Re: 11/28 | Brown Bears | 7:00PM
Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:04 am
That Philly swagger!
rhodylaw wrote:Dan has done a lot here, but I don't blame the fan that still needs it to be proven that this team is for real. How many years of hype have we heard about this team, and we only hit pay dirt last year because we got hit in the A10 tourney.
Brown is about the least "sexy" opponent ever, I think Bryant would draw a bigger crowd. Like it or not the buzz was taken out of the air by UVA last week and we need to get a W Saturday to bring it back!
Guess what... THEY ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING. I’m sorry a loss to a top 25 ACC team, while missing 40% of the starting line-up, killed your buzz. Enjoy your team or don’t, I don’t care.RhodyRam86 wrote:rhodylaw wrote:Dan has done a lot here, but I don't blame the fan that still needs it to be proven that this team is for real. How many years of hype have we heard about this team, and we only hit pay dirt last year because we got hit in the A10 tourney.
Brown is about the least "sexy" opponent ever, I think Bryant would draw a bigger crowd. Like it or not the buzz was taken out of the air by UVA last week and we need to get a W Saturday to bring it back!
Agree...Had we beaten UVA we may have snuck into the AP top 25. The loss was a buzz kill. A loss to PC and we may not see 6000 in the arena for any remaining game with the conference being so weak. A win vs. PC and Alabama...then we may have something...
Let's not forget that the students rarely showed up back then, and in many cases, still don't (see last night). That left the bulk of those seats empty which looks awful on television.urirx wrote:I completely understand other coaches disliking where students were placed. But the A10 office can not override the agreement that was made with the URI student senate and the University when it came to raising student fees to pay for the Ryan Center bond. Students were promised the 100 level in exchange for the income guarantee. I really wish a cigar reporter would go read through the old Cigars about the building and funding of the convocation center and challenge the current URI admin on this promise to students, or at least start the fight to get the students their fee money back.Da_Process_Survivor wrote:The original plan for the Ryan Center was for the 100 bowl to be students only a la Duke...but the ever tone deaf administration changed that...as well as removing The Mob from behind the benches because other teams complained it was distracting.URI2006_Andy wrote:We’re not going to convert casual followers into diehards. And causal followers won’t go to the game unless it’s an event as urix said. The key to a great program with great attendance is the students. Have to get more students there. Then those students who go to the games become diehards and stay interested in the program after they graduate. They become the big doners and season ticket holders of the future. And the cycle continues compounding the program’s loyal fan base over time.
My suggestion would be to move the students to behind the benches. Our most important group of people to building a bigger program and we give them the worst seats in the house.
I will fully say I became a diehard URI fan standing in section 104, 1 person in from the seam that connects it to the 103 section. as others have said, creating a fan base is a process, and not something that can happen in a year or even 5 years. it is adding 100-200 seasons ticket holders a year, 100 new low level donors a year. The students are why URI exists and if you don't treat them as the focus of the effort, then you are missing the point.
And since I got on my soap box... did anybody receive any emails or contacts on social media asking from any arm of URI to give as part of Giving Tuesday?
And if I was Cooley and that basketball program I would not be happy about it.Rhodymob05 wrote:Using PC as a comparison since they are the closest program of similar size, they have a four year NCAA streak going and their home game vs Belmont was at 53% capacity.
I don't think you're overreacting at all. A passionate fan base is near the top of his list. Poor attendance is definitely a reason he could leave. And if it's after this year, most likely our great recruiting class won't be coming either, unless Cox is still here, which would seem unlikely.RoadyJay wrote:Ace is right.. I remember last season everyone saying all we have to do is win, make the NCAA tournament, win an A10 championship and the fans will show up.
To date, they aren't showing up in the numbers expected and the excuse machine cranks up with new reasons as to why...same week as a PC home game, only beat one out of two top 25 teams, must have years of sustained winning, need to make the final four...
I believe this season is a critical one in determining if Dan stays or goes... So far we are sending a message to our head coach that we are apathetic as a fan base and as a university in our support of the team.
It feels like somehow we have maxed out our potential on what we can achieve outside of the team's success.
