‘20 TN PG - Norance Tres Berry (URI ---> Charleston Southern)

[steviep123]

So by official, do they mean that NLIs were signed (do transfers sign NLIs)?

[DC_Rams]

So by official, do they mean that NLIs were signed (do transfers sign NLIs)?

For the transfers, we received their transcripts.

[RIFan]

It's so weird that I now hope none of the freshman turn out to be really good.

[DevRam]

It so weird that I now hope none of the freshman turn out to be really good.

Doesn’t matter. i.e. Mekhi Long i.e. Gregory Hammond i.e. Jacob Toppin

[RIFan]

I know, i was being factious. They leave if they are good, they leave if they think they are good and don't get enough playing time, they leave if they are homesick...

[rhodyfan3000]

See the freshman players, the same way you see a potential head coach hire.

Namely, you want them to be as successful as humanly possible. That is the only way to help the program as a whole.

But at the same time, remember, if they are wildly successful, and we want that, they could end up leaving if offered for a sweetheart deal.

Same as the coach.

[ramster]

See the freshman players, the same way you see a potential head coach hire.

Namely, you want them to be as successful as humanly possible. That is the only way to help the program as a whole.

But at the same time, remember, if they are wildly successful, and we want that, they could end up leaving if offered for a sweetheart deal.

Same as the coach.

[DeanDome88]

It will be interesting to see which of the freshman guards earns playing time. It seems pretty evident that Cox will play the best defenders more often than not. Maybe we can get this recruit thread pinned?

[sevegny7]

[rambone 78]

Great news!

[DevRam]

I wonder what number he will rock considering #3 is retired. I was thinking maybe 33? Interesting that he is wearing a #5 in that picture though.

[steviep123]

Walker has 5 currently.

[SandorClegane]

Let’s pin this man!

[DeanDome88]

bump until he is pinned...

[SGreenwell]

bump until he is pinned...

I thinnkkkk I got it.

[SandorClegane]

The departure of Wood makes the Berry signing look super important. I like this kid.

[TrevlontRook3]

How many minutes/ game are we expecting out of him this season?

[rhodyfan3000]

If the transfers aren't eligible? If Fatts doesn't return? Sky's the limit. 30-35 mins probably.

[rhodyblue12]

All I know is that if you can play D, you will get minutes from Cox. Defense is Berry's calling card.
He will play plenty no matter what.

[phipsiGD'11]

With Fatts and NO transfers - 20mpg
With Fatts and YES transfers - 12mpg

Without Fatts and NO transfers - 30mpg
Without Fatts and YES transfers - 15mpg

How's that for a guess? Also shows the wild disparity that this team could have depending on 2 pivotal decisions.

[TrevlontRook3]

With Fatts and NO transfers - 20mpg
With Fatts and YES transfers - 12mpg

Without Fatts and NO transfers - 30mpg
Without Fatts and YES transfers - 15mpg

How's that for a guess? Also shows the wild disparity that this team could have depending on 2 pivotal decisions.

Love it, exactly what I was looking for

[DC_Rams]

[sevegny7]

Man I couldnt love Ishamel Leggett and Tres Berry anymore. Seem like really high character guys who truely have a lot of talent. Both really seem like they really want to be at rhody.


The little tid bit about fighting for his sister and trying to get better every day for her due to her lupus condition just exemplifies it.

Cant wait to watch these guys play.

[reef]

Agree great listen there

[FDshoes]

Did Cox say in an interview recently that Tres may redshirt?

[Rhody74]

Did Cox say in an interview recently that Tres may redshirt?

Yes he did but it seemed almost an offhand comment.

[RhodyRams12]

Did Cox say in an interview recently that Tres may redshirt?

Yes he did but it seemed almost an offhand comment.

Yes, he said that he may be a redshirt candidate but is weighing their options.

[KevanBoyles]

Why red shirt if everyone’s getting a free pass this year anyway?

[KingstonLane]

Why red shirt if everyone’s getting a free pass this year anyway?

Playing time, only so many minutes to go around.

[KevanBoyles]

Then why make the decision at all? What’s the point? I don’t understand.

[KingstonLane]

These kids are good players who have likely been the best player on their team their whole life until now. Not playing is an adjustment. Easier to redshirt, make it clear you’re developing them, then have them constantly in a frustrating situation where they think they’re doing everything right and still not seeing the floor

This isn’t specific to Tres. Just broadly

[ramster]

But to the point made, why not just leave things as they are? Berry can simply sit out the season, just as a RedShirt designation would indicate. Why not just do nothing?
Everyone on the team gets a free year anyway.
Sounds like Cox and his Coaching staff simply have a conversation with Berry as to where he stands with playing time and that's that.

[KingstonLane]

I get what you’re saying, but I really think it’s a mental thing. Berry shows up everyday and thinks he’s better than these guys in practice and still isn’t getting minutes? That’s frustrating.

If you’re red shirted there’s ZERO expectation of playing time. I think it’s why make something any more difficult than it needs to be

[ramster]

If you get the designation of RedShirt, does that mean you are out for the season? Is it possible to "un-Redshirt" at any time during the year?
So if 4 guys decide to transfer at the end of OOC play, would Berry be able to "un-RedShirt?"
Seems the simplest thing in this Covid 2020 Year with all players getting the free extra year would be to do nothing. Just have Cox converse with Berry as to his status which is what he should be doing anyway, RedShirt or no RedShirt.

[KingstonLane]

If we have 4 kids transfer a month from now we have bigger problems than is Tres Berry redshirting

[ramster]

Sure we do, but the example is to just try to understand what the advantages of Red-Shirting Berry are. I cannot think of a single advantage - only disadvantages.
Also wonder what Berry wants. I can't imagine he would want to be Red-Shirted.

