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Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:44 pm
by Rhodymob05
I feel like recruiting for one school, then leaving and taking the recruits should be illegal. They signed with the school, not the assistant coach.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:54 pm
by NYGFan_Section208
Rhodymob05 wrote: 1 month ago I feel like recruiting for one school, then leaving and taking the recruits should be illegal. They signed with the school, not the assistant coach.
Don't look at it like the recruit was 'taken'...the dude would just be exercising his rights to portal...early.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:59 pm
by rhodylaw
NYGFan_Section208 wrote: 1 month ago
Rhodymob05 wrote: 1 month ago I feel like recruiting for one school, then leaving and taking the recruits should be illegal. They signed with the school, not the assistant coach.
Don't look at it like the recruit was 'taken'...the dude would just be exercising his rights to portal...early.
If the assistant is that important, the HC is not good enough.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:14 am
by jcru
maybe Hammond thought KJ was going to have the head coaching job by now. lol

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:56 am
by damram
From what I saw last year, I would not want any players or coaches from our team if I was looking for help. I am sure they work hard but it is a win - loss business.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:10 am
by Billyboy78
damram wrote: 1 month ago From what I saw last year, I would not want any players or coaches from our team if I was looking for help. I am sure they work hard but it is a win - loss business.
Kenny is known to be one of the top recruiters and top assistants in the country. He'll do much better at a school who has the money to get highly rated players.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:33 pm
by RF1
Billyboy78 wrote: 1 month ago
damram wrote: 1 month ago From what I saw last year, I would not want any players or coaches from our team if I was looking for help. I am sure they work hard but it is a win - loss business.
Kenny is known to be one of the top recruiters and top assistants in the country. He'll do much better at a school who has the money to get highly rated players.
From the results on the court in two seasons, it doesn't appear that he attracted a lot of talent to Kingston.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:43 pm
by ramster
RF1 wrote: 1 month ago
Billyboy78 wrote: 1 month ago
damram wrote: 1 month ago From what I saw last year, I would not want any players or coaches from our team if I was looking for help. I am sure they work hard but it is a win - loss business.
Kenny is known to be one of the top recruiters and top assistants in the country. He'll do much better at a school who has the money to get highly rated players.
From the results on the court in two seasons, it doesn't appear that he attracted a lot of talent to Kingston.
Who were Kenny Johnson’s Top 3 Recruits here?
#1
#2
#3

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:48 pm
by RhowdyRam02
Ben Hammond and Brayon Freeman have a good chance of occupying two of those spots in some order

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:49 pm
by RF1
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago Ben Hammond and Brayon Freeman have a good chance of occupying two of those spots in some order
The first one has yet to suit up for Rhody and may never do so if the rumors are true. The second one did not really contribute much in his short time here and was dismissed for being disruptive. Has since seen little playing time at Coastal Carolina. Both may have talent that never manifested itself in Kingston.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:59 pm
by ramster
RF1 wrote: 1 month ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago Ben Hammond and Brayon Freeman have a good chance of occupying two of those spots in some order
The first one has yet to suit up for Rhody and may never do so if the rumors are true. The second one did not really contribute much in his short time here and was dismissed for being disruptive. Has since seen little playing time at Coastal Carolina. Both may have talent that never manifested itself in Kingston.
And who might #3 be? This is now KJ’s 3rd season of recruiting.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:16 pm
by Billyboy78
Like I said, he could have recruited a higher level of player, but we didn't have the money to pay them. The recruiting business has changed since the recruiters are working under a budget. Jared Terrell isn't coming here under with the new circumstances.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 pm
by Joe95
Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:39 pm
by Rhody Sody

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:44 pm
by Rhody Sody
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
So curious about the details because I find it odd he is landing with Gtown and Cooley is tight with Archie.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:48 pm
by RF1
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
Look at the bright side. We are presently at the point where we cannot possibly get much worse with the loss of any player or coach.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:53 pm
by Rhody15
Rhody Sody wrote: 1 month ago
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
So curious about the details because I find it odd he is landing with Gtown and Cooley is tight with Archie.
Why do you find it odd?

He’s got tremendous connections in the DMV which is precisely where Georgetown is located.

Higher salary, better conference, more NIL available as well.

Cooley left his hometown school for a conference team.

You really think he gives a shit about stealing one of Archie’s assistants?

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:58 pm
by section(105)
RF1 wrote: 1 month ago
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
Look at the bright side. We are presently at the point where we cannot possibly get much worse with the loss of any player or coach.
Really? Things can always get worse. Example, if KJs recruits leave us.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:59 pm
by ElmCityRhody
oh joy

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:00 pm
by rambone 78
Totally expected news.

