Re: 2020-21 Schedule (top post is current)
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:37 am
Also, the Big East is going to play some conference games in December, and seems to be prioritizing those games more than non-league games.
Cherry picking data is never an admirable or fact based approach to analysis. It talks from the gut rather than using rationality. In 2007-08, URI played UAB, BC, PC, and Syracuse which gave them the low SOS. This was sandwiched in between two better years - 2006-07, when the Rams played Houston, BC, DePaul, PC, Ohio, and Kansas and 2008-09 when the Rams played Duke, VCU, Penn State. Villanova, PC, Oklahoma State. My point is simple and confined to the narrow view of his OOC schedule. The prevailing opinion is that Baron played a lot of cupcakes and careful scrutiny does not bear that out. If you want to discuss others reasons Baron failed, fine, but that is a different argument than your cupcake accusation. Also I prefer not to bash a former coach who is long gone for nine seasons. Baron did not make the NCAA because his scheduling was weak, but because he failed in the A-10.Rhody72 wrote: ↑3 years agoBaron played a weak OOC schedule but also did poorly in the A10 especially later in the season. An example from one of Baron's better A10 season is 2007-2008 when the team finished 3rd in the A10 but had an SOS that ranked 10th in the A10. This type of scheduling doesn't get you an at-large invitation to dance.Obadiah wrote: ↑3 years ago ...
You are absolutely right Peter. I only referenced the OOC teams in response to R72's comments. The reason that Baron never made the NCAA is because even in his good overall record years, his A-10 record was less than dazzling - he never won more than 12 conference games in any year. He had losing conference records in 5 of his 11 year tenure.
If players have to quarantine for ten days - two weeks, then a couple extra days off between games isn’t going to help.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑3 years agoI think the problem is that people need to realize this is not a normal year.
The idea that a team can just "pop up/down" the road does not exist.
Teams will want more off-time between games in case there is a COVID-related issue to do adequate contact tracing/testing so games don't have to be postponed and/or played with multiple players in quarantine.
College Football can semi get away with that because there are 100+ kids on a roster and they have 7 days between every game. In basketball you have max 13 kids and 7-8 key rotation pieces, not to forget that the stars will always be the stars.
All teams are going to have tournament commitments they want to play, and then whatever box they decide with conference play. The conference is also going to prioritize trying to make potential challenges work(Big 12/Big Ten), as those are conference events.
It leaves a very small window to try to accomplish other OOC games, especially if both teams already have other commitments. Right off the bat the HOF is Nov 28-29 and Maui is Nov 30 - Dec 2nd. Between travel and such, already cutting into potential dates.
There aren't going to be situations this year where teams play 3 games in 5-6 days.
That was never going to happen though. Challenge games are organized through the conference, so the conference isn't just going to be cool with teams deciding to vacate challenge games to pursue their own games.
KMac is wrong and clueless. There is no way URI is going to play 9 OOC games.
rj, I appreciate all your insight and basketball knowledge. However, you are bias as it relates to the cancellation. My source tells me PC drove this. It also makes sense. The P5 & BE are trying to reduce their games against non-P5 schools. I would use the expansion to 20 league games and all the Challenge Series between other P5s/BE as proof. Cooley doesn’t want a home game vs URI without fans. Cooley doesn’t even see it as a rivalry game. The podcast Cox was on last week he said they were waiting on the P5/BE schools to hear if the games would be scheduled. Do you really think Cox wouldn’t move the game vs BC to next year to play PC this year. So far PC is the only P5/BE school to cancel on URI. Coincidence I think not.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑3 years agoThat was never going to happen though. Challenge games are organized through the conference, so the conference isn't just going to be cool with teams deciding to vacate challenge games to pursue their own games.
Also, it takes two teams to tango. The report was that the programs could not find a common date to play, not that one school cancelled over the other. Yes, I believe that PC/Big East is more restricted because of their desire to play 4 conference games in December + trying to squeeze in Big 12 Games and still trying to make the Gavitt Games work, in addition to both teams current tournament schedule. Also, URI has pre-scheduled games as well.
