Louisville and Pitino
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:43 pm
Isn't about time the Hall of Fame kick's Pitino's ass out?
Tell that to Kevin Ware.ATPTourFan wrote:Nobody says you can’t remember it, but the offending party simply gets no credit for the memory.
The “athletes” are 17-18 year old kids who don’t know any better. They come from situations no one on this board could possibly comprehend. The adults in their lives may not have any idea what is going on either. There’s no guidance and the coaches and teams “helping” them are preying on those kids and families for their own monetary gain. The kids are victims. The “95% of them who graduate with a degree in something other than sports” are used up like consumables and thrown away.urirx wrote:Pulling down banners punishes the coaches, the players at the time, and the fans. The coaches and athletes who were part of the program when the transgression occurred and the fans who looked the other way in the name of a championship season. The athletes are not innocent in this particular case. They know they can't bring recruits to parties, particularly with strippers when the recruits are underage. Just vacating wins hurts those that were there, instead of post season bans which do often hurt those that came after the problem.
How would this board reacted if they pulled down the 1998 elite 8 banner? sure we have the memories, but without the banner in the rafters it would be an empty feeling.
still doesnt make any sense to me though.ATPTourFan wrote:Nobody says you can’t remember it, but the offending party simply gets no credit for the memory.
This is more like it.UCH21377 wrote:Fine LVille 5 mil. No NCAA for 5 years. Allow their kids immediate transfers to any school. Just maybe they’ll think about it next time. Vacating past titles is ridiculous. Nobody cares
This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
I understand the logic. I just don't agree. Louisville is on probation now for how long (as far as scholarship reduction)? How would you feel if you came to URI and boom they went on probation? Imagine being a freshman as Louisville right now. You basically have no hope of ever seeing a winning team.Rhode_Island_Red wrote:This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
Oh ok this take totally makes sense. I know when I give my donation to athletics they ask me if I want the money used for hookers or not (they actually don’t do that, they just ask if it’s general or basketball only)....are you serious?Rhode_Island_Red wrote:This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
you're getting some of that here at least with the NCAA taking back all money from tourney credits over that timeframe, but they still did the garbage move of vacating wins.Blue Man wrote:Oh ok this take totally makes sense. I know when I give my donation to athletics they ask me if I want the money used for hookers or not (they actually don’t do that, they just ask if it’s general or basketball only)....are you serious?Rhode_Island_Red wrote:This wasn't just "a few individuals" -- this was systemic. You penalize the program to make sure everyone in it gets the message -- the university administration that looked the other way, the boosters who put up the money for the hookers and the fans to get them to insist things be done the right way. You vacate the wins and the championship as a way of banning the players retroactively.scine20 wrote:I never believed that penalizing an entire program for something that a few individuals may have been guilty of is right. I think schools should be fined and any offending party fired or if it's a player banned from participating again. But don't completely ruin it for the thousands of fans and those who had nothing to do with whatever it was that the school is being penalized for.
Even if one jackwagon booster goes on his own to throw a hooker party, and it wasn’t a shoe company or grassroots guy...you are punishing the people who only care about seeing their program win, instead of the people who care about money.
The players played. The coaches coaches. The better team one. “Ineligibility” by NCAA standards is a JOKE. Taking a “stand” and punishing someone 5 years later by saying it doesn’t count is frivolous and ineffective.
It did count. Everyone saw it.
Punishments don’t exist for punishments sake. They exist to serve as a deterrent for other programs. They’ve been vacating things for a long time. It hasn’t stopped anything.
The coaches and execs who made money still get to keep it. The fans and players who were innocent or victims made memories and now they’re being told they don’t count. How does that make sense?
Start fining programs and coaches and I’d bet you start seeing actual change.
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rapeRhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their careDa_Process_Survivor wrote:not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rapeRhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
yeah, i know what youre talking about. What I said was "short of murder for hire" aka, unless a school was organizing murder for hire you cant get worse than raping kids.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their careDa_Process_Survivor wrote:not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rapeRhowdyRam02 wrote:At the time biggest scandal. Michigan State now would have to be the biggest
Am I missing something? Nassar was abusing children as well.Da_Process_Survivor wrote:yeah, i know what youre talking about. What I said was "short of murder for hire" aka, unless a school was organizing murder for hire you cant get worse than raping kids.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Murder for hire? What thing do you think I'm thinking of? I'm talking about the MSU doctor, Larry Nassar, who was involved with the sex abuse of all the gymnasts. He's accused of abusing at least 250 as far back as 1992, claiming the abuse was part of what he needed to do for their careDa_Process_Survivor wrote:
not that these are hairs I really want to split, but other than murder for hire, you cant get worse than 3 decades of known and ignored child rape
Penn St turned a blind eye to known child rape for 30 years. They let Sandusky have contact with kids and be a part of the kids camps knowing he was a pedophile. That is so far beyond what Nassar did. Trust me, Nassar deserves to be buried under the prison, but there's nothing more despicable than abusing children.