Now we wait, probably not long, for news of Hammond leaving.

If he does stay, I can see him leaving for Gtown after one year.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:02 pm
by RhowdyRam02
Look, I assume this is going to happen at this point, but if I remember right Casual Hoya had Dan Hurley leaving URI to coach Georgetown...

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:06 pm
by rambone 78
Who can blame KJ for leaving this clusterfuck?

Gtown will be better fast.

Will we?

Yeah right.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:09 pm
by RF1
section(105) wrote: 1 month ago
RF1 wrote: 1 month ago
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
Look at the bright side. We are presently at the point where we cannot possibly get much worse with the loss of any player or coach.
Really? Things can always get worse. Example, if KJs recruits leave us.
It may prolong the process of getting better but the team and its performance is not likely to get any worse than what we have seen these last two seasons.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:17 pm
by rambone 78
It's hard to get any worse.

Tough part is waiting for it to get better.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:17 pm
by Rhody Sody
Rhody15 wrote: 1 month ago
Rhody Sody wrote: 1 month ago
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago Georgetown Twitter confirming Kenny to the Hoyas. Archie’s road to rebuild this squad just became even more difficult, and my enthusiasm for this team is continuing to dwindle
So curious about the details because I find it odd he is landing with Gtown and Cooley is tight with Archie.
Why do you find it odd?

He’s got tremendous connections in the DMV which is precisely where Georgetown is located.

Higher salary, better conference, more NIL available as well.

Cooley left his hometown school for a conference team.

You really think he gives a shit about stealing one of Archie’s assistants?
It totally makes sense for KJ and I agree that Cooley could care less. I’m just wondering about Archie’s position and if he just wanted a change.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:19 pm
by steveystuds06
By the way, I don't want to hear any excuses for Archie... This is his team. This is his staff. He recruited a terrible team back-to-back years. He's now about to lose the one player that looked like a potential game-changer. He's going to lose the one assistant who can bring in decent talent... We should all give him a chance to build a strong roster this year, but if he doesn't, I'd rather have Cox with a lower salary and put all the $ Archie is making into our NIL. We hired Archie to take this program to new heights. Is it easy? Nope. But other teams are doing well. Other teams that are neck and neck with us have had MUCH better seasons.

Archie has been a disaster so far. We are at rock bottom, everyone. ..

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:22 pm
by ace
Archie hired Kenya Hunter away from UConn at the end of August in 2020. A lot of the time, friendships mean nothing when people’s jobs are on the line.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:23 pm
by Jersey77
steveystuds06 wrote: 1 month ago By the way, I don't want to hear any excuses for Archie... This is his team. This is his staff. He recruited a terrible team back-to-back years. He's now about to lose the one player that looked like a potential game-changer. He's going to lose the one assistant who can bring in decent talent... We should all give him a chance to build a strong roster this year, but if he doesn't, I'd rather have Cox with a lower salary and put all the $ Archie is making into our NIL. We hired Archie to take this program to new heights. Is it easy? Nope. But other teams are doing well. Other teams that are neck and neck with us have had MUCH better seasons.

Archie has been a disaster so far. We are at rock bottom, everyone. ..
Archie absolutely needs to work fast for a solid replacement.

I agree Stevey, this is his program, he doesn't get any more passes.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:26 pm
by Billyboy78
Losing your top recruiter as the transfer portal heats up isn't ideal....

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:31 pm
by PeterRamTime
ElmCityRhody wrote: 1 month agooh joy
Yippie

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:36 pm
by bigappleram
I don't think Hammond to Georgetown is a reality. Georgetown has their eyes set on higher caliber PGs. He may decide to de-commit but I would be shocked if it's to go to Georgetown. So I hold out hope KJ is telling him A10 is the right level for him and to stay put. Also even if Ben initially committed due to KJ if Archie didn't build his own relationship with him at this point that's a massive fail. When EC committed his initial connection was via Preston but almost from Day 1 he talked about his connection to Dan.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:39 pm
by rambone 78
Replace KJ with a General Manager.

Who needs a recruiter?

Biggest wallet wins!

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:40 pm
by RhowdyRam02
rambone 78 wrote: 1 month ago Who can blame KJ for leaving this clusterfuck?

Gtown will be better fast.

Will we?

Yeah right.
People are going to call me naive for this take, and they're probably right, but I would blame him. 16 months ago he got show caused and was unemployable in college basketball. Archie, Thorr, and the University stood by him when they had every right, and reason frankly, to fire him. Fast forward to now and he's bolting for more money?

