POWELL, POWELL, POWELL, REALLY?

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 11 years ago

I like that lady who confronted Rod at one of the receptions........she nailed it......I think she was NorwegianGal !!!

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

I think our newest poster may be our best poster.
No matter what happens down the line, I hope all of our recruits have Mike's heart and supportive family.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Pardon me while I reach for some insulin and pull the knives out of my back.
Very different tone than I heard Friday night.
ET TU, Ramulous and 85?

ramfan85 · Unread post by **ramfan85** » 11 years ago

I should have said one of our best posters. Rod is still the man.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Not looking for compliments, just honesty.

Iggy1979 · Unread post by **Iggy1979** » 11 years ago

R72: very well said.

eli#10 · Unread post by **eli#10** » 11 years ago

One thing we must not overlook--playing pg is the most difficult and most important position on any bball team and Mike is still young experience wise as he has only played 6 games into his 2nd year of college ball. There is absolutely no question he will keep getting better with our coaching staff showing the way. Mike almost invariably starts his in your face defense at mid court and playing 36-38 minutes a game has to take a little out of him at the end of games. Getting more minutes and good play from TJ will no doubt help Mike a great deal.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Nothing to do with Powell, but amazing playing time.
I was watching on the NBA channel, a documentary about Wilt's 100 point game, narrated by Bill Russell,
of all people.
In the season where Wilt averaged 50.4 PPG, he only missed EIGHT minutes in
the entire season! The eight minutes were, when he got thrown out of a game.
He said,"I looked back on it, and wasn't there some point where I might have needed a rest?"
Wilt still has 90 records that stand 40 plus years after his last game.
Easily the best bigman ever to play the game, if not the best player ever.

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote: Easily the best bigman ever to play the game, if not the best player ever.

I hope your talking about the narrator . Ha!

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Nope!
I was talking about the guy who once got 55, yes 55 rebounds on the narrator.
Watch it and listen to Russell, and the wonderment in his voice, as he said,
"Wilt could accomplish anything he wanted on a basketball court."
When he had good teams around him, his teams at Philly and LA set a record for wins.
An end of career Wilt, dominated Jabbar in the playoffs.
They showed Wilt blocking the sky hook! Only guy who consistently did that.
He once blocked 26 shots in a game!
He was a great athlete, and a record setting track star in Kansas.
He was a true force of nature, one of the strongest men on earth, and as agile as a 6'5"
player.
Russell said, it is hard to comprehend that Wilt is dead, and people thought he'd make it to
100. (big people usually don't live so long), and that even so many years later, he still misses him.

Ramulous · Unread post by **Ramulous** » 11 years ago

Hey Rod. Beware the ides of December !!!

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Beware of December 21. The Mayans said you're finished then.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Nope!
I was talking about the guy who once got 55, yes 55 rebounds on the narrator.
Watch it and listen to Russell, and the wonderment in his voice, as he said,
"Wilt could accomplish anything he wanted on a basketball court."
When he had good teams around him, his teams at Philly and LA set a record for wins.
An end of career Wilt, dominated Jabbar in the playoffs.
They showed Wilt blocking the sky hook! Only guy who consistently did that.
He once blocked 26 shots in a game!
He was a great athlete, and a record setting track star in Kansas.
He was a true force of nature, one of the strongest men on earth, and as agile as a 6'5"
player.
Russell said, it is hard to comprehend that Wilt is dead, and people thought he'd make it to
100. (big people usually don't live so long), and that even so many years later, he still misses him.

I saw some of that. Russell didn't sound very good. Wilt also had another amazing record. I forget the number, but it involves females...

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Wilt was the A-Rod to Russell's Jeter.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Except Wilt was Babe Ruth.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 11 years ago

The wilt #, somewhere+/- 2000, I can vouch for 3 that I saw go in and out of Wilts hotel room in the hotel adjacent to the old Boston Garden.This was during a March weekend back in the day(1962) when there was a New England high school basketball tourney held in the Garden. EP represented RI as the 1962 Champ, final game victory over Don Kaull's Roger's team.............fond child memories!!

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

section(105) wrote:The wilt #, somewhere+/- 2000, I can vouch for 3 that I saw go in and out of Wilts hotel room in the hotel adjacent to the old Boston Garden.This was during a March weekend back in the day(1962) when there was a New England high school basketball tourney held in the Garden. EP represented RI as the 1962 Champ, final game victory over Don Kaull's Roger's team.............fond child memories!!

