Re: Men's Basketball Transfer Carousel and Portal - 2024-25
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:11 pm
Aside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrongBillyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago For those poo pooing the possible loss of Kenny Johnson, I think it's a big deal. He is known as one of the top recruiters in the country. The DMV is producing some of the best talent in the country. If we finally get the money to be able to get high end talent from that area, he's the one who will do it for us. If he gets a P5 job, watch the players he gets. He got us Ben Hammond when Ben could have gone to GMU, VCU or Richmond. If we lose him, we better find another strong presence in the DMV area, especially since we've been getting no kids from New England.
He hasn't blocked you yet?
Come on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoAside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrongBillyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago For those poo pooing the possible loss of Kenny Johnson, I think it's a big deal. He is known as one of the top recruiters in the country. The DMV is producing some of the best talent in the country. If we finally get the money to be able to get high end talent from that area, he's the one who will do it for us. If he gets a P5 job, watch the players he gets. He got us Ben Hammond when Ben could have gone to GMU, VCU or Richmond. If we lose him, we better find another strong presence in the DMV area, especially since we've been getting no kids from New England.
Please name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month agoCome on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoAside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrongBillyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago For those poo pooing the possible loss of Kenny Johnson, I think it's a big deal. He is known as one of the top recruiters in the country. The DMV is producing some of the best talent in the country. If we finally get the money to be able to get high end talent from that area, he's the one who will do it for us. If he gets a P5 job, watch the players he gets. He got us Ben Hammond when Ben could have gone to GMU, VCU or Richmond. If we lose him, we better find another strong presence in the DMV area, especially since we've been getting no kids from New England.
Tom Penders and Jim Harrick. Can also add Preston Murphy.Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoPlease name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month agoCome on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month ago
Aside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrong
We had two future NBA players transfer to bluebloods in the same off season.Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoPlease name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month agoCome on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month ago
Aside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrong
To my knowledge, the program was in no where near the predicament we’re in currently when they each left. Please correct me otherwise. Yes - they were massive for the program, but you cant compare losing them in their college hoops eras of kids hanging around 3-4 years to the shit storm that we’re in now. Keeping KJ is detrimental to ensuring that we’re not in the bottom half of the A-10 for years to come. Keeping Kenny is more massive than you can imagine, clearly. I’m absolutely willing to agree to disagree.theblueram wrote: ↑1 month agoTom Penders and Jim Harrick. Can also add Preston Murphy.Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoPlease name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago
Come on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..
Jack Kraft, Tom Penders, Jim Harrick.Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoPlease name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month agoCome on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month ago
Aside from losing Dan Hurley, Kenny Johnson moving out would be the worst loss in URI athletics history. The implications would be drastic. They really would be. Realistically, he is all but gone, and so is Hammond (as if he’d stay for more than two years anyway). There is just this sad lack of loyalty in the selfish world of college (professional?) sports. But I really cant blame the guy $$$. Of course I hope my prediction is wrong
It’s pretty funny that you consider losing Tyrese Martin and Jacob Toppin comparable to losing Kenny Johnson in this state of the programRhody15 wrote: ↑1 month agoWe had two future NBA players transfer to bluebloods in the same off season.Rhodyg wrote: ↑1 month agoPlease name me 2-3 other coaches/players that have left that have had as much of a negative effect as KJ leaving would have. Especially in our state of the program. We are on the edge of a cliff here. I originally typed a disclaimer that I’m confident many of you would disagree with this.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month ago
Come on now, although important as lead recruiter, and contacts in the industry etc, in our history “the worst loss”……..
Also had an Elite 8 and A10 championship head coach bolt for Georgia.
But sure, an assistant coach who hasn’t brought in anyone worthwhile (TBD on Hammond) is the biggest loss ever.
This I agree with. My argument was based on the implication that he takes Hammond with him and brings elite DMV players in wherever he goes to - yes, elite players that could play here. That’s the power that he has if he can hang on here and Hammond is successful in year 1- and hangs around, himself.rambone 78 wrote: ↑1 month ago
I would agree if he leaves and takes Hammond with him, but if he leaves and Ben stays, dont see it as a big loss.
