Diamond Head Classic

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

I thought the tournament warrants a thread separate from Games of Interest thread.

The Diamond Head Classic is being held at the Stan Sheriff Center, the home court of the U. of Hawaii and located on their campus in Manoa. The center, constructed in 1994, seats 10,300 and is named after the UH Athletics Director who lobbied for its construction.

The tournament will play out over three days with the opening round on Saturday, semifinals on Sunday, then Christmas Eve off and the finals on Christmas Day, 9 PM ET. This is a fully bracketed tournament, so all six teams will see three games of action and one team will go home with the crown and another will go home winless. Given the 5 hour time difference between the East Coast and Hawaii, all times noted in this thread will be ET.

Saturday, December 22 Schedule:

Game #1 Indiana State versus Colorado, 3 PM. On ESPNU

Game #2 UNLV versus Hawaii, 5 PM. On ESPNU.

Game #3 Rhode Island versus Bucknell, 10 PM. On ESPN3.

Game # 4 TCU versus Charlotte, 12:30 AM. On ESPN3.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Diamond Head Classic at Stan Sheriff Center

Tournament Field with NET rank and records through games of 12-20-18:
39 TCU 8-1
44 Colorado 8-1
102 URI 5-3
127 Indiana St 6-3
143 Hawaii 6-4
153 UNLV 5-4
235 Bucknell 4-5
279 Charlotte 3-5

Diamond Head Classic
https://espnevents.com/diamond-head-classic/bracket/

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Taylor Swift · Unread post by **Taylor Swift** » 5 years ago

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

I would bet the water is warmer there than any time they ever trained at Scarborough.

luke · Unread post by **luke** » 5 years ago

Love the Outrigger Waikiki , my favorite hotel . Right on the Beach . Enjoy it guys.

Taylor Swift · Unread post by **Taylor Swift** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago I would bet the water is warmer there than any time they ever trained at Scarborough.

And cleaner! There’s a sewage plant at one end of Scarborough. Next time they need to go to Town Beach.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 5 years ago

Taylor Swift wrote: ↑5 years ago
RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago I would bet the water is warmer there than any time they ever trained at Scarborough.
And cleaner! There’s a sewage plant at one end of Scarborough. Next time they need to go to Town Beach.

.......and there, no one will get impacts from the cable under the sand from the Wind Farm at Scarborough.....

Taylor Swift · Unread post by **Taylor Swift** » 5 years ago

section(105) wrote: ↑5 years ago
Taylor Swift wrote: ↑5 years ago
RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago I would bet the water is warmer there than any time they ever trained at Scarborough.
And cleaner! There’s a sewage plant at one end of Scarborough. Next time they need to go to Town Beach.
.......and there, no one will get impacts from the cable under the sand from the Wind Farm at Scarborough.....

This is the truth! The north end of Scarborough has a terrible seaweed problem and we called it “Stinky Beach” as kids.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Good to see the guys enjoying themselves on the beach

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 5 years ago

reef wrote: ↑5 years ago Good to see the guys enjoying themselves on the beach

........maybe this will be the change in routine they need to loosen up and results in better shooting......?

Rhode_Island_Red · Unread post by **Rhode_Island_Red** » 5 years ago

Maybe now they can at least hit the ocean from the beach ...

Rammgr · Unread post by **Rammgr** » 5 years ago

Stayed at the Outrigger 7 yrs ago. Great place. 41 yrs ago stayed at the Ilikai when we played in the Rainbow Classic.

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 5 years ago

Rhode_Island_Red wrote: ↑5 years ago Maybe now they can at least hit the ocean from the beach ...

That was the message from Cox. It’s like putting the ball in the ocean

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 5 years ago

If we could somehow win this tournament, our RPI will be in the low to mid 30's.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

RPI is a meaningless statistic. NET and KenPom only thing worth looking at

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

They're underway in the Diamond Head Classic as Indiana State has an early lead over Colorado, 12-10.

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago RPI is a meaningless statistic. NET and KenPom only thing worth looking at

It is? So is a Q1 win based on NET or Kenpom?

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

The entire selection process is so subjective that all measures are of equal meaning, or meaninglessness, depending on your view. It's not like they use them to pick the field...they pick the field first and then (sometimes) use the measures they want to justify it. See: Syracuse, almost every year.

RhodyKyle · Unread post by **RhodyKyle** » 5 years ago

theblueram wrote: ↑5 years ago
bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago RPI is a meaningless statistic. NET and KenPom only thing worth looking at
It is? So is a Q1 win based on NET or Kenpom?