How about showing a little bit of loyalty to the people that kept you employed in your six figure a year job when they had every right to fire you instead of bolting as soon as possible for the next job that will pay you higher six figures? Is the difference really life changing? I'm guessing it's not.

I have to hear rant after rant about players having no loyalty and how it's ruining the game. Where do you think they learned jumping to the next highest bidder from? Why show a shred of loyalty when your coach won't hesitate to leave you for extra money? The coaches have taught the players to worry about yourself first, last, and everywhere in between. You can't be mad when the players show they were paying attention to their coaches.

I'm far more offended by coaches hopping than players

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:40 pm
by rambone 78
BAR, I hope you're right.

So you're saying there's a chance?

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:43 pm
by rambone 78
RR2, KJ leaving could be about more than money.

Like the Titanic has nothing on us.

I guess we might find out sometime, not that it matters.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:44 pm
by Jersey77
bigappleram wrote: 1 month ago I don't think Hammond to Georgetown is a reality. Georgetown has their eyes set on higher caliber PGs. He may decide to de-commit but I would be shocked if it's to go to Georgetown. So I hold out hope KJ is telling him A10 is the right level for him and to stay put. Also even if Ben initially committed due to KJ if Archie didn't build his own relationship with him at this point that's a massive fail. When EC committed his initial connection was via Preston but almost from Day 1 he talked about his connection to Dan.
I agree BAR, and certainly no guarantees Hammond ends up at Georgetown, probably not.

Still, he may decide to opt out of his LOI and open up his recruitment.

We will see, I hope he stays committed to us.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:45 pm
by Rhody15
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago
rambone 78 wrote: 1 month ago Who can blame KJ for leaving this clusterfuck?

Gtown will be better fast.

Will we?

Yeah right.
People are going to call me naive for this take, and they're probably right, but I would blame him. 16 months ago he got show caused and was unemployable in college basketball. Archie, Thorr, and the University stood by him when they had every right, and reason frankly, to fire him. Fast forward to now and he's bolting for more money?

How about showing a little bit of loyalty to the people that kept you employed in your six figure a year job when they had every right to fire you instead of bolting as soon as possible for the next job that will pay you higher six figures? Is the difference really life changing? I'm guessing it's not.

I have to hear rant after rant about players having no loyalty and how it's ruining the game. Where do you think they learned jumping to the next highest bidder from? Why show a shred of loyalty when your coach won't hesitate to leave you for extra money? The coaches have taught the players to worry about yourself first, last, and everywhere in between. You can't be mad when the players show they were paying attention to their coaches.

I'm far more offended by coaches hopping than players
Loyalty in sports isn’t a thing anymore. College, pros, players, coaches.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:50 pm
by Billyboy78
One of Ben's former coaches at Paul VI and Team Takeover, Lamar Butler, recently got a job at George Mason as Director of Player Development. I would think that's a possibility.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:51 pm
by SGreenwell
Rhody15 wrote: 1 month ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago
rambone 78 wrote: 1 month ago Who can blame KJ for leaving this clusterfuck?

Gtown will be better fast.

Will we?

Yeah right.
People are going to call me naive for this take, and they're probably right, but I would blame him. 16 months ago he got show caused and was unemployable in college basketball. Archie, Thorr, and the University stood by him when they had every right, and reason frankly, to fire him. Fast forward to now and he's bolting for more money?

How about showing a little bit of loyalty to the people that kept you employed in your six figure a year job when they had every right to fire you instead of bolting as soon as possible for the next job that will pay you higher six figures? Is the difference really life changing? I'm guessing it's not.

I have to hear rant after rant about players having no loyalty and how it's ruining the game. Where do you think they learned jumping to the next highest bidder from? Why show a shred of loyalty when your coach won't hesitate to leave you for extra money? The coaches have taught the players to worry about yourself first, last, and everywhere in between. You can't be mad when the players show they were paying attention to their coaches.

I'm far more offended by coaches hopping than players
Loyola in sports isn’t a thing anymore. College, pros, players, coaches.
If you're saying Loyola isn't a thing in sports anymore, its like another poster here hijacked your account. ;) (jk, I know you just typoed "loyalty.")

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:53 pm
by steveystuds06
Why would we be connected to all these small point guards if Hammond was staying? Hammond isn't coming. The earlier we accept that, the better. i'm numb at this point.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:57 pm
by RhowdyRam02
Rhody15 wrote: 1 month ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago
rambone 78 wrote: 1 month ago Who can blame KJ for leaving this clusterfuck?

Gtown will be better fast.

Will we?

