Yeah, but...you didn't say to not dump him either...Da_Process_Survivor wrote:Ummm, an underachieving team changing coaches and taking off is a concept that happens in ALL sports.Rhody15 wrote:Let's compare a professional football team to an Atlantic 10 basketball team. Yup that's makes alotta sense.rambone 78 wrote:Look at the Giants....couldn't win any close games last year....change coaches...and VOILA!
Duck.......
The Penguins last year are out of the playoffs at the break and fire Bylsma. Under the new coach they catch fire and win the Cup.
On a team that is underachieving, changing coaches is the quickest way to turn it around (not saying dump Hurley)
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URI I'm sure is in no hurry to dump DH.....at least not yet....they've invested a lot of salary, perks, and upgrades to the program....things move slowly in Kingston......sort of like our offense, no?
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Bi-weekly reminder that this is the dumbest thread in the history of this board.
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In all areas but one, you're right BM it is dumb........that one area though is wins and losses in close games....the bottom line.
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Dumbest thread and by far the dumbest titled threadBlue Man wrote:Bi-weekly reminder that this is the dumbest thread in the history of this board.
Now back to your regularly scheduled misery.
And we can celebrate today that it has now extended to 8 pages.........and counting.
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I know we have not won all of the close ones this year, but have so many nightmare memories of Baron finally getting a good matchup on National TV and then we would get blown out. I would be so embarrassed after getting my hopes up - then to hear him on the post game show would add insult to injury.
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That's true...at least we don't usually get blown out when we are in the big games under Hurley...If they counted moral victories we would have been to the tourney by now under Hurley.
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RIFan wrote:That's true...at least we don't usually get blown out when we are in the big games under Hurley...If they counted moral victories we would have been WON to the tourney by now under Hurley.
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This is a "benefit", if you want to call it that, of a slower tempo. Hurley's teams rarely get blown out. It's happened a few times but, in general, the slower you play the less likely it is you will get blown out. Dan has always emphasized defense first which also helps in avoiding a blowout. Add to this that I've never seen a Hurley team quit on him. Maybe one time they did against St Joes on the road in his first or second year.RIFan wrote:That's true...at least we don't usually get blown out when we are in the big games under Hurley...If they counted moral victories we would have been to the tourney by now under Hurley.
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Really? Let me refresh your memory.RIFan wrote:That's true...at least we don't usually get blown out when we are in the big games under Hurley...If they counted moral victories we would have been to the tourney by now under Hurley.
VATech- L 69-50
St.Mary's L 82-59
SMU L 89-58
AZ L 87-59
Kansas :L 76-60
Dayton L 75-59
Maryland L 86-63
VCU L 83-67
What moral wins were in that group?
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I was agreeing that they don't seem to get blown out as much as under Baron 1.0. I admit that I did not go and review the previous 4 seasons, but it looks like you listed 8 games...that averages out to 2 a year, which seems better to me than CFL. But I may be wrong, and Hurley may be just as bad...thus the Baron 2.0 thread...
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Hurley hasn't totally lived up to expectations, including his own. But he is not "just as bad" as Jim Baron.
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He's the updated version of Baron. Might be some minor differences but overall same general idea. At least that's what I think when reading Baron 2.0.
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I only read part of this thread because I value my sanity. Jim Baron was not fired because he couldn't win close games; he was fired because he did not appear in an NCAA tournament. Granted, those two things are related. At some point, Hurley will have to get the team in the tournament. Things have not gone as planned so far this year, but it's a little early to be throwing in the towel.
I'm a fan of Preston Murphy but his impact on URI recruiting is being over stated a bit here. This is Hurley's team; he has improved the skill level dramatically.
Most of those on this board who say Hurley is a bad X and O coach couldn't draw up a play if there life depended on it.
The start of this season has been a bummer but let's keep some perspective please.
I'm a fan of Preston Murphy but his impact on URI recruiting is being over stated a bit here. This is Hurley's team; he has improved the skill level dramatically.
Most of those on this board who say Hurley is a bad X and O coach couldn't draw up a play if there life depended on it.
The start of this season has been a bummer but let's keep some perspective please.
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oh........Like an I-Phone
Got it. Thanks.
Although I do not and never will get the comparison. To me it's not even close, but that's just me.
Got it. Thanks.
Although I do not and never will get the comparison. To me it's not even close, but that's just me.
