Week #1 - Games of Interest

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

The college basketball season opens on Tuesday, November 6, as 351 D1 teams begin their march to the NCAA tournament. A new metric will help define the 2019 participants in the NCAA Big Dance and the NIT. Replacing the RPI will be a new measurement called the NET. Its ability to differentiate the 351 D1 basketball teams will be tested as the season moves along. We will see.

Including URI hosting Bryant, there are 9 openers in the A-10. The others are:

Gardner Webb at VCU, 7 PM. On ESPN+.

Cleveland State at Davidson, 7 PM. On ESPN+

D3 CCNY at Fordham, 7 PM. On ESPN+

Penn at George Mason, 7 PM. On ESPN+

Stony Brook at George Washington, 7 PM. A campus game in the Hall of Fame Tip - Off. On ESPN+

UMass Lowell at UMass, 7 PM. On ESPN+

In a Big Five game, La Salle travels across town to meet former A-10 rival Temple, 7:30 PM. On ESPN3.

SE Missouri State at Saint Louis, 8 PM. On ESPN+

In games involving URI OOC opponents:

In a Hall of Fame Tip-Off game, Siena at PC. 6:30 PM.

Presbyterian at Charleston. 7 PM.

MIT at Harvard, 7 PM. On ESPN+

Sacred Heart at Holy Cross, 7:05 PM.

D2 Lees McRae at Middle Tennessee, 7:30 PM.

In some Top 25 action:

In the State Farm Champions Classic at Indianapolis:

#1 Kansas vs. #10 Michigan State, 7 PM. On ESPN.

#4 Duke vs. #2 Kentucky, 9:30 PM. On ESPN.

Florida at #17 Florida State, 9 PM. On ESPN2

BYU at #7 Nevada, 11 PM. On CBSSN

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 5 years ago

Go Siena!

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 5 years ago

Go BYU!

RhowdyRam02 · Unread post by **RhowdyRam02** » 5 years ago

Opening up against a D3 school? Fordham is such a disgrace to the conference

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

A disgrace is putting it mildly.

Playing your entire OOC schedule against RPI 200's and 300's.

Their best players transfer out every season. Paschall might be an All American this season.

Never wanted to play when he was at Fordham, never stayed in shape. Now look at him.

Neubauer was supposed to turn that program around. He's had enough time to do that. Not happening.

Get rid of them.

Hell, even their fan board got so toxic, they shut it down.

eli#10 · Unread post by **eli#10** » 5 years ago

Fordham's scheduling (for the past several years) runs 100% contrary to what the Commissioner of the A 10 has been preaching to its member teams. One would hope that this behavior may be reason enough to get them tossed from the League. Between their scheduling, their facility and continuous awful performances on the court discussions about their exit should be taking place.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Can't believe it begins tomorrow!!! Go Rhody

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

Jon does love his corny tweets, but this is actually kind of cool-

urirx · Unread post by **urirx** » 5 years ago

eli#10 wrote: ↑5 years ago Fordham's scheduling (for the past several years) runs 100% contrary to what the Commissioner of the A 10 has been preaching to its member teams. One would hope that this behavior may be reason enough to get them tossed from the League. Between their scheduling, their facility and continuous awful performances on the court discussions about their exit should be taking place.

No one is ever getting tossed. they would have to chose to leave. if we didn't toss SBU when they were giving welding certificates, we aren't tossing people because they play like crude

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

They could be voted out....my guess is they have been talked to about having to upgrade from this pathetic excuse for an OOC schedule.

There has been talk of them moving to the Patriot League where they have football.

Imo that's where they belong.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

Tbh I don’t know what’s to gain from our last place team playing a competitive schedule and entering conference play 2-10 or something like that. Their RPI is gonna suck whether they play good teams and lose by 20-40 or play shit teams and win some games. They are beyond repair and need to downgrade for the betterment of all.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 5 years ago

bigappleram wrote: ↑5 years ago Tbh I don’t know what’s to gain from our last place team playing a competitive schedule and entering conference play 2-10 or something like that. Their RPI is gonna suck whether they play good teams and lose by 20-40 or play shit teams and win some games. They are beyond repair and need to downgrade for the betterment of all.

It’s why the RPI was a broken metric that needed to be changed. Teams could have mediocre records against elite OOC schedules and start conference play with artificially high RPIs which plummeted once conference play started. The goals of scheduling should be to beat the best teams possible on your schedule, not just play them. The new system will favor results so at this point doesn’t really matter what Fordham does. But you’d rather lose to great teams because it means you have the chance at the marquee victory versus playing teams you should beat but risk the bad loss.

Ramrod · Unread post by **Ramrod** » 5 years ago

If the new system rewards results over SoS, wouldn’t you want to schedule and beat cream puffs? I’m no Fordham apologist, I’m just asking what the strategy should be.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 5 years ago

Ramrod wrote: ↑5 years ago If the new system rewards results over SoS, wouldn’t you want to schedule and beat cream puffs? I’m no Fordham apologist, I’m just asking what the strategy should be.