Our head coach is surely taking notice and he can't like what he sees. If we want to keep him around a while longer I think we are doing a poor job as a collective fan base in demonstrating this. There are some roles within the athletic department and administration that are just going through the motions.
No, I don't think I'm overacting.
Actually I thought the student turnout was pretty good last night.Billyboy78 wrote:And many of the students do need incentives. They showed up in big numbers at Rhody Madness when they got free stuff. But where were all of those students last night?
And this is exactly why I push back at making this a Hurley issue and something necessary to fix in order to keep him. It makes people defensive and adopt a “well screw you, then” attitude. Filling the seats isn’t about his ego, it’s about rewarding his guys with a great environment in which to play. Forget him. Aside from the disruption a program goes through with any coaching change, it goes beyond a single guy.Seawrightspostgame wrote:The Attendance hawks suck. I went to the brown game. Dan wants to leave because there was empty seats? Whatever. I'm a URI basketball fan. I'll be there regardless.
Spot on. Some people just don't get it.ace wrote:And this is exactly why I push back at making this a Hurley issue and something necessary to fix in order to keep him. It makes people defensive and adopt a “well screw you, then” attitude. Filling the seats isn’t about his ego, it’s about rewarding his guys with a great environment in which to play. Forget him. Aside from the disruption a program goes through with any coaching change, it goes beyond a single guy.Seawrightspostgame wrote:The Attendance hawks suck. I went to the brown game. Dan wants to leave because there was empty seats? Whatever. I'm a URI basketball fan. I'll be there regardless.
It’s about elevating your program, and any good coach will feel the same... resources to keep good assistant coaches, a game day atmosphere to show off to recruits, financial donations, raising the profile of a school- these are program things that go along with attendance and their importance goes way beyond whoever cashes the check as head coach.
section(105) wrote:.....it was good to have Mike Layssrad get those minutes, and see some production, needs much work on positioning and defensive footwork, going to help......
I went to that game, there was a major accident south of Providence that spawned 2-3 additional accidents and made everything a living hell. I left East Providence at 5:30 and got to the game 10min into the 1st half. That was an extreme anomaly where the crowd was all stuck in traffic and very late to arrive. Attendance for that game was 6,050 (damn strong for a team that had 22 total wins the last 2 seasons combined).ATPTourFan wrote:Agreed with that, Ace. But again we can't expect that the Brown-class of game is going to suddenly start drawing --- and I think Coach Hurley is smart to recognize that too. The real indicator will be those critical games and other tricky games where a true home court advantage is needed to push over the top. Too often we've let the team down for such big non-PC games. The one that always comes to mind was the Davidson game from a few years ago and Hurley's disgusted face while looking around the arena as he stood in line for the anthem was a sight I can't forget. I was equally disgusted the fans didn't show up for a game that ultimately could have earned the team its first regular season A10 championship and a NCAA berth 2 years earlier.
Yet, despite all of this, some people believe that the result of the PC game has zero effect on future attendance. Some people need to stop looking at numbers and start using some common sense.PeterRamTime wrote:The Brown game last year was on a Wednesday, we were ranked and it was before thanksgiving.
A lot of these 'casual' fans out there just spent a lot of money on thanksgiving, traveling, and Christmas gifts, so they don't want to spend money to watch us play Brown.
It's the timing of it coupled in with the fact we lost to UVA in the way that we did.
I'm sorry, but we really have to do more if we want games like this one to attract a bigger crowd.
We've had one year of real success in 15 years of this buildings existence.
Despite that one year of huge success, most of it happening in February and March,
We've had an unbelievable amount of home games where the building is packed and we've gone out and sent 6k or 7k home with their hearts broken. Over and over again. As recently as Dayton in February.
How many big home wins have we had with Dan as coach? VCU last year? Nebraska three years ago?
Furthermore, the attendance has been better!
We just broke a record for opening night attendance.
It's trending upwards. Despite all our failed attempts at big wins in front of big home crowds they still kept coming back for those big games that we would eventually lose!
We still haven't played a full season that hasn't been filled with countless heartbreakers, including last year with our back to back to back losses to Valpo, PC, Houston, and then getting murdered by La Salle at the start of conference play and of course, the Fordham game.
