The 2021 Coaching Carousel

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.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

[Blue Man]

.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

[Section104]

.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

or Indiana if they expedite Archie's termination. Interested to see if Archie and Shaka end up back at this level or just take a less desirable high major job. Something like Wake Forest/Georgia Tech for Shaka and DePaul for Archie.

[Iggy1979]

.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

And Beilein's strength is one-on-one skills coaching, which doesn't happen in the NBA.

[RF1]

A-10 Coaching Ranks

There had been building heat at Richmond but this season has likely saved Chris Mooney. I have seen some fan unhappiness with Dave Paulsen at GMU. The Patriots program has yet to really do well since joining the A-10. Hewitt failed and Paulsen has not succeeded to date. Some fans think Neubauer at Fordham could be out this year as another rearrangement of the Titanic deck chairs may be in order. The young talent at UMass may save McCall for another year but he remains vulnerable. All the other coaches look to be safe from firing. Some of these however could be possible candidates for higher profile jobs.

New England Coaching Ranks

Jim Christian's status at Boston College always seems to be on shaky ground. The Eagles are currently 13-13 in a down year for the ACC. Coaches such as Becker at UVM and Coen at Northeastern always seem to get mentions for moving up most years and this season may be no different.

[reef]

Any chance Beiline retires ?? He is 67

[SGreenwell]

.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

Well, it also helps if you don't call them "thugs," although he walked that back / claimed he didn't say that.

[SmartyBarrett]

A-10 Coaching Ranks

There had been building heat at Richmond but this season has likely saved Chris Mooney. I have seen some fan unhappiness with Dave Paulsen at GMU. The Patriots program has yet to really do well since joining the A-10. Hewitt failed and Paulsen has not succeeded to date. Some fans think Neubauer at Fordham could be out this year as another rearrangement of the Titanic deck chairs may be in order. The young talent at UMass may save McCall for another year but he remains vulnerable. All the other coaches look to be safe from firing. Some of these however could be possible candidates for higher profile jobs.

Yeah for the A-10, I think this is how I'd rank most likely to get fired:

1. Neubauer (Fordham)
2. Paulsen (George Mason)
3. McCall (UMass)
4. Everyone else (no other coaches will get fired)

[Rhody Guy]

wind it up. Time for the merry-go-round

[steviep123]

.......saw a ESPN report where a John Beilein is expected to be out in Cleveland......wonder where he will land......?

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

or Indiana if they expedite Archie's termination. Interested to see if Archie and Shaka end up back at this level or just take a less desirable high major job. Something like Wake Forest/Georgia Tech for Shaka and DePaul for Archie.

Anthony Grant has a run to the Elite 8 or beyond, and a P5 comes calling again. Archie Miller gets bought out at Indiana and goes back to Dayton. Stranger things have happened.

Seriously, the Athletic had a great article on Beilein's situation the other day:

https://theathletic.com/1615793/2020/02 ... n-college/

[ramster]

Anthony Grant player at Dayton
He just might like it there

[Section104]

Some guys are great college coaches...but that doesn't translate to the pros. You can't be the "disciplinarian" with multi-millionaire professionals. No idea why he left Michigan in the first place.

If Shaka is out at Texas, I would think that'd be a landing spot for him.

or Indiana if they expedite Archie's termination. Interested to see if Archie and Shaka end up back at this level or just take a less desirable high major job. Something like Wake Forest/Georgia Tech for Shaka and DePaul for Archie.

Anthony Grant has a run to the Elite 8 or beyond, and a P5 comes calling again. Archie Miller gets bought out at Indiana and goes back to Dayton. Stranger things have happened.

Seriously, the Athletic had a great article on Beilein's situation the other day:

https://theathletic.com/1615793/2020/02 ... n-college/

Leaving a mid-major (VCU - CAA at the time) once and getting fired by a P5 (Alabama) is okay the first time...I doubt he makes that jump again.

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.......even with Fordham being, well like Fordham, there will always be someone that is sure they can “fix” it and win there.......coaches egos are pretty up there......

[Iggy1979]

Miller would be a bad fire.

[Rhode_Island_Red]

.......even with Fordham being, well like Fordham, there will always be someone that is sure they can “fix” it and win there.......coaches egos are pretty up there......

Exactly. Coaches have huge egos and every one of them thinks, "I can fix that."

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.......even with Fordham being, well like Fordham, there will always be someone that is sure they can “fix” it and win there.......coaches egos are pretty up there......

Exactly. Coaches have huge egos and every one of them thinks, "I can fix that."

........while pissing on the leg of the AD and tell me/her it’s raining.....?

[SmartyBarrett]

We're probably going to be seeing Shaka Smart's name in this thread very soon.

[jaywin86]

Student Section looks lively though!

[Da_Process_Survivor]

Wow, that... That is not good

[reef]

Wow say it ain’t so Shaka Smart

How much was the final attendance??

[NYGFan_Section208]

Wow say it ain’t so Shaka Smart

How much was the final attendance??