It’s about quality, not quantity. You are better off losing to team 15 by 15 than beating team 250 by 25.You can’t beat quality opponents if you don’t play them. And it hurts the rest of the conference as a result, because Fordham either builds up their record with hollow wins or they suffer some bad losses which destroys their rating even more. You need as many cracks at quality opponents as possible as a conference. You don’t lose much in a loss, but can boost conference/team resume with win, and while it’s unlikely Fordham is competitive in that environment, it’s impossible without playing any of those games.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

George Mason loses to Penn.....and GW is in OT against that powerhouse Stony Brook after blowing a late lead.....

RF1 · Unread post by **RF1** » 5 years ago

The home losses by GMU and GW don't help the league. The Patriots were supposed to be good and a possible NCAA bubble team. A home loss to Penn will hurt their at large resume.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Some results not mentioned so far:

Davidson beats Cleveland State, 83-63. Grady had 24 points.

VCU holds off Gardner-Webb, 69-57.

UMass Lowell gives UMass a tussle before falling, 83-65.

La Salle gave Temple all it could handle, losing 75-67.

With a big first half lead, Saint Louis took it easy in the second to beat SE Missouri State, 75-65.

Charleston pressed by Presbyterian before pulling away for a 85-73 win.

PC over Siena own the strength of 13 3 pointers, 77-67.

Also, Northeastern, considered one of the top teams in NE, was stunned on its home court by BU, 77-74.

OhioRam32 · Unread post by **OhioRam32** » 5 years ago

rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago George Mason loses to Penn.....and GW is in OT against that powerhouse Stony Brook after blowing a late lead.....

Wow. GW was winning 22-0 to start the game...

Ramrod · Unread post by **Ramrod** » 5 years ago

rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑5 years ago
Ramrod wrote: ↑5 years ago If the new system rewards results over SoS, wouldn’t you want to schedule and beat cream puffs? I’m no Fordham apologist, I’m just asking what the strategy should be.
It’s about quality, not quantity. You are better off losing to team 15 by 15 than beating team 250 by 25.You can’t beat quality opponents if you don’t play them. And it hurts the rest of the conference as a result, because Fordham either builds up their record with hollow wins or they suffer some bad losses which destroys their rating even more. You need as many cracks at quality opponents as possible as a conference. You don’t lose much in a loss, but can boost conference/team resume with win, and while it’s unlikely Fordham is competitive in that environment, it’s impossible without playing any of those games.

What you’re saying sounds like SoS is the most important factor. So how is it different than RPI? Margin of victory?

PeterRamTime · Unread post by **PeterRamTime** » 5 years ago

Thought GMU was suppose to be better than us

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Terrible losses by GMU and GW

Watched Duke v Kentucky all I can say is WOW

rhodysurf · Unread post by **rhodysurf** » 5 years ago

Penn is decent .., but GMU was always overrated this year in my eyes

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

George Mason has a lot returning, and that tends to bode well for conference play. We’ll see, but I still like their roster.

GW led 22-0 at one point... and then lost. Stony Brook got it to 34-24 at halftime and then won in OT. Great job of coaching to keep your team in it mentally after that start.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

Freaking Duke.....looks like they will win it all this year unless the injury bug hits.....Zion Williamson is a total freak.

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 5 years ago

How the hell were they only ranked #4? They beat Kentucky like we beat Bryant. Let that sink in.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 5 years ago

The only question with Duke is which player goes #1 in the draft and which one goes #2.

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 5 years ago

If we make the Dance.....don't be an 8 or 9 seed....they will stick us in Duke's bracket again like they always do when we are seeded there.

Billyboy, they may even have the top THREE in the draft.

Just like anti-Pats fans hoping that Brady and Belicheck retire soon, so should we hope that coach K hangs it up and quick.

They were ranked no. 4 due to having 4 freshman starters. Those "freshmen" should go straight to the NBA....hell Zion is ready now.

RamStock · Unread post by **RamStock** » 5 years ago

rambone 78 wrote: ↑5 years ago If we make the Dance.....don't be an 8 or 9 seed....they will stick us in Duke's bracket again like they always do when we are seeded there.

Billyboy, they may even have the top THREE in the draft.

Just like anti-Pats fans hoping that Brady and Belicheck retire soon, so should we hope that coach K hangs it up and quick.

They were ranked no. 4 due to having 4 freshman starters. Those "freshmen" should go straight to the NBA....hell Zion is ready now.

If we make the tournament this year they can give us whatever seed they want. The eight seed is fine with me. It would mean we had a great season and won the first round of the tournament. I get your point, but sign me up!

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Two other A-10 openers occur tonight:

North Florida at Dayton, 7 PM. On ESPN+.

First round Diamond Head Classic opponent Bucknell visits St. Bonaventure, 7 PM. On ESPN+.