I've said it before. Ben will not go to Georgetown. But if Kenny goes to Georgetown, I think Ben goes to George Mason. Hope I'm wrong.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month ago Oh wait Kenny is still leaving!?
Hold phone everyone! He's just needed two and a half weeks to iron out his deal with G-Town! He's gonna bring Hammond in to beat out the two blue chip PG's that are alreadt there! You know how long these coaching moves take...they take ages I tell you!
Doom and gloom!
If Kenny does leave, we need to replace him with a coach with strong ties to the DMV. That market has been very good to us for the past decade or so. We need to still have a presence there.rambone 78 wrote: ↑1 month ago How good are things now with KJ?
I would agree if he leaves and takes Hammond with him, but if he leaves and Ben stays, dont see it as a big loss.
What has Archie done to this point?
As far as I'm concerned, we're at or very near the bottom as a program right now.
It can't get much worse no matter what happens,really.
Not sure about a point guard, or at least a quality point guard. I am assuming that any solid point guard will look at Hammond and the experience side covered with Luis and conclude playing time would be an issue. I’d rather go for two center types and three shooting guard or wings.PeterRamTime wrote: ↑1 month agoWell it should be easier for them this time around.section(105) wrote: ↑1 month agoYes, not exactly a newsflash in that Archie has referred few times that the portal recruitment is more like speed dating. I wonder if Archie and staff are doing anything different this time around in the process in addition to finding players defense history, capabilities, and speed? Among other needs between the ears. See PMM post above.Bos8 wrote: ↑1 month ago Recruiting the portal is significantly different then recruiting high schoolers when it comes to "stealth" mode.
Probably the biggest thing is the expedited timeline. In previous recruiting cycles, players may have been in contact with a staff for 1 year + which gives them plenty of time to speak to reporters, websites etc regarding their recruitment. They may be among the top 150/250 kids in their class, so they receive plenty of attention.
With the portal, everything needs to be done in a relatively quick period. So players are focused on narrowing down their list from those 20+ schools that may initially reach out, to the ones actually offering a scholarship, to the ones that meet what they are looking for. All while 1500+ other players are doing the same thing.
It's why brining back a core group of players is so important.
Instead of putting together an entirely new team, they can build off the strengths and weaknesses of the group coming back.
We also have more NIL money to work with.
The staff is dealing with 5 open spots instead of 11. Easier to focus on how to distribute NIL to a smaller group of newcomers.
We SHOULD be able to acquire more talented players considering all those factors. We can also dive back into the high school ranks to fill the final spots.
Imo we need to get a PG, Wing and a center. After that, they can use the last two spots on depth. Not dismissing that we could still have more guys depart.
Besides JD, who came from the DMV?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf Kenny does leave, we need to replace him with a coach with strong ties to the DMV. That market has been very good to us for the past decade or so. We need to still have a presence there.rambone 78 wrote: ↑1 month ago How good are things now with KJ?
I would agree if he leaves and takes Hammond with him, but if he leaves and Ben stays, dont see it as a big loss.
What has Archie done to this point?
As far as I'm concerned, we're at or very near the bottom as a program right now.
It can't get much worse no matter what happens,really.
Do we really know what we have in the bank?
We've had some hits with Jeremy Sheppard, Stan Robinson, Antwan Walker, Ish Leggett and Jaden House. We've had questionable ones like the Mitchell twins and Brayon Freeman. We've had misses like Jermaine Harris, Mekhi Long, Louis Hutchinson, Abdou Samb, Connor Dubsky and Tyson Brown. And we had the most mysterious of all, Anthony Harris. That's a lots of players the past few years. Some good. Some bad. Some indifferent. One invisible.theblueram wrote: ↑1 month agoBesides JD, who came from the DMV?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoIf Kenny does leave, we need to replace him with a coach with strong ties to the DMV. That market has been very good to us for the past decade or so. We need to still have a presence there.rambone 78 wrote: ↑1 month ago How good are things now with KJ?
I would agree if he leaves and takes Hammond with him, but if he leaves and Ben stays, dont see it as a big loss.
What has Archie done to this point?
As far as I'm concerned, we're at or very near the bottom as a program right now.
It can't get much worse no matter what happens,really.
