Major NCAA Recruiting FBI Investigation
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:48 pm
RF1 wrote:A consequence of all this could be that there might soon be many plum job openings available.
I’ve had both of these thoughts tonight. I guess if the money is still green, yes they would still be plum jobs. On the other hand, if this thing is truly earth shattering, maybe it changes the whole landscape of the sport. IDK, honestly, and I’m not going to waste a ton of time worrying about it right now.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Would they still be plum jobs with sanctions attached and no talent on the roster?
It will never happen to the level this article says. Slap on the wrist for most programs, maybe death penalty for one or two as an example but it will not be a blue blood program.reef wrote:It won't happen until the off season
My position all year has been -- who cares?TruePoint wrote:I’m not worried about URI being involved in this story directly. What I am worried about is URI’s potential best season ever being undermined the same way a champion of a strike shortened season would be. Fortunately I don’t think there is enough time for these things to come out and for the field to be cleared of guilty programs. I don’t want URI to go deep in a tournament where “Tennessee Chattanooga is a 2 seed” as they predict in the article. I think we can go deep anyways, and if other programs go down because of this later on, so be it.
Like in the 80s when the NCAA was so mad at Kentucky, they made an example out of Cleveland State!rhodylaw wrote:It will never happen to the level this article says. Slap on the wrist for most programs, maybe death penalty for one or two as an example but it will not be a blue blood program.reef wrote:It won't happen until the off season
I always want to play the best and beat the best. That is the point of sports, to me at least. Winning over an artificially weakened field is not as good of an accomplishment. That wouldn't be URI's fault - you can only play the teams on your schedule - but my personal preference would be to play against a full field and see where we're at.Seawrightspostgame wrote:My position all year has been -- who cares?TruePoint wrote:I’m not worried about URI being involved in this story directly. What I am worried about is URI’s potential best season ever being undermined the same way a champion of a strike shortened season would be. Fortunately I don’t think there is enough time for these things to come out and for the field to be cleared of guilty programs. I don’t want URI to go deep in a tournament where “Tennessee Chattanooga is a 2 seed” as they predict in the article. I think we can go deep anyways, and if other programs go down because of this later on, so be it.
A10 Down?? Win 'em all!
If the field is considered less? GREAT!
The thousands of times URI has been trampled over the past 20 years, teams never handicapped their victories. "Oh, Jim Barron is their coach and it's February. That win counts less because they suck then."
Did PC start counting their 7 game streak against us during our low points or wait until we were respectable?
Winners write the history and any concern from our side that basketball is down and we are capitalizing on that is wasted time. Only ppl used to losing would feel that their success could be invalidated somehow. Ride the wave and take as much as you can. Then sell that success till the cows come home with zero caveats or asterisks. Use it to build.
Beat me to it!steviep123 wrote:Like in the 80s when the NCAA was so mad at Kentucky, they made an example out of Cleveland State!rhodylaw wrote:It will never happen to the level this article says. Slap on the wrist for most programs, maybe death penalty for one or two as an example but it will not be a blue blood program.reef wrote:It won't happen until the off season
There is a program "rebuilder" looking for a job.....hahahaShaolin Swat wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... onal-title
Not a part of the recruiting scandal - but, the NCAA upheld its ruling that Louisville must vacate the 2013 National Championship and 2012 Final Four, in addition to being on placed on probation and having a reduction in scholarships. The FBI investigation could potentially be another big blow to the Louisville basketball program - have to imagine that there is not going to be a big pool of candidates interested in that job.
They have a superior facilities/infrastructure set up, engaged fanbase, and and an attractive history.Shaolin Swat wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... onal-title
Not a part of the recruiting scandal - but, the NCAA upheld its ruling that Louisville must vacate the 2013 National Championship and 2012 Final Four, in addition to being on placed on probation and having a reduction in scholarships. The FBI investigation could potentially be another big blow to the Louisville basketball program - have to imagine that there is not going to be a big pool of candidates interested in that job.
Agree that this won't necessarily be a death blow to the program - just think that with more potential sanctions looming, coaches may wait until the program is at the tail end of whatever sanctions they may receive before considering it a viable opportunity.NYGFan_Section208 wrote:They have a superior facilities/infrastructure set up, engaged fanbase, and and an attractive history.Shaolin Swat wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... onal-title
Not a part of the recruiting scandal - but, the NCAA upheld its ruling that Louisville must vacate the 2013 National Championship and 2012 Final Four, in addition to being on placed on probation and having a reduction in scholarships. The FBI investigation could potentially be another big blow to the Louisville basketball program - have to imagine that there is not going to be a big pool of candidates interested in that job.