I'm pretty sure the number at which Wilt had it estimated was 10,000.

section(105) · Unread post by **section(105)** » 11 years ago

wiki had it as 20,000

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

section(105) wrote:The wilt #, somewhere+/- 2000, I can vouch for 3 that I saw go in and out of Wilts hotel room in the hotel adjacent to the old Boston Garden.This was during a March weekend back in the day(1962) when there was a New England high school basketball tourney held in the Garden. EP represented RI as the 1962 Champ, final game victory over Don Kaull's Roger's team.............fond child memories!!

My brother was lucky enough to play at the old Garden in the 60s when he played for Durfee.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Except Wilt was Babe Ruth.

Eh. Wilt was big in an era where not a lot of guys were. If he was more than moderately skilled he would have won a heck of a lot more than two championships. My favorite part of Bill Simmons's authoritative Book of Basketball was his shaming of Wilt vis a vis Russell.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Bill Simmons, real impartial writer.
Wilt played in an era when there were real bigmen, not
these guys like Bosh, who want to take 20 footers,
and one dimensional people like Dwight Howard.
Moderately skilled???? That's laughable! This was the most skilled
bigman ever to play the game.
His durability is legend. Every minute but 8 in a season.
Wilt played against Russell, Nate Thurmond, who was known as the greatest
defensive center not named Russell, Walt Bellamy, and Willis Reed.
ALL Hall of Famers.
He also dominated Abdul-Jabbar, while he was late in his career.
Wilt used to constantly block the unblockable Kareem sky hook. NOBODY did that.
With his awesome physical skills and strength, Wilt Chamberlain would dominate any era.
So, who was it he didn't play against? You think Olajuon could have stopped him at 6'9"?
You think a roided Howard could? Fat slow Shaq? WHO? He would absolutely devour today's face-up so called bigmen.
Also, there were only ten teams, when he played, so the talent pool wasn't
as dispersed as it is today.
I was lucky enough to see him, Russell, Jabbar, the 1963 Celtics, Dave Cowens, among others.
Russell, with two exceptions, always played with the better players than Wilt. IT'S A TEAM GAME.
Wilt ALWAYS outplayed Russell, despite what the Bill Simmons' of the world think. He also never saw either play.
Who was he talking to, Red? Auerbach hated Wilt.
Put Wilt with Heinsohn, Cousy, Sharman, Howell, Nelson, Havlechek, the Jones's, with Red coaching, and don't
tell me he wouldn't have won just as many championships.
On the two exceptions, Wilt's Philadelphia Warriors and LA Lakers both set season records for most wins in history,
and went on to win NBA championships.
Wilt also lead the league in assists one year! He could do anything. He had a fall away bank shot, that no bigman had,
before or since.
He was asked why he didn't dunk more. He said he didn't want to break other player's hands.
He said if he'd known his record wouldn't have lasted, he'd have scored more.
In his season where he decided to lead the league in assists, he got chided about not being able to
score anymore. Wilt went out and scored 50 and 65 points, then went back to his passing game.
He STILL holds 90 NBA records 40 years after his final game!
The greatest force in the history of team sports. Wilt Chamberlain.

Unread post by **TruePoint** » 11 years ago

Rod, I'm just razzing you bud. Obviously Wilt is one of the best handful or so guys to ever lace them up.

The Dude · Unread post by **The Dude** » 11 years ago

As much as some may want to beat up on Powell during his "first real year of learning how to play point guard under the Hurleys", he was the one who had the game saving assists on the 3 pointers that helped Rhody get the win.
The kid doesn't even lead the team in turnovers. Nik does. Mike is second, but has an ok assist to turn over ratio. He has more assists than turnovers. He averages 2.2 a game. As a point guard if you're averaging 2 turnovers a game, that's not bad at all. The only reason Mike is second in turnovers right now is because he had a bad 2nd half in the Auburn game. He had 3 turnovers in that half and 6 for the game. Prior to Aurburn, he was doing really well in the turnover department.
Give the kid time to grow as a player.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Rule changes

"Chamberlain's impact on the game is also reflected in the fact that he was directly responsible for several rule changes in the NBA, including widening the lane to try to keep him farther away from the hoop, instituting offensive goaltending and revising rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws (such as making it against the rules to inbound the ball over the backboard).[3][134] Chamberlain, who reportedly had a 50-inch vertical leap,[135] was physically capable of converting foul shots via a slam dunk without a running start (beginning his movement at the top of the key).[136] When his dunks practically undermined the difficulty of a foul shot, both the NCAA[137] and the NBA banned his modus operandi."

