Walker Availability

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

This is a concern. Shocking with the easy of so many waivers for players that transferred after the season.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 4 years ago

Am I alone in having thought that this was already resolved like months ago? Not sure if I misheard something or misunderstood something or just assumed it at some point.

phipsiGD'11 · Unread post by **phipsiGD'11** » 4 years ago

This news is actually very critical to our OOC success and a bid for NCAA.
Obviously he is a little bit of a question mark at the moment but he is certainly needed for giving Cyril and Harris some breathing spells.
Dont take it as a good sign that we dont have the waiver yet.

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 4 years ago

The NCAA doing its best to be the NCAA.

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 4 years ago

Didn’t even think this was an issue at all.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 4 years ago

Uhhhhhhhhh.

WTH?

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 4 years ago

Yeah, this is less than ideal.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 4 years ago

Yeah, I had asked about this in the off-season thread a week ago. I still think it’s just a technicality and will probably be fine.

For the record-

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 4 years ago

Doesn't sound like he's playing Saturday based on this. Unless he gets the waiver tomorrow.

adam914 · Unread post by **adam914** » 4 years ago

ace wrote: ↑4 years ago Yeah, I had asked about this in the off-season thread a week ago. I still think it’s just a technicality and will probably be fine.

For the record-

That's some good perspective on how many are actually without a ruling yet. I was worried he was one of the few and there was something else going on.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 4 years ago

So, about 65% of the cases haven't been ruled on yet. What the hell are they waiting for?

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

The NCAA is incompetent.

ElmCityRhody · Unread post by **ElmCityRhody** » 4 years ago

Wow - I asked this months ago and was told he is eligible

This bloowssss

Wake up ncaa wake up

Horrible news

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 4 years ago

Yeah what the hell the season opener is getting close and the NCAA is dragging its feet

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 4 years ago

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑4 years ago Wow - I asked this months ago and was told he is eligible

This bloowssss

Wake up ncaa wake up

Horrible news

Isn’t the “news” here that there is no news?

Unread post by **SGreenwell** » 4 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑4 years ago So, about 65% of the cases haven't been ruled on yet. What the hell are they waiting for?

Can't remember if it was on "Last Week Tonight" or something else, but I think the issue is typically that the NCAA doesn't have nearly as many enforcement and compliance officers as it should. You know, for an organization that allegedly cares about amateurism because they can't possibly pay players, despite an $8.8 billion TV contract.

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 4 years ago

How do guys like Braxton Key for UVA get a waiver so fast?

The guy played at Alabama in 17/18 played every game and somehow got a damn waiver immediately to play on UVA's national championship team.

There are many other similar examples of power teams being able to do things like that.

I mean Walker got out of a bad situation and his life has improved in this new environment.

Didnt even play for Gtown last year.
What gives?

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

Some players get the waiver immediately for family situations. Heron for St. John’s last year.
David Beatty immediate waiver at LaSalle surprised my last year because he played games for South Carolina the year before.
Omar played the entire season and got an immediate waiver to play at Hofstra. I think that was related to a family member’s health.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 4 years ago

The previous school can also matter, like if a school admits they basically ran off a guy.

Omar’s immediate eligibility was a combination of things. Walker was kicked off the team, so nothing’s getting held up by Georgetown.

It’s not always the big schools that get the breaks. As mentioned above, there does seem to be an issue with staffing and resource allocation. He was probably exaggerating a bit, but I was once told it’s “basically two people surrounded by a shit-ton of paperwork.”

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 4 years ago

Anybody know how likely it is that he doesnt get a waiver?

Taylor Swift · Unread post by **Taylor Swift** » 4 years ago

ElmCityRhody wrote: ↑4 years ago Wow - I asked this months ago and was told he is eligible

This bloowssss

Wake up ncaa wake up

Horrible news

Sounds like the NCAA needs to CUT BAIT in their administrative offices.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

ace wrote: ↑4 years ago The previous school can also matter, like if a school admits they basically ran off a guy.