Only question is how big of a bump in the road this is....I think they'll survive, clean house, pay well and they won't have a problem getting a good candidate. LOL...Larry Brown, perfect fit?
Attached below is a list of the schools that have produced a first round pick over the past 3 NBA drafts, sorted by Conference.“There are spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay,” said a source familiar with the investigation. “The feds got everything they wanted and much more. Don’t think it will only be players who ended up signing with ASM that got paid. Those spreadsheets cast a wide net throughout college basketball. If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ncaa-rulesSchools identified by Yahoo! as possibly violating NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State , USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.
come on Carlos Delfino...have more respect for yourself! Only $71 bucks? hahaRhowdyRam02 wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-fede ... 38484.html
More names and schools, Chaz Williams from UMass and Isaiah Whitehead from Seton Hall among them
What a shocker!URIRecruitingInfo wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ncaa-rulesSchools identified by Yahoo! as possibly violating NCAA rules include Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State , USC and Kansas. At least 25 players are linked to impermissible benefits, including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Alabama's Collin Sexton and Duke's Wendell Carter.
The ledger is from 2015 though and Chaz graduated in 2014 right? Doesnt that just mean he was a normal client?Seawrightspostgame wrote:Jarrelle Martin took almost 60k and got beat by Gil Biruta and the Runnin Rams.
I would be upset if my team was going to get sanctions for Chaz Williams. 3600?
Odd that Brendan Haywood is on the list. I wonder what the range of years is?
Lavoy Allen? He beat us a few times.
thing is, if the payments are directly from agents to players the schools have deniability that you cant realistically overcome. the key is making a connection between the agents and the schools, then you can hit them.Rhodymob05 wrote:I don't care how much money players are given; its an advantage. Fine the schools.
I don't know if you're being serious or not but the NCAA tournament starts in less than a month. There is absolutely no chance the NCAA hands out any penalties before then.scine20 wrote:So after all these schools are banned from the tournament will URI be a 1 seed in Boston?
Understood. It's a corruption investigation. Business-type corruption. Because it's a business. Even though the NCAA always likes to prop up the idea that it's about school.TruePoint wrote:Blueman - I agree with you, but I'd just point out that the FBI doesn't give any shits about the NCAAs rules. So there is something going here on that is a level deeper than the typical shadiness we all know exists around CBB.
Yes, the schools make a boat-ton of money, but how much of that is profit versus reinvestment? Better charters, better practice facilities, more player perks, more marketing, etc.? Further, how do you determine worth? Do you have a salary cap? Does player 1 and player 13 get the same return? Further, wouldn't everyone just go to Kentucky/Duke since their program revenue is significantly higher than others? The answers are not as simple as cutting players checks. Even if you start giving kids money, there will still be people trying to offer more to bring them in. Even if you let kids market themselves, what's stopping Nike, Adidas, etc. from offering kids contracts and pushing them towards elite programs? The structure of college basketball has been founded on schools providing kids options and kids trying to figure out what's best for their game and their personal growth ... The second kids have to start making college decisions on money, you've ruined the whole structure for all but a handful of programs.Blue Man wrote:Until the NCAA allows players to make money of their own likeness or get a SHRED of the money they make universities and shoe companies this problem will always exist.
You have a multi-billion if not TRILLION dollar industry centered around college basketball.
The back end game of shoe companies propping up grassroots and AAU programs, then leveraging the kids who go to those programs against schools recruiting them by steering them towards one of the schools that wears their apparel. The advertising dollars surrounding the NCAA tournament, arenas, pre-season tournaments, etc.
All of that money is made and changes hands while the kids who put their bodies on the line to make that money "aren't allowed' to see any of the dollars.
It's like the failing war on drugs with weed. Yeah it's "illegal" but it happens everywhere. Until you get smart and legalize/regulate it - you get all the seedy back room black market drug dealings that come with illegitimate sales.
If you want to put rules in place that can be followed, you need to actually understand what is going on, not just stick your fingers in your ears and keep pushing something forward.
thats just it, gotta figure on the low end schools spend 100k per athlete (basketball and football).rjsuperfly66 wrote:Yes, the schools make a boat-ton of money, but how much of that is profit versus reinvestment? Better charters, better practice facilities, more player perks, more marketing, etc.? Further, how do you determine worth? Do you have a salary cap? Does player 1 and player 13 get the same return? Further, wouldn't everyone just go to Kentucky/Duke since their program revenue is significantly higher than others? The answers are not as simple as cutting players checks. Even if you start giving kids money, there will still be people trying to offer more to bring them in. Even if you let kids market themselves, what's stopping Nike, Adidas, etc. from offering kids contracts and pushing them towards elite programs? The structure of college basketball has been founded on schools providing kids options and kids trying to figure out what's best for their game and their personal growth ... The second kids have to start making college decisions on money, you've ruined the whole structure for all but a handful of programs.Blue Man wrote:Until the NCAA allows players to make money of their own likeness or get a SHRED of the money they make universities and shoe companies this problem will always exist.