50" vertical leap?????????????????? Holy Cow!!!!!

rhodylocal · Unread post by **rhodylocal** » 11 years ago

rodfromcranston wrote:Beware of December 21. The Mayans said you're finished then.

Not if Dikembe can help it! http://www.oldspicesavestheworld.com/
I'm a lurker on this forum but thought I'd chime in here because I just saw this link today and found it both hilarious and awesome!

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

I think I read somewhere that despite their fierce rivalry, Wilt and Russ were best friends off the court

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 11 years ago

A most important role for a PG is to make his teammates better by getting the ball to them when and where they can score. It can be a chicken and egg situation whether low scoring is caused by the shooter's inaccuracy or the quality of shots they are getting. Ergo, A/TO ratios don't tell the whole story. Usually if a PG cannot finish going to the basket and cannot pull-up and make 12 foot jumpers, defenses will not respect them and defenses will not help out in defending them. This makes shot selection more difficult when the PG passes after penetrating. I see this as a deficiency for Mike right now - he doesn't finish.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 11 years ago

A most important role for a PG is to make his teammates better by getting the ball to them when and where they can score. It can be a chicken and egg situation whether low scoring is caused by the shooter's inaccuracy or the quality of shots they are getting. Ergo, A/TO ratios don't tell the whole story. Usually if a PG cannot finish going to the basket and cannot pull-up and make 12 foot jumpers, defenses will not respect them and defenses will not help out in defending them. This makes shot selection more difficult when the PG passes after penetrating. I see this as a deficiency for Mike right now - he doesn't finish.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 11 years ago

Rod, makes sure you have something to eat after you take insulin after taking the knives out of your back or you are more likely to pass out from hypoglycemia than blood loss.

Essam · Unread post by **Essam** » 11 years ago

Rod you forget one thing about Russell. Before he came to the celtics the Celtics had never won anything in the NBA. Then they won I think 11 out of 13 championships and one of those championship he was hurt and didn' t play. Cousy was only around for 5 of the championships.Most of the players you mentioned were not around for all 11 of the championship. I will admit that Chambellain had the better basketball skills but if I were picking a Team I would choose a player who always played at a championship level. The teams that Wilt played on were all good teams and most championship were hard fought and close. Wilts teams suffered from the fact that there is only one ball. Wilt in high school was a champion in Track running the quarter mile. To me there is no one that is better than William Fenton Russell.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Some of the hypocricy is mind bending.
People, who in person make cutting remarks about
the player, and then kiss up to his father about how
great his son is.
Why say anything?
I don't get what the game is, but I don't play that way.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Essam,
I very much respect your views, but we'll agree to disagree on this one.
The Celtics had a great supporting cast all though Russell's career.
Don't forget, most of those Celtics-Warrior series went 7 games.
If Havlechek didn't steal the ball, Philly might have had another one.
Wilt also held track records when he ran at Kansas.
He was also a world class volleyball player, after he retired.
Russell said he thought a 50 year old Wilt might still dominate the NBA,
with regards to the constant rumors of Wilt coming back.
They were great friends, who never talked about basketball.
Here's another oddity, while he played for Philly, Wilt lived in NYC.
He said he never went to bed before 5:00AM.
If anyone gets a chance to watch the Wilt 100 on NBA Network,
it's a wonderful tribute to the man, narrated by Bill Russell himself.
You will hear Russell's own words of his admiration and awe of Wilt Chamberlain.