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It's not just you
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One was a guy who had logged 25+ years at his profession....one is a guy with 7 years experience.
The only similarity is that they are both basketball coaches.
This thread remains a stain on this board.
The only similarity is that they are both basketball coaches.
This thread remains a stain on this board.
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My main concern is that he's not winning with one of the most talented teams we have had in a very long time. I've praised him for getting these kids to buy into this program, but he needs results now not later... If he can't make the tourney with this group then when will he?
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Unless there is a stud class coming in for '18, I'd say never.steveystuds06 wrote:My main concern is that he's not winning with one of the most talented teams we have had in a very long time. I've praised him for getting these kids to buy into this program, but he needs results now not later... If he can't make the tourney with this group then when will he?
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Iggy, I've always valued your knowledge on our program. And as I said way earlier in the thread, the reason Baron got canned was due to no NCAA Tournaments. So, if Dan can't turn this around and get us to the NCAAT after 5 years, what do things look like?Iggy1979 wrote:I only read part of this thread because I value my sanity. Jim Baron was not fired because he couldn't win close games; he was fired because he did not appear in an NCAA tournament. Granted, those two things are related. At some point, Hurley will have to get the team in the tournament. Things have not gone as planned so far this year, but it's a little early to be throwing in the towel.
I'm a fan of Preston Murphy but his impact on URI recruiting is being over stated a bit here. This is Hurley's team; he has improved the skill level dramatically.
Most of those on this board who say Hurley is a bad X and O coach couldn't draw up a play if there life depended on it..
The start of this season has been a bummer but let's keep some perspective please.
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DH will be judged by NCAA tourney appearances...that's what he was hired to do....how many more NCAA tourney-less years will URI put up with?
Who thinks we will be better without Hass next season? Will it even matter who Dan recruits? If he can't max the talent...that's what concerns me the most.....
Who thinks we will be better without Hass next season? Will it even matter who Dan recruits? If he can't max the talent...that's what concerns me the most.....
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Who said he can't make the tournament with this group? We haven't reached conference play and we're projected to have an RPI in the 30's. Let's wait a while before we put a sheet over this season.steveystuds06 wrote:My main concern is that he's not winning with one of the most talented teams we have had in a very long time. I've praised him for getting these kids to buy into this program, but he needs results now not later... If he can't make the tourney with this group then when will he?
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Can we do this on a scale of 1-10 ?? I hate putting these 2 on equal footing
I will go DH 6 of 10 and CFL 4 of 10
I will go DH 6 of 10 and CFL 4 of 10
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Yep 7-4 vs should be 9-2.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Who said he can't make the tournament with this group? We haven't reached conference play and we're projected to have an RPI in the 30's. Let's wait a while before we put a sheet over this season.steveystuds06 wrote:My main concern is that he's not winning with one of the most talented teams we have had in a very long time. I've praised him for getting these kids to buy into this program, but he needs results now not later... If he can't make the tourney with this group then when will he?
Nobody on the schedule we can't beat....Martin back soon.....Discussion board opinions are ours only, the team is still in firm control of it's fate - two huge hiccups need not ruin a season. The break in the schedule has given time for injuries to heal, new plays and game plans to be prepared and practiced.
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.......can we call this a reset on the season?......I can certainly get behind this......Go Rhody......just win the next one......hrstrat57 wrote:Yep 7-4 vs should be 9-2.RhowdyRam02 wrote:Who said he can't make the tournament with this group? We haven't reached conference play and we're projected to have an RPI in the 30's. Let's wait a while before we put a sheet over this season.steveystuds06 wrote:My main concern is that he's not winning with one of the most talented teams we have had in a very long time. I've praised him for getting these kids to buy into this program, but he needs results now not later... If he can't make the tourney with this group then when will he?
Nobody on the schedule we can't beat....Martin back soon.....Discussion board opinions are ours only, the team is still in firm control of it's fate - two huge hiccups need not ruin a season. The break in the schedule has given time for injuries to heal, new plays and game plans to be prepared and practiced.
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In addition to my bi-weekly or tri-weekly reminder that this is the dumbest thread in the history of this board, I will continue to bump this quote because it's the best in a minority of the rational posts that appear here.Iggy1979 wrote:I only read part of this thread because I value my sanity. Jim Baron was not fired because he couldn't win close games; he was fired because he did not appear in an NCAA tournament. Granted, those two things are related. At some point, Hurley will have to get the team in the tournament. Things have not gone as planned so far this year, but it's a little early to be throwing in the towel.