Yeah right.
People are going to call me naive for this take, and they're probably right, but I would blame him. 16 months ago he got show caused and was unemployable in college basketball. Archie, Thorr, and the University stood by him when they had every right, and reason frankly, to fire him. Fast forward to now and he's bolting for more money?

How about showing a little bit of loyalty to the people that kept you employed in your six figure a year job when they had every right to fire you instead of bolting as soon as possible for the next job that will pay you higher six figures? Is the difference really life changing? I'm guessing it's not.

I have to hear rant after rant about players having no loyalty and how it's ruining the game. Where do you think they learned jumping to the next highest bidder from? Why show a shred of loyalty when your coach won't hesitate to leave you for extra money? The coaches have taught the players to worry about yourself first, last, and everywhere in between. You can't be mad when the players show they were paying attention to their coaches.

I'm far more offended by coaches hopping than players
Loyalty in sports isn’t a thing anymore. College, pros, players, coaches.
Obviously you're right. But all the hand wringing and bitching, and complaining when players are doing it when coaches are the biggest offenders drives me up a wall

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:03 pm
by Joe95
bigappleram wrote: 1 month ago I don't think Hammond to Georgetown is a reality. Georgetown has their eyes set on higher caliber PGs. He may decide to de-commit but I would be shocked if it's to go to Georgetown. So I hold out hope KJ is telling him A10 is the right level for him and to stay put. Also even if Ben initially committed due to KJ if Archie didn't build his own relationship with him at this point that's a massive fail. When EC committed his initial connection was via Preston but almost from Day 1 he talked about his connection to Dan.
If he decommits I could see George Mason as a top suitor

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:10 pm
by Jdrums#3
steveystuds06 wrote: 1 month ago Why would we be connected to all these small point guards if Hammond was staying? Hammond isn't coming. The earlier we accept that, the better. i'm numb at this point.
In my best Col. Walter Kurtz (Marlon Brando) voice from Apocalypse Now:

The horror…

The horror.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:14 pm
by adam914
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago
Rhody15 wrote: 1 month ago
RhowdyRam02 wrote: 1 month ago

People are going to call me naive for this take, and they're probably right, but I would blame him. 16 months ago he got show caused and was unemployable in college basketball. Archie, Thorr, and the University stood by him when they had every right, and reason frankly, to fire him. Fast forward to now and he's bolting for more money?

How about showing a little bit of loyalty to the people that kept you employed in your six figure a year job when they had every right to fire you instead of bolting as soon as possible for the next job that will pay you higher six figures? Is the difference really life changing? I'm guessing it's not.

I have to hear rant after rant about players having no loyalty and how it's ruining the game. Where do you think they learned jumping to the next highest bidder from? Why show a shred of loyalty when your coach won't hesitate to leave you for extra money? The coaches have taught the players to worry about yourself first, last, and everywhere in between. You can't be mad when the players show they were paying attention to their coaches.

I'm far more offended by coaches hopping than players
Loyalty in sports isn’t a thing anymore. College, pros, players, coaches.
Obviously you're right. But all the hand wringing and bitching, and complaining when players are doing it when coaches are the biggest offenders drives me up a wall
Agreed. Plus the fact that 99% of them would probably do the same thing if in the same position. Just a lot of virtue signaling going on around the whole topic.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:19 pm
by Billyboy78
Joe95 wrote: 1 month ago
bigappleram wrote: 1 month ago I don't think Hammond to Georgetown is a reality. Georgetown has their eyes set on higher caliber PGs. He may decide to de-commit but I would be shocked if it's to go to Georgetown. So I hold out hope KJ is telling him A10 is the right level for him and to stay put. Also even if Ben initially committed due to KJ if Archie didn't build his own relationship with him at this point that's a massive fail. When EC committed his initial connection was via Preston but almost from Day 1 he talked about his connection to Dan.
If he decommits I could see George Mason as a top suitor
Yes. Lamar Butler.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:20 pm
by adam914
He ain't gone yet at least...


Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:21 pm
by ace
a lawyer drafted that tweet

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:22 pm
by adam914
ace wrote: 1 month ago a lawyer drafted that tweet
Haha for sure. I still anticipate he'll be gone eventually.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:25 pm
by Jersey77
adam914 wrote: 1 month ago
ace wrote: 1 month ago a lawyer drafted that tweet
Haha for sure. I still anticipate he'll be gone eventually.
Yep, sounds like just ironing out the final details.

Time to move on.

Re: Assistants under Coach Miller 2022-23

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:31 pm
by Jdrums#3
adam914 wrote: 1 month ago He ain't gone yet at least...

KJ exemplifying the same effort our players showed on D this past season.