Only other action of interest is potential Diamond Head Classic opponent, #20 TCU hosting Cal State Bakersfield, 9 PM.

rjsuperfly66 · Unread post by **rjsuperfly66** » 5 years ago

Ramrod wrote: ↑5 years ago
rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑5 years ago
Ramrod wrote: ↑5 years ago If the new system rewards results over SoS, wouldn’t you want to schedule and beat cream puffs? I’m no Fordham apologist, I’m just asking what the strategy should be.
It’s about quality, not quantity. You are better off losing to team 15 by 15 than beating team 250 by 25.You can’t beat quality opponents if you don’t play them. And it hurts the rest of the conference as a result, because Fordham either builds up their record with hollow wins or they suffer some bad losses which destroys their rating even more. You need as many cracks at quality opponents as possible as a conference. You don’t lose much in a loss, but can boost conference/team resume with win, and while it’s unlikely Fordham is competitive in that environment, it’s impossible without playing any of those games.
What you’re saying sounds like SoS is the most important factor. So how is it different than RPI? Margin of victory?

The self-described goal of the NET system is to reward teams for beating other good teams. It makes it different from simply rewarding SOS in this regard. Take this example: You have 100 team league. Team A faces an average opponent of 50, but those teams all rate as 46-55. Team B faces an average opponent of 50, but faces 4 Top 20 opponents. The committee would rather see 8-2 from Team B over 10-0 from Team A.

NYGFan_Section208 · Unread post by **NYGFan_Section208** » 5 years ago

The NET system, or whatever systems they use...are just like the Coca Cola recipe.
We'll never be privy to how it all really works, because it really doesn't work.
At the end of the day, it's totally subjective, otherwise, there wouldn't need to be a 'committee.'

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 5 years ago

SLU shot 15 percent from 3 and 58 percent on FTs. That won't land in you in first place.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

Shooting, floor spacing and a bad head coach will be what SLU has to overcome. The talent is there but certainly no sure thing.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Zion RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish are rediculous wiped the floor with a Calipari led Kentucky team

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 5 years ago

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Some further early season metrics based on one game played:

Pomeroy
Bryant 324
Charleston 107
URI 100
Harvard 80
PC 52

Sagarin
Bryant 336
Charleston 137
Harvard 111
URI 65
PC 52

ramster · Unread post by **ramster** » 5 years ago

Obadiah wrote: ↑5 years ago Some further early season metrics based on one game played:

Pomeroy
Bryant 324
Charleston 107
URI 100
Harvard 80
PC 52

Sagarin
Bryant 336
Charleston 137
Harvard 111
URI 65
PC 52

Interesting how the largest differential is with URI - 100 vs 65

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

These rankings are largely useless until they have game data.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

Bona seems to really be missing Stockard tonight.

Dayton, on the other hand, did fine without Cunningham. Toppin seems to have made good use of his (non-optional) redshirt year.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 5 years ago

The A10 stinks maybe

Rhody83 · Unread post by **Rhody83** » 5 years ago

TCU was down by two with 3 1/2 minutes to go and only up bt two with 21 seconds left. They won 66-61.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 5 years ago

Bona and Mason both lose not good for the conference

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 5 years ago

TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago The A10 stinks maybe

Good for URI though.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 5 years ago

Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑5 years ago
TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago The A10 stinks maybe
Good for URI though.

No, bad for URI. Can't recruit top players to a bad league, as we have seen this year already. Can still can't good players, but not the caliber of Bishop and Walker.

Obadiah · Unread post by **Obadiah** » 5 years ago

Not much action on Thursday evening.

One game in A-10:

Siena travels to play George Washington in camps round of the Hall of Fame Tip-Off, 7 PM. On ESPN+. Game will provide interesting contrast to how PC handled the Saints.

Also as a campus round game in the 2K Classic, Morehead State is at UConn, in the kick-off to the Hurley era in Storrs. 7 PM. On ESPN3.

Da_Process_Survivor · Unread post by **Da_Process_Survivor** » 5 years ago

Billyboy78 wrote: ↑5 years ago
Rhodymob05 wrote: ↑5 years ago
TruePoint wrote: ↑5 years ago The A10 stinks maybe
Good for URI though.
No, bad for URI. Can't recruit top players to a bad league, as we have seen this year already. Can still can't good players, but not the caliber of Bishop and Walker.

Harris is rated higher than both of them....want to try again?

96 vs 92/93 scores
82 vs 121/143 overall ranking

SmartyBarrett · Unread post by **SmartyBarrett** » 5 years ago

We're only one game in, but I'm already LOLing at anyone that picked URI 9th in the conference.

ace · Unread post by **ace** » 5 years ago

You want the other teams in your conference to be good, especially in OOC games. How is there even an argument?

Rhodymob05 · Unread post by **Rhodymob05** » 5 years ago

This is sort of a rebuilding year for Rhody, if the league is gonna stink, then it allows the Freshman to ease into conference play more easily while they develope and gives this team a better chance at another Conference/tourney championship.

bigappleram · Unread post by **bigappleram** » 5 years ago

Obadiah wrote: ↑5 years ago Not much action on Thursday evening.

One game in A-10:

Siena travels to play George Washington in camps round of the Hall of Fame Tip-Off, 7 PM. On ESPN+. Game will provide interesting contrast to how PC handled the Saints.

Also as a campus round game in the 2K Classic, Morehead State is at UConn, in the kick-off to the Hurley era in Storrs. 7 PM. On ESPN3.

Sold out in Storrs for DHs first game.

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