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Agree with all of the above...the talent PC has this year is no better than what Rhody has...but the coach is on a totally different level. Anyone that argues that at this point is just fooling themselves on purpose.

rodfromcranston wrote:At the risk of getting trolled here,
ever notice that when PC losses, they come back with a big win?
Lose to Butler in January and beat Georgetown twice.
Lose to St. John's beat Marquette on the road.
Lose to Villanova and Seton Hall and come back to beat Butler
and Xavier.
Ever listen to Ed Cooley? He's the Happy Warrior.
Always positive about his team, and their outlook.
Encourages them to enjoy themselves and have fun
playing the game.
His teams are resilient and bounce back, regardless of the cast
of players.
I'll just leave it at that..............

They have 3 things we don't.

Heart, guts and a competent coach.

We are like the Manning led Colts. Lots of flashy talent but the game had to go perfectly to plan to win. Can't handle any adversity

This thread has actually come full circle and has now become unfair to Jim Baron.

Rod you hit the nail on the head. He develops players. Now it's Cartwright at the point. They get better as the year goes on. It's night and day. No comparison. Have to face the truth.

We will see trapping zone defenses with multiple looks the rest of the season. 20 wins is now unlikely. NIT is no lock either.

43 points. Ask yourself if you had URI on your schedule as a head coach what film would you be watching?

The sad part is it ain't rocket science. Fordham has been doing that stuff all season. We don't have a film room in Kingston? Is it broken along with the hot tubs? Baseline wide open all night! I saw the Dayton game at Rose Hill - Archie attacked it.

We dribbled.

We didn't box out a lick in our end either.

My players didn't box out back in the day they were pullin splinters outta their bottoms.....

Yuk.....could I be more disappointed?

The next set of Rams coming in are just a wee bit better than these Bronx guys.

Good luck with that.

Horrible.

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I'm out y'all have fun!

I just can't believe how we have under achieved with this team. No excuses for losing to Fordham at home

The Bryce Cottons and the Ladontae Hentsons hit their peak
as seniors, with a steady climb in progress.
Same with their role players.

Good point Rod and our players are doing nothing but underachieving

Agree with Rod based on what I've noticed in the culture of the program up north. Part of good coaching is the ability to focus on the present. Did the Patriots ever worry about how far they were down or let it affect their game in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl? You have to forget about what already happened and focus on the present and what can be done RIGHT NOW and in this moment to improve. This program lacks that mindset and it comes from the top down.

Tonight's effort could be the result of a Dayton hangover among many other things, but when you let the past get under your skin you lose to Fordham at home scoring only 43 points. Preparation for this game also sucked. It's mostly all on the staff.

Our upperclassmen play like scared freshmen.....and even JD looked lost too....the look on his face said it all....he was VERY unhappy...the rest of them looked like they could care less.

Dowtin had more fouls and turnovers than points.
Gets the praise when he plays well,
shares the blame when he doesn't.
No sacred cows here.
Speaking of Cooley, did he openly mourn the loss of
Kris Dunn like Dan mourned losing EC?
Nope! It was "next man up!"

EC looks lost out there nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago

The whole team stunk tonight plus the coaching staff, including Dowtin, Terrell, Mathews, Iverson, Thompson, Akele, Langevine. Garrett gets a reprieve and was not Dan's best move to put him in to this disaster as he tries to come back from a long period of illness and recovery.

The only player who gets anywhere close to a positive in my book is Martin.

Martin went 6-12 FGs.
Take away his 6-12 and the team shot 11-44 FGs or a disastrous 25%
Martin had 7 rebounds, 15 points, 3 blocks but he did have 3 TOs, 3-6 FTs and Fordham had their way inside for rebounds. Martin can't do it all by himself as it showed tonight

It's good to have Jarvis back he may actually help us going forward here

Most coaches would consider a shakeup in the lineup. Think Dan will?

ramfan, we've run out of options.....they all sucked.....walk ons maybe?

Or, volunteers...lol

ramfan85 wrote:Most coaches would consider a shakeup in the lineup. Think Dan will?

good one! Not that it would make any difference, but when was the last time there was ever a lineup change made based on performance here? Seriously...has it ever happened?

It has happened. Just not recently.

if i were Christon Thompson, I'd think about leaving.
He has talent and just seems to be not progressing here.
With EC, Garrett, Terrell, Dowtin, Robinson, and Fatts,
where is any playing time for him?
Robinson BTW,has become invisible lately, and very error prone.

the entire team seems out of it mentally.

If this was a P5 school, the coach would be gone and pronto.