I'm a fan of Preston Murphy but his impact on URI recruiting is being over stated a bit here. This is Hurley's team; he has improved the skill level dramatically.
Most of those on this board who say Hurley is a bad X and O coach couldn't draw up a play if there life depended on it.
The start of this season has been a bummer but let's keep some perspective please.
Proceed with the pity party for the lost season. In December.
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I agree with most of this but what does being able to draw up a play have to do with noticing the offense looks good or bad? You don't need to have directed a movie to realize a movie is good or bad, same can be said about any college coach regarding the offense or defense.Iggy1979 wrote:I only read part of this thread because I value my sanity. Jim Baron was not fired because he couldn't win close games; he was fired because he did not appear in an NCAA tournament. Granted, those two things are related. At some point, Hurley will have to get the team in the tournament. Things have not gone as planned so far this year, but it's a little early to be throwing in the towel.
I'm a fan of Preston Murphy but his impact on URI recruiting is being over stated a bit here. This is Hurley's team; he has improved the skill level dramatically.
Most of those on this board who say Hurley is a bad X and O coach couldn't draw up a play if there life depended on it.
The start of this season has been a bummer but let's keep some perspective please.
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From GoRhody................
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
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Yeah, but they're 1-4 in those games. You can schedule all the good teams you want. If you lose to almost all of them, who the hell. cares?
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You know Ramster if you really think like an optimist here we are 2 made baskets or stops away in 2 games from having a whole different outlook here despite a lot of lousy play at times.....and if we had responded to Gray a bit better in the Houston game we could/should have just one defeat.ramster wrote:From GoRhody................
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
It's silly to throw the towel in on 16/17 at this point.....
We forum sideline wannabees are empowered to bitch a lot because of a total of 4 made or stopped baskets.....a point that must be made.
The line between elite and also ran is very fine indeed.
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Not sure it's a fine line...if you are always on the same side of it, it's more like a fence, isn't it? And a pretty secure one at that?hrstrat57 wrote:You know Ramster if you really think like an optimist here we are 2 made baskets or stops away in 2 games from having a whole different outlook here despite a lot of lousy play at times.....and if we had responded to Gray a bit better in the Houston game we could/should have just one defeat.ramster wrote:From GoRhody................
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
It's silly to throw the towel in on 16/17 at this point.....
We forum sideline wannabees are empowered to bitch a lot because of a total of 4 made or stopped baskets.....a point that must be made.
The line between elite and also ran is very fine indeed.
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I heard last night that the Celtics are 13-1 in games decided by 3 points or less. Think that has anything to do with coaching?
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Celtics game was awesome last night...I didn't "know" they were going to win, but I didn't "know" they were going to lose either...pretty refreshing.
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Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.
A loss is a loss. Especially when so many of these losses, we had the lead
and stopped playing in the last couple of minutes.
Some here can try to rationalize close losses into wins.
I don't care about close, I care about wins.
This moral victory stuff is for the birds.
A loss is a loss. Especially when so many of these losses, we had the lead
and stopped playing in the last couple of minutes.
Some here can try to rationalize close losses into wins.
I don't care about close, I care about wins.
This moral victory stuff is for the birds.
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You have 5 games that we went 1-4 in.
Can't compare that to any other team in the country because no other team in the country scheduled 5 teams of that level and no other team schedule 3 road games with teams of that level.
yes, we went 1-4.
Can't compare that to any other team in the country because no other team in the country scheduled 5 teams of that level and no other team schedule 3 road games with teams of that level.
yes, we went 1-4.
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So next year we should go back to Baron scheduling. This way we can:
- Enter A10 Conference Play 12-0 or 11-1
- Everybody excited, riding high, saying we should be ranked Top 25, we are getting screwed because we are not ranked
- Ryan Center filling up because we are 12-0 and playing Maine, New Hampshire, Wagner,
- Not see players have to perform under pressure, play against other Top 50 RPI Teams, see who steps up and who doesn't, see where the weaknesses are
- Not have Hurley is Baron 2.0 threads
- Not blame anything and everything on the Head Coach. Rave about how great the players are doing.