Trying to mix and match could not happen. It's disappointing to us all. I was looking forward to watching Nate Watson post Makhi Mitchell from the Dunk to the turf farms.
I was neither cherry-picking nor giving incorrect data. My source is ESPN and the link is below.Obadiah wrote: ↑3 years ago
Cherry picking data is never an admirable or fact based approach to analysis. It talks from the gut rather than using rationality. In 2007-08, URI played UAB, BC, PC, and Syracuse which gave them the low SOS. This was sandwiched in between two better years - 2006-07, when the Rams played Houston, BC, DePaul, PC, Ohio, and Kansas and 2008-09 when the Rams played Duke, VCU, Penn State. Villanova, PC, Oklahoma State. My point is simple and confined to the narrow view of his OOC schedule. The prevailing opinion is that Baron played a lot of cupcakes and careful scrutiny does not bear that out. If you want to discuss others reasons Baron failed, fine, but that is a different argument than your cupcake accusation. Also I prefer not to bash a former coach who is long gone for nine seasons. Baron did not make the NCAA because his scheduling was weak, but because he failed in the A-10.
P. S. Your comments the Rams finished 3rd in the 2007-08 A-10 is faulty because that season URI had an A-10 record of 7-9 which gave them 11th place!
UCF has withdrawn from this Tournament. They will play in a Tournament closer to home, likely Orlando - TBARhody83 wrote: ↑3 years agoKMac is wrong and clueless. There is no way URI is going to play 9 OOC games.
They wouldn’t have the time from Nov 28th (first game) and the last week of December (when A10 play starts).
He can’t figure out they were scheduled to play 5 games before Nov 25th. He has them squeezing in all but 2 of those games.
I agree with this take. I also believe Cox would have reached out to BC to move that game to next year if this was the only date where the URI - PC could be played.Rhody83 wrote: ↑3 years agorj, I appreciate all your insight and basketball knowledge. However, you are bias as it relates to the cancellation. My source tells me PC drove this. It also makes sense. The P5 & BE are trying to reduce their games against non-P5 schools. I would use the expansion to 20 league games and all the Challenge Series between other P5s/BE as proof. Cooley doesn’t want a home game vs URI without fans. Cooley doesn’t even see it as a rivalry game. The podcast Cox was on last week he said they were waiting on the P5/BE schools to hear if the games would be scheduled. Do you really think Cox wouldn’t move the game vs BC to next year to play PC this year. So far PC is the only P5/BE school to cancel on URI. Coincidence I think not.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑3 years agoThat was never going to happen though. Challenge games are organized through the conference, so the conference isn't just going to be cool with teams deciding to vacate challenge games to pursue their own games.
Also, it takes two teams to tango. The report was that the programs could not find a common date to play, not that one school cancelled over the other. Yes, I believe that PC/Big East is more restricted because of their desire to play 4 conference games in December + trying to squeeze in Big 12 Games and still trying to make the Gavitt Games work, in addition to both teams current tournament schedule. Also, URI has pre-scheduled games as well.
Trying to mix and match could not happen. It's disappointing to us all. I was looking forward to watching Nate Watson post Makhi Mitchell from the Dunk to the turf farms.
My first thought when I saw this announcement is that it’s going to be difficult to find a P5 or AAC school to fill the slot and obviously no Mountain West, WAC or Big West school will travel this far. I figured the spot will have to be filled by a school from a lesser conference on the East Coast. The next thought that occurred to me was why not ask Iona. You at least get the Pitino factor.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoUCF has withdrawn from this Tournament. They will play in a Tournament closer to home, likely Orlando - TBARhody83 wrote: ↑3 years agoKMac is wrong and clueless. There is no way URI is going to play 9 OOC games.
They wouldn’t have the time from Nov 28th (first game) and the last week of December (when A10 play starts).