Billyboy78 · Unread post by **Billyboy78** » 11 years ago

I only saw about the 2nd half of Wilt's career. By that time he was using his incredible strength to dominate inside. But, I've seen films of him when he was younger. I think it might have been when he played for the Globetrotters when he was in the middle of the floor, running the fast break, ending up with a behind the back pass to a teammate. He was incredibly athletic for a guy that size. Being a Celtics fan, I know I'm a little biased. That's why I'd rather have Russell. Once again, I only saw the last 5 or 6 yars of career, but have watched tons of film on him. The thing he did the best was what he did with blocked shots. Wilt would intimidate players by swatting shots into the 4th row of the stands. But, Russell would seem to know exactly where his blocked shot would go, directing it to a teammate to start a fast break for an easy basket. I have nothing bad to say about Wilt, obviously one of the greatest to ever play. There was just something I liked about Russell more. He was a great leader and a winner, even going back to his college career at SF, where his team won 2 national championships. He was also captain of the gold medal Olympic team in '56. Whatever team he played on, they won. Yes, he had a good surrounding cast on the Celtics, but he was the constant and the leader. He's a winner.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 11 years ago

I have never been pro or anti Mike Powell, I just talk about what I see; the good, the bad, the unexplainable.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Exactly!
So, why smooch his dad, if you have little good
to say, to others? Why be a two face? Just don't say anything.
I said to Sr., what I said wasn't personal, but I wrote what I saw,
not what I wanted to see. Never knocked him as a person or student.
My tone may have been too harsh at times.
Still, I'm not suddenly going to deify Mike, to his father.
Especially since I had a few go arounds with him on the old board.
That would be disingenuous on my part to say the least.
He referred to EC Matthews as "a high school kid", and got
roundly slammed for his comment, and not just by me.
Whatever. Let's just bury this thread and worry
about Rhody Rams basketball.

Running Ram · Unread post by **Running Ram** » 11 years ago

To be fair Rod, some of us are not just smooching up to Mike Sr., some of us, myself, have been big Powell guys right along. Having said so, I'd also say, its been a long time since I've agreed with 72 (ever since he totally grinchified sometime over the last couple of seasons)

But I will say he makes a valid point, once Mike Jr. becomes stronger at finishing in the lane and midrange it will have a great impact on his increasing ability to get the ball to others for open shots.

rodfromcranston · Unread post by **rodfromcranston** » 11 years ago

Well, he had a hell of a game tonight. Too bad he and Munford got so little help offensively.

Issac · Unread post by **Issac** » 11 years ago

Rather than heaping lots of abuse on Mike Powell, we have to step back and face the reality about the entire team. We have no low post offensive threat whatsoever, Hare and Brooks combined 5 points tonight shows that. More important, opponent coaches know that. They also know we lack depth and so pressuring the guards with multi player defenses wearing them down, forcing them to take bad shots or commit turnovers. The fact that Powell had no turnovers and the entire team minimized TOs was amazing. Mason had terrific defensive intensity and quickness and disrupted URI guard because they didn't have to worry about our bigs. Also, we lost because two key players -Nik and Andre - put in one of thirteen shots at the basket. I am not even going to mention the bad foul shooting.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

I mostly liked what I saw of Powell tonight but he did miss 2 layups that he has to hit

Blue Man · Unread post by **Blue Man** » 11 years ago

No turnovers out of your point guard is always a good night. To be fair, he was assaulted on that breakaway miss and there wasn't a foul called.

Rhody15 · Unread post by **Rhody15** » 11 years ago

Biggest thing with Mike is he's playing 39 MINUTES A GAME and averaging less than 2 turnovers a game. I guarantee nobody else has those two stats this year. Real impressive.

Ryan Rowdy · Unread post by **Ryan Rowdy** » 11 years ago

I was impressed with how well he was moving without the ball last night. Some nice back door cuts. One of those missed layups looked like it came from a bad pass from Brooks (from where I was sitting), seemed like he passed it towards his feet.

The Dude · Unread post by **The Dude** » 11 years ago

Ryan Rowdy wrote:I was impressed with how well he was moving without the ball last night. Some nice back door cuts. One of those missed layups looked like it came from a bad pass from Brooks (from where I was sitting), seemed like he passed it towards his feet.

Yup.

reef · Unread post by **reef** » 11 years ago

They showed the team turnover stat on the broadcast

We were awful last year and this year we are one of the better teams at not turning it over

Great coaching stressing that

rambone 78 · Unread post by **rambone 78** » 11 years ago

The effort and discipline are there this year.

Night and day from last year.

Now we just need the talent.

Next year.

Rhody72 · Unread post by **Rhody72** » 11 years ago

And just think, we could have had another year of less time playing defense and more shots for Billy.

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