Personally I want to see:
- How the William & Mary Game works out
- How the 18 Game A10 Conference Games work out
- How the A10 Post Season Tournament works out
- How the NCAA Tournament Selection Process works out
Does the tough OOC Schedule prove to have been a benefit or a non-benefit? The 3 Road Games that ZERO of the other Top 50 RPI Teams would choose to tackle? Was it a wise more by our Head Coach? Most HC's would say no - obviously they would say that because they choose not to do it
According to most on this embarrassingly titled Baron 2.0 Thread the answer is a resounding NO. It was not a wise more. This board cannot handle the losses (albeit close losses).
But for me I am glad he did it. I am happy he scheduled like he did. No reservations at all. Happy with the 1-4 record - of course not. Ready to run the HC out of town? of course not - the season is not 1/4 complete yet. Ready to call the season a complete and utter failure? of course not.
Will this tough OOC scheduling pay off?
Only time will tell.
I've said it before and stick to it that the Title of Thread is way, way, way off base calling it Baron 2.0. That makes no sense to me.
For many, many years the thrashing that Baron took on this board was relentless, non-stop, brutal, monotonous, sometimes personal, posters were brutalizing the guy constantly and then some immediately departed or soon thereafter when Baron left.....never to return. Baron could not do anything right, not press conferences, not post game shows, not sideline demeanor, not his accent, not quotes to the Projo, everything he did was wrong. I rarely ever let my opinion be known about how I felt about the guy and got labeled a Baron Ballwasher - a disgusting name calling if I ever heard one - yet people did not even know where I stood. Since he has gone I have realized that he was worse than I thought he was. But if you didn't join the hanging mob you were a Baron Ballwasher - even if you never committed one way or the other.
Since Baron, I have observed the uptick in the quality of academics, the virtual elimination of behavior issues, players respecting one another and the coaches, recruiting from High Performing AAU and High School Teams, high caliber preseason tournaments, being ranked in the Top 25, being picked to win the A10 preseason, getting pay increases for the Assistant Coaches, bringing in a top notch academic advisor, a Head Coach and Assistant Coaches who will individually take the blame for a loss not as before to blame everything but himself, a Head Coach who knows the game and has lived it his entire life and can articulate his observations in the Post Game show with poise, bringing in a top notch strength and conditioning coach, team and player discipline, recruiting players with good attitudes who as Alumni we will all be proud to have graduated from our State University, new weight training facility, money for charter flights to away games, more attention from the National Press, pride back in the URI Basketball Program around the country, URI being talked about again, promoting assistants to jobs at Boston College then to Creighton, to Arizona State, to Xavier, an assistant HC getting ready to assume a promotion in David Cox.............and Baron in all of his years? Pat Skerry to PC, and others? crickets??
To say Baron was a 4 and Hurley is a 6? to say Hurley is Baron 2.0? to say they are even? to say the gap is not that large? to say the gap is closing?
The same environment that was present for many years, especially the last 3 years, with Baron is starting to show signs of returning.
Are things perfect? No.
Is the URI Basketball Program in a different place than it was before Dan Hurley arrived? For me it is a resounding yes. It is not even remotely close to where we were. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.
I am embarrassed that this thread exists on the KeaneyBlue Board. I am bewildered and astounded that anybody can believe that DH remotely equates to JB. The program is far ahead of where we were.
But all are entitled to their opinion, even if it does not agree with the majority
- Enter A10 Conference Play 12-0 or 11-1
- Everybody excited, riding high, saying we should be ranked Top 25, we are getting screwed because we are not ranked
- Ryan Center filling up because we are 12-0 and playing Maine, New Hampshire, Wagner,
- Not see players have to perform under pressure, play against other Top 50 RPI Teams, see who steps up and who doesn't, see where the weaknesses are
- Not have Hurley is Baron 2.0 threads
- Not blame anything and everything on the Head Coach. Rave about how great the players are doing.
Personally I want to see:
- How the William & Mary Game works out
- How the 18 Game A10 Conference Games work out
- How the A10 Post Season Tournament works out
- How the NCAA Tournament Selection Process works out
Does the tough OOC Schedule prove to have been a benefit or a non-benefit? The 3 Road Games that ZERO of the other Top 50 RPI Teams would choose to tackle? Was it a wise more by our Head Coach? Most HC's would say no - obviously they would say that because they choose not to do it
According to most on this embarrassingly titled Baron 2.0 Thread the answer is a resounding NO. It was not a wise more. This board cannot handle the losses (albeit close losses).