He can’t figure out they were scheduled to play 5 games before Nov 25th. He has them squeezing in all but 2 of those games.
St Johns just withdrew from the Preseason NIT in Orlando. Could be the likely landing spot for Orlando based UCF. Maybe St Johns is eying the Mohegan Sun since no flights are required. I’d expect the Mohegan Sun UCF opening to be quickly filled.JimSidd wrote: ↑3 years agoMy first thought when I saw this announcement is that it’s going to be difficult to find a P5 or AAC school to fill the slot and obviously no Mountain West, WAC or Big West school will travel this far. I figured the spot will have to be filled by a school from a lesser conference on the East Coast. The next thought that occurred to me was why not ask Iona. You at least get the Pitino factor.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoUCF has withdrawn from this Tournament. They will play in a Tournament closer to home, likely Orlando - TBARhody83 wrote: ↑3 years ago
KMac is wrong and clueless. There is no way URI is going to play 9 OOC games.
They wouldn’t have the time from Nov 28th (first game) and the last week of December (when A10 play starts).
He can’t figure out they were scheduled to play 5 games before Nov 25th. He has them squeezing in all but 2 of those games.
I just checked their current schedule on their website. I don’t know the last time it was updated, but right now, it lists no OOC games: just 20 conference games between December 8 and March 5, with an 11 or 12 day break around the holiday.
I absolutely agree that PC drove this. As I've stated elsewhere, it makes sense. In prior years, OOC is 7-8 weeks. This year it's 3-4 weeks. In there for many teams is a tournament that takes approximately a week between games and quaranting back and forth, and PC is also locked into conference challenge games that may or may not happen. So right there between scheduled games, potential quarantine and additional time off between games, the windows for PC are small to non-existent.Rhody83 wrote: ↑3 years agorj, I appreciate all your insight and basketball knowledge. However, you are bias as it relates to the cancellation. My source tells me PC drove this. It also makes sense. The P5 & BE are trying to reduce their games against non-P5 schools. I would use the expansion to 20 league games and all the Challenge Series between other P5s/BE as proof. Cooley doesn’t want a home game vs URI without fans. Cooley doesn’t even see it as a rivalry game. The podcast Cox was on last week he said they were waiting on the P5/BE schools to hear if the games would be scheduled. Do you really think Cox wouldn’t move the game vs BC to next year to play PC this year. So far PC is the only P5/BE school to cancel on URI. Coincidence I think not.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑3 years agoThat was never going to happen though. Challenge games are organized through the conference, so the conference isn't just going to be cool with teams deciding to vacate challenge games to pursue their own games.
Also, it takes two teams to tango. The report was that the programs could not find a common date to play, not that one school cancelled over the other. Yes, I believe that PC/Big East is more restricted because of their desire to play 4 conference games in December + trying to squeeze in Big 12 Games and still trying to make the Gavitt Games work, in addition to both teams current tournament schedule. Also, URI has pre-scheduled games as well.
Trying to mix and match could not happen. It's disappointing to us all. I was looking forward to watching Nate Watson post Makhi Mitchell from the Dunk to the turf farms.
Good thought, and you may be right. However, another reason that St John’s backed out of Orlando may be because of a decrease in OOC games because of the later start, plus BE driven challenge games, as has been mentioned more generally in this thread by others. Also, would they enter an event that already has a BE team? I realize the usual schedule rules don’t apply this year. No schedule listed on their website yet. Whoever the replacement, I believe it will be a school in the Northeast or Mid Atlantic.ramster wrote: ↑3 years agoSt Johns just withdrew from the Preseason NIT in Orlando. Could be the likely landing spot for Orlando based UCF. Maybe St Johns is eying the Mohegan Sun since no flights are required. I’d expect the Mohegan Sun UCF opening to be quickly filled.JimSidd wrote: ↑3 years agoMy first thought when I saw this announcement is that it’s going to be difficult to find a P5 or AAC school to fill the slot and obviously no Mountain West, WAC or Big West school will travel this far. I figured the spot will have to be filled by a school from a lesser conference on the East Coast. The next thought that occurred to me was why not ask Iona. You at least get the Pitino factor.