Like what's going to happen at NC State......like us, they've had several games this season where the players mailed it in.....and the school came out publically and said this was unacceptable.

rambone 78 wrote:the entire team seems out of it mentally.

If this was a P5 school, the coach would be gone and pronto.


Like what's going to happen at NC State......like us, they've had several games this season where the players mailed it in.....and the school came out publically and said this was unacceptable.

Not here. Our AD is "excited for the future"

NYGFan_Section208 wrote:Agree with all of the above...the talent PC has this year is no better than what Rhody has...but the coach is on a totally different level. Anyone that argues that at this point is just fooling themselves on purpose.

Honest question, when is the last time someone argued Hurley is a better coach than Cooley? It used to happen, but I don't remember that argument being made in quite a while.

CL really needs to do nothing but work on his offense in the offseason

omg this thread is so embarrassing, it really makes us look like we have no idea about basketball, I mean how dare we compare the great and accomplished Dan Hurley to the coach that took THE BONNIES to the tourney? We must all be morons, how dare we compare and contrast our last two coaches. I mean really they're not comparable at all, one guy had no clue about adjustments and the other guy clearly has no clue about adjustments, one guy blamed nearly every loss on lack of effort, energy and/or leadership, the other guy blames nearly every loss on lack of effort, energy and /or leadership. I could go on and on but we can clearly see they are not comparable at all, in any way.

I'm so over it, no more expectations, no more fooling me into thinking 'we think big'

You know what, when those who are not innovative think big, you get less innovative results!!!

last night I wasn't even pissed, I was happy the team let us off the hook, but the more I stomach this loss the more I'm feeling like I'm waking up from a bad romantic relationship where I knew it was over in year two but kept convincing myself otherwise, so like that situation I'm pissed with myself for allowing such deep emotional ties to keep me from moving on.

God I miss when we were that tough as nails team full of confident and ballsy players (Hellenga, Dawan, Daniels, Delroy, Ulmer, Seawright, TJ, X)

so...just realized that basically everyone i named up there is a tri-state guy. but thats the type of player we need.

I began as a URI student in 2000 and really started following the team in the beginning of the 2002-2003 season. This is easily the most unlikeable URI team that I've seen. I hate to question effort but when you lost to a school like Fordham who was 5 games under .500 going into last night as a 15.5 point favorite it has to be questioned. Are they tuning Hurley out? Is there something else going on that we don't know about?

Maybe the problem is is they're just not that good and they were overhyped because of who their coach is.

rodfromcranston wrote:The Bryce Cottons and the Ladontae Hentsons hit their peak
as seniors, with a steady climb in progress.
Same with their role players.

Want to know the scary thing about not developing players?

Our team is going to be worse next year.

Our last couple recruiting classes have been average. This team will be much worse once Hassan and EC leave.

We have no big man at all other than an undersized Hassan. Can we recruit a big man who can make a low post move once? Cyril will be a nice role player piece of the puzzle but he's not going to be any answer down low. The only recruits here that were high caliber A-10 talent were the four in the beginning: Hassan, EC, Jared, and Jarvis.

The last couple recruiting classes have no above average talent. At least from what I see now but that could be coaching and development. It's obvious...never winning close games, never developing any players...spend less time on your meltdowns with refs, and yelling at coaches like cooley and turgereon and become a coach.

15, it's the whole package, and that package is seriously lacking in many areas.

Too many holes in the dike to patch.

exactly.. no big men next year

good luck

and please.. please.. please..

don't tell me akele is a "big"

to steal a line from IMUS, i might have been born at night, but not last night

i really think the talent issue is we are now feeling the effects of losing Preston. We are 2 classes removed now and that is enough time to see that the talent level is going to drop off and soon.

trust me, this is no slight against any of the players. its not their fault in any way, but...

EC, Hass, Terrell, Jarvis vs Christion, Akele, Dowtin, Langevine is a pretty substantial difference overall.

Dowtin looks like a find, I live his aggressiveness and he's had some downs but the lights havent looked too bright. Langevine Im encouraged by, give him some time with ARD (thinking like Seawright. Couldnt get out of his own way years 1,2...developed into a great player)

But overall the recruiting has dropped off noticeably without Preston here.

Its something Dan needs to address and go out and find himself another great recruiter.

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:i really think the talent issue is we are now feeling the effects of losing Preston. We are 2 classes removed now and that is enough time to see that the talent level is going to drop off and soon.

trust me, this is no slight against any of the players. its not their fault in any way, but...

EC, Hass, Terrell, Jarvis vs Christion, Akele, Dowtin, Langevine is a pretty substantial difference overall.