But for me I am glad he did it. I am happy he scheduled like he did. No reservations at all. Happy with the 1-4 record - of course not. Ready to run the HC out of town? of course not - the season is not 1/4 complete yet. Ready to call the season a complete and utter failure? of course not.
Will this tough OOC scheduling pay off?
Only time will tell.
I've said it before and stick to it that the Title of Thread is way, way, way off base calling it Baron 2.0. That makes no sense to me.
For many, many years the thrashing that Baron took on this board was relentless, non-stop, brutal, monotonous, sometimes personal, posters were brutalizing the guy constantly and then some immediately departed or soon thereafter when Baron left.....never to return. Baron could not do anything right, not press conferences, not post game shows, not sideline demeanor, not his accent, not quotes to the Projo, everything he did was wrong. I rarely ever let my opinion be known about how I felt about the guy and got labeled a Baron Ballwasher - a disgusting name calling if I ever heard one - yet people did not even know where I stood. Since he has gone I have realized that he was worse than I thought he was. But if you didn't join the hanging mob you were a Baron Ballwasher - even if you never committed one way or the other.
Since Baron, I have observed the uptick in the quality of academics, the virtual elimination of behavior issues, players respecting one another and the coaches, recruiting from High Performing AAU and High School Teams, high caliber preseason tournaments, being ranked in the Top 25, being picked to win the A10 preseason, getting pay increases for the Assistant Coaches, bringing in a top notch academic advisor, a Head Coach and Assistant Coaches who will individually take the blame for a loss not as before to blame everything but himself, a Head Coach who knows the game and has lived it his entire life and can articulate his observations in the Post Game show with poise, bringing in a top notch strength and conditioning coach, team and player discipline, recruiting players with good attitudes who as Alumni we will all be proud to have graduated from our State University, new weight training facility, money for charter flights to away games, more attention from the National Press, pride back in the URI Basketball Program around the country, URI being talked about again, promoting assistants to jobs at Boston College then to Creighton, to Arizona State, to Xavier, an assistant HC getting ready to assume a promotion in David Cox.............and Baron in all of his years? Pat Skerry to PC, and others? crickets??
To say Baron was a 4 and Hurley is a 6? to say Hurley is Baron 2.0? to say they are even? to say the gap is not that large? to say the gap is closing?
The same environment that was present for many years, especially the last 3 years, with Baron is starting to show signs of returning.
Are things perfect? No.
Is the URI Basketball Program in a different place than it was before Dan Hurley arrived? For me it is a resounding yes. It is not even remotely close to where we were. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.
I am embarrassed that this thread exists on the KeaneyBlue Board. I am bewildered and astounded that anybody can believe that DH remotely equates to JB. The program is far ahead of where we were.
But all are entitled to their opinion, even if it does not agree with the majority
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I'm not saying to schedule cupcakes. I'm saying beat more than one out 5 good teams.
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yeah, and thats EXACTLY what we were stuck saying in the Baron years...almost word for word. 07-08...if only they had 1 more basket against UMass, they dance.hrstrat57 wrote:You know Ramster if you really think like an optimist here we are 2 made baskets or stops away in 2 games from having a whole different outlook here despite a lot of lousy play at times.....and if we had responded to Gray a bit better in the Houston game we could/should have just one defeat.ramster wrote:From GoRhody................
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
It's silly to throw the towel in on 16/17 at this point.....
We forum sideline wannabees are empowered to bitch a lot because of a total of 4 made or stopped baskets.....a point that must be made.
The line between elite and also ran is very fine indeed.
The list of 'if only 1 thing went different' moments under Baron is exactly why he was fired. The point of all of this is to change those 'if only' moments to 'when we did' moments.
Otherwise we are in exactly the same situation as under Baron, a bunch of close but no cigars and a heap of 'hey, at least' moral victory BS to rest our heads on.
Sorry, after 17 years, people can shove their moral victories up their ***...I want wins or get out, no more excuses
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ramster wrote:So next year we should go back to Baron scheduling. This way we can:
- Enter A10 Conference Play 12-0 or 11-1
- Everybody excited, riding high, saying we should be ranked Top 25, we are getting screwed because we are not ranked
- Ryan Center filling up because we are 12-0 and playing Maine, New Hampshire, Wagner,
- Not see players have to perform under pressure, play against other Top 50 RPI Teams, see who steps up and who doesn't, see where the weaknesses are
- Not have Hurley is Baron 2.0 threads
- Not blame anything and everything on the Head Coach. Rave about how great the players are doing.