[SGreenwell]

Sure we do, but the example is to just try to understand what the advantages of Red-Shirting Berry are. I cannot think of a single advantage - only disadvantages.
Also wonder what Berry wants. I can't imagine he would want to be Red-Shirted.

As others have said - For him, it means he doesn't have to worry about whether he's going to get into a game, or if he needs to prepare for Player X on Dayton. He can focus solely on developing his game. Maybe it means he's taking 500 shots after practice, the night before a game, instead of going to bed early because he might play. Also, while it currently looks like the NCAA is going to keep going in the direction of increased player movement and granting waivers, we can't be sure that it'll stay that way 3 to 4 years from now.

[KingstonLane]

Sure we do, but the example is to just try to understand what the advantages of Red-Shirting Berry are. I cannot think of a single advantage - only disadvantages.
Also wonder what Berry wants. I can't imagine he would want to be Red-Shirted.

The sooner you stop underestimating the egos of D1 athletes the easier it will be to understand. I totally see what you’re saying. This is the easiest way to handle things, otherwise they wouldn’t do it this way

[ramster]

When players come in, they see the level of talent surrounding them.
The players themselves know where they stand. Sure it helps if the Head Coach tells them, but trust me they know.

[Billyboy78]

I thought I saw Tres dressed last night while Betrand wasn't.

[DC_Rams]

Berry wouldn’t see the floor. It’s hard to play more than 10 bodies. Bertrand was prepared to sit out and was okay with the decision. Do not need that many mouths to feed. Next season, this will be Bertrand’s team.

[rjsuperfly66]

There is no reason for any player to redshirt, just like there is no reason for any player to not fight for eligibility as a transfer.

The second the NCAA said it's a free year, there is no reason to force a kid to sit. Why waste a year of a transfer or a few minutes here or there of game experience for a "redshirt candidate?"

You can still set the same expectations up-front -- "Look kid, the original plan was for you to sit, but given the current environment you will still dress and you may get a few minutes here or there if time allows, but let's focus on getting better."

Same thing for a transfer -- If you have a kid that may be able to contribute a few minutes here or there, why are you going to burn a free year of eligibility if you could get an approved waiver?

Heck, if anything, it's extra depth on the bench in the event of an emergency. It's like being a redshirt or sitting transfer with the chance to get a few minutes here or there as needed. And if you have 2-3 players get injured, maybe one of them can step in and play a bigger role for you and it won't cost you a thing.

That my friends is a win, win, win!!

[KingstonLane]

There is no reason for any player to redshirt, just like there is no reason for any player to not fight for eligibility as a transfer.

The second the NCAA said it's a free year, there is no reason to force a kid to sit. Why waste a year of a transfer or a few minutes here or there of game experience for a "redshirt candidate?"

You can still set the same expectations up-front -- "Look kid, the original plan was for you to sit, but given the current environment you will still dress and you may get a few minutes here or there if time allows, but let's focus on getting better."

Same thing for a transfer -- If you have a kid that may be able to contribute a few minutes here or there, why are you going to burn a free year of eligibility if you could get an approved waiver?

Heck, if anything, it's extra depth on the bench in the event of an emergency. It's like being a redshirt or sitting transfer with the chance to get a few minutes here or there as needed. And if you have 2-3 players get injured, maybe one of them can step in and play a bigger role for you and it won't cost you a thing.

That my friends is a win, win, win!!

All your points here and all the same points that have been made are obviously true and straightforward.

I’ve said it multiple times here and I’ll say it again one more time. You’re a redshirt so you CANT play is easier to swallow and communicate than you’re “developing” and you WONT play. You guys really think D1 coaches haven’t thought this through before? There’s clearly a reason why it’s done from a player management standpoint

[rjsuperfly66]

Except that's only at best partially true -- There are many teams around the country, specifically with transfers, that fought to get them eligible only after hearing about the rule changes for this season. Your former player Jacob Toppin is one example. PC's Ed Croswell is another example (although Croswell was originally a personal choice over a team choice). Both were to sit and "develop," but both programs submitted waivers only after hearing that they could keep the free year and play as needed. So clearly at least among some coaching circles there was a change in strategy based on the rules for this season.

And to be frank, aren't the two statements "You're a redshirt and you can't play" and "You're developing and you won't play" just different ways of saying the same thing? If a kid had the ability, he's in the rotation (or you are fighting the NCAA to get him into your rotation), playing every night. When you approach a kid to redshirt, or you tell a transfer you aren't going to apply for immediate eligiblity, you are already telling them you don't want to waste the year of eligibility because you don't see them making an impact that season. The players aren't stupid, they know what it means, just like we do.

Just as a coach is setting expectations with a player by redshirting them, it's on the coach to also set expectations on playing time that this is essentially a redshirt season unless the situation allows for minutes to be played. And frankly, if you are playing a team and getting pasted by 25 points early in the second half, I'd rather throw that unproven player out there for a few minutes to see what he has, but that's just me ...

[DC_Rams]

He hasn’t been redshirt, so the points are moot.

[Billyboy78]

He hasn’t been redshirt, so the points are moot.

He still can be.

[DC_Rams]

.... until then.

[ramster]

.... until then.

So from KingstonLane's viewpoint, Cox is in error in his handing of Berry's Redshirt.

The Coaches communicate to the players their status on the team frequently. At least the good Coaches do.

[DC_Rams]

We don’t know what communication hes had. What’s your point?

[ramster]

We don’t know what communication hes had. What’s your point?

The point is it doesn't matter if he redshirts or not. The Head Coach is going to communicate with his players as to where they stand - he doesn't need to let Red-shirting or Not Red-shirting speak for him.

There is no reason to redshirt a player when they all get an extra year anyway