Omar’s immediate eligibility was a combination of things. Walker was kicked off the team, so nothing’s getting held up by Georgetown.

It’s not always the big schools that get the breaks. As mentioned above, there does seem to be an issue with staffing and resource allocation. He was probably exaggerating a bit, but I was once told it’s “basically two people surrounded by a shit-ton of paperwork.”

Goodman’s totals from his previous tally don’t add up (went from 114 total to 121 total).
The bad news is that out of 40 previous decisions 4 were rejected (10%) and out of the last 14 decisions 4 were rejected (29%).
It seems if Cox felt this was a risk in the Spring, they should’ve put more effort into using the open scholarship to get a serviceable big man.

CHICO 78 · Unread post by **CHICO 78** » 4 years ago

We may end up seeing Tate and DJ backing up Cyril and Jermaine and hopefully
the imbeciles at the NCAA see fit to grant Walker his waiver before too long.

phipsiGD'11 · Unread post by **phipsiGD'11** » 4 years ago

If hes not eligible for fall semester could he become eligible for the Spring?

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

phipsiGD'11 wrote: ↑4 years ago If hes not eligible for fall semester could he become eligible for the Spring?

He is definitely eligible as soon as the First Semester is over (once grades are released). That should be sometime between Dec 21-27.
His first game would be either Dec 27 vs W. Kentucky or Dec 29 vs Middle Tenn.

Edit: W. Kentucky is on Dec 21st.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 4 years ago

I hope the NCAA isn't doing it in alphabetical order.....

eli#10 · Unread post by **eli#10** » 4 years ago

I think the end of the semester is the after the final day of exams not when grades are released.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

Final day of exams is Dec 20th and exam make up day is Dec21st.
Mistake by me above the W. Kentucky game is on Dec 21st.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

ElmCityRhody · Unread post by **ElmCityRhody** » 4 years ago

Granted I don’t know how this all works but why does the ncaa punish these kids ?

Let them play if they are eligible

67 undecided ?.. well decide already

My goodness

Make a decision and allow the eligible kids to play day 1

I don’t get this at all

It’s effin 67 - not 670...

Losers ncaa who just want to pocket their wallets and don’t care about these kids who are padding them

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 4 years ago

.......time for the NCAA to get woke with the modern day realities of the athlete/students......no?

NC_Ram · Unread post by **NC_Ram** » 4 years ago

Rhody83 wrote: ↑4 years ago

one can only imagine the timeline of an appeal given their incompetence with the base process!

CamsRams · Unread post by **CamsRams** » 4 years ago

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 4 years ago

CamsRams wrote: ↑4 years ago

Oh my god no way....

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 4 years ago

Cox and staff have known about Walker and Sheppard's situation for months.

Just that the NCAA is dragging their feet as usual.

Walker will be eligible worst case scenario late December.

Sheppard's status isn't as clear.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 4 years ago

What is not clear about it, exactly?

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 4 years ago

That he might not qualify to play.

At all. This is as far as I was told.

I had thought the situation had been resolved. Obviously, it hasn't.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 4 years ago

What a bunch of Bs.

PeteRI · Unread post by **PeteRI** » 4 years ago

Hope this gets resolved pronto.

UCH21377 · Unread post by **UCH21377** » 4 years ago

What would the "waiver" be for Sheppard? He was a year in JC so it's not a transfer situation right? If it's grades you either qualify or not I thought. Must have to do with his transcripts, classes etc.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 4 years ago

Most of this information is already known but just to clarify-

https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/11/20/ant ... de-island/

“Per multiple sources familiar with the situation, Walker was involved in several altercations, stemming from a dispute with another Georgetown student athlete from a different Georgetown athletic program. At least two of the aforementioned altercations became physical, and Walker injured his hand in the process.”