Personally I want to see:
- How the William & Mary Game works out
- How the 18 Game A10 Conference Games work out
- How the A10 Post Season Tournament works out
- How the NCAA Tournament Selection Process works out
Does the tough OOC Schedule prove to have been a benefit or a non-benefit? The 3 Road Games that ZERO of the other Top 50 RPI Teams would choose to tackle? Was it a wise more by our Head Coach? Most HC's would say no - obviously they would say that because they choose not to do it
According to most on this embarrassingly titled Baron 2.0 Thread the answer is a resounding NO. It was not a wise more. This board cannot handle the losses (albeit close losses).
But for me I am glad he did it. I am happy he scheduled like he did. No reservations at all. Happy with the 1-4 record - of course not. Ready to run the HC out of town? of course not - the season is not 1/4 complete yet. Ready to call the season a complete and utter failure? of course not.
Will this tough OOC scheduling pay off?
Only time will tell.
I've said it before and stick to it that the Title of Thread is way, way, way off base calling it Baron 2.0. That makes no sense to me.
For many, many years the thrashing that Baron took on this board was relentless, non-stop, brutal, monotonous, sometimes personal, posters were brutalizing the guy constantly and then some immediately departed or soon thereafter when Baron left.....never to return. Baron could not do anything right, not press conferences, not post game shows, not sideline demeanor, not his accent, not quotes to the Projo, everything he did was wrong. I rarely ever let my opinion be known about how I felt about the guy and got labeled a Baron Ballwasher - a disgusting name calling if I ever heard one - yet people did not even know where I stood. Since he has gone I have realized that he was worse than I thought he was. But if you didn't join the hanging mob you were a Baron Ballwasher - even if you never committed one way or the other.
Since Baron, I have observed the uptick in the quality of academics, the virtual elimination of behavior issues, players respecting one another and the coaches, recruiting from High Performing AAU and High School Teams, high caliber preseason tournaments, being ranked in the Top 25, being picked to win the A10 preseason, getting pay increases for the Assistant Coaches, bringing in a top notch academic advisor, a Head Coach and Assistant Coaches who will individually take the blame for a loss not as before to blame everything but himself, a Head Coach who knows the game and has lived it his entire life and can articulate his observations in the Post Game show with poise, bringing in a top notch strength and conditioning coach, team and player discipline, recruiting players with good attitudes who as Alumni we will all be proud to have graduated from our State University, new weight training facility, money for charter flights to away games, more attention from the National Press, pride back in the URI Basketball Program around the country, URI being talked about again, promoting assistants to jobs at Boston College then to Creighton, to Arizona State, to Xavier, an assistant HC getting ready to assume a promotion in David Cox.............and Baron in all of his years? Pat Skerry to PC, and others? crickets??
To say Baron was a 4 and Hurley is a 6? to say Hurley is Baron 2.0? to say they are even? to say the gap is not that large? to say the gap is closing?
The same environment that was present for many years, especially the last 3 years, with Baron is starting to show signs of returning.
Are things perfect? No.
Is the URI Basketball Program in a different place than it was before Dan Hurley arrived? For me it is a resounding yes. It is not even remotely close to where we were. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.
I am embarrassed that this thread exists on the KeaneyBlue Board. I am bewildered and astounded that anybody can believe that DH remotely equates to JB. The program is far ahead of where we were.
But all are entitled to their opinion, even if it does not agree with the majority
your entire false rant has been proven wrong a few pages ago. Baron actually scheduled much tougher than Hurley has.
Just from 07-08 to 09-10, they played
7-08...in OOC we played @USF, @UAB, @BC, @Syracuse, home PC and won 4 of 5.
08-09...in OOC played @Duke, home VCU, @PC, @Penn St, @Villanova, neutral OK State
09-10...in OOC played @Davidson, @VCU, home PC, @BC, neutral OK State
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False rant?
I could just as easily say this entire Baron 2.0 is a false rant. In fact I think I will.
Guess that makes Baron and Hurley equal. Let's just leave out everything else in my false rant.
I could just as easily say this entire Baron 2.0 is a false rant. In fact I think I will.
Guess that makes Baron and Hurley equal. Let's just leave out everything else in my false rant.
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You can't possibly tell me that Baron scheduled tougher OOC Schedules than what Hurley just scheduled.