123. No wait, that was the over/under....(for attendance?)

[PeterRamTime]

We're probably going to be seeing Shaka Smart's name in this thread very soon.

That is what he left an always sold out Siegel center and guaranteed tournament berths every year for.

[jaywin86]

Wow say it ain’t so Shaka Smart

How much was the final attendance??

8,395 per ESPN (51% of capacity)

seems like a good assessment..

[Rhody15]

I’ll never blame him for going to one of the biggest schools in the country with literally no recruiting budget.

He left, didn’t work out, he’ll land on his feet soon enough.

[reef]

He been there at Texas 5 years 85-76 and 35-48 in conference with 2 big dances and no wins

At a school with higher expectations I would expect a firing ???

[Blue Man]

I never understood Shaka going to Texas. I mean yes - unlimited budget, do whatever you want wherever you want...that sounds wicked appealing.

However - Texas is a football school. Always was, always will be. The other sports just exist and if they're not winning they get thrown out quick. If you don't win a national championship in a non-football sport no one cares. If you make say, the NCAA tournament in basketball - no one really cares either and they fire you.

Barnes got Texas to 16 NCAA appearances in 17 years. Rick Barnes was the Big 12 coach of the year the season before he was fired. Texas made the NCAA the season he was fired and lost in the first round. He was given the ultimatum to fire his assistants and he chose not to so they fired him. Doesn't sound like a super awesome environment to jump to.

VCU is a basketball school. Shaka was looked at the way Saban is looked at in Alabama. Shaka could literally do no wrong.

While I get the unlimited budget and resources part...what was VCU not giving to Shaka? VCU has one of the nicest practice facilities in the country. Rabid fanbase. Brand-recognized. Could dominate the A10 and continue to go to the NCAA, and he had already proven go to the final four or beyond.

I understand Hurley leaving for resources, because if there's one thing URI is great at doing - it's not providing resources to our basketball team. Charters, assistant coaching budget, practice facility, etc. But VCU has all of that, and they can recruit P5 talent to run roughshod in a non-P5 league.

[PeterRamTime]

Yeah Shaka took VCU to the final 4 and then the program grew stronger and stronger after that with him.

Dan's leave to UConn makes a little more sense in regards to what Blue Man said, but you have to think if he stayed and kept winning all those changes would have inevitably been made.

Shaka leaves being a legend at VCU to be just another head coach at a football school.

For what??? Win national Titles?

You know who had been in the final four most recently??

VCU!!! and they made it because of him!

Now Dan literally has to win at least one national title at UConn or else he will be looked at as a second best coach at best at UConn.

Where if he stayed here he would be A LEGEND and his prestige would be higher nationally if he in fact made URI the Gonzaga of the east as he said he would.

Seems like Gregg Marshall is the only guy who gets it.

Hopefully David Cox gets it

[RhodyKyle]

Yeah Shaka took VCU to the final 4 and then the program grew stronger and stronger after that with him.

Dan's leave to UConn makes a little more sense in regards to what Blue Man said, but you have to think if he stayed and kept winning all those changes would have inevitably been made.

Shaka leaves being a legend at VCU to be just another head coach at a football school.

For what??? Win national Titles?

You know who had been in the final four most recently??

VCU!!! and they made it because of him!

Now Dan literally has to win at least one national title at UConn or else he will be looked at as a second best coach at best at UConn.

Where if he stayed here he would be A LEGEND and his prestige would be higher nationally if he in fact made URI the Gonzaga of the east as he said he would.

Seems like Gregg Marshall is the only guy who gets it.

Hopefully David Cox gets it

You mentioned the school in your post. I think Mark Few might get it too.

[Rhodymob05]

I still cannot understand how Gonzaga is a powerhouse.

[PeterRamTime]

Yeah Shaka took VCU to the final 4 and then the program grew stronger and stronger after that with him.

Dan's leave to UConn makes a little more sense in regards to what Blue Man said, but you have to think if he stayed and kept winning all those changes would have inevitably been made.

Shaka leaves being a legend at VCU to be just another head coach at a football school.

For what??? Win national Titles?

You know who had been in the final four most recently??

VCU!!! and they made it because of him!

Now Dan literally has to win at least one national title at UConn or else he will be looked at as a second best coach at best at UConn.

Where if he stayed here he would be A LEGEND and his prestige would be higher nationally if he in fact made URI the Gonzaga of the east as he said he would.

Seems like Gregg Marshall is the only guy who gets it.

Hopefully David Cox gets it

You mentioned the school in your post. I think Mark Few might get it too.

Yes indeed I didnt mention the King of mid major coaches.

[PeterRamTime]

I still cannot understand how Gonzaga is a powerhouse.

Fun fact.

The Kennel (The Zags home arena) only seats 6,000!

[Blue Man]

Yeah Shaka took VCU to the final 4 and then the program grew stronger and stronger after that with him.

Dan's leave to UConn makes a little more sense in regards to what Blue Man said, but you have to think if he stayed and kept winning all those changes would have inevitably been made.