NET

theblueram · Unread post by **theblueram** » 5 years ago

RhodyKyle wrote: ↑5 years ago
theblueram wrote: ↑5 years ago
bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago RPI is a meaningless statistic. NET and KenPom only thing worth looking at
It is? So is a Q1 win based on NET or Kenpom?
NET

So I guess RJ needs to adjust his quadrants. Because based on NET, pc will play 7 Q1, 7 Q2 and 4 Q3 games in conference based on today's NET.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

At the half of Game #1 in the Classic, Indiana State leads Colorado, 36-28.

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 5 years ago

Indiana State hangs on for the upset.

Unread post by **ATPTourFan** » 5 years ago

Um... well there goes a decent potential opponent. Just take care of business tonight, Rams!

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Not really sure how good Colorado is they had a nice record but look at their schedule

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #2 is in the books as UNLV defeats host Hawaii, 73-59. The game was close for the first half, but UNLV broke it open in the second stanza. UNLV will now take on Indiana State in a semifinal game Sunday at 4:30 PM. Game will be on ESPN2.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #3 is complete and URI unexpectedly is headed to the consolation round with the loss to Bucknell. The Rams will play the loser of TCU-Charlotte game at 12:30 AM tomorrow, actually Dec 24 ET. Unfortunately no matter the outcomes the next two URI games will be televised on ESPNU channel with its limited availability.

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 5 years ago

So we now play Monday at 12:30 am on ESPNU and B101 and Christmas day at either 1 or 3:30 pm on ESPNU and 920 am

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #4 which pitted the highest ranked tournament team against the worst is now complete as TCU easily defeated Charlotte, 82-57, in a game the Horned Frogs never trailed.

Reviewing the Saturday's game action, most of the games were easily decided with the URI game being the closest. It also was the biggest upset.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Sunday, December 23 Schedule:

Game #5 Indiana State versus UNLV, 4:30 PM. On ESPN2 - Semifinal #1

Game #6 Colorado versus Hawaii, 7 PM. On ESPNU. Consolation Round

Game #7 Bucknell versus TCU, 10 PM. On ESPN2. Semifinal #2

Game # 8 Charlotte versus Rhode Island, 12:30 AM. On ESPNU. Consolation Round

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 5 years ago

Well that start time sucks. But silver lining is a win could see them face Colorado on Christmas. They're not TCU, but it could've been worse.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

Obadiah wrote: ↑5 years ago Game #3 is complete and URI unexpectedly is headed to the consolation round with the loss to Bucknell. The Rams will play the loser of TCU-Charlotte game at 12:30 AM tomorrow, actually Dec 24 ET. Unfortunately no matter the outcomes the next two URI games will be televised on ESPNU channel with its limited availability.

"Better ESPNU than ESPN3 or +", said the guy who spends way too much on cable....

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

The loss to Bucknell in a tournament is somethings more than a regular loss because of the domino effect of tournaments . Instead of facing top level TCU, where even if we lose there is lots of upside potential, now instead we get to play Charlotte and there is no upside to this game, only a downside and a severe one at that if URI should lose. That would quickly turn the trip to Paradise into one of horror.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #5, Semifinal #1, is now in the books as Indiana State beats UNLV, 84-79. Indiana State never trailed in game and had a 10 point lead with 5 minutes left before UNLV made a run to cut the margin to one with a minute left, but the Rebels could not go further. Indiana State now moves to the Championship game.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #6, the first consolation round game, has just ended with Hawaii the winner in OT over Colorado, 70-62.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

Colorado a tad overrated I guess.

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Obadiah wrote: ↑5 years ago Game #6, the first consolation round game, has just ended with Hawaii the winner in OT over Colorado, 70-62.

Would this mean URI, should it beat Charlotte, then face Hawaii on its own homecourt? That would make getting two wins in HI much more difficult. It would also mean URI played no name teams in the tourney and likely not help the sos.

CHICO 78 · Unread post by **CHICO 78** » 5 years ago

SOS Doesn’t really matter when your not getting an AT LARGE bid to the NCAA and no one in the A10 is getting an at large bid.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

You are right. If URI beats Charlotte we get Hawaii. If URI loses to Charlotte we meet Colorado and a chance to be the winless team in the tournament. Was not impressed with the field in this tournament from the get-go. Why travel 5000 miles, incur the expense and spend the Christmas holiday away from family and friends to play Bucknell, Charlotte et al. Last year we went 120 miles and got Seton Hall and Virginia. This is just the capper on what I thought was an awful OOC schedule, not so much the level of opponents, but the lunacy of the logistics - the small number of home games, the 33 day gap between the last two home games in the OOC, playing a very weak team at home and then playing strong one on the road 8 days later, etc. . Doesn't make sense when you have several young, inexperienced players.

