recruit early but instead focused on potential portal prospects.

My thought process is how to get Rhody, utilizing Stone’s knowledge of our NIL budget (like a GM would know the payroll budget to pay players ) to give Archie a leg up on our competition.

It’s a developing thought and I understand it may not be possible but it has been quiet around here regarding Rhody portal news so I thought I’d throw the idea out there to generate some discussion.

yawn, I mean awesome I see a quick reference to 'fit', but, dang, player evaluation seems to be much less of a factor...

eta: There will be greater transparency around this sooner rather than later. Like, right now, are schools not looking at players reportedly in the 'too much for us' range? Who determines that range of 'players we can afford to be interested in'? Secret it may be for now, but prolly not for long.

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago

OK, who knows who is going into the portal from year to year? Each portal year is a new one?

Good questions.

We don’t know who would enter from year to year but Stone (as quasi GM because he knows our NIL capabilities) can start laying groundwork early in the minds of the targeted players reps/advisors to entice them to enter the portal.

I am thinking Archie and staff would set parameters on players as to type desired by position or even specify by name ? Then, Stone does basic sell job on Rhody, if we can meet the players NIL demands and - if preliminary NIL demands align with what we can offer - build interest in those targets to come to Rhody by entering the portal. Then Archie decides who he wants to close on based on fit, need, etc. knowing the NIL isn’t an issue.

Of course, there is always the risk that once a player enters the portal - especially if they blew up during the season - that all bets are off.

I guess you could liken it to getting in on a prep recruit early but instead focused on potential portal prospects.

My thought process is how to get Rhody, utilizing Stone’s knowledge of our NIL budget (like a GM would know the payroll budget to pay players ) to give Archie a leg up on our competition.

It’s a developing thought and I understand it may not be possible but it has been quiet around here regarding Rhody portal news so I thought I’d throw the idea out there to generate some discussion.

yawn, I mean awesome I see a quick reference to 'fit', but, dang, player evaluation seems to be much less of a factor...

I get it, I used to be young and healthy and it’s a lot to think about on a Friday night.

What can I say, you get to my point in life and this is how I spend my Friday nights…trying to figure out ways for Rhody to win at portalpalooza rather than doing young fun stuff. Ooph

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Jdrums#3 wrote: ↑1 month ago

Good questions.

We don’t know who would enter from year to year but Stone (as quasi GM because he knows our NIL capabilities) can start laying groundwork early in the minds of the targeted players reps/advisors to entice them to enter the portal.

I am thinking Archie and staff would set parameters on players as to type desired by position or even specify by name ? Then, Stone does basic sell job on Rhody, if we can meet the players NIL demands and - if preliminary NIL demands align with what we can offer - build interest in those targets to come to Rhody by entering the portal. Then Archie decides who he wants to close on based on fit, need, etc. knowing the NIL isn’t an issue.

Of course, there is always the risk that once a player enters the portal - especially if they blew up during the season - that all bets are off.

I guess you could liken it to getting in on a prep recruit early but instead focused on potential portal prospects.

My thought process is how to get Rhody, utilizing Stone’s knowledge of our NIL budget (like a GM would know the payroll budget to pay players ) to give Archie a leg up on our competition.

It’s a developing thought and I understand it may not be possible but it has been quiet around here regarding Rhody portal news so I thought I’d throw the idea out there to generate some discussion.

yawn, I mean awesome I see a quick reference to 'fit', but, dang, player evaluation seems to be much less of a factor...

I get it, I used to be young and healthy and it’s a lot to think about on a Friday night.

What can I say, you get to my point in life and this is how I spend my Friday nights…trying to figure out ways for Rhody to win at portalpalooza. Ooph

a worthy objective! winning at the portal is key

Now this

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... hletes-nil

RIFan wrote: ↑1 month ago Now this

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... hletes-nil

Ha! I just posted this in the Excellence thread at the exact same time!

RIFan wrote: ↑1 month ago Now this

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... hletes-nil

You knew it was coming. The USOC already stated concern on NIL. Why? Because Olympic sports are funded by colleges and the USOC pays nothing for it. They just benefit from athletes trained and paid for by Universities. Those sports are funded by basketball and football. I can see Olympic sports being defunded by schools.

I can't wait to see what this does to student fees...will the schools tack on a special NIL fee line item?