I want those seats filled as much as anybody. Reality is what it is. We have more to prove. To be like Wichita state and have a full arena against a crap opponent on a Tuesday night after thanksgiving.
A culture of sustained success keeps those seats filled. We don't have that yet.
Let's take another step towards our goal of having more asses in the seats by finally beating the goddamned friars for the first time THIS DECADE.
Sure, he might hit that freshman wall, and the conference will make adjustments, as will he. But right now, his play just makes me happy. I watched him play quite a bit in high school, and he could look under-sized in that setting... now against college guys, he really does- but he’s fearless. EC (and the rest) was spot on with his comment. Even with EC’s injury, it’s so impressive that Fatts is getting minutes on a veteran, guard-heavy team. That’s nice for future recruits to see.sf2010 wrote:
-WOW Fatts. As someone who became (and still is!) a Sixers fan by watching Allen Iverson during my impressionable years, it is impossible to not see shades of The Answer in his game. The speed, body-contorting layups that I'm convinced will start to rattle in more... if he can become the poorest of poor man's AI then we will all be thrilled, and I think he can.
Ace, I've probably asked you this before. Have you seen Tyrese Martin play?ace wrote:Sure, he might hit that freshman wall, and the conference will make adjustments, as will he. But right now, his play just makes me happy. I watched him play quite a bit in high school, and he could look under-sized in that setting... now against college guys, he really does- but he’s fearless. EC (and the rest) was spot on with his comment. Even with EC’s injury, it’s so impressive that Fatts is getting minutes on a veteran, guard-heavy team. That’s nice for future recruits to see.sf2010 wrote:
-WOW Fatts. As someone who became (and still is!) a Sixers fan by watching Allen Iverson during my impressionable years, it is impossible to not see shades of The Answer in his game. The speed, body-contorting layups that I'm convinced will start to rattle in more... if he can become the poorest of poor man's AI then we will all be thrilled, and I think he can.
There’s so much love for high school and college basketball in Philly, and I love seeing Fatts continue to get that attention from home while wearing a Rhody uniform.
What is an HTPC? I used Chromecast to view it on my TV and the stream in normal HD was great! I don't have a 4K tv yet and even if I did, I don't have a 4K chromecast, so I don't know if it would display it in 4K anyway. I used to plug my laptop directly to the tv, but, my lap top died and I could never get the picture size to quite match right.EGram wrote:It's already been said here but i was really surprised just how good the streaming broadcast was. If you don't have one i would strongly recommend a solid HTPC. I've never used one but Chromecast and other options should work fine also.
Watching it over my dads house on his new 4k TV using the Intel Skull Canyon NUC i bought him last year. It was imo a much better experience then broadcast TV. The difference between this stream and watching last years stream on my ps4 and 720p screen was night and day.
Right. Why look at facts when we can just make stuff up? Disagree with me? Great, show your work.Billyboy78 wrote:Yet, despite all of this, some people believe that the result of the PC game has zero effect on future attendance. Some people need to stop looking at numbers and start using some common sense.PeterRamTime wrote:The Brown game last year was on a Wednesday, we were ranked and it was before thanksgiving.
A lot of these 'casual' fans out there just spent a lot of money on thanksgiving, traveling, and Christmas gifts, so they don't want to spend money to watch us play Brown.
It's the timing of it coupled in with the fact we lost to UVA in the way that we did.
I'm sorry, but we really have to do more if we want games like this one to attract a bigger crowd.
We've had one year of real success in 15 years of this buildings existence.
Despite that one year of huge success, most of it happening in February and March,
We've had an unbelievable amount of home games where the building is packed and we've gone out and sent 6k or 7k home with their hearts broken. Over and over again. As recently as Dayton in February.
How many big home wins have we had with Dan as coach? VCU last year? Nebraska three years ago?
Furthermore, the attendance has been better!
We just broke a record for opening night attendance.
It's trending upwards. Despite all our failed attempts at big wins in front of big home crowds they still kept coming back for those big games that we would eventually lose!