Native · Unread post by **Native** » 5 years ago

Rams playing like they have something to prove

Leading 20-5 at the 13 minute mark of first half

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 5 years ago

And so we play a road game on Christmas around 3:30 pm on ESPNU

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Game #7 results, TCU beat Bucknell, 82-65. After a close first half where Bushnell scored 41 points, TCU tightened its defenses in the second stanza to limit the Bisons to only 24 points.

As reported in another thread, URI beat Charlotte in Game #8, 75-61. URI never trailed in the game.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Tuesday, December 25 Schedule:

Game #9 Colorado versus Charlotte, 1:00 PM. On ESPNU - 7th Place Game

Game #10 Rhode Island, versus Hawaii , 3 PM. On ESPNU. 5th Place Game

Game #11 UNLV versus Bucknell , 6:30 PM. On ESPNU. 3rd Place Game

Game #12 Indiana State versus TCU, 9 PM . On ESPN2. Championship Game

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

Crappy opponents, poor tv exposure, bad start times, playing a team on its home court, long travel, inconsistent play by team, loss to lower level team, etc... This tournament has pretty much sucked for URI and its fans in nearly all aspects except for the non game time spent in HI that those who traveled there got.

Section104 · Unread post by **Section104** » 5 years ago

For a team that won’t make the NCAA tournament there’s tremendous value having them spend a week together in a beautiful location - regardless of exposure/timing/travel. The players like it. Continue growing and gelling as a team for A10 schedule.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago Crappy opponents, poor tv exposure, bad start times, playing a team on its home court, long travel, inconsistent play by team, loss to lower level team, etc... This tournament has pretty much sucked for URI and its fans in nearly all aspects except for the non game time spent in HI that those who traveled there got.

If they had won the first game and again tomorrow, it would be the greatest thing ever.
It's a good trip for them to get away together...not seeing any real downside.

A little Dr. McGillicuddy's in your coffee today will probably help out. FA LA LA LA LA!

ETA: And at least they don't have to wait a week between games.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

I'll join in the glass half full side of the discussion [I know I know that's unusual for me but fuck it] and say that we still have a chance to end up 8-4 with a win tomorrow and an expected win next Sunday to close out the OOC portion of the schedule.

This group will drive us nuts sometimes but it's the way it is, and will be for a while longer.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago I'll join in the glass half full side of the discussion [I know I know that's unusual for me but fuck it] and say that we still have a chance to end up 8-4 with a win tomorrow and an expected win next Sunday to close out the OOC portion of the schedule.

This group will drive us nuts sometimes but it's the way it is, and will be for a while longer.

Having retirement in sight will do that to ya

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

These are the last five tournaments that URI has played in. This year's Diamond head Classic, by all measures ranks worst except for those getting off time in HI. Diamond Head provides no home games and one less contest than the maximum allowed. It is the only tournament where URI played no P5 or Big East teams. It is the only tourney where URI had to play an opponent on its home court.

URI Tournament Participation Last Five Years

2018 Diamond Head Classic - three games all in HI - two neutral site - one at opponent
Bucknell/Charlotte/Hawaii

2017 NIT Season Tip-Off - three games - two home - two neutral site (Brooklyn)
UNC-Asheville/Seton Hall/Virginia
* URI refused a 4th game vs non D1 team

2016 HOF Tip-Off - two home - two neutral (Mohegan Sun)
Marist/Brown/Cincinnati/Duke

2015 Cancun Challenge - four games - two home - two neutral site (Cancun)
Cleveland State/TCU/Maryland/Rider

2014 Orlando Classic - three games in FL - three neutral site
Kansas/Santa Clara/Georgia Tech

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

RF1 wrote: ↑5 years ago These are the last five tournaments that URI has played in. This year's Diamond head Classic, by all measures ranks worst except for those getting off time in HI. Diamond Head provides no home games and one less contest than the maximum allowed. It is the only tournament where URI played no P5 or Big East teams. It is the only tourney where URI had to play an opponent on its home court.

URI Tournament Participation Last Five Years

2018 Diamond Head Classic - three games all in HI - two neutral site - one at opponent
Bucknell/Charlotte/Hawaii

2017 NIT Season Tip-Off - three games - two home - two neutral site (Brooklyn)
UNC-Asheville/Seton Hall/Virginia
* URI refused a 4th game vs non D1 team

2016 HOF Tip-Off - two home - two neutral (Mohegan Sun)
Marist/Brown/Cincinnati/Duke

2015 Cancun Challenge - four games - two home - two neutral site (Cancun)
Cleveland State/TCU/Maryland/Rider

2014 Orlando Classic - three games in FL - three neutral site
Kansas/Santa Clara/Georgia Tech

Don't stop with that...surely, there must be more downside than this, right? C'mon, dig deep, you can do it!

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