Re: Major NCAA Recruiting FBI Investigation
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:15 pm
Well, this is certainly something...
But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?RhodyRam86 wrote:Seawrightspostgame wrote:Schools have benefited when other schools hit the bricks. Many times.
There are never asterisks.
if it were one or two schools i would agree. if 20-25 of what are traditionally the best basketball schools in the country are banned from ncaa tourney play for a period of time, i don't think that is in any way a good thing for URI.
i know it is pie in the sky...i would just prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat and we beat the best when they were at there best.
Spot on. They are not. They cheated and they are a disgrace to college amatuer sports. I blame BILASS for his never ending rant to pay the players. Guess what Jay? Your blue bloods are in a blood bath.RIFan wrote:But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?RhodyRam86 wrote:Seawrightspostgame wrote:Schools have benefited when other schools hit the bricks. Many times.
There are never asterisks.
if it were one or two schools i would agree. if 20-25 of what are traditionally the best basketball schools in the country are banned from ncaa tourney play for a period of time, i don't think that is in any way a good thing for URI.
i know it is pie in the sky...i would just prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat and we beat the best when they were at there best.
RIFan did you read the part where I said I "prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat"? So with that, I wish those 20-25 schools were not even in the least part fraudulent.RIFan wrote:But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?RhodyRam86 wrote:Seawrightspostgame wrote:Schools have benefited when other schools hit the bricks. Many times.
There are never asterisks.
if it were one or two schools i would agree. if 20-25 of what are traditionally the best basketball schools in the country are banned from ncaa tourney play for a period of time, i don't think that is in any way a good thing for URI.
i know it is pie in the sky...i would just prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat and we beat the best when they were at there best.
Me too!!ace wrote:Shareef O’Neal (son of Shaq) has opened up his commitment from Arizona.
I want him to sign with ASU as the ultimate troll job. His dad is friends with the coach, it could happen
What about Rhody?DanInAZ wrote:Me too!!ace wrote:Shareef O’Neal (son of Shaq) has opened up his commitment from Arizona.
I want him to sign with ASU as the ultimate troll job. His dad is friends with the coach, it could happen
Am I reading this right? You're saying Jay Bilas thinking the players should be paid is why this is happening?theblueram wrote:Spot on. They are not. They cheated and they are a disgrace to college amatuer sports. I blame BILASS for his never ending rant to pay the players. Guess what Jay? Your blue bloods are in a blood bath.RIFan wrote:But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?RhodyRam86 wrote:
if it were one or two schools i would agree. if 20-25 of what are traditionally the best basketball schools in the country are banned from ncaa tourney play for a period of time, i don't think that is in any way a good thing for URI.
i know it is pie in the sky...i would just prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat and we beat the best when they were at there best.
Completely wrong. What they're receiving has no worth to the college. And for the players that are just there to kill a year it's less than worthless, it's costing them moneyRIFan wrote:These schools should be shamed and not celebrated. As for paying the athletes, the free tuituon they are receiveing is roughly equivalent to having a $60-100k/yr job before taxes to pay the schools tuition depending where you go, not to mention the fact that college grads make about $1m more over their lifetime than high school grads. I think it's a pretty good deal for a kid with only a high school degree.
Ramulous wrote:For any team we play.......I don't care if all the players come down with the Asian bird flu before they play us and we win by 40....but what do I know about sports and competition?
nothing is stopping them from going to Europe for a year and play pro then come back to the draft. They can go play for money at 18, they CHOOSE not toRhowdyRam02 wrote:Completely wrong. What they're receiving has no worth to the college. And for the players that are just there to kill a year it's less than worthless, it's costing them moneyRIFan wrote:These schools should be shamed and not celebrated. As for paying the athletes, the free tuituon they are receiveing is roughly equivalent to having a $60-100k/yr job before taxes to pay the schools tuition depending where you go, not to mention the fact that college grads make about $1m more over their lifetime than high school grads. I think it's a pretty good deal for a kid with only a high school degree.
Ramulous wrote:RR86 is lucky I love her.......
He's been trying to legitimize it for years. He is part of the problem, not the solution.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Am I reading this right? You're saying Jay Bilas thinking the players should be paid is why this is happening?theblueram wrote:Spot on. They are not. They cheated and they are a disgrace to college amatuer sports. I blame BILASS for his never ending rant to pay the players. Guess what Jay? Your blue bloods are in a blood bath.RIFan wrote:
But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?
Where does that thought come from? ASU has the #12 rated recruiting class for 2018 and Rhody is rated #34.DanInAZ wrote:ASU needs more help than Rhody does with regards to how we rank with our league recruiting classes. Also, We are being much more pragmatic with where he would end up - ASU possibility, Rhody long shot.