We still haven't played a full season that hasn't been filled with countless heartbreakers, including last year with our back to back to back losses to Valpo, PC, Houston, and then getting murdered by La Salle at the start of conference play and of course, the Fordham game.
I want those seats filled as much as anybody. Reality is what it is. We have more to prove. To be like Wichita state and have a full arena against a crap opponent on a Tuesday night after thanksgiving.
A culture of sustained success keeps those seats filled. We don't have that yet.
Let's take another step towards our goal of having more asses in the seats by finally beating the goddamned friars for the first time THIS DECADE.
This is just a giant rats nest of excuses, many of which should be absolutely embarrassing to utter. Nobody is talking about not filling the arena for Brown. What it comes down to is we drew 1100 fewer fans year over year. That's terrible. End of story.PeterRamTime wrote:The Brown game last year was on a Wednesday, we were ranked and it was before thanksgiving.
A lot of these 'casual' fans out there just spent a lot of money on thanksgiving, traveling, and Christmas gifts, so they don't want to spend money to watch us play Brown.
It's the timing of it coupled in with the fact we lost to UVA in the way that we did.
I'm sorry, but we really have to do more if we want games like this one to attract a bigger crowd.
We've had one year of real success in 15 years of this buildings existence.
Despite that one year of huge success, most of it happening in February and March,
We've had an unbelievable amount of home games where the building is packed and we've gone out and sent 6k or 7k home with their hearts broken. Over and over again. As recently as Dayton in February.
How many big home wins have we had with Dan as coach? VCU last year? Nebraska three years ago?
Furthermore, the attendance has been better!
We just broke a record for opening night attendance.
It's trending upwards. Despite all our failed attempts at big wins in front of big home crowds they still kept coming back for those big games that we would eventually lose!
We still haven't played a full season that hasn't been filled with countless heartbreakers, including last year with our back to back to back losses to Valpo, PC, Houston, and then getting murdered by La Salle at the start of conference play and of course, the Fordham game.
I want those seats filled as much as anybody. Reality is what it is. We have more to prove. To be like Wichita state and have a full arena against a crap opponent on a Tuesday night after thanksgiving.
A culture of sustained success keeps those seats filled. We don't have that yet.
Let's take another step towards our goal of having more asses in the seats by finally beating the goddamned friars for the first time THIS DECADE.
ace wrote:Guess what... THEY ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING. I’m sorry a loss to a top 25 ACC team, while missing 40% of the starting line-up, killed your buzz. Enjoy your team or don’t, I don’t care.RhodyRam86 wrote:rhodylaw wrote:Dan has done a lot here, but I don't blame the fan that still needs it to be proven that this team is for real. How many years of hype have we heard about this team, and we only hit pay dirt last year because we got hit in the A10 tourney.
Brown is about the least "sexy" opponent ever, I think Bryant would draw a bigger crowd. Like it or not the buzz was taken out of the air by UVA last week and we need to get a W Saturday to bring it back!
Agree...Had we beaten UVA we may have snuck into the AP top 25. The loss was a buzz kill. A loss to PC and we may not see 6000 in the arena for any remaining game with the conference being so weak. A win vs. PC and Alabama...then we may have something...
ATPTourFan wrote:Agreed with that, Ace. But again we can't expect that the Brown-class of game is going to suddenly start drawing --- and I think Coach Hurley is smart to recognize that too. The real indicator will be those critical games and other tricky games where a true home court advantage is needed to push over the top. Too often we've let the team down for such big non-PC games. The one that always comes to mind was the Davidson game from a few years ago and Hurley's disgusted face while looking around the arena as he stood in line for the anthem was a sight I can't forget. I was equally disgusted the fans didn't show up for a game that ultimately could have earned the team its first regular season A10 championship and a NCAA berth 2 years earlier.
300 is a good guess.reef wrote:So just for sake of argument say we beat Virginia and entered the AP poll at 25 what is the attendance last night ??
Maybe 300 higher but still below 5k
RhowdyRam02 wrote:This is just a giant rats nest of excuses, many of which should be absolutely embarrassing to utter. Nobody is talking about not filling the arena for Brown. What it comes down to is we drew 1100 fewer fans year over year. That's terrible. End of story.PeterRamTime wrote:The Brown game last year was on a Wednesday, we were ranked and it was before thanksgiving.