I just checked their current schedule on their website. I don’t know the last time it was updated, but right now, it lists no OOC games: just 20 conference games between December 8 and March 5, with an 11 or 12 day break around the holiday.
Correct. I think this could be an additional MTE Tournament in development Stage to accommodate teams from the region that want to limit travel - teams do not want to fly.
The priority is to find a team to fill UCF’s spot so URI can play Marquette and hopefully Minnesota.
For the UCF Spot yes, but I think UMASS will be in another MTE. Look for Mohegan to host a bunch of games.Rhody83 wrote: ↑3 years agoThe priority is to find a team to fill UCF’s spot so URI can play Marquette and hopefully Minnesota.
UMASS and St Bonaventure now have announced playing at the Mohegan Sun. Syracuse is considering Mohegan Sun in MTE’s TBA.rjsuperfly66 wrote: ↑3 years ago
Just an FYI - Last night Jeff Goodman shared the following tweet: "Siena coach Carmen Maciariello confirms to me the Saints won’t play in Orlando event due to NY state policy that they would have to quarantine for 14 days upon returning from Florida." This is true of NY, not sure where NJ falls on this rule although assume they are in lockstep on many of these things.
Adam Zagoria later followed it up with an article:
“It would be very risky for us to put it on our schedule – and then have to sit out two weeks after, which is why we are exploring all options including studying that event and others,” St. John’s AD Mike Cragg said.
On June 25, Governor Andrew Cuomo issued Executive Order 205, requiring all travelers to quarantine for a 14-day period after traveling for 24 hours or longer within designated states that have significant rates of transmission of COVID-19.
Due to this rule, Siena won’t play in the Orlando Invitational which also features Xavier, Boise State, Gonzaga, Michigan State, Saint Louis, Belmont and Auburn. (Nebraska and Dayton have also opted out of events in Orlando, while Pittsburgh is considering pulling out too, a source confirmed.)
“No, [we] would have to quarantine upon return to NY for 14 days,” Siena coach Carmen Maciariello said by text.
Syracuse was not slated to play any events in Orlando, but head coach Jim Boeheim said his team would play mostly “local non-conference games” due to COVID. Boeheim said the Gotham Classic game with LSU originally slated for Dec. 19 at Madison Square Garden was “probably not going to work.” That event also gave Syracuse three home games with Mercer, Jacksonville State and Green Bay.
They are hoping to possibly host an MTE at Syracuse or play one at the Mohegan Sun in Connecticut, which will host several events.
The Syracuse football team was able to travel earlier this month to North Carolina, a hot spot state, as well as Pennsylvania because they weren’t in those states for 24 hours. The time period is measured from touchdown to takeoff.
Most teams are waiting for their leagues to announce official scheduling plans before settling on their non-conference. The Big East and ACC have yet to announce scheduling plans, but are expected to begin in mid-December.
https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/09/29/st- ... nce-events
Looks like VaTech is part of the HOF tourney that we're in now!
Temple & Va Tech are the replacements for UCF and Marquette.
Do you think Brown fans are pissed and think we're dodging them?RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 years ago I have now taken Brown off of the schedule due to the following press release:
https://gorhody.com/news/2020/9/28/mens ... -rams.aspx
According to the press release we will be adding at least two more out of conference games besides the five that have dates already
Looks like the Ivy cancelled we didn't....I'd frame it that both Brown and Pee Cee are "ducking" us now!NYGFan_Section208 wrote: ↑3 years agoDo you think Brown fans are pissed and think we're dodging them?RhowdyRam02 wrote: ↑3 years ago I have now taken Brown off of the schedule due to the following press release:
https://gorhody.com/news/2020/9/28/mens ... -rams.aspx
According to the press release we will be adding at least two more out of conference games besides the five that have dates already