Exactly, legitimize it...to put everyone on the same page, and not pretend everyone does this cleanly. He says sunlight is the best disinfectant and I agree. If the B5 schools and occasional others (ahem, UNLV) have always been finding back channels to pay players, is it better to plug your ears and shout "LALALA I hear nothing" or put the compensation out in the open?theblueram wrote:He's been trying to legitimize it for years. He is part of the problem, not the solution.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Am I reading this right? You're saying Jay Bilas thinking the players should be paid is why this is happening?theblueram wrote:
Spot on. They are not. They cheated and they are a disgrace to college amatuer sports. I blame BILASS for his never ending rant to pay the players. Guess what Jay? Your blue bloods are in a blood bath.
Umm, my point was not to legitimize it. It should be banned. You want money, fine go do it outside NCAA.rhodyruckus wrote:Exactly, legitimize it...to put everyone on the same page, and not pretend everyone does this cleanly. He says sunlight is the best disinfectant and I agree. If the B5 schools and occasional others (ahem, UNLV) have always been finding back channels to pay players, is it better to plug your ears and shout "LALALA I hear nothing" or put the compensation out in the open?theblueram wrote:He's been trying to legitimize it for years. He is part of the problem, not the solution.RhowdyRam02 wrote:
Am I reading this right? You're saying Jay Bilas thinking the players should be paid is why this is happening?
RIFan did you read the part where I said I "prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat"? So with that, I wish those 20-25 schools were not even in the least part fraudulent.RhodyRam86 wrote:RIFan wrote:But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?RhodyRam86 wrote:
if it were one or two schools i would agree. if 20-25 of what are traditionally the best basketball schools in the country are banned from ncaa tourney play for a period of time, i don't think that is in any way a good thing for URI.
i know it is pie in the sky...i would just prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat and we beat the best when they were at there best.
MY POINT WAS THAT I WISH THEY NEVER CHEATED! CAPICHE????RIFan wrote:RIFan did you read the part where I said I "prefer an NCAA where schools didn't cheat"? So with that, I wish those 20-25 schools were not even in the least part fraudulent.RhodyRam86 wrote:RIFan wrote:
But what if they were at least in part fraudulently the best? Would they have been the best if the playing field had been even...they are perceived to be the best because of at least in part cheating...which led to success that then built on itself and kept you down do a degree. In other words if their success is at least in part built on cheating then should they really be considered one of the best programs?
Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I want a shot at the best when they are at their best and clean. Period.[/quote
My point was, are they really the best teams since they cheated? They were at least in part the best because of cheating so we are not even sure they would have been the best if they hadn't cheated...so who cares if they are not in the tourney. Let the best legit teams play...
Haha! Misunderstood. He will probably go to LSU.DanInAZ wrote:OMG, you need to spend you energy elsewhere; I was reacting to Ace's thought and living out here in AZ for the past 23 years within 15 minutes of ASU. My sister has also worked at ASU for the past 22 years; Can I hope they get someone to help improve their team?
Screw it -- I am clearing my calendar to contact Shaq's son to convince him to go to Rhody. My nephew is friends w/ Marvin Bagley III (went to same HS here) and I tried to convince him but failed. I hope to better serve Rhodyland this time.
BRB, will update everyone later this weekend.
We just agree to disagree then, as long as the NBA enforces the year out of high school this shady stuff will continue. Nine out of 10 times it isn't caught and Rhody is a program that suffers by playing by the rules. If the rules allowed compensation at least we're sitting at the same table.theblueram wrote:Umm, my point was not to legitimize it. It should be banned. You want money, fine go do it outside NCAA.rhodyruckus wrote:Exactly, legitimize it...to put everyone on the same page, and not pretend everyone does this cleanly. He says sunlight is the best disinfectant and I agree. If the B5 schools and occasional others (ahem, UNLV) have always been finding back channels to pay players, is it better to plug your ears and shout "LALALA I hear nothing" or put the compensation out in the open?theblueram wrote:
He's been trying to legitimize it for years. He is part of the problem, not the solution.
Oh I agree, it is a matter of extent. I think the top 10 players going to the NBA would eliminate a lot of the sliminess, definitely not all.NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Weren't players allowed to go right from high school to the NBA until 2006?
Are we saying none of this "shady stuff" happened before that? This is all new?
It's illegal. Doesn't matter when it happened. The rules are pretty evident. It's college basketball. If a player accepts cash, he is ineligible. Same as PED's.NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Weren't players allowed to go right from high school to the NBA until 2006?
Are we saying none of this "shady stuff" happened before that? This is all new?
NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Right...was just saying, these issues happened when players could go right to the pros, and if it were to change back, would still happen.
Agreed. Fact is, some teams are breaking the rules which gives a major advantage over schools who are following the rules.theblueram wrote:It's illegal. Doesn't matter when it happened. The rules are pretty evident. It's college basketball. If a player accepts cash, he is ineligible. Same as PED's.NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Weren't players allowed to go right from high school to the NBA until 2006?
Are we saying none of this "shady stuff" happened before that? This is all new?