Dowtin looks like a find, I live his aggressiveness and he's had some downs but the lights havent looked too bright. Langevine Im encouraged by, give him some time with ARD (thinking like Seawright. Couldnt get out of his own way years 1,2...developed into a great player)

But overall the recruiting has dropped off noticeably without Preston here.

Its something Dan needs to address and go out and find himself another great recruiter.

The next step in this conversation following on from above is pretty clear.

No?

You all enjoy, I'm going skiing.

(Desperately dodging all my Friartown friends)

hrstrat57 wrote:

Da_Process_Survivor wrote:i really think the talent issue is we are now feeling the effects of losing Preston. We are 2 classes removed now and that is enough time to see that the talent level is going to drop off and soon.

trust me, this is no slight against any of the players. its not their fault in any way, but...

EC, Hass, Terrell, Jarvis vs Christion, Akele, Dowtin, Langevine is a pretty substantial difference overall.

Dowtin looks like a find, I live his aggressiveness and he's had some downs but the lights havent looked too bright. Langevine Im encouraged by, give him some time with ARD (thinking like Seawright. Couldnt get out of his own way years 1,2...developed into a great player)

But overall the recruiting has dropped off noticeably without Preston here.

Its something Dan needs to address and go out and find himself another great recruiter.

The next step in this conversation following on from above is pretty clear.

No?

You all enjoy, I'm going skiing.

(Desperately dodging all my Friartown friends)

Murphy returns home to a hero's welcome....

Thinking Big! (we don't)

Hurley's too inexperienced!!

Hire Preston!

ATPTourFan wrote:Thinking Big! (we don't)

Hurley's too inexperienced!!

Hire Preston!

and the 1st place/fresh off a finals appearance Cavs sacking their coach in favor of the greener than goose s**t Tyronn Lue was a sign that the inmates ran the asylum and was going to ruin the team

You know, plan B, if they didn't land Hurley was
to hire Al Skinner back with Preston as future head coach
in training.
In retrospect, that could have worked.
Preston was recruited to URI by Skinner,
got his first coaching job under Skinner.
Oh, well. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

rodfromcranston wrote:You know, plan B, if they didn't land Hurley was
to hire Al Skinner back with Preston as future head coach
in training.
In retrospect, that could have worked.
Preston was recruited to URI by Skinner,
got his first coaching job under Skinner.
Oh, well. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

Will always be partial to Al. He was the coach during my time at Rhody and he was a great guy. Even got to play a handful of times on his team during the faculty games at lunch in West Gym when they needed another body, I believe it's West Gym, not East, the one on the second floor.

At the time I wanted DH when we landed him

Now after year 5 I wonder how the Skinner Preston hire would have worked here I think probably better than the results so far but I guess we will never know

reef......couldn't have been worse....and we might have more of a balanced roster at this point.

Boy that sounds pretty dumb. Couldn't have been worse? Are you serious? Jesus.

No it doesn't ATP. 0 for 5 in the NCAAT as in years and 1 and MAYBE 2 NIT's.........I think Skinner and Preston would have done better.

And the recruiting could be better and likely would be.

I was talking the bottom line.

I guess if you are looking at a million outcomes than, yeah, there are some worse outcomes. Scandal, point shaving, etc. are all part of a million outcomes. But, if we are talking reasonable outcomes, this is pretty close to the worst case scenario within two standard deviations. Close to zero chance at an at large in year 5 with recruiting being gross over the last almost three years. Raise your hand if you had 0 for 5 with years 6 and 7 looking worse than year 3? I'll hang up and listen.

Patsos, Ferry, Skerry...those were some of the names being tossed around when Baron was let go.

The only person interviewed for the job besides
Hurley was Al Skinner.
Fact.

Even today Hurley's resume doesn't stack up to Skinner's.

It's so easy to just say "oh yeah this hire would have been better". Nobody has any idea how it would have worked out.

If we miss this year, then I agree this is about as bad as it can get. Not necessarily because of this year itself but because of the question marks going forward. ATP I am considering this from a "NCAA or Bust" perspective

bigappleram wrote:Patsos, Ferry, Skerry...those were some of the names being tossed around when Baron was let go.

Also Jim Chrisitian and Steve Pikiell . Although, their records are not great, both programs seem to be headed in right direction and have surprised a bit. Arguably the 2 most difficult jobs in their respective conferences. Before Dan's crew gets upset, I am not comparing these guys to Dan or saying they should have been hired. Simply saying I recall these names being thrown around. I'll say again, I was all in, like most of the people for Dan's hiring. At this point though, I, too have my questions or reservations he can do what we had hired him to do.