So if Jim Baron scheduled OOC Games that could be categorized by the 9 bullet points below then I will agree with you. He did not win 20 games for many years on end by scheduling tough teams in OOC.
But if you are going to tell me that Jim Baron scheduled tough OOC Schedules and performed well in them then I literally give up.
If he was that good you win - bring him back - we should never have let him go in the first place - he is not coaching, just pick up the freaken phone.
This thread is beyond belief.
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
So if Jim Baron scheduled OOC Games that could be categorized by the 9 bullet points below then I will agree with you. He did not win 20 games for many years on end by scheduling tough teams in OOC.
But if you are going to tell me that Jim Baron scheduled tough OOC Schedules and performed well in them then I literally give up.
If he was that good you win - bring him back - we should never have let him go in the first place - he is not coaching, just pick up the freaken phone.
This thread is beyond belief.
RHODE ISLAND'S NON-CONFERENCE SLATE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATION
•Through games of Dec. 19, Rhode Island's strength of schedule (SOS) is 28th nationally.
•Rhode Island is the only team in the top 50 of the RPI to have played five games vs. top 50 opponents.
•Additionally, Rhode Island is the only top 50 RPI team to have played three true road games vs top 50 opponents.
•Duke (12), Providence (29), Valparaiso (33), and Houston (39), and Cincinnati (48) are ranked in the top 50.
•Three conference opponents (five games) are also top 50 RPI teams: VCU (26), Dayton (40), and Davidson (46).
•The average RPI of the four losses this season - 28.3. Total point differential in those games - 21 points.
•Valpo, Providence, and Houston - were true road games; Cincinnati and Duke - were neutral-site contests.
•KenPom.com rankings of opponents: Duke (1), Cincinnati (18), Providence (50), Houston (51), Valparaiso (77), ODU (95).
•In total, Rhode Island's schedule features 12 top 100 opponents over 16 total games in non-conference and A-10 play.
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Can Dan actually take credit for scheduling Cincinnati and Duke? Is accepting an invitation to a tournament a scheduling victory?
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If you schedule 3 teams like PC, Valparaiso and Houston on the road - something no other Top 50 RPI team did in the entire country then there exists a possibility that you could lose all 3. If you schedule Cincinnati and Duke on a neutral court then there is the possibility you could lose both of those. We could have gone 0-5.Billyboy78 wrote:I'm not saying to schedule cupcakes. I'm saying beat more than one out 5 good teams.
3 of the games we lost were very close point spreads and we lost by very close margins. We lost all 3. We could have won all 3. We didn't
We learned a lot about our team - some of which we did not like. Several players on this team are not playing as well as they did last year, some are playing better, some the same.
Let the A10 Conference Games begin.
If you schedule the a tough OOC Schedule you must deal with the possibility of more losses than you expected and man up to it. You can shrink, whine, cry, point fingers, get player dissension, OR you can suck it up and become stronger.
Which one will it be? I'm betting on stronger and in the long run we will have benefited from the difficult scheduling. Time to suck it up.
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The regular season is more than 1/3 over. If it was not even 1/4 complete as you state, we would play over 44 games. After the W&M game the season is 40% over. It's not early in the season anymore...
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I'd like to think so too but basketball isn't that black and white. If Hassan played would EC have scored 31?Rhody Guy wrote:With Hassan playing we beat Houston. Tough break.
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We beat bad to mediocre teams where we have a advantage in quality of player. We then lay an egg when we play teams of equal or better talent...where coaching matters. The record is what it is...Dan needs to figure it out or this thread will keep growing.
I also think these players are not good together, as I said before...there appears to be a lack of chemistry...The sum is worse than the parts. But I guess you can say good coaching makes the sum greater than the parts...
I also think these players are not good together, as I said before...there appears to be a lack of chemistry...The sum is worse than the parts. But I guess you can say good coaching makes the sum greater than the parts...
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I agree...and while writing practically a full page article on 'how wonderful' it was to schedule tough opponents is nice...it's probably only going to help ensure this thread makes double digit pages, especially if it gets quoted a few more times.Billyboy78 wrote:I'm not saying to schedule cupcakes. I'm saying beat more than one out 5 good teams.
It's interesting that there's a need to write that much about the schedule when most of the games are losses. If they had won 3 or 4...thinking the responses would likely have been more succinct...losing seems to require a lot more 'splaining, but that still doesn't make it 'not losing'....
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