Walker was dismissed from the basketball program in October. Did he leave school at that time, too?

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https://247sports.com/college/east-caro ... 117891940/

For Sheppard, the issue is academics. He played and was eligible in 16-17. He was enrolled at ECU in 17-18 but did not play and seems to have left not in good academic standing.

“Despite missing this entire past season (17-18) due to a violation of team rules combined with his academic standing, Sheppard was initially seen as a candidate to stick on the roster following Dooley’s introduction. He went to the coach’s first team meeting, but per sources, another rules violation led to his recent dismissal.”

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I’m not posting this to make anyone look bad or to say they shouldn’t have been recruited. I’m all for second and third chances, outside of certain circumstances, but it does complicate things when it’s 2 of the 12 roster spots. If I had to guess, based on following basketball and the waiver game in general but not any specific information, Walker will be eligible for the start of the season. I have no idea what to think with Sheppard.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 4 years ago

.......the sometimes problems with transfers......their past comes in their suitcases......

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

You could see spells of a big lineup for Rhody. One of Jeff and Fatts will be on the court playing PG all 40 minutes in any close game. When one of them sits we will most likely see Tyrese and Dana on the floor together. Defensively one of them will have to cover the opponent’s SG. This is probably one of the reasons Cox wanted Dana to trim down and get quicker and told Tyrese to focus on improving his ball handling this summer.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 4 years ago

Tyrese at the 2 will be a nightmare for opposing defenses.

However when he's on D, that's a question.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 4 years ago

Rasheem Dunn was denied a waiver at St. John’s. He last played in 17-18 and then transferred to Cleveland State, where he sat out for the 18-19 season because of transfer rules. Then, the Cleveland St. coach was fired in July of 2019, so he left for St. John’s, committing in August of 2019. So now he has to sit out two straight years? None of it makes sense, except that the Cleveland State AD is horrible. For a while, KI was going to be one of the last players to receive a waiver, and everyone was going to have to sit out, no matter what. That doesn’t seem fair, but neither does the current approach. Walker couldn’t have stayed at Georgetown, so maybe that helps?

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 4 years ago

You have to love a process where one of the least trusted institutions in the country is making decisions with no transparency and no accountability. If there is one thing in life that gives me comfort, it’s an organization with billions of dollars in revenue deciding the futures of its unpaid laborers in a black box.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 4 years ago

Some eligibility waivers are easy and some are not easy. It is not FIFO. Some schools are better at assuring that the paperwork is in on time and complete. Some times there are games being played between the new school and the athlete. It s not the NCAAs incompetence.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 4 years ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑4 years ago You have to love a process where one of the least trusted institutions in the country is making decisions with no transparency and no accountability. If there is one thing in life that gives me comfort, it’s an organization with billions of dollars in revenue deciding the futures of its unpaid laborers in a black box.

The rules are pretty black and white - If you transfer your must sit for one full year before playing again. While I think we all want consistency, I don’t think the NCAA owes it to anyone to provide color on a ruling that is an exception. Frankly, teams should be preparing teams/fans for the worst and working through these exceptions privately to tame expectations. However, I do agree that I’m not sure why the pace on these is so slow. I’m guessing it has more to do with back and forth, information collection, etc., but it’s still tedious.

Personally I’m in favor of less of these waivers, not more. If it were me, player is only granted waiver if coach leaves or is fired. If a kid gets thrown out of school, or voluntarily leaves a school, or wants to play closer to home, should be a high threshold to play immediately.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 4 years ago

Rhody72 wrote: ↑4 years ago Some eligibility waivers are easy and some are not easy. It is not FIFO. Some schools are better at assuring that the paperwork is in on time and complete. Some times there are games being played between the new school and the athlete. It s not the NCAAs incompetence.

Do you monitor every waiver application?
All of the reporters that cover college basketball have negative comments about the process.

Fyi, GTown is not contesting Walker’s waiver request and the application was filed in May.

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