You have a multi-billion if not TRILLION dollar industry centered around college basketball.
The back end game of shoe companies propping up grassroots and AAU programs, then leveraging the kids who go to those programs against schools recruiting them by steering them towards one of the schools that wears their apparel. The advertising dollars surrounding the NCAA tournament, arenas, pre-season tournaments, etc.
All of that money is made and changes hands while the kids who put their bodies on the line to make that money "aren't allowed' to see any of the dollars.
It's like the failing war on drugs with weed. Yeah it's "illegal" but it happens everywhere. Until you get smart and legalize/regulate it - you get all the seedy back room black market drug dealings that come with illegitimate sales.
If you want to put rules in place that can be followed, you need to actually understand what is going on, not just stick your fingers in your ears and keep pushing something forward.
How much gets funneled to other sports? If I'm a basketball player, why do I care if there's a golf team? Why should I subsidize that when I'm not getting money? How much goes to administration and coaches salaries? Again, if I'm a basketball player why shouldn't I get paid when they make extra because I get nothing?rjsuperfly66 wrote:Yes, the schools make a boat-ton of money, but how much of that is profit versus reinvestment? Better charters, better practice facilities, more player perks, more marketing, etc.? Further, how do you determine worth? Do you have a salary cap? Does player 1 and player 13 get the same return? Further, wouldn't everyone just go to Kentucky/Duke since their program revenue is significantly higher than others? The answers are not as simple as cutting players checks. Even if you start giving kids money, there will still be people trying to offer more to bring them in. Even if you let kids market themselves, what's stopping Nike, Adidas, etc. from offering kids contracts and pushing them towards elite programs? The structure of college basketball has been founded on schools providing kids options and kids trying to figure out what's best for their game and their personal growth ... The second kids have to start making college decisions on money, you've ruined the whole structure for all but a handful of programs.Blue Man wrote:Until the NCAA allows players to make money of their own likeness or get a SHRED of the money they make universities and shoe companies this problem will always exist.
You have a multi-billion if not TRILLION dollar industry centered around college basketball.
The back end game of shoe companies propping up grassroots and AAU programs, then leveraging the kids who go to those programs against schools recruiting them by steering them towards one of the schools that wears their apparel. The advertising dollars surrounding the NCAA tournament, arenas, pre-season tournaments, etc.
All of that money is made and changes hands while the kids who put their bodies on the line to make that money "aren't allowed' to see any of the dollars.
It's like the failing war on drugs with weed. Yeah it's "illegal" but it happens everywhere. Until you get smart and legalize/regulate it - you get all the seedy back room black market drug dealings that come with illegitimate sales.
If you want to put rules in place that can be followed, you need to actually understand what is going on, not just stick your fingers in your ears and keep pushing something forward.
What gets "spent" on them is drastically over inflated so the schools and the NCAA can say they don't have the money to pay. Kick out men's and women's basketball from URI, that's 26 players? How much do you think it costs URI to educate 26 kids? They can't close a single dorm. Can they even cut back one professor? Would the food ordering in dining services change appreciably for 26 fewer students? Essentially, the cost of educating them is free, the tuition and scholarship is just a book cost.Rhodymob05 wrote:I'm against paying college players. It makes a mockery of education and the universities. Plus tuition, food, residence, travel, clothing/gear, trainers, dietitians, publicity, weightlifting/medical and other amenities/facilities are all FREE for each scholarship player. People don't realize the amount of work and pain families go through to pay for their children to attend a college that don't receive scholarships like student-athlete gets and don't receive nearly the benefits that athletes get. Getting paid ON TOP of the THOUSANDS spent on them is nuts.
I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. Wasn't it a big story about five years ago that basketball and football athletes could get extra? The A10 came out and said schools could offer extra in basketball to keep up with the power 5 and we wondered if CAA football would offer the extra?Da_Process_Survivor wrote:dont forget any changes will be across all sports, so a typical swimmer or track athlete goes from free school, food, housing to paying out of pocket without the big money income to compensate