Billyboy, doesn't sound like the DMV has been good to us.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoWe've had some hits with Jeremy Sheppard, Stan Robinson, Antwan Walker, Ish Leggett and Jaden House. We've had questionable ones like the Mitchell twins and Brayon Freeman. We've had misses like Jermaine Harris, Mekhi Long, Abdou Samb, Connor Dubsky and Tyson Brown. And we had the most mysterious of all, Anthony Harris. That's a lots of players the past few years. Some good. Some bad. Some indifferent. One invisible.theblueram wrote: ↑1 month agoBesides JD, who came from the DMV?Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago
If Kenny does leave, we need to replace him with a coach with strong ties to the DMV. That market has been very good to us for the past decade or so. We need to still have a presence there.
Not good to us? Do you ever know what you’re talking about? (No)theblueram wrote: ↑1 month agoBillyboy, doesn't sound like the DMV has been good to us.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoWe've had some hits with Jeremy Sheppard, Stan Robinson, Antwan Walker, Ish Leggett and Jaden House. We've had questionable ones like the Mitchell twins and Brayon Freeman. We've had misses like Jermaine Harris, Mekhi Long, Abdou Samb, Connor Dubsky and Tyson Brown. And we had the most mysterious of all, Anthony Harris. That's a lots of players the past few years. Some good. Some bad. Some indifferent. One invisible.
Well, we've been pretty bad for a few years now, so no area has really been good to us lately. But with Jeff, Ish, Shep, Antwan, Stan and Jaden, it's easily been our best from Jeff Dowtin on.theblueram wrote: ↑1 month agoBillyboy, doesn't sound like the DMV has been good to us.Billyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoWe've had some hits with Jeremy Sheppard, Stan Robinson, Antwan Walker, Ish Leggett and Jaden House. We've had questionable ones like the Mitchell twins and Brayon Freeman. We've had misses like Jermaine Harris, Mekhi Long, Abdou Samb, Connor Dubsky and Tyson Brown. And we had the most mysterious of all, Anthony Harris. That's a lots of players the past few years. Some good. Some bad. Some indifferent. One invisible.
He was one of the better players on the team in Cox's last 2 years. Bad team. I think he would have been better on a good team. He was a pretty good player, IMO.
He was a better Robin to a Batman, his last year he really couldn’t be the team leaderBillyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month agoHe was one of the better players on the team in Cox's last 2 years. Bad team. I think he would have been better on a good team. He was a pretty good player, IMO.
In 21-22 he received a medical hardship waiver, only played 7 games (broke his foot).steviep123 wrote: ↑1 month agoHow does he have eligibility left? He's done 5 seasons, even with a covid year he should be done, no?
Hell yeah!BobfromMatunuck wrote: ↑1 month ago I ran into an old friend at gansett wraps earlier today. We couldn’t stop talking about next season when the rams have a facelift!! In the atlantic 10, were always just one offseason away
Was it Pat Riley? #oldkeaneybluereferencesBobfromMatunuck wrote: ↑1 month ago I ran into an old friend at gansett wraps earlier today. We couldn’t stop talking about next season when the rams have a facelift!! In the atlantic 10, were always just one offseason away
Seems kind of underwhelming, from his stat line - doesn't get to the line, shoots OK but not great, not a huge amount of assists or steals. Unless they see something on his scouting tape they like, he seems more like a depth piece than someone that starts on a good team.
I believe he unofficially visited URI during the 2019 URI/PC gameBillyboy78 wrote: ↑1 month ago We recruited Joseph out of high school. He's from Mass. and played for PSA in CT.
That would be perfect. He can go there, average 20 a game, and the team will win 10 games a year - but two of those will be against us when he goes off for 40 each time. It would be the absolutely perfect storm of frustration for us.
If so Blue Man can yell at him to "keep shooting"!SGreenwell wrote: ↑1 month agoThat would be perfect. He can go there, average 20 a game, and the team will win 10 games a year - but two of those will be against us when he goes off for 40 each time. It would be the absolutely perfect storm of frustration for us.
Who cares if he goes to Fordham?rambone 78 wrote: ↑1 month ago If he does it's just another great decision by Archie.
Can it get worse?
Sure as shit!