Shaka leaves being a legend at VCU to be just another head coach at a football school.

For what??? Win national Titles?

You know who had been in the final four most recently??

VCU!!! and they made it because of him!

Now Dan literally has to win at least one national title at UConn or else he will be looked at as a second best coach at best at UConn.

Where if he stayed here he would be A LEGEND and his prestige would be higher nationally if he in fact made URI the Gonzaga of the east as he said he would.

Seems like Gregg Marshall is the only guy who gets it.

Hopefully David Cox gets it

100% agree. I don't blame Dan a bit because "inevitably" is thrown around a lot around here. A "promise" is about as good as the paper it's printed on.

10-15 years ago we were recruiting football players on the promise of our inevitable new stadium.

If it were really going to be a reality, Cox would have a practice facility under construction now.

Tough to argue with Dan's logic of walking into a built, stand-alone practice facility and charter-flight hours instead of being told "some day soon" over and over again.

Shaka had all of that and then some. He built the program and he could've finally just coached it.

Few. Marshall. Certain guys do "get it" - you could even look in our own conference for examples. Chaney. Martelli. McKillop and Schmidt as well.

I never understood Archie leaving Dayton either.

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........mol-la-de......

[reef]

Does anyone know how much Shaka was making when he left VCU to how much cash Texas gave him ??? Must have been the cash ??

[steviep123]

Me seeing this year's "Coaching Carosel" thread:

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[PeterRamTime]

I could see Shaka ending up at George Mason.

Please not UMass...

Also, if I was VCU and didnt make the tournament this year and saw that Texas fired Shaka.... I'd fire Rhoades and bring Shaka back...

[Rhody83]

Does anyone know how much Shaka was making when he left VCU to how much cash Texas gave him ??? Must have been the cash ??

Shaka made $1.8 million his last year at VCU. They offered him $2.8 million to try to keep him from leaving.
He got a 7 year contract at Texas for $3.1 million/year with 6 years guaranteed. After year 1,Texas guaranteed the 7th year.
His contract goes thru the 2022-23 season.

[reef]

Yeah it’s all about the money baby . Why stay at VCU and make less when you can get that much more at a P5 with all those guaranteed years ??? Can’t say I don’t blame Shaka for leaving but if I am Texas they have the cash and should fire him ???

[PeterRamTime]

Some major investments here.

[Rhody15]

Some major investments here.

And this is exhibit A why Shaka left VCU.

[giovanni]

[NYGFan_Section208]

Interesting contrast in these last two posts. Texas, investing a gajillion dollars in an arena and practice facility for a hoops team...and UConn, battling Ollie, mostly because they can't/don't want to pay him. I'm guessing if same sitch in TX, Ollie woulda been paid from the 'let-go' and we probably wouldn't have heard boo about it.

[reef]

Why does DH get served by Ollies lawyers ?? Makes no sense ??

[URI_05]

They want to see when UConn first contacted him. If it was before Ollie was fired they could be on the hook for some big bucks.

https://www.nhregister.com/uconn/articl ... 077929.php

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.......does anyone actually think the UConn officials woke one morning after the Ollie firing and said, now what.....?

[URI_05]

.......does anyone actually think the UConn officials woke one morning after the Ollie firing and said, now what.....?

Nope, but it certainly would help Ollies case if there’s proof they were shopping for coaches ahead of time.

[phipsiGD'11]

I think URI as an institution is above this type of thing, but would the University have any fight if it is found UCONN had actively recruited Hurley while he was still under contract with us?

[rhodylaw]

.......does anyone actually think the UConn officials woke one morning after the Ollie firing and said, now what.....?

Nope, but it certainly would help Ollies case if there’s proof they were shopping for coaches ahead of time.

I mean it is quite clear that UConn was recruiting DH well before Ollie was fired. It’s just coincidence that Jim Calhoun starts hanging around the program? Ollie should be pissed at his mentor Calhoun who was clearly in on the scouting of Hurley.

[RhowdyRam02]

I think URI as an institution is above this type of thing, but would the University have any fight if it is found UCONN had actively recruited Hurley while he was still under contract with us?

Probably not, and even if we did that could be a bad look if we actually try to fight it. If the season was ongoing and they reached out (and we know they did with Calhoun and Moore) than I'd like to at least see some favorable scheduling come our way to make us whole

[RF1]

I am loving the mess that UConn has created in Storrs. The school has a history of being less than honorable and deserves all the crap it is now getting. If they had just fired Ollie and paid him what was due per his contract, all of this would have been avoided. They however took the slime ball route and decided to fire "with cause", not pay him, and smear one of their former players and alums. Given the previous coach had many infractions and termination was never considered tells you all you need to know. UConn had little issue with NCAA infractions. It did however have a big problem with losing and that is the real reason Ollie was fired. I hope UConn's very probable interactions with Hurley well before Ollie was fired come out in public so the school is exposed for how it really operates.