A lot of these 'casual' fans out there just spent a lot of money on thanksgiving, traveling, and Christmas gifts, so they don't want to spend money to watch us play Brown.
It's the timing of it coupled in with the fact we lost to UVA in the way that we did.
I'm sorry, but we really have to do more if we want games like this one to attract a bigger crowd.
We've had one year of real success in 15 years of this buildings existence.
Despite that one year of huge success, most of it happening in February and March,
We've had an unbelievable amount of home games where the building is packed and we've gone out and sent 6k or 7k home with their hearts broken. Over and over again. As recently as Dayton in February.
How many big home wins have we had with Dan as coach? VCU last year? Nebraska three years ago?
Furthermore, the attendance has been better!
We just broke a record for opening night attendance.
It's trending upwards. Despite all our failed attempts at big wins in front of big home crowds they still kept coming back for those big games that we would eventually lose!
We still haven't played a full season that hasn't been filled with countless heartbreakers, including last year with our back to back to back losses to Valpo, PC, Houston, and then getting murdered by La Salle at the start of conference play and of course, the Fordham game.
I want those seats filled as much as anybody. Reality is what it is. We have more to prove. To be like Wichita state and have a full arena against a crap opponent on a Tuesday night after thanksgiving.
A culture of sustained success keeps those seats filled. We don't have that yet.
Let's take another step towards our goal of having more asses in the seats by finally beating the goddamned friars for the first time THIS DECADE.
Nope. Where he’s from isn’t super close to me. It’s also not a huge basketball area, so he probably made a very good decision to do this year in Virginia.Billyboy78 wrote:Ace, I've probably asked you this before. Have you seen Tyrese Martin play?ace wrote:Sure, he might hit that freshman wall, and the conference will make adjustments, as will he. But right now, his play just makes me happy. I watched him play quite a bit in high school, and he could look under-sized in that setting... now against college guys, he really does- but he’s fearless. EC (and the rest) was spot on with his comment. Even with EC’s injury, it’s so impressive that Fatts is getting minutes on a veteran, guard-heavy team. That’s nice for future recruits to see.sf2010 wrote:
-WOW Fatts. As someone who became (and still is!) a Sixers fan by watching Allen Iverson during my impressionable years, it is impossible to not see shades of The Answer in his game. The speed, body-contorting layups that I'm convinced will start to rattle in more... if he can become the poorest of poor man's AI then we will all be thrilled, and I think he can.
There’s so much love for high school and college basketball in Philly, and I love seeing Fatts continue to get that attention from home while wearing a Rhody uniform.
reef wrote:So just for sake of argument say we beat Virginia and entered the AP poll at 25 what is the attendance last night ??
Maybe 300 higher but still below 5k
But not at VCU and Dayton who we are chasing to be among the Elite Teams in the A10ATPTourFan wrote:Our casual fan base has no idea about games in Brooklyn. They see crap teams on the schedule on a weeknight and opt not to attend. Lots of season tix holders did the same, but at least those seats were paid for. Happens north and west of us for these kinds of games.
Same last year too but we had 1,145 more fannies in the seats.theblueram wrote:Cmon Ramster it's Brown. RPI of 293. We blew them out by nearly 30 points. That's not a game. It's an exhibition.
End the family atmosphere and you will have students hanging from the rafters.ramster wrote:Same last year too but we had 1,145 more fannies in the seats.theblueram wrote:Cmon Ramster it's Brown. RPI of 293. We blew them out by nearly 30 points. That's not a game. It's an exhibition.
Shake up the promotions/marketing departments - get students to the games.
YES YES YEStheblueram wrote:End the family atmosphere and you will have students hanging from the rafters.ramster wrote:Same last year too but we had 1,145 more fannies in the seats.theblueram wrote:Cmon Ramster it's Brown. RPI of 293. We blew them out by nearly 30 points. That's not a game. It's an exhibition.
Shake up the promotions